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ആദ്യം കേസ് കൊടുക്കാൻ പോയപ്പോൾ ഇതൊന്നും ഓർത്തില്ലേ
ആദ്യമായി നമ്മുടെ ഭാരതത്തിൻ്റെ പരമോന്നത കോടതിയായ സുപ്രിം കോടതി വിധി (അപ്പിലി ല്ല) അംഗീകരിച്ച് സമാന്തര ഭരണം നിർത്തണം. മേലിൽ എന്തെങ്കിലും അഭിപ്രായവ്യത്യാസ മുണ്ടെങ്കിൽ ഒരു മേശക്കു ചുറ്റും ഇരുന്ന് ചർച്ച ചെയ്ത് പരിഹരിക്കാം. വേണമെങ്കിൽ നിയമപരമായി 1934 ഭരണഘടനയിൽ മാറ്റം വരുത്തി 'പ്രശ്നം പരിഹരിക്കാം. നിങ്ങളുടെ 'പ്രശ്നം നിങ്ങൾ പരിഹരിക്കു 1934 ലെ ഭരണഘടന പ്രകാരം. അതിനർത്ഥം നിങ്ങൾ മേലിൽ കോടതി കയറരുത്. അത് നിങ്ങളുടെ ശേഷ്ഠമായ മതത്തിന് അപമാനമാണന്നാണ് കോടതി പറഞ്ഞിരിക്കുന്നത്.
ഞാൻ ഓർത്തഡോൿസ്‌ ഇടവകയിൽ ആണ്,
ഇ വിധിയെ ഓർത്ത് ദുഃഖം ഉണ്ട്
You don't have the right to say -Patriarca is not necessary to approve - in any context .
ഉള്ള നിയമം അനുസരിക്കുന്നില്ല പിന്നെ എന്തിനു പുതിയ ഒരു നിയമം
ഇന്ത്യാ രാജ്യത്തിൻ്റെപരമോന്നത കോടതിയായ സുപ്രിം കോടതി വിധിച്ച വിധി രാജ്യത്തിൻ്റെ നിയമം ആണ്. ഈ വിധിക്കെതിരെ അപ്പീൽ ഇല്ല. കാരണം, സുപ്രിം സുപ്രീം കൊടതിക്കു മുകളിൽ കോടതിയില്ല. പകരം ഈ വിധിയിൽ എന്തെങ്കിലും തെറ്റുപറ്റിയിട്ടുണ്ടങ്കിൽ രുത് തിരുത്തി കിട്ടണം അതിനു അപേക്ഷ കൊടുത്തു. പരിശോധിച്ചു. തെറ്റ് പറ്റിയിട്ടില്ല എന്നു ഉറപ്പുവരുത്തി. പിശക് ഒന്നും സംഭവിച്ചിട്ടില്ല എന്നുറപ്പു വരുത്തി കഴിഞ്ഞു. പിന്നീട് ഹർജിയുമായി സുപ്രിം കോടതിയിൽ ചെന്നപ്പോൾ സുപ്രിം കോടതി 25,000 രൂപ പിഴയടച്ചു കോടതിയുടെ സമയം പാഴായി കളഞതിന്. ഇനിയും കോടതി മുഖേന പരിഹാരം ഇല്ല. പിന്നെന്തു പരിഹാരം? നിയമ നിർമാണം എങ്ങനെ Gort. നടത്തും ? സുപ്രീം കൊടതി വിധി എതിരായാൽ എങ്ങനെ ഒരു ജനാധിപത്യ സർക്കാർ കോടതി വിധി അസാധു ആക്കും നിയമ പരമായി? ജയിച്ച കക്ഷികൾ അവിടെ മിണ്ടാതിരിക്കുമോ?.
Tirumeni, answers are there in the Supreme Court order of 2017.Tirumeni do not be.in hurry.Read the order patiently. Then you will understand the order.What Supreme Court order says Tirumeni, you can believe in Supremecy of Patriarch. But Patriarch could not appoint or Cnsercate priests, metran,or Pralxate.Then what is the use?
Tirumeni, onething you say that You accept Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha 1934 Constitution?Yes or No.If the answer is No then do not talk more.No use.
Supreme Court Committed any Error in it's Judgment there is a provision in the law that is Curative petition.That you have already done. You got reply from the Supreme Court that every thing is O.K.Then what to do.?
