This New Livestreaming Platform Might Be a Scam
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Lug really using the journalism degree for good
finally one on the board for journalism 👏👏👏
@Checkmark bro’s name is literally checkmark don’t think that’s how it works lmao
@Checkmark what’s up checkmark
@RandomCan mog moment
@RandomCan mog pog
See this is why Mogul Mail is so much better than Ludwig, a strong sense of responsibility and truth.
This is a very funny and original comment. Thank you.
True
@here is the full clip you're useless
@Checkmark you're useless
@@lj6284 dont lie, you downloaded it and put it as your background on your pc
5:59 love how lud just fully ignored the chat right there 😭😭😭
How did the mods miss that happy seal of approval? 🤣
Who is Lud? This is mogul mail.
@@Arsonaught so true
forsen
I saw that and ran straight to the comments lol
The whole purpose of Kick is to provide a platform where slots can be streamed to funnel more people on to the stake website so they gamble themselves, that‘s it.
No the whole point is twitch is a shit company who only cares about their white streamers who follow they’re every rule. Twitch is so ass backwards with their punishments and rules it makes 0 sense for anyone who’s no a puppet to stay there. Kick has no TOS, meaning you can’t be banned for anything (just like it should be) meanwhile on twitch you get a perma ban for saying the wrong thing but they give a 7 day to a girl getting fucked on stream
Also a HUGE RED FLAG is that there is no privacy policy shown anywhere on the website. When it asks you to accept cookies it says you have to accept their usage of cookies and privacy policy BUT it does not let you actually read them. I would not make an account before this is fixed.
edit. typo
That's just obviously in violation of the GDPR
I was able to decline might just be eu frog
@@tomaslane6018 Yeah you can press decline but it does nothing as the message says continuing to use to site means you have accepted whether or not you press the agree button. The problem is more so the fact that the terms you're agreeing to by using the site are not shown anywhere.
lol, if they want to stay operational in Europe, they better add this asap
Another red flag is that I can't seem to find a way to delete my account. I unfortunately made one just to secure a username but now I don't really care about having it at all.
6:03 - don't think ludwig noticed the picture of a among-us with a massive hog post by someone with a slur in their name.
Wow that is a massive hog. Good for that sussy lil baka.
@@wamwamwamit's almost like he had to update this video real time as new info came out and rushed 🙀
@@recitationtohear 早安，中国。 我非常喜欢冰淇淋。
@@zer0synd1cate Binge chilling
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"Seems to be working alright for a day one soft-launch....people are succeeding" the timing on this at 05:55 is just too funny
Ludwig really going to the edge for not censoring at 6:00 lmao
Hate when people say that gambling streams "don't encourage gambling." Why else would these companies be going through so much effort and pouring so much money into sponsorships and projects like this? Twitch made the right move.
True but let's not pretend that twitch actually cares about people getting addicted to gambling. The only reason they banned it was because of all the outrage.
@@nighthawk2548 sure. charity for the wrong reasons is still charity tho.
Gambling streams actually stopped me gambling cold turkey starting about 2+ years ago. I'm completely on board with this.
@@brandonhyde6985 I'm happy for you, but if gambling steams had a net reduction on the number of people who gamble, then these companies wouldn't sponsor them. Heck, they would probably forbid streaming if it actually decreased the number of "customers".
@@Hotshot2k4 Yeah, I can't imagine them paying 6/7-figure sponsorships to streamers if it isn't generating at *least* double that in revenues for them, and they track every last cent that each creator earns for them.
When i saw the first video i really doubted how Kick would be the so called "twitch killer" when it's most likely made by people just so they can stream gambling without getting into hotwaters.
Probably more than gambling too...
They'll still be in hotwaters 🤣 Probably now worse than ever.
I doubt it when I saw the wild claims being made such as "fair moderation" and 95-100% of revenue to creators. The last point is particularly unviable. Streaming is a high-bandwidth service and hence costs a fair bit of money. It would have to be run at a loss just to promote Stake. And if the platform was to get too popular it would no longer be profitable and then they'd increase their share of revenue. And when it comes to moderation, a gambling-sponsored platform would almost certainly have a skewed sense of moderation. (ex. competitor companies)
@@MsHojat it's interesting where are most of these streamers streaming since online gambling in almost universally banned in the United States except for sports betting
They can now willingly be in hotwaters
Hot tub Meta is returning
I’m confused on how this makes the website a “scam”.. If they pay out the split they promote who gives a fuck if it’s owned/sponsored by a gambling site? People are just ass hurt about gambling and calling it a scam is beyond disingenuous
Hey Lud, any chance you could do a Mogul Mail on the Yogscast Jingle Jam? It's a charity event that happens every year where several game developers put a game of theirs into a collection which can be purchased for £35 (this years collection contains more games than ever and would cost over £1000 if you were to buy the games individually). That £35 goes to a number of really great charities. They're currently live on Twitch and have already raised around £2.4 million. If it's given some more publicity by yourself, not only will it help raise more money but allows a lot of LudBuds to get a lot of great games for a great price.
