I homeschooled my 6 kids K - 12. They are all highly successful adults. They are now considering homeschooling their kids. I couldn’t be more grateful. Phases of Learning by Oliver DeMille, The Underground History of American Education by Gatto, and Free to Learn by Peter Gray are all excellent if you are considering homeschooling.
0:06: 🎓 Jeff Sandifer is an entrepreneur and Socratic teacher who has started multiple businesses and academic programs, including Acton Academy. 11:11: 📚 The speaker discusses the importance of faith and the case method in learning and decision-making. 21:58: 🏫 After being fired from their teaching positions, X and his wife started their own school, Acton Academy, with a mission to help every child find their calling and change the world. 33:49: 💡 The speaker discusses the concept of multiple intelligences and the importance of cognitive ability, but also emphasizes the value of building a tribe and providing a compelling story for individuals to excel regardless of their IQ. 44:10: 📚 The speaker discusses the effectiveness of 360 feedback in gaining valid criticism and praises the growth mindset approach in schools. 54:28: ✨ The importance of implementing control mechanisms to prevent toxic individuals from exploiting well-functioning systems. 1:05:40: 👥 The importance of gratitude, self-management, and self-governance in building a society and fostering personal growth. 1:15:45: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of developing a community ethos that regulates behavior in a positive manner through continuous experimentation and learning. 1:34:57: 🎓 Many colleges are seen as focusing on prestige rather than competence, leading some high schoolers to opt for apprenticeships or industry jobs instead. 1:36:31: 💡 The cost of education is high and the current system is inefficient, but alternative models can provide high-quality education at a lower cost. 1:47:01: 🎯 The higher education system is not helping people find their calling, so a new experiment is being conducted to help individuals discover their next great adventure in life. 1:57:30: 👥 The guest expresses gratitude for the impact of storytelling and archetypes on their work with young people. Recap by Tammy AI
Hello Dr Peterson. My name is Sharian. I’m not sure if you’ll ever see this comment but I have been wanting to say this to you for a long long time. Thank you Thank you for dedicating your life to help so many people improve themselves and to have a more positive outlook on life. Listening to your podcasts, speeches and interviews completely changed my perspective on life. You encouraged me to seek knowledge and to do better for myself. Showed me how to better express my love to my family and friends. And most importantly to forgive myself. Because of you I am in university now, studying. I am now looking forward to a day where I’ll be a mother. I didn’t even understand how truly valuable that was until i listened to you. So thank you. I hope to have the pleasure of meeting you one day Warm regards, Sharian
Totally agree at suddenly 79 yrs old, former teacher/school counselor for 42 yrs & sad/glad to have been a part of the deteriorating education system. Didn't get first degree until age 38 yrs. The curiosity of our younger generation will have to be fed so learning will move forward but the greatest battle is between good & evil. I pray often.
@@patiencefalters9024 I totally agree on your point re: battle between good and evil. It seems the foremost in where our country has gone awry. We have lost our moral compass.
Yeah. If I would have gone to a school like that when I was 6, it would have been a much better experience. I'm envious of you guys there in the USA that you have the oportunity to send your children and grand children to a school like that
@@HakaiKaien I’m in the US and envy the fact there isn’t one of these schools near me. I would literally go hungry, drive a beat up vehicle, anything it takes to get my granddaughter in this school. Public schools here are toxic. Plus we just had another school shooting.
My son is 19, he started his education in a steiner kindergarten that he absolutely loved going to. When he started mainstream school, he hated it, he used to cling to the bannister at home crying he didn't want to go. I called the school one morning to say its no good he won't be in school today and the teacher started to penalise me about how late he was yesterday, I explained because he needed calming down and reassuring before I could get him there and she responded with "my son used to be the same for 3 years, I felt like throwing myself in the canal but he is OK now" That was enough for me, I told her we are home educating as from today" and we never looked back.
I really appreciate my Steiner education now especially in later life. I realise I was taught to think and argue both sides and I just assumed the other schools did the same but I'm finding out they seemingly didn't. Also the focus on mythology was amazing.