Tirumeni is worried about Government is spending lot of money in giving police protection. Tirumeni you don't prevent the Orthodox Sabha members who come with Supreme Court order.Then POLICE protection is not required. Who will prevent a person who come with Court order. How Orthodox Suriyani Sabha members could enter Mulanturuthy Church?Gregorios Tirumeni himself was not Coming out from the Church. Tirumeni was telling to police by using force you take me out. Then SP put his hand on the shoulder of Tirumeni. Then Tirumeni like an obedient Boy moved out along with S.P😂Everybody witnessed the scene 😂POLICE lifted Osthathios Tirumeni.
This can only be done by police. That is why Government is spending money to diploy POLICE .😂
സുറിയാനി ഓർത്തഡോക്സ് സഭ..... അതു പറഞ്ഞത് ശരിയാണ്
Sreshta Bawa live long.Give him life for 1000 years.
Tirumeni, what the Supreme Court judgment order says?The Supreme Court order says that there is only one sabha that is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha and governed by 1934 Constitution of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha. That is all.The name of Jakobaya sabha is not mentioned in the order because 1934 Constitution is for the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha.
When there is a property disputes between two persons and mediation failed they approached Court of Law.Then both should accept the court verdict. But Tirumeni and group not accepting the verdict. Instead of that Tirumeni is telling that Government Change the law and enact a new Law. O that they can escape from the Court verdict.
നിയമനിർമാണം കോടതി തള്ളിക്കളഞ്ഞൽ അടുത്ത യാക്കോബായ വിഭാഗത്തിൻ്റെ നടപടി എന്തായിരിക്കും
ഞങ്ങൾ കൂട്ടത്തോടെ അണ്ടിയോക്കയിലേക്ക് പായ്ക്ക് ചെയ്യും!!!
Tirumeni, It is very difficult for you to run this Sabha if Orthodox sabha go strictly as per 2017 Order.
If you are the owner of the church ,then how Supreme court can take this decision?horrible. Then What for the Bill.?
Tirumeni, put pressure on Pinarai Vijayan to Pass Malankara Church Bill immediately. Other wise one by one all the churches will go back to Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. Where is K.T.Thomas ?Where he has gone?7years had gone.
Tirumeni, from Manarcadu St.Marys Church one family has joined in Indian Pentacotal Sabha in Manarcadu. Tirumeni please tell can he take a candle stand from Manarcadu St.Marys Church while leaving?
Nothing you do for the common people but everything is under the rule of the rulers
Orthodox Suriyani Sabha is accepting Patriarch is the head of Suriyani Orthodox Sabha of Antioch. The appeal of Patriarch was dismissed by Arun Misra Bench.Verdict is over. Then the Bench gave an advice that in future any dispute in the Sabha.errupts you do not come to Court but you talk yourself and allay the differences if reqired ammend the 1934 Constitution as per law.This is after implementing the Supreme Court order. Very Simple. Don't mislead the Sabha Makkal. Don't allow the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha to Split..❤❤❤WE are respecting Patriarch Bawa. We are remembering in our prayers Aprem Bawa.
How you became the Custodian of Piravam Church, Mulanturuthy Church, Manarcadu Church. ?The 5th Catholcose of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha Basalios Marthoma Mathews First was a member of St.Marys Church Manarcadu. His Holiness Father,Father Mathews was the Vicar of Manarcadu St.Marys Church. Fr.Mathews was buried in the Cemetry of Manarcadu St.Marys Church. Then Tirumeni how you can say that Manarcadu St.Marys Church belong Solely to you.?Like wise Trikkunnathu Seminary Chappell and Seminary and Khabar of Your Malankara
Metropolitan Athanasius is in the Seminary Chappell. PILIPPOSE MOR THEOPHILOSE TIRUMENI THE ANGAMALI DIOSCESE METROPOLITAN OF ORTHODOX SURIYANI SABHA WAS BURIED IN THE ANGAMALY SEMINARY CHAPPELL BY THE SIDE OF THE KHARAR OF ATHANASIUS TIRUMENI. THEOPHILOSE TIRUMENI WAS THE ANGAMALY BHADRASANAM OF MALANKARA ORTHODOX SURIYANI SABHA FROM 1984 TO TILL HIS DEATH THEOPHILOSE TIRUMENI WAS METROPOLITAN OF KOTHAMANGALAM Cheriya Pally.How was it possible?The body of Orthodox Suriyani Sabha ANGAMALY Priest Secretary Fr.Jacob Mannara Prayil was buried in the side of Trikkunnathu Seminary Chappell How it was possible Tirumeni. Tirumeni you know the GREAT MARCH From Kottayam To Trikkunnathu Seminary was carried out by Knanaya Suriyani Jakobaya Sabha Valiya Metropolitan Abraham Mor Clemis Metropolitan to Occupy Trikkunna thu Seminary .What happened to Trikkunnathu Seminary Chappell and Property?So do not tell that all Churches are belong.to Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha.
