LEGO Lamborghini Countach showdown - 10337 vs 10295 mod by Firas vs 3d printed model - review pt2
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- Here is the second part of my review about the 10337 Lamborghini Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole! In this video I compare it to the 10295 mod by firas_legocars:
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Hello @RacingBrick look the MOC from Rastacoco on rebricable please
@@crt6813 I won't, I'm sure someone else will do it after the release. I picked a popular alternate MOC many people requested, unfortunately I don't have time to collect parts of several MOCs for a single comparison video.
@@RacingBrick no worries I understand have you seen the Rastacoco MOC the back looks a lot like that of Lego
@@crt6813 yes I've seen it, there are similarities and also differences. People really have a wide range of choice to pick which one they prefer.
Firas MOC is actually insane achievement considering limitations, 911 in general have alot of great MOCs
Very true!
Just need to get this windshield from new set, and it will be much cooler.
@@DNovac Is it the windshield from the Ferarri F40?
It’s surprising how an alternative build (with the all the constrains of parts available) still looks so good (better imo) compared to an official set designed over several months by a Lego employee (with new parts developed specifically for that set)
Thats not entirely true
I'm sorry but the official one looks so much better.
@@Anonymous_896the official one looks horrendous. The proportions are off in every way. Tailights are wayyy off, nose is way to slim, front is angled too much, dual tires???, no pop ups? Way more flat than the real one too. Rastacoco has a much better looking version on rebrickable. Even NKubate’s TRANSFORMING countach looks better. The alternative build by firas captures the round shape of the real one better than the set
@@Lucianohlegomocs If you want it to be 100% accurate, buy a die cast model.
@@Anonymous_896be more of a shill
The rear of the official set is about the only thing I don't like about it. Hopefully firas can turn it into a Porsche lmao
For me the Porsche alternative build's overall shape is still better, the side profile is for me more accurate, than the official set 😊
The windshield on the alr sits more accurately
Yep. Me too! The alt build evokes the Countache far more than the official set. Sure there are accuracy issues in both, but they’re LEGO sets not airfix/Tamiya model kits. If the official set was a different colour or had more customisation options (the first Countach for example didn’t have the rear wing and US models featured different bumpers and side skirts- all of which could’ve been extra build options like with the Tagra set) I might have considered getting this. But I already have the 10295 as an alt build, I don’t really need another Lamborghini Countach on my shelf. 🤔🤷😂
At first I was 95% purchasing the Countach, but after your very helpful and trustworthy reviews, I feel like having the one Contach (My speed champions one) is good enough
“Let’s see if he can turn it into a Porsche”. Laughed so hard, I got dinner all over my shirt. 😂
If the alternative build and official did some sort of fusion dance it look the best shape-wise
While both have their pros and cons, I'd still say I prefer the alternate build. Two areas where it clearly wins for me is the narrower front, and the much thinner window sills. And a Countach just needs a wiper. Ironically, I do actually prefer the rear of the Lego set, even when oversized it just looks more accurate.
I'd love to see how Firas could improve his model with the new parts, that would make it absolutely perfect!
Interesting comparison, and while I respect your views I think the crucial difference is that Firas' MOC is off in small ways that can easily be modified (rear wing, engine cover, windscreen, etc), while the new official set is off in fundamental ways that will be very hard to modify and which affect the defining lines of the vehicle (staggered hood-to-windshield line, height and bulk of the rear end, etc). I think the MOC being a bit smaller also scales better with the Porsche and other cars in the line.
My main problems are the bulges on the front being too pronounced and how they mess with the overall silhouette. Call me crazy but that bothers me even more than the oversized taillights. Also no pop up headlights is just a miss especially when the f40 was able to do so.
After models that could be modified like the Mustang or the Porsche, that Lambo is a real downgrade. Lack of the pop-up headlights is unexplainable. The B-Model Lambo is just an outstanding achievement, it reminds everyone of what LEGO once stood for. That's why its flaws are totally swept away by justyfied sympathy. I love it.
And I heard that the designer tried to say they couldn't make the pop up headlights work. Like you said the F40 did it a decade ago and there's a MOC designer that was able to do it too
The f40 pop ups are like 5 parts, no idea why it couldn't be done again
I do think Lego is rushing things, speed champions merc packs, mp4/4, and now this. Its wild that MOCs are better than official cars.