Ma'am, may I ask (creator of the comment Seabreeze Designs) what is the "steiner" program? I am a young 30 year old mother, of a going on 2nd grader (daughter) and starting Kindergarten (son) who's tempted to remove them from school.... However, my kids are the type that thrive off of social lives, and being home would ruin their personality, but the schools are wack, and they truly aren't teaching future adult life skills, government skills, manners, discipline and plain academia is now dismissed. I'm searching for something that's the beat of both worlds. My kids also are above average on their current levels of academia. My 5 year old is doing beginners multination and my 7 year old is a bored in 1st grade. Not because of any special time spent teaching them at home, they just are that smart. I need to nurture this, and I am homeschooling them, I won't he able to educate them with the proper curricula at the fast pace they learn on. Thank you for reading all of this.
@@t.dub93 I think the "Steiner" program is most likely an American version of the works of the Austrian Rudolf Steiner. His philosophy of "Anthroposophie" is extremely popular in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is the foundation of teaching in the so called "Waldorfschools" / or "Free Schools", which are essentially open to the public but not controlled by the state. It's the biggest "franchise" of non-governmental schools in Germany.
This mans a genius and a hero. My younger brother had a hard time with reading. To the point public schools had put him in special reading classes for several years. Fortunately for me i never had that issue i was and still am a voracious reader. Im 32 now and still read at least a few chapters a day. But i watched my brother struggle with reading for several years in his middle school years. Im in high-school at the time and i had just had enough of it he was insanely quick with math of any kind so he was not by any means dumb r slow. I convinced him to come with me to the local library. And then i sat him down and asked what he was interested in. What kind of stories did he like what shows did he really enjoy. And then we went around and found him a couple smaller books, thay met his intrest, that were at low to middling reading level. This was all stuff i had read when i was much younger so i had an idea what they were and the level they were at. And it took him weeks to read those few books. But he read them. Something he had never managed before. Hed never managed to finish an actual book on his own time before. It was amazing to see. And then he came to me and asked to go find more books. By the end of the year he was reading at normal level. By 18months he was reading above his grade level and had surpased all of his reading issues. Intrest is absolutely KEY to a kids development. And public schools are near worthless at that. I was able to get my brother on a path to bettering himself and growing in less than a year when the school spent several years sticking him in special classes and seeing zero improvement for him. By simply seeing the problem and pushing him towards what interested him. And he did the rest. Work with your kids interests. If you can put those interests into relation to what you want them to learn and understand they will do the work for you. Your job is only to guide them on a very general direction and let them grow.
I was the same absolutely hated to read, one year my oldest sister got me a book which I immediately threw in a drawer and left for a couple years, then I got bored one day and opened the book I didn't put it down until I finished it, which probably took the better part of a week. That single book sparked a love of reading that could never have been forced, if I hadn't come to the book I don't think I would have fell in love with reading the same way.
My two grandaughters attended Montessori school until they were kicked out by NYS vac mandate in 2019. I asked my daughter if things changed politically, would they go back to school. She immediately said NO! No way! They are so happy and we are in charge of our day to day activities and interact w many other like minded homeschoolers. Best thing!
My daughter attended Montessori daycare for 4 years before she started kindergarten. She loved it. She will be graduating from college this year and wants to get montessori training.
@@bartbengal Sadly the majority of private and alternative education programs have been equally corrupted with the same terrible teaching methods and philosophy
@@bartbengal You revel with glee in the deconstruction of Madam Montessori's effort? Odd! I stand by my criticism. I fail to see anything delicious, as you continue to devour your "Just" dessert in front of me. Does this move us forward? Or further the divide. Yes, I understand your instinct to celebrate an "infuriating irony." The disappearance or dilution of the "real" Montessori schools is bad news for sure. The hope of early childhood learning is being hijacked as we speak. Just a another money grab masquerading as an another overdue Progressive Reform. It is not a laughing matter. It adds immensely to their entrenched strength. Our only option is to starve them out. Oh, I get it now, you are starving them out by eating THEIR dessert! Also, I am weak when it comes to appreciating metaphors of others. Only I can create good ones. Ha Ha!
I'm a fan of Classical Education. I'm so thankful we have a fantastic classical school in my city. I had never seen such engaged and cheerful students.