Tirumeni, you are always agreived party .1958,1995,2002,2017,and 2019.
Justice Mohammed Mushtaq will never told to Government to frame niyamam to save the dissident.
Teerpu is in Court of law.That is over in Supreme Court of India on 3rd July 2017.Then what is judgment.
In 1964,Timothios.Tirumeni was elected to Consercate as Catholcose and consercated as Catholcose by Yakoob 3rd Patriarch. We have to accept this pro cdure to end theConflict.
Tirumeni, you know what happened to the High Court Judge Who permitted your Kashi to perform prayer on time schedule basis in Kandanadu Church? Supreme Court asked asked the Judge Whether Kerala is not in India?Supreme Court Orders are not applicable for Kerala..
In 1958 there was only one sabha.That is Orthodox sabha..
For Orthodox the case is ended. Annyayam .
നമ്മൾ മാത്രം തീരുമെനി. We the members of the Malankara orthodox Suriyani Sabha abiding the 1934 constitution of the Malankara orthodox Suriyani Sabha. തിരുമെനിയും തോമസ് മാർ ദിവന്യാസിയോസ് തിരുമേനിയും (ഇപ്പോഴത്തെ ശ്രേഷ്ഠ കാതോലിക്ക ബാവ) പെരുമ്പള്ളി തിരുമേനിയും തിരുമേനിയും സേവേറിയോസ് തിരുമേനിയും തോമസ് മാർ അത്തനാസിയോസ് തിരുമേനിയും മിലിത്തിയൊ സ്, നിക്കോളവാസ് തിരുമ്മനിയും 1934 ഭരണഘടന അംഗീകരിക്കുന്നു സ്വീകരിക്കുന്നു എന്ന് സുപ്രിം കോടതിയിൽ ഏഴുതി ഒപ്പിട്ടു കൊടുത്തതല്ലേ? അങ്ങനെ നിങ്ങളെ മലങ്കര ഓർത്തഡോക്സ് നൂറിയാണി സഭയുടെ മെതാൻ മാരായി ചില വ്യവസ്ഥയുടെ അടിസ്ഥാനത്തിൽ സ്വീകരിച്ചു അങ്ങനെ നിങ്ങളുടെ മെതാൻ സ്ഥാനം അംഗികരിച്ചു. എന്നാൽ അത്തനാസിയോ സ്,മിലിത്തിയൊസ്, നിക്കൊള വാസ് എന്നീ മുന്നു മെത്രാൻ മാർ മാത്രമേ വ്യവസ്ഥ പാലിച്ചുള്ളു. അങ്ങനെ അവർ ഓർത്തഡോക്സ് സഭയുടെ മെത്രാൻ മാരായി സഭയിൽ താടുന്നു.
Tirumeni is not blaming Metran Kashi. GOOD.
TIRUMENI CHURCH BILL WILL NOT COME.
You sumitted hargi in Court of Justice. Finally the Supreme Court given its judgment. After that CURATIVE PETITION IS EXAMINED..FINALY THE SUPREME COURT GIVEN A FINAL VERDICT WITH INSTRUCTION TO IMPLEMENT THE VERDICT forth with.Then how you expect Justice from Court
What happened to Piravam and Mulanturuthy?
Tirumeni, some people from your Church went to Pentacotal believef..Can they claim some propery before going to Pentacotal Faith Homes?
Tirumeni, the Orthodox Sabha agreed that Antioch Patriarch is the head of Suriyani Orthodox Sabha. The Orthodox Sabha.agreed this in High Court in Justice Devan Ramachan Bench.Then What Happened?Nothing happened?Why?,You admitted in the 1958 case that By
Consercating a Catholcose in Malankara Sabha Metran Kashi they become a separate sabha worshipig against Patriarch. So the Metran Kashi informed the Court that we haven't gone away from the Jacobaya Suriyani Sabha. The
Antioch Patriarch only established a Catholicte that doesn't mean that we are gone away from the Church.?We are still in the Basaliose faith.So rhere no independent Sabha Catholcose agreed.