Oh yeah they absolutely are. The quality has definitely dipped with a lot of their stuff
I have quite some experience with the 10295 set parts portfolio, having built the 911 Turbo first, then a MOC Carrera version, then Firas´ Countach (improved with a trapezoid windscreen) and now a modified version of his BMW M1. I have mixed feelings about the new official Countach set, I like certain details, but I´m not blown away enough to spend 180 bucks right away. Sadly, the giant step that was the 10265 Mustang with added steering and mods could not be repeated with the model lineup since then, IMHO.
I wonder if someone will do a libertywalk one🤔
I think we can all acknowledge that Firas is quite the Michelangelo of alternative builds for lego vehicles (at least in this scale). CreationCaravan is also very good. Kirvet and Sim Camat are others to keep an eye out for. Firas designed no less that 6 or 7 wildly different alternative builds for the 10295 Porsche set. Doing that within the limits of the available pieces is mind-boggling.
Official lego designers (or regular MOC builders) have any existing piece in any existing colour and any quantity at their disposal to create. (Official designers can, furthermore, ask for new pieces or pieces in new colours, within reason and budget). The designer of an alternate build does not have that luxury (and their designs should be valued accordingly).
Thanks for the detailed comparism 👌😎 good video 😊
What everybody seems to forget is that a moc builder can go all out. No restraints what so ever.
The Lego employee on the other hand, has to take into account things like production, costs, suitability for all age groups, release dates, playability, dependency of other departments (marketing, stickerdevelopers, manualwriting) etc etc …
That’s why moc’s are almost by definition, better than the originals.
I don‘t know exatly why, but for me the alternate build looks better than the official set
The alt looks better and more ideal, but the actual looks mostly more accurate. People forget the Countach is not a very attractive car, despite being held as an idol
Super, I was looking forward to this :)! I purchased the 10295 Lambo MOD's instruction, the build is phantastic from the Porsche set.
The MOC Looks a lot more aggressive and modified rather than the official set, which is stock (apart from the rear wing)
Thanks for making this video, it was the comparison I was looking for/find out. I brought the instructions and even the stickers for Firas MOC couple of years ago but have been waiting and saving up to get another Porsche but then the official Lambo got announced. I think I might actually go for the MOC instead..
All I can see is the lack of tapering in the front of the official Lego model
Great video, I really wished for this comparison! The bulge above the front wheels on 10337 in combination with the "step" (that shouldn't be there) between the windshield and nose of the car, still makes me lean towards the Firas version of Countach. To each their own what they find most imporant ofcourse. Anyway, I will eventually buy the 10337 and mod the front to be more to my liking. If that works out, I'll have a crack at the tail lights too.
The only thing I’m sad about is there not being flip out headlights
Smoothing can be done quickly by dipping the print in Acetone and wiping it carefully afterwards. The longer in Acetone the more smoothing, but it might dissolve some minor details if dipped to long. It is also dependent on what print material you are using.
I am more of a Ferrari guy but I still think this is cool
Ferrari treats there fans like crap
yes this is definitely what i needed i just couldnt decide if the countach was better than the porsche mc
The Firas B-Model would be the only reason for me to ever buy the Porsche. I would never buy the Lambo, unless Firas creates a beautiful Porsche out of it :)
This is a demonstration of how powerful the Lego community really is.
I think that all of the details on the countach set are better than the porsche alternative build, and the proportions on the middle and rear ends of the cars look very similar, how ever the front end of the porsche alternative build has way better proportions than the official set. Its just embarrassing that the lego designers who had unlimited parts couldn't figure something out that was better than the designer who was limited by the parts used in the porsche set.
The porsche lambo curved front and the lack of that curve on the official one for me is where the official one broke. Its like its not a lambo model but just a larger scale version of the speed champions one wc also had the blocky front
Thank you for the comparison. I think Firas did an amazing job with the parts constraints of the Porsche set. A better comparison though would have been comparing the official set to Rastacoco's MOC of the Countach (also on Rebrickable). They did an amazing MOC without the constraints of the official set and I think it looks better than the official set. It even has pop up headlights! Though the rear lights on that one are also a bit too big in my opinion.
Its crazy to think the RKubate’s transforming countach looks like it had better proportion than the official one 😂
you should have also done rastacocos moc
I built out the FIras version awhile back and made significant changes to some areas of the build but it's still a fantastic alt build, i will be buying the lego one and hope to see what the community comes up with in terms of adjustments.