@@freigeist777 the classical approach is good for the mind and the soul. And you are right it may not be brain friendly as it will challenge your brain to engage in lofty ideas in a way you never thought possible.
@@haydencarn8737 I don't know why you think that? Unless you believe that any educational method is perfect for creating worker drones. In any case, I prefer methods that encourage students to ask questions and think deeply rather than the alternative. I have found Classical education to provide a framework that allows for very deep thinking. It seems that you have not?
20:09 "You only have to ask a stupid question once, if you listen to the answer." 57:27 "Those of us that are tough minded need to learn when to be warm hearted. The ones who are too warm hearted need to learn for their own good when to draw boundaries." 58:09 "They tell very small lies" 1:04:06 -- Heroes don't win; they persist. 1:04:19 -- "The 3 monsters are resistance, distraction, and victimhood." 1:04:50 -- "Gratitude is the only elixir to victimhood." 1:15:10 "Never do anything (for the person you're caring for) they can do themselves." 1:17:20 "We're going to do away with all but 3 rules, and if we want to put a rule back, the first thing we're gonna do is ask the person the rule is being instituted for, 'Why do you not want to be here?'" 1:21:31 "I want to give an answer as much as anybody else in the world sometimes, and I do sometimes -- I shouldn't, but it's much more powerful to say 'would you do A or B next?'" 1:23:16 "'Would you rather be right, or would you rather be curious?'" 1:27:19 "Introverts will talk, but their threshold for speaking is higher, and their lag time is longer." 1:31:24 "Did I contribute something meaningful? Was I a good person? Who did I love, and who loved me?" 1:31:46 "...black and white moral choice at 11 -- or maybe even 15. Around your 20's, 30's, or 40's, it's about 'Am I becoming who I was meant to become?'" 1:42:46 -- "We have 1 employee -- our staff is 1 for 300 campuses."
My wife and I are public school teachers, but as our first child is about to enter kindergarten we are at a crossroads. We don't want them entering into this system that we know so we. We've been dreaming of this exact thing being described, but i never knew it existed today. Great timing on this conversation for me.
Jeff Sandefer was my entrepreneurship prof at UT in 1994. One of the two best profs I ever had. This podcast episode is incredible. Highly recommend it.
@@whousa642 I'm meaning the in the most fundamental sense. Not in the literary, logos. It's the snakes in your head, making you afraid. And snakes symbolize evil in some real sense. And when on a plane, it combines fear of confined spaces with the fear of snakes and on top of that (puts hands on top of each other) the fear of dying from a plane crash. And you want to yell into the abyss; "Enough is enough. I've had it with these mothereffin snakes on this mothereffin plane!" But you are too paralysed by fear, so you cheer in relief when Samuel L Jackson does it for you. In some sense he is Jesus saving mankind from the snakes. Snakes on that plane. But it depends on what you mean by Jesus and dying. He did die. But came back. As a black man. In a movie. Fighting the evil snakes of time.
We home schooled our 3 adult daughters, for a myriad of reasons. I wasn't initially drawn to this video, but I'm so glad I gave it a chance. The Acton Academy sounds exactly like the way I wish I had been "educated". Public school succeeded in nearly killing my innate love of learning, something I'm only beginning to fully realize.
Too many people have been killed in schools. Unfortunately a lot of parents can't teach their children at home because of work, lack of insight, organization and patience. I remember my mom telling me one day that she was told not to teach any thing to the child at home. I never heard of a Steiner school. What is it like? Montessori were supposed to be very good. I would try to provide learning at home after school by giving my kids creative opportunities, work with a globe, and a lot of word play. Jr high/high school/ on top of several moves/ and dad's personality nearly ruined their lives. It's been a rough go but their intelligent enough now to get over the past... but the underlying triggers occasionally blow up. Both have complex self made careers in music composition, lyrics, drawing, painting, teaching, and a host of other skills.
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I’m currently in my last year of high school and I’m graduating from an Acton Academy! Unfortunately my one is closing, however the almost 2 years I’ve been in Acton I can say, with confidence, that my love for learning came back. I had a lot of ‘trauma’ I guess you can say from my previous schools. If you have an Acton near you I highly encourage taking a look to see if you and your family would like to take that step forward!