Tirumeni, Tirumeni file a Hargi in Supreme Court to direct Kerala Government to pass niyamam to solve the problem.
Tirumeni, if you want to remain as a Sabha you built new Churches. Then only you can remain as a sabhaa. All Churches will go to Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha including Manarcadu ❤
Tirumeni, who denied Justice to you?Vattasseril Tirumeni or Basalios Augen Catholcose?Who told to take Refurendum?Supreme Court authorized to take referendum?Litigation is over. Without the authorisation of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha Association how FR.C.T.THOMAS went to Damascus and got Consercate as Bishop Thomas Mor Dyanasious in 1974?There started the reason for second Split in the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha.
Tirumeni, For remving any mistake in Supreme Court there is a remedy.Submit a Curative petition.Then Supreme Court will examine it and necessary correction will be made by the Supreme Court. That opportunity also availed. No correction. So that opportunity also availed.Then what next?
Tirumeni, you are Malankara Metropolitan Trusty of Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha without having old Churches. Constructed prior to 2002.
Which Association granted Permission toFr.C.T Thomas,Perumpalli Fr.Gheevargheese and one more Kathanar to go to Turky and became Metran?They were not having the acceptance of the Syriyan Christian Community for Metran Abhishek am.So they got only unacceptable Consercation.
Why Orthodox suriyani Sabha is
adamant to implement 2017 Supreme Court Order?Had the Orthodox Suriyani Sabha was adamant to implement the 1958 Supreme court order.,the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha would not have faced this problem. Independent Church demand Supreme Court rejected .😊
The Orthodox Suriyani Sabha does not wantt to divide the sabh.Mushtak get firing from Supreme Coury.Who is the Owner of Piravam Church?
Tirumeni, many families are continuing in the Church. What they are telling is that Church they would.not leave. They are asking a question why we should leave the church?We were with Patriarch today also we respect Patriarch while continuing in the Church.
From the very beginning the Patriarch was not cosulting the sabha before taking any act.Patriyarc was not obeying Court order.
What a funny thing Tirumeni is telling?High Court Judge Mushtaq passed a judgment for making iyamam for Solving the problem 😂
Tirumeni, Why are you keeping silent not pressurising Pinarai to introduce the Malankara Church Bill?There is no time?Police is coming to Church for implementation of Supreme court Verdict.
Tiiuumeni, namaste, what Supreme Court commented about allay the difference s between them by talking each other. Yes it is correct. But when?After the implementation of the Court order ,if any differences is there that can be resolved by mutual talk.The Appeal is disposed off.
Where High court said to Government go ahead with Niyama Nirmanam?Where is the judgment?Nuisance.
നമസ്കാരം ഉണ്ട്. നിയന്ത്രണം നിയമ പരമല്ല. കോടതി വിധിയെ അഗീകരിക്കില്ല ഇവർ. പിന്നെന്തിനാണ് ഇനിയും പുതിയ നിയമം?
Tirumeni, you are very confident
Arun Misira in 2018 dis missed a petition filed by some Jakobaya members praying to direct the Government to make niyamam for solving the problem in Malankara Sabha.
To whom you will fought?
Hundreds of Churches are there in the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha.
101 %Church Bill will not come. Members are with you so that you can cotinue the fight?
മെത്രാച്ചോ പോലീസിനെ കൊണ്ട് കഴിയത്തിലേൽ രാജ്യത് കേന്ദ്ര സേന ഉണ്ട് അത് ഇറക്കി ആയാലും കോടതി വിധി നടപ്പിൽ ആക്കി ഇരിക്കും 😢
Correct bro. 😊
Wrong decision you Santani 😠
Enthuthengaya thirumeni parayunnath? Supreme kodathi vidhikethire bill konduvarano? Bhoshathom Pinarai cheyumo?