6:03 is the reason why the platform might not get as great success as it think it'll have
that's pretty much just normal twitch chat. I can think of like half a dozen chats that spam that every few minutes. It's an inevitability at this point.
@@albinofroggy the name
I ripped open the comments as soon as I saw that lmao
@@2013faiasl same lmao
yeah.. i wonder what youtubes policy is on it
What have we done to deserve three mogul mails in a day😧
1m special no cap
I only see one? 2 in the past 24 hours, but one of those was yesterday
@@calebtheholyman545 he took one down
@@calebtheholyman545 where I live, one of those was around 16 hours ago, he made one around like 5 hours ago but that was before kick got exposes so he took it down and made this one I didn't know he took it down before commenting
From the recent videos it would seem that we bought Nintendo games, mostly. Honestly a huge sin, we should be ashamed
This is what I appreciate about you Lud! Admitting when you're wrong isn't easy for one to do.
Love you Ludwig, always can count on quality videos.
Yeah when you see them saying 95/5 and 100% of donations then you know somethings wrong. There are transaction fees for even taking those donations and they would be losing money on every donation.
Exactly I mean there still are huge operating costs for stuff like this, like not just huge, massive, that‘s why YT and Twitch are just money holes
Twitch doesn't touch donations in any way. The 100% to streamer one is their equivelant of bits, which is basicly just like in-game currency you can shower streamers with.
@@MrEshah but bits are different prices on PC and mobile. And the amount you pay isn't the amount that's given to the streamer
@@PandasWeightloss Yes, the amount the viewer pays, in their own currency, isn't the amount given to the streamer. However the amount of bits they give is 100% given to the creator (100 bits = 1USD).
"This New Livestreaming Platform Might Kill Twitch"
"This New Livestreaming Platform Might Be a Scam"
The duality of man
The ability to change opinions when new facts are presented. Bless. I wish it was more common
Well it could be both.
A scam to clone twitch but with gambling enabled, which could kill Twitch because it basically is a clone of Twitch but with gambling enabled.
Bro can I fap on stream? Yes then it is not an scam
Mogul mail, love the content recently. Just noticed in this video that you left the twit longer website up for a long time. That kind of writing on phones it tiny and a zoomed in version that you scroll through might be easier to read and more engaging. Thanks for the content, all the best
Lud is there a way you can turn up the mic volume on the video? I realize whenever I click on your videos I have to almost double my volume on my device
going into anyones chat on kick is actually horrific.
It's really not though.
@@DieTryingKI’ll always trust the opinions of someone whose username looks like a mass produced robot serial code.
@@Saltience it's just like that because youtube changed how the names work. that's why there's also an "@" in front of everyone's names now.
not really? all the big streamers are fine and those are like all of them.
why?
Mogul Mail: This site is a scam
Ludwig: I’d like to invest $50,000!
Only if it has a good spongebob
lud might get scammed if he doesn't watch this Mogul Mail episode...
Thank you for being so upfront about this.
Train seriously needs some professional help. His dopamine receptors are probably so fucked up from gambling millions and millions of dollars away that he can't find any joy in life anymore if it doesn't involve high stakes gambling. I've watched a couple of his streams before just out of curiosity and man its absolutely mind-numbing how he just sits there spinning slots for hours on end.
Who
@@izanalatreon Train
Wow. A streaming platform supposedly created by and championed by a streamer that lost his gambling stream is actually paid for by the gambling company that can no longer be streamed? I did not see that coming.
Color me suprised
oi matey looks like we gotta prob em here
Gambling addicts fr
Trainwreckstv posted a lot of times on twitter saying about the platform. There´s no surprise at all. only for those who wants to record a video about him.
If it’s truly a scam that Ludwig guy better watch out before he’s -$50,000 again
@griffy ye forgot the /j
After the youtube deal. I doubt money will be an issue for a long time
Aged like a fine glass of milk
i love how you can time stamp the filming of each mogul mail by the trending tab on twitter
Anyone who thinks Train is doing this out of the kindness of his heart, and not just to degenerately gamble all day, is willfully ignorant
anyone who thinks ludwig isnt just doing this to shit on a twitch competitor because he gets paid by twitch is willfully ignorant
@@humboldtdoomer866 You think Ludwig, the CZcams streamer, is getting paid by Twitch?
I'm sure a large part are just unknowingly clueless and naïve, which just emphasizes the scamminess of Train
He's mentioned this multiple times Kick is not his site and it's just a place he's streaming on.