I'm a huge supporter of apprenticeships while people are still children. Children need to learn about what is available to them while they are very young. Too many people only see the closed doors long before they get an opportunity to explore. Hooray for Jeff Sandefer and his compadres.
This is one of the most inspiring and captivating pod I´ve ever watched. Two wonderful human beings discussing and sharing their experience and knowledge about educating children, one of the most important subject in society. Teachers all around the world, don´t miss this!
I taught myself how to read from Closed Captions on tv. I live in the worst schools system in the US. And was reading at a probably 6th grade level in 3rd.
(1:12:48) _When you're younger you just want your parents around and to pay attention to you, not coddle you. Just to be there. Once you get into middle school you're mostly around your peers and your parents job then is to be a good role model_ (1:31:0) _At the age of 60 most people ask the same 3 questions: Did I contribute something meaningful; Was I a good person; Who did I love and who loved me_ (1:31:49) _At around your 20s 30s or 40s the question is: Am I becoming who I was meant to become_ P.S. - It is good to see real entrepreneurial effort put into education, which slowly pulls the current system away from the Prussian factory model
As a mother of elementary, and preschool aged children, I am so impressed with everything I’ve heard here. I’ve been looking for something like this for my children, and I’m going to absolutely be considering this as an option for them.
I was a Montessori teacher for 11 years teaching 4-6 graders in a mixed age classroom. So glad to hear him acknowledging Montessori education as it has been often overlooked. Decades ahead of it's time. Would love for Jordan to look in to Montessori education and have a show about that as well.
I began homeschooling in 1983 when there was a real threat of arrest and very little direction. A group called Unschooler Network (?) advised me to proceed in a manner that would set good precedents. I had discovered by achievement testing that all students were a full year behind their 1963 counterparts. Probably the most important thing I learned was the importance of leading the children into a desire to learn and a commitment. The year spent in Montessori School was valuable. When I sought out teaching material I saw the deterioration of quality in textbooks. I can't imagine how poor the material is forty years later. (I made a set of vocabulary flashcards taken from the SAT goals. After working on the cards, I was able to speed read some books I thought the kids would enjoy. Highlighting and taking sample sententences from Dr. Who and Star Wars as well as biographies and stories of history that proved valuable. It's incredible how much time is wasted in public schools. You find there is time for fun learning, too. Even so, mothers today are committed to their own careers and the thought of sacrificing time and money by putting children first still isn't properly respected.
Thank you. I am a new mom and want my daughter to have the best education and life possible. I went through public school in NY, graduated in 2014, and witnessed so much suffering of those who did not fit into the system. One of my best teachers was in history and he had a “bs meter” which he would adjust with happy and angry faces to represent how he felt about what he was teaching that day.
I have, let's say, an unusually high IQ and bloody hated school. If I'd gone to your school, sir, I believe my parents would have had to pry me out of the classroom at the end of the day. God bless you both. Much love. May the next generations be empowered like no group of humans ever before
Jordan, I'm wondering if there is any way you could sit and discuss this topic with Gabor Maté, specifically emotional attachment and children. I have followed both your work and talks relating the impact of trauma in child development and noted the differences in both your approaches. The both of you are respected in this area and it would be really interesting to hear how you both diverge and agree on this important subject. A really interesting debate if you could make it happen?
I absolutely second this request. I find myself listening to what Dr Peterson says as far as adults are concerned, but for raising my two children I lean towards Dr Mate approach and mindset. I have to say that the two approaches are not just different in cosmetics, but really deeply fundamentally different. Hopefully Dr Peterson's team would consider such request :) Have a good day everybody :)
Unfortunately, I've found Dr. Mate to have a judgmental tone when referring to Jordan (he doesnt name him but obviously refers to him) and sometimes straw mans his ideas. For instance, he criticized Jordan for saying that children should not be comforted when having tantrums and instead be allowed to "return to normal" because comforting them will reinforce bad behavior. Gabor has said that children should be allowed to express negative emotion as it is their defrnse against the world. Theyre obviously referring to different things. Jordan has always advocated for "shadow" integration to become yoyr best self. What he meant by not allowing tantrums to be reinforced is obviously so that children learn how to communicate their emotions in a better manner instead of trying to use aggression. Gabor took this and distorted it to imply that Jordan says childrens emotions should be disregarded. He also takes an overly maternal, smothering approach almost instead of the balance between maternal care and paternal responsibility that Jordan advocates. So I dont think he'll come on if invited. I hope I'm wrong though.