Tirumeni, we all should look back to the day Timothios Tirumeni was Consercated to Catholcose Basalios Augen of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha by Yakoob 3rd Patriarch of Antioch.The name of the SABHA is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. .The name of the SABHA in 1964 was Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha ❤All should notice that The name of the SABHA is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. No Jakobaya sabha. Then from where this Yakobaya came?The Sabha should governed hy the. 1934. Constitution. So the present Yakobaya Sabha has no connection with old Yakobaya Sabha. Patriarch accepted the Catholcose The Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha (Name accepted by 1934 Constitution.)So there is only one sabha that is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha and one Constitution that is 1934 Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha Constitution. All the chrches are belonged to Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. The Churches are to be governed by 1934 Constitution. The Consercation of Catholcose Basaliose First by Abded Mesiha Patriarch was accepted by Yakoob 3rd Patriarch Yakoob 3rd and in Constitution of this Yakoob 3rd
Consercated Basaliose Augen First. MALANKARA ORTHODOX SURIYANI SABHA Rev.Fr.C.T Thomas was the Convenior of this Construction of Kollenchery Medical Mission. Fr.Thomas was not married. Fr.Thomas was not considered for Metran as F.r. Thomas was only 4th std failed. Patriarch Yakoob 3rd was not happy with 1934Constitution.
Patriarch Yakoob 3rd was not happy with 1934 Constitution
as Patriarch is not having Temporal power and Spiritual Supremecy on Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. So Yakoob 3rd wanted to Split the Sabha and the Patriarch Faction to be rejuvenated. Keeping this idea in mind Yakoob 3rd Patriarch Consercated Fr.Thomas as Metran without the Consent of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha Association Thus Yakoob 3rd Patriarch Violated the 1958 Supreme Court Order. Fr.Thomas was Consercated as Thomas Mor Dyanasious and Posted as ANGAMALY Dioscese Metropolitan .Another priest Perumpalli Gheevafgheese Kathanar was also Consercated as Gheevafgheese Mor Greegorios. Using these two Metran and one Paulose Mor Pilexinos of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha Patriarch Yakoob 3rd rejuvenated the Second Yakobaya Suriyani Sabha and run a parallel Administration in Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha. The Supreme Court on 3rdJuly 2017 issued an order that there is only one sabha that is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha and the sabha should be governed by 1934Constitution. All the chrches are to be administrard by 1934Constitution. But Joseph Mor Gregorios wanted to Split the Sabha in to two by getting leagal validity to the DISSIDENT Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha (Caling Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Orthodox Sabha) So all the Malankara Makkal Should think who distoyed the Peace in Malankara Sabha?
Kerala high court acting Chief justice passed judgment that Government pass the Malankara Church Bill😂 When the case came for hearing Government Advocate told the Court that Government is going to pass a Bill Malankara Church Bill .Then Court asked when you bring the Bill?This does not mean that you pass the Bill😂
When this sister brothert nrelatipn came?
Gregorios Tirumeni How can we believe in you?Tirumeni,in 2019 Justice Arun Misra of Supreme Court dismissed a petition filed by
Jacobite Sabha praying for giving directions.to Kerala Government to frame niyamam for Setling the issue Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha with Orthodox Sabha.
The Supreme Court Bench Headed by Justice Arun Misra dismissed the petition on the ground that Judgment was final. Even then you are pressurising Pinarai Vijayan to Pass a Bill for framing Niyamam for helping Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha. Fantastic Tirumeni.
സഭ ഒന്നാകണം,34ഭരണ ഘടന അംഗീകരിക്കണം, അടുത്ത കാതോലിക്ക യായി യാക്കോബായ സഭയിൽ നിന്നും ആരെങ്കിലും വരട്ടെ.പ്രശ്നങ്ങൾ തീരട്ടെ.
What are the conditions eligible for a metran in Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha?The Candidate should be a Malabarii(Kerala was not formed)and He should be accepted by the community to be a metran for them.That means Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha Association Sould elect him.This conditions was formulated by Antioch Patriarch Peter 3rd in Mulanturuthy Synod on 1876.
What happened to Fr C.T.Thomas (Present Sreshta Catholcose)a priest in the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. GOOD CONVENTION PREACHER.But he himself agree that he is only 4th std failed four times. This shows his humidity. But he can be a Metropolitan Of a community having education?EVEN HIS NAME HAS NOT COME BEFORE THE ASSOCIATION. PATRIARCH OF ANTIOCH IS NOT HAVING ANY TEMPORAL POWER AS PER Royal Court Verdict. Patriarch Bawa is having spiritual Supremecy over Malankara Curch but Patriarch Bawa Could not use it Unilaterly. 24:05 without the Consent of Malankara Jakobaya Association. (Continued)
Tirumeni, why you are after Pinarai Vijayan for framing Niyamam for saving your sabha from the Supreme Court verdict of 2017?when Arun Misra dismissed the petition submitted by Jakobaya sabha Members.