While the Porsche build into the Lamborghini is impressive, technically given no parts were added, it made use entirely of what was available which is quite the achievement. The 3D model for comparison was a pretty clever move, as the proportions definitely look better, more accurate on the official release. Outside the oversized taillights, and weirdly shaped dashboard not much to complain about as I think the model displays, and looks great for what is is. Other than the printed piece count not sure why this one is $240 here in Canada though the DeLorean is about the same. That 3D printer is super impressive, as the 3D model also looks great.
While seems to be one of those colours that can be found matching color from the Lego color palette. Trying to find a filament matching DBG or LBG is a pain...
I think this may make sense that we get 6 of those slim wheel rims with better pivot - they will be more accessible on bricklink this way.
You don't get 6, the new rims have the same proportions as the ones from the Porsche set and in the rear they add a slimmer rim and tire - the doubled-up tires are not the same width.
when is the motorized test of the logging railway I’m dying to see it (also nice video personally I like the official Lego model better)
The MOC looks good but rhe official set captures the overall look better (other the side windows) gets some porportions off and no pop-up lights or rear trunk.
I think the official one looks great, except for perhaps tapering in the front a tiny bit to match the real car and fixing the shaping of the taillights. Maybe someone will come out with some modifications that make sense for us to change.
I wish they made the MP4/4 with double rear tires, and forget about the slicks, it would have looked just fine.
My neighbour's second cousin liked this video very much :)
Thank you very much for the unbiased comparison! I still like the Porsche alternate build better, but fair points go to the Lego set. Now I only want to see a Firas MOC with the best of both versions combined :)
Check out Rastacoco's version. Much better than Firas and the official set in my opinion, but also didn't work within the constraints of the Porsche set.
Sometimes people forget about the Hot Wheels effect: toy cars look better when the height is shorter in proportion than the actual car
The moc looks like a diablo more then a countach
Thanks for the comparison. I'm still not convinced though... The shape of the NACA ducts, the size of the tail lights... and why on earth white again?
The official LEGO model looks somehow weak in comparison to Firas' Alt model, especially for that $180 price tag!
I knew Firas and was very familiar with his work since he joined the online LEGO community many years ago, and even back then he was exceptional. And when I saw his alt Lambo model, I was blown away by it!
To be honest, this official LEGO Countach is more like a prototype IMHO, and it was rushed a bit.
When will they release red Testarossa on which so many people look forward so long..
I think I heard that you can weld 3D prints together by melting down a bit of the filament and using it as a glue.
This was done with a 3d pen that practically does that
Looking at both the Lego version and the build by Firas I personally prefer the one by Firas.
Thanks for pointing out the taillight being too large, squeezing everything out of proportion. I think it's an decent looking car, I personally just cannot look pass the rear design it just looks really off for me.
agree that the rear end just looks too disproportionate and kinda ruins the overall model. Other angles aren't too far off but the massive taillights don't work at all
@@andyf1880yeah once I noticed I can't unsee.... Oh well too many other sets anyhow to consider
How does it compare with moc 57851?
i just think lego could have done better on this one looking forwards to the mods
Hi… I have problems printing technic bricks with 0.4 hotend, because inside is mm shorter. Are there special configs that I could use for Cura/Prusa/Orca? Thanks!
Price will definitely drop on this and then might buy might
What do you think is the most accurate to original Lego car in the Icons series?
I just built the VTOL Spaceship set which cost £90 and it seems much better value than this Countach considering the size and parts. You can get a very realistic die cast Countach for under £30 - sure it's not LEGO but it will look great on a shelf.
I tend not to get too nit-picky when judging the official set, given that the designers have other constraints regarding build experience, product quality, stability, parts budget and more that MOC designers simply don’t have to worry about. Plus it’s made from the same building system that also provides buckets of assorted 2x4 etc. bricks to 5 year olds, which has been carefully added to over the last half-century and kept as universal as possible.
You could pretty much GUARANTEE that this set’s designers looked at different options to build various sections of this set such as the tail lights, but had to scrap them for the eventual final design to fit within the constraints I mentioned above. If you’re curious about the constraints that LEGO designers have to work within, I highly recommend checking out the “What’s up with that?” series of articles over on Brickset, which are written by a former LEGO designer.
That’s what I was thinking. How do the Mocs stand up to official Lego build techniques? I think this is a cracking looking set
Whilst I can apreciate Lego's attempt it's not for me. Unfortunately the most fun I get from Lego is the building aspect, and I simply don't have the space for this set. To then disassemble and use for parts the price is a bit too high, I remember paying 140 eur for the Mustang directly from Lego in 2019.