@@tonyshine89 I agree but there seems to be a cut off point in the divergence of their approach. It's as though both men agree with the fundamental principles of theorists like piaget but draw different interpretations from the research. Peterson seems to take an expression of one's emotions in childhood as a task to be taken and understood by the child and Maté seems to gravitate towards suppression as detrimental to emotional development. Hopefully, they get to discuss it. Have a lovely day and thanks for your comment✌️
@@dranreb1118 Some great points indeed, however; others would be wonderful to hear both men speak and debate their ideas so that both could clarify the meaning of their interpretation of the childhood development theorists, as well as incorporating their own ideas based around their experiences as clinicians in psychological practice. Two wonderful scientists with two amazing back stories. I'm sure they'd remain friends after they spoke and clarified one another's points. Let's hope they come together to talk as it would be a great show.
@@dranreb1118 your observations are indeed true. I was quite disappointed when I heard the subtle Peterson reference by Mate when interviewed by Rogan. I actually disagree with Dr Peterson on the suggested time out during tantrums in a attempt to make the child learn social behaviour. I strongly agree that children learn social behaviour by the day to day behaviour of their parents and other grown ups around them. Doesnt matter if they throw tantrums due to their still underdeveloped brain, when they outgrow the phase of tantrums, then they will stop. So in this sense I disagree with Dr Peterson. In any case, there is a proper and respectful way to disagree and so far Dr Mate didnt cross that line, but is slowly getting there.
I'm an educator in Singapore and wow ... this conversation was loaded. Thank you for this. I plan to replay this a few times over on a podcast app just to make sure I can comprehend these ideas on a deeper level. Very awesome stuff
John Taylor Gatto’s book, “Dumbing Us Down,” is one of my absolute favorite books and one of two books (including Oliver DeMille’s “A Thomas Jefferson Education”) that convinced me to start homeschooling back in 2010. Thank you both for this wonderful discussion! 🙏🏻
@CZcams music yeah, I'm sure when you are faced with a generational debilitating depression/suicidal tendencies, your daughter facing terrible suffering, the world attacking your character and your career, and then your lifelong friend and wife gets cancer, you yourself in all your perfection would have rejected when docs say multiple times "this is safe and will help you through this very tough time."
@CZcams music that was JP's situation. He was in a very chaotic time in his life, with all of those problems I listed. His docs, who he trusted, recommended benzos. He took them thinking the docs knew what they were doing and had his best interest at heart. You throwing judgement on him without even knowing his story is even weirder.
I had a social studies education degree and when I started working, I saw how much the system was failing. I quit. I saw my own child getting a pink-slip for saying "Oooo look, a robin". My wife hears about Acton Academy and we decided to open one up this fall. We've struggled mightily with regulations. Our state had a director saying schools must be a non-profit (his own opinion maybe). After 6 months of challenging this, we finally hired an attorney to help and got the okay. During this time, Jeff was awesome and offered our franchise fees back if the state kept us from getting it done. Not only does he have a great model and business mind, but he's a great person as well.
@@chrisbolton1060 Franchise fees (15k one-time + 3% revenue yearly). You fill out an application, do a video and a few other things explaining who you are and why you want to do this (before you pay fees). You have a 2 day orientation. No certifications or degrees are necessary. It really comes down to "do you have the right attitude?" The bigger question is whether your state will allow it? Almost definitely, but what hoops will you have to go through. In North Dakota, it is necessary to have a licensed teacher which is largely anti-acton academy, but our guide that we are hiring loves the Acton model and is willing to let go of all that. There is also the non-profit vs for-profit which is roughly a 50/50 split from what I've heard is reported. There's alsp things like student to teacher/guide ratios and other rules to follow. If you're interested, I'd read Courage to Grow and look at school approval laws. Hopefully this helps give you some idea, but a lot of the model for the owners is the same as for learners/students...here's the resources, now figure it out.