Tirumeni, why you boycotted Parumala Association held in 2002.?You people understood thatS there is no use in the merger. What is the use Basaliose Mathews Second Became Malankara Jakobaya Metropolitan?No benefit. So let us continue the leagal fight by boycotting the Parumala Association.
എൻ്റെ കൊച്ചി ശാന്തി കൃഷ്ണേ
എന്താ ഈ പറയുന്നത്
താങ്കൾ 1934 ഭരണഘടന അംഗീകരിച്ച് ബഹു. സുപ്രീം കോടതി വിധി അംഗീകരിച്ചതല്ലേ?
1934 ാം ഭരണഘടന ഒന്നാം ഭാഗം എന്തുകൊണ്ട് ഓർത്തോഡോക്സുകാർ അംഗികരികുന്നില്ല? പിന്നെ 34 എന്ന ഈ ഭരണഘടന പല പട്ടം തിരിത്തി ഏഴു തിയത് ആര് അംഗി കരിക്കാൻ
നിയമനിർമ്മാണം തടയാൻ ഇന്ത്യയിൽ ഒരു കോടതിക്കും കഴിയുകയില്ല മറിച്ച് നിയമം നിർമ്മിക്കുന്നത് നിയമ്മ നിർമ്മാണ സഭകളാണ് സുപ്രികോടതി നിർത്തലാക്കിയ തമിഴ്നാട്ടിലെ ജെല്ലിക്കെട്ട് അവിടെത്തെ സർക്കാർ പുനസ്ഥാ വിച്ചില്ലേ?
How Press helped you?Propertie Tax anybody can pay.You do not have any documents to show that the Churches belonging to you So far.You are occupying the Churches belonging to you.?All documents are with Orthodox Sabha..
Tirumeni we accepts Patriarch of Antioch. Who told that Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha is not accepting Patriarch Bawa of Antioch?Tirumeni, apply some Common sense. (Deeply sorry to say like this).Tirumeni, What youare going to get Orthodox Suriyani Sabha Sabha accepting Patriarch as thei Head?Supreme Court in Various Verdicts pronounced that Patriarch is not having Administrziveor Spiritual Supremecy over Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha.unless they permits.The Spiritual Supremecy of Patriarch over Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha has reached to aVANISHING POINT.What does it mean?Asthamichirikkunnu.(Vanishing point means.)
Tirumeni, you are telling that you don't have any compulsion that Orthodox Suriyani Sabha should accept Patriarch of Antioch. Then it is very easy to solve the problem. You can covey this to Chief Minister then he will talk to Catholcose of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha.
After the acceptance of 1934 Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha Constitution, and after the Cosercation of Catholcose by Abdul Mesiha Patriarch in1912 and after many litigation in 1958 Unity prevailed in Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha (the name of Jakobaya is changed to Orthodox in 1934 Constitution accepted in1934 Malankara Association held in M.D. So now also the dissident group call them selves that Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha. How?Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha was Changed in the Constitution that Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. In the Supreme Court verdict in 1958 Supreme Court judgment accepted the 1934 Constitution. So Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha is no more. The1934 Constitution and 1958 Supreme Court judgment are vital .Supreme Court accepted both. Even Malankara Knanaya Suriyani Sabha also part and parcel of of Suriyani Sabha. Since they Framed a Constitution for them exclusively the Supreme Court gave exemption to Knanaya Suriyani Sabha to free from 1934 Constitution.
Tirumeni, your group is still saying that Orthodox Suriyani Sabha is
Mudakkapettavar.Justice K.T.Thomas Sabha only said that Patriarch is not having Supremecy in Malankara Sabha. But the Royal Court given Verdict that Patriarch is having Spiritual Supremecy. Now K.T.Thomas is supporting you.😂K.T.Thomas also said that you kiked Thomas Mor Athanasius was kicked out Thomas Mor Athanasius. .The Jakobaya sabha thrown a to him and kicked out him r from Pazhaya Seminary .They were not aware the importance of that Chair.Sitting in this Chair all Malankara Metropolita was Consercated. Now Marthoma Sabha Consercate Marthoma Metropolita sitting on this Chair So
Jakobaya sabha lost that Chair. In your meeting he is Supporting Yakobaya Sabha.