@@christianflora2316 lmao they deleted the comment
Based on the chat @ 6:00 it looks like they've got a ways to go on moderation and usernames
5:59 down right corner lmao
the tag (tag)kick in the description got into a group of (tag)kick for the song kickback of kenshi yonezu
Don't understand how anyone close to train has reached out to help him out, he's clearly insanely addicted, so badly that he platforming a scam crypto company (aka the shack) just because he's getting that bag. I have nothing ill against him but this won't be good for his own mental health or physical, who knows what could happen to him. Money just rots people brains.
Edit: he clearly was right about the twitch critizism, twitch steals so much from creators but I don't think he's supporting kick because of the unfair splits, he's going because he can gamble and get paid to do it.
right, he also keeps villainizing people like poki, hasan and also ludwig who openly supported banning gambling and thinks they're "against him"
He doesn't want help. Can't help someone who doesn't want to help themselves.
@heart been broke so many times his criticism is that twitch only banned certain sites, while also getting a huge sponsorship for sports betting. This was in response to Sliker scamming people for sports betting money, and not slots.
maybe you should stop being so parasocial and worrying about a multi-millionare who wouldnt give a shit if you passed away? maybe thatsss a good idea, if he is making money FROM his addiction he has LITERALLY no reason to stop. gambling is what is putting food on his table, the only reason gambling is bad is because it ruins people financial lives, this is not the case for train. what is even your thought process behind this?? your acting like its a drug addiction
@@dcp0102 gambling is one of the most common addictions, and an incredibly dangerous one at that; it's extremely similar to a drug addiction. and gambling is in no way putting food on his table, promoting it is (and is taking much, much more in the process). maybe you should sort out your thought process man :/
If Kick is able to get streamers that stream… anything that isn’t gambling, it might have a shot of becoming a competitor, but otherwise it gets cancelled in a few years tops. If they do succeed, it’s a bit like how casinos host shows like Cirque de Soleil to get people into their casinos
If Kick gets popular for anything else than Gambling they will go bankrupt in less than a year
@@Kaygu_ Nah, not really. They can run pre roll gambling ads on normal streams and easily recover any big cost. There are enough vulnerable people in normal streams too.
The kick to casino comparison is solid. Good thought
@@migueltucabron Good point, I was struggling to see how they would attract advertisers, but if they just flood all streams with gambling ads and offer gambling partnerships to all streamers it could work for them. This platform could be really dangerous if it gains traction. I hope it dies out
there should be a feature where you can sit and specifically watch ads to get some form of currency used in streams. viewer/company split where the viewers earned amount can be used for donations, emotes etc. idk my uneducated thoughts
6 months later... what's your take on it now with some of the new policies from twitch?
Yeah I came back here to see what he said and he was soo wrong 😂
Good call quickly fixing your stance on this. Kick is way too sketchy right now on multiple levels.
Lud, the quarterly report for 2022 is for the second quarter, which was a lil bit earlier before the 50/50 split, some of the biggest transfers and the drama explosion in October; the market split might be kinda different now
what that chart proves is that if more people streamed on YT it would completely dominate... 8 mil hr streams and 1.1 bil watched while twitch had 222.9 mil hrs streamed and 5 bil watched which means that if YT had streamed 222 mil hrs they would have 30.5 bil hrs watched based on my napkin math, twitch is only still ahead because so many people streams for hrs on there while most YT streams end after a few hrs
6:02 NOT THE AMONGUS
6:01 don’t look at chat
Biggest day for Mogul Mail in history
6:03 completely missed that LOL
I feel like Bally Sports was the precedent for this in the States - where the Sports Betting company just owns the platform as a loss-leading ad for its main gambling business. I had wondered if Stake would see sufficient value in developing an equivalent for its gambling products.
Love this Mogul Mail guy, he's always so trendy and informative
mogul mail is like seeing the fun wacky uncle at work doing a job he loves, serious, professional, and with integrity. love your content Lud!
5:58 NICE CHAT. XD
What is that on the left at 6:00
That’s was quick
Yeah, glad I saw the other one
@@williamwishnia5196 yea I didn’t see it :,(
6:02 that is marvellous
Thank you for updating the video including the Stake ownership part.
i’m glad that they did this at least it creates more opportunities for smaller streamers and it’s really hard to grow on twitch nowadays tbh regardless what you do
I agree
meh competition is good but if the whole userbase is losing their money gambling online i'm not sure if it'll be profitable to stream on
6:04 look at the chat lol
Train seems like the last guy I want as my boss.
I saw it go up, wondered "hmm, saw all that stuff about Stake, I'll watch it later when he releases a new video with the new info". Aaaaand now we're here. RIP watching it.