The door windows kill it for me! They look terrible! Think I’ll just buy a second Porsche model and build the MOC version instead and add extra parts to further improve it! Maybe buy the official model windscreen, when it becomes available to buy separately!
He’s going to start making his own sets
Perhaps Firas's model may not be so accurate, but it is still much better looking than this new Lambo official model. Also fair point that the official lambo model may be more rigid when handling.
I think I might buy the Porsche and just get the new wind screen from the Lamborghini seperately, the moc looks way better but that wind screen needs to go lol
An delicated official build that's not completely better than an alternative model moc which is not meant to be built this way, such a shame.
I still prefer the MOC and would look for a Porsche to build it
You can find the mould king countach at 35/40 usd.. It s the Firas a little bit improved. Mould king blocks have a good quality. Now many Chinese brands have a good quality... Sometime equal to Lego...
I wish that it was ANY color than white! How bad would the yellowing be?
The Lego model would be better if there were no studs showing. It would make for a smoother sleeker look.
What kind of retailers are you finding these sets new for less?
You can search on brickmerge.de
Speed champions on top
I feel like the Lego one is still a bit better, but considering that it’s a full release, more expensive and uses new parts, it should have been *a lot* better
Here's my opinion as a complete non-car-fan: the Porsche MOC captures the essence of "a Lamborghini" way better than the official model. It looks more like an ugly doorstopper, and I mean that in the most affectionate way possible. Now which one looks more like a Countach, I leave up to the real fans.
Explain to me why Lego and go put a black windshield? While IRL it’s often transparent 🤔
The double wheels are frustrating. Knowing the Senna McLaren needed wide tires, they could have killed 2 birds with one stone and had double wide molded tires for both the countach and the senna McLaren !
The wheel size doesn't really match, and slicks would look weird on the Countach
Where is the link to the 3D-model?
In the description, updated
Love the official model can't wait to get it in my collection.
Hood is the worst for me. Double tires irk me. This is my childhood fav car tho. So I’ll go
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It. I wish it was red tho.
I have build the Countach by Firas. I love it. And I am still planning on buying the official one. I'll either display both, or build something else from my Porsche set. I wish I could a Diablo alt build for it. Have Countach, Diablo, and Murci on my shelf.
Where is firas? does he know that his MOC is now featured on Racing Brick!
He does, he commented on my Facebook post :) Apparently a lot of people got interested in his MOC which is great :)
@@RacingBrick Well that's good. he must feel great on his work. and W videos Racing Brick!
I created a comparison slider, but I'm not sure I'm allowed to link it here, where you see the proportions are clearly wrong, and it's too tall. The bulge on the hood is deal-breaker for me, that is the iconic silhouette of the Countach, the poster that was on my wall as a kid, I can't get that shape out of my head, I'm sorry that this one just doesn't work for me. Maybe Firas can improve on it, and then I'll definitely purchase it along with the modding instructions, and yes, if the price is lower or the same as the Porsche it's an easy choice.
You are allowed to link anything, I'd be interested
I have the Firas rebuild on my shelf now, but still consider getting an official set, just because I like both Countaches very much. Maybe I'll re-rebuild Firas version back into the Porsche %)
I'm sorry did you say 1200 mm per second
this is exactly the reason why I care about Function over Aesthetics, too much nit picking over TINY! details I get that its an icons set, but for what it is, its great, price is too much, but it looks like a Countach, if it came in yellow I might have considered getting one,
and this is coming from some one who doesn't like the Countach
thank you for the accurate comparison with a 3d model too. initially skeptical in favour of the moc, but i have to say that the overall sights makes it look more like a diablo side by side to the lego one, which is immediately a countach. emphasizing the rear lights, air intakes and the convex front even if straight made its job
You should have included Rastacocos Design...
Yes I know, I should have included like 3 more, unfortunately I don't have all the time and bricks in the world to make a single video.
@@RacingBrick That's fine with me. 😉Thank you for your response.
Yes, Rastacoco's is the best one on Rebrickable, and better than the official set in my opinion and doesn't have the constraints of working with only pieces from the official Porsche set.
can i have your old v400 please
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I will definitely buy this once it's available, my question is should I paint the rims in gold or chrome?🤔
Side by side the Porsche mod looks way better overall, i just wish we could buy the windshield separately and attach it perfectly, its the only thing preventing me buying the Porsche
Same, the only thing I don't really like on the mod is the windshield, hopefully I can get that part soon and incorporate it into Firas' design.