Tirumeni, why you are blocking Orthodox members. Tirumeni,you are a good Actor.
Tirumeni is telling that there is High court order for passing Bill Then why Pinarai Vijayan is not making niyamam?wonderful Tirumeni
Tirumeni, it is 100 % SURE that the Malankara sabha Church Bill will not come. .So construction of new
Churches is the only solution. Tirumeni the 1958 Supreme Court order was issued after Pinarai Vijay an
Tirumeni, Abded Mesiha Antioch Patriarch came to Malankara and Consercated Paulose Mor Ivanios Sr.Metopolitan as Catholcose of the East. The Patriarch gave authority to Consercate Bishops and Catholcose and Mor one the use in Malankara. This was authenticated by giving Kalpana. The Malankara Metropolitan is the Metropolitan Trusty of the Sabha
Tirumeni, sory to state that you are misguiding your own people. Are they fools?Late Dr.Babu Paul ,in one video was telling that Knanaya Sabha is also an integral part of Malankara Sabha. The metran of Knanaya Sabha also attend Synod of Orthodox sabha.The Orthodox Sabha should in invite them.
Tirumeni, you are doing contempt of court.They will moove thehargi to High Court.
Tirumeni no use waiting for Niyama Nirmanam by Kerala Government. Some of the members of Malankara sabha approached Supreme Court for giving directions.to Kerala Government to formulate legislation fordifusing the situation in the Malankara Suriyani Sabha. The Bench Headed by Justice Arun Misra dismissed the Petition 5 years back.
Tiiuumeni, if priests are behaving like this,people will loose respect towards the religion. In place of one metran now there are more than 70 metrans.To maintain a metran lakhs ofRupees are required.This amount a wastage.
Tirumeni, what you said is correct it is very difficult to go like this. AFTTER SOMETIME YOUR SUPPORTERS WOULD NOT COME FOR BLOCKING ORTHODOX PEOPLE.?
ഒരു വിധിയും ഇല്ല
Can't you forget and forgive?
Shameful,Shameful.
What a meaning less talk😂Piravom Pall has been taken custody of Orthodox Suriyani Sabha
നിങ്ങൾ ആദ്യം കോടതി വിധി അംഗീകരിക്കുക
Tirumeni, you are dissidents in the Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. In 1958 both the faction became one Sabha and accepted 1934 Constitution. The name of the SABHA is Changed to Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. It is becuse the Antioch Sabha is known as Suriyani Orthodox Sabha of Antioch. It
Belongs to Oriental Orthodox Group. No where in the world there is no Sabha by name Jakobaya sabha except Malankara. It is a nick name put by Catholics.As the name is so popular we could not do anything but accepted it.For example in our villages also some people are known in nik name. The person also knows it.But the Yakobaya name got corrected as Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha or Indian Orthodox Suriyani Sabha in the 1934 Constitution. The Malankara Association accepted the mame.
The idea of sister church should have been taken up in the year 1912 it self .Nobody will be evacuated from the Church The Malankara Jakobaya Sabha Catholcose was Consercated by Antioch Patriarch Abdul Mesiha. Abdul Mesiha Patriarch was the senior Patriarch. There was some conflict betwee the two.That we could not understand. At the same time there we're two Patriarch in Antioch
What Tirumeni said in the Marines Late, Eranakul?Tirumeni said you would not say sory to Devalokam Bawa.😂,Now what happened fo chang of mind?It is natural. Stste of mind is not always permanent.Opinion may Change.That is human nature.
When Justice Mushtaq asked to Yakobaya Sabha when you make niyamam ?Whenever the Church case comes for hearing they say that Government is introducing Bill..Then Justice told when the Bill is passed?For this Tirumeni is telling the press that there is Judgment of Justice Mushtaq of High Court to frame Niyamam.😂😂😂
Tirumeni, you remember the story of Tower of Babel.