I always wonder why twitch ads just banners that scroll across the top or bottom of the screen. No audio ads would be fine since it wouldnt inturupt the stream
6:02 chat had me dead
knew there had to be a catch with that 0-5% cut of bits/subs, no way that could've been sustainable lol. thanks for the correction
Idk how lud looked at that and didn't think anything was up the first video. You don't need to know that the website is owned by a gambling site to smell something fishy
@@magica3526 yeah there's no shot a streaming service can survive on that low of a cut, especially not with rules as lax as theirs (presumably not very appealing to advertisers). i figured it was just train dumping his sponsorship money into it but it being owned directly by stake makes a lot of sense
5:58 i actually started laughing and almost pissed off my dad lmfaoooooooooo
I think it will be incredibly expensive to run a streaming website (that offers high res, high frame rate streaming) without the umbrella of having a parent company that provides web services or has data centers located around the world. Amazon, Google, Facebook and Microsoft all are able/were able to give their streaming division huge computation discounts.
5:58 - that chat spam is the embodiment of Kick
So fucking funny
Reminds me of the early twitch days FeelsStrongMan.
Among Us crewmate with the sloppy
Don't forget that guy's name I know some people didn't notice it. It's 2022 how is that word not auto banned 😂
@@ZayoFPS naggers?
6:00 Are we gonna not talk about that thing??
5:59
Oh dear look at chat
love that imagery at 6:03
At 5:58 we just going ignore that lol
i was so confused when the first vid got taken down lmao
Lol it got taken down when I was like 80% through it. I had to keep pressing play so it would go an extra 2s before erroring out over and over again until it finished
Love the details, like how Lud had the code checked. Thanks for doing some proper due diligence.
5:58 LOOK AT THE CHAT LMFAO
5:56 the chat o.o uhhh
6:02 was my favorite part of this video 😁
Tabbing this because I JUST seen you have an account on kick 😂😂😂
Honestly a smart idea on Trains end. The site makes less and rewards the creator more making it a more attractive site for creators. Essentially his goal in mind from what I’m getting is to make up the revenue lost in volume (people on the website)
Did Lud not notice the "very detailed" text art in chat at 6:01 or am I seeing something.... 😭
He also missed that guy's username
Forsen loves what?!
6:00 very nice bird 😍
I was open to the idea of the Kick website, but with how the Stake information came out and wasn't put up front wasn't very appealing to me. I'm going to wait on it now to see how it plays out, but since my content revolves around Pokémon and Nintendo, I'm not sure if I can build an audience there since the people who may be drawn in are probably primarily gambling users.
5:58 lol
this is why I love Ludwig - while other streamers would cash grab and take the money he took down and apologised : bravo❤🤝
Crazy how quick you made this
5:40 commented this on the last video too but how else would you do a website for a live streaming website? Most popular streams right at the top. Makes sense. Promote the highest current people. Streams on the left that you follow to keep them accessible and then categories of most popular stuff listed highest to lowest. You really can’t change it a lot to be any better
5:59 the chat lmfaoo
Two words to help explain the live streaming market share; Twitch Drops.
I sense a lawsuit incoming....
5:47 caught me wayyy off guard lmfao
Lol the chat box at 6 minutes. 6:00
6:00 nahh 💀💀
6:01 is very intresting
morning mogul mail lighting hits different
5:55 most replayed LMAO
Just a heads up Lud you may wanna add some blur to the video at 6:03 considering you see an Among Us crewmate with some giant meat in that chat by someone with a racial slur in their name
Okay I wasn’t the only one who noticed I’ve been scrolling through the comments to see if I was the only one who took note of that but glad I’m not.
Why it's funny cmon
@@coolwolf5425 I mean the dudes name is the N word with a R so I thought CZcams might not want that or lud might not but it’s all cool as long as he’s not gonna get in trouble later over it.
@@albino5301 it's not technically
Lud… look at the chat at around 5:55
6:03 HANDSUP
5:59 the name and the chat lol
If people are as addicted to gambling content as they seem to be, kick might just have a future... It'll be interesting to see where this goes.
aged like fine wine..
As soon as I saw the twitter I just had a feeling it was about him doing gambling streams but it just get's deeper then that. Was actually hoping for another option too.
in actual tears crying at the chat in 6:01
You know how good this video actually is when rewatching it still feels super great and entertaining.
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05:58 nice
I think although it's a stake owned website and it was kinda sketchy, if they go down it well and advertise it well then it'll be good as a gateway platform, HOWEVER I do also think if they only advertise to gambling streamers then it won't be as profitable for them
If they try to be open and accept pretty much everyone then hopefully they run it like the platform should be and not as a means to allow gambling streams
I'll see where it goes but I can't lie, I am absolutley interested (not in gambling) in starting on there. If it does it all well I'll defo go over and hope that it isn't dead by the end of next year tbh
5:59 💀