What I really think is becoming an issue is the release scheme of lego. Back in the day, before covid, we typically had 2 major release dates for sets, being january and july. Some sets would come out in march or august/september, but the main bulk there. Nowadays, there a dozens of sets releasing each month. Ofcours we don't know when a certain model's design period starts and ends, but I believe a connection can be made between the abundunt release scheme and the quality of sets. I really experienced more rushed or innacurate sets in the last few years then before (or I have become more critical). It really feels designers get less and less time to dedicate on design, in order to schedule releases. Please correct me if I'm wrong, cause I do appreciate all the work the designers put into a model, but If I need to pay this much, I do expect to get at least my money's worth.
A really strong point you made in the video is the fact about specialized pieces. If a new element gets designed, it is 100% intentional. So I really wonder what other solutions for the taillights there would have been. I don't think everyone will agree, but I would have prefered printed taillights with just a brickbuilt shape proportionally accurate compared to fully brickbuilt but oversized. Curious what others think. Thanks for your insights in this video. I'm a massive Lamborghini fan, and when I heard the news about this set I was over the moon, but the longer I look at it, the les happy I am. So I will definitely wait for a discount, as I don't think the price is justified for what you get.
I think LEGO has also gotten increasingly obsessed with "clean" designs. Firas's version looks more accurate but also "messier" in a sense, with more small gaps and exposed studs. This isn't a huge deal as you typically overlook those things as long as the general shaping, proportions, and vibe are correct. LEGO however seems to think their designs must be studless and all gaps perfectly filled in order for the model to appear professional, yet this creates uncanny valley designs where the fact that it's so smooth makes its inaccurate shaping and proportions stick out like a sore thumb.
IMO, slightly messy but with proper proportions and shaping is much better than perfectly smooth with bad proportions and shaping - it's LEGO after all, it can never be perfect, but you can choose HOW it's inaccurate, and if anything the more "messy" style just embraces the LEGO aesthetic. The best you can strive for is a detailed and recognizable LEGO model that looks like LEGO - not an inaccurate poorly-shaped model that tries to hide the fact that it's LEGO.
@@Thinginator A Lego model is always a compromise. Lego has decided to put more emphasis on clean and few gaps, because I suspect most of their audience prefer that look over the messier look that's got more accurate proportions.
I don't follow your logic. With the number of themes, teams and designers, how would a more spread-out release scheme rush designers more than a big bang scheme? I suspect it's more the result of a drive for more profits, allowing less development time per model.
The specialised piece for the tail lights is not that specialised. It's a slope that you'll no doubt see in more sets in coming months. While I see what they tried to do, those tail lights are just too big, it's really obvious.
My neighbors second cousin 😂😂
the firas is a masterpiece compared to the lego one.
The one from maestro Firas is just more Diablo-looking and confuses people by making them feel more Lamborghini out of just one model 😁
I have bought the porsche for €115
They are both off but the official set is more accurate imo, the alternate is just fine for what it was
Can I have your old 3d printer? Hehe
The custom build looks a little like a Diablo to me, from the front I mean
Hi racing brick can u make a video or replay what lego technic cars are cheap like 80 or 100£ that have got steering suspensions and the engine?
I think for what it's worth, the 911 moc does super well for using parts exclusively from that set, however the official set definitely comes out on top imo.
It may not have that subtle curve on the front nor the popups, but I can excuse that given it still manages to capture the car better in more aspects than the moc does.
People have gotten _way_ too nitpicky now and this set's reveal really shows such, it really makes me wonder if they actually want lego, or an Autoart model instead.
People need to understand Lego sets will never be perfectly acurate unless they made brand new parts suited to every specific car set, so if you want a perfect Countach, just buy a diecast model instead of fussing about the Lego set.
I must say though, I'm convinced people complaining about this car's proportions have never actually taken a good look at the Countach either.
I decided to pull up some images side by side and form my own opinions on it, and while I do somewhat understand the taillights criticism now, I think it still looks really good all together and does match the car incredibly well for the most part.
The front end is only missing that smooth curve nearing the front and the wheel arches match even if they aren't angled on the rear like the actual car, so overall I think it's 90% there.
In the end, it's lego, it's not a perfect 1:1 replica of the car and it never will be, so buy it or don't.
second! i love lamborghini countach
Why do all the youtubers get paper bags while every new august set i buy has plastic. I guess optics mean that much to lego
Or you probably live in another part of the world where LEGO factories were not switched to paper yet? There are more logical explanations than conspiration theories...
It's been literal years since Lego announced that they would start doing that and I still haven't seen a single one. It is absolutely an optics thing.