General public what they know about Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha, Malankara Metropolita, Catholcose etc.Even the Bishops of both sides may not aware. WHO knows Vattipanam case? The highest decisions of Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha was taken by Malankara Assosiatio.n. Who were the Metran Consercated by Malankara Association by the Patriarch Kashi?Your Thomas First Metran went to Damasscus without the knowledge of Malankara Association and came back wearing Red Kuppayam.Like that Perumpally Metran, Etc.What was your grievances?Tirumeni, a person was traveling without ticket from Mumbai to Trivandrum. TICKET examiner Catched him red handed then interrogated the tckeless Traveler.Then he replied that anyhow the train is going to Trivandrum, so what difference it make?Like that Tirumeni is telling Orthodox Suriyani Sabha is not loosing anything if Orthodox Suriyani Sabha accept Justice K.T.Thomas recommendation?Funny Tirumeni.
Tirumeni. Did you won any case in the Supreme Court?No.How much money you wasted in Court Cases?
Leave the Bill .Tirumeni, there is no sister sabha,there is omly one sabha that is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha governed by 1934 of Malankara Orthodox suriyani Sabha.
Tiiuumeni, the problem in Malankara Jakobaya Sriyani Sabha started with a simple issue not at all connected with anything connected with anything connected with spiritual or Biblical or connected with Jesus.All our Spiritual Fathers Cheated us and divided us.How?What I understood
I. Am writing here.
The problem started in 1912A.D.When Vattasseril Gheevafgheese malpan from Mallappally,Tiruvalla,Alleppey District and One Paulose Malpan (sorry I don't know his address. I think he is from Panampady Kumrakam Kottayam. )for Continuation please see next comment.
Tirumeni, in 1958 Metran Kashi won the Sabha Case.Bava Kashi accepted the 1934 Constitution of Malankara Jakobaya Suriyani Sabha. As the 1934 Constitution was approved by the Malankara Assosiatio.the name of the SABHA is Changed to Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. Then factions in the Sabha was no more. So one Sabha one Patriarch, one Catholcose one Constitution. One Sabha is Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha, Patriarch is Yakoob 3rd, Constitution is 1934 Constitution Catholcose was Basalios Gheevafgheese Dwitheeyan (in 1958)Basalios Augen First(1964).
Then who disrupted the Sabha in 1970 and spliced the Sabha and Ordinated 3 metrans including the present Sreshta Catholcose. Then you are the dissident group.Sabha is same Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. Dissidents group is your Jakobaya Socity registered in 2002.A Constitution was formulated. Supreme Court put this Constitution in the Dusbin .Then Tirumeni Supreme Court will allow to frame niyamam by PASSING THE BILL 😂No Raksha Tiirumeni.Danger.
To keep the relation with Antioch Patriarch of Antioch will be invited for the Cosercation of Catholcose When Patriarch comes Patriarch will be the Chief Celebrant of the Cosercation. Accordingly, Basaliose Gheevafgheese Augen was Consercated in 1964.Yakub 3rd Patriarch accepted 1934 Malankara Orthadox Suriyani Sabha 1934 Constitution. Then what happened to you people?
No noyama nirmanam.For your disobedience why Government should make law?
Supreme Court remaks can be removed Supreme Court alrady judged that there is only one sabha. Factions are not in existance.
Who denied you justice?Supreme Court Of India?Then you seek reedy from Supreme Court of India..or Niyama Nirmanam?,
Tiiuumeni, when Malankara Church Bill will come?After mediation only you went to Court. Then accept Court Orderp.
Orthodox Sabha നിയമം വിട്ട് ഒന്നും ചെയ്യില്ല എന്നതാണ് പ്രശ്നം എന്ന് തിരുമേനി പറയുന്നത് correct.
Tirumeni, You were arguing that 1934 Constitution is not registered so one can not transacte more than Rs.100 wprth property.Then how Churches worth more than lakhs of Rs cann be transferred to Malankara Orthodox Suriyani Sabha?Tirumeni, the Property was belong to Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. Now the court is recovering theproperty .It is not new property aqired by the Malankar Orthodox Suriyani Sabha. It is leagal.
Tirumeni tell me truth Whether Supreme Court issued judgment that Government can introduce Bill in the Assembly?Tirumeni, you may remember that Arun Misira fied the High Court Judge Who gave Permission to Patriarch faction gave Permission to perform Qurbana in Kandanadu church
Arun Misira asked whether Ketala is outside India?Then High Court Cancelled the Permission. What does it mean?Tirumeni, in this circumstances any High Court Judge would pass judgment to pass Bill by Government of Kerala?O.K. Let the governed pass the Bill?😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