Re: the Socratic method, this is something i've learned relatively recently. When someone comes to me with a problem I stop, listen, and ask questions. It's helped alot!
Peterson is so damn right about business/job opportunities. I have a business with about 30 employees and if some kid would come up to me and behave like they explained at 01:08:00 I'd be so damn thrilled I'd hire him immediately. A kid like that who's following up on his promises I'd show absolutely everything, open every door for him and give him every opportunity there is. Only problem is that no one EVER asks like this. Most of the time people dont even ask at all. Ask and the door will open. But apparently that line has been forgotten.
This is amazing. I have a degree in ECD and in Occupational Therapy. I work with the pediatrics population and between todays parenting and school structure our children are headed for disaster. However this podcast shed hope that these types of schoolscan empower future generations to be the problem solvers of the world while creating highly functional and cooperative cultures that inspire, motivate and create a better world. The Acton Academy sounds amazing and I’d love to be apart of this learning revolution. Wonderful people bringing true light to the future of your children. Love these two men today..insightful, understanding and powerful. And finally people who understand that college today could be a total financial waste of time. As education is important we are not skilling our children up to truly serve within our world today. I feel like we are lost in the get a good job and make good money mentality. But when you do what you love and serve who you feel passionate about serving, true success and monetary rewards will always follow. So many creative ways to turn passions and knowledge into profits and opportunities.
You are a beacon of light in a world that was succumbing to darkness. I believe we are moving more towards the light. Please keep doing what you are doing, because it is helping spread ripples of positivity throughout the world.
Timestamp: 43:40 An explanation of the 360 method of evaluation and helpful criticism, mention about difficulty evaluating middle management due to being removed from the end outcome. Interesting. Appreciative of the conversation and learning something new from this.
I'm following up with this immediately because the principles in this video aligned with me SO strongly it was like lightening down my spine. I've been SEARCHING. I am currently in grad school for Education Administration, but have never once pictured myself in the public schools because I disagree with them so strongly. I'm very entrepreneurial... this is destiny. Truly. I've never felt so invigorated, so RIGHT!
@@ShaunMcMillan decide what structures, systems, and organizations you're willing to subordinate your chaos energy to in order to be a part of it. And if you're truly beyond all possible skills of organization and management, then, just being a silent investor. 🤷♀️ otherwise, if you're going to be a leader, going to work with any others, you need the skills of administration (until or unless you can delegate all those tasks via an executive assistant, etc)
I highly recommend the book Summerhill by A.S.Neill. It will absolutely blow your mind and enthuse anyone with a passion for child learning. I promise you’ll not regret reading it. It was first given to me by a teacher when I was just 19. I’m now 52 and I’ll never underestimate the influence this book had on my life.
I was in Jeff's class at UT back in 1992. Best class and worst grade I got in school. I am so pleased to see how he has thrust himself into education and the philosophy of education. We ended up home schooling our kids for similar reasons that he did. I like his Acton Academy approach. I almost wish that I could start one myself. I just finished searching to see if there is an Acton Academy in Houston near my grandchildren. Not yet.
As a teacher seeing the education system in my country being messed up by ideologues and hypocrites, I would like to give dr. Peterson and his guest my heart felt thanks for sharing such an enlightening conversation. A lot of education psychology I learned I learned from dr. Peterson. Thank you for telling the truth about all those anti truth about problematic psychological constructs. It’s so eye-opening to learn from you.
Teach your kids Virtue, Humility and Kindness It dosn`t take much effort and works I have 12 grandkids and everyone I am proud of Strong enough to defend if need be and will always help anyone and value not only there own lives but those of others too
I am just finding this video, still viewing the introduction, but I just wanted to say how absolutely excited I am for this content. Our children deserve SO much more than we are giving them with public education.
Besides other fascinating moments of this dialogue,… pride vs virtue of humbleness, and admission of our own ignorance… how deep, liberating … thank you Sir! Will carry this wisdom till end of my life.
I have 1 kid at acton now in austin and about to have 3, they love it and all the parents have been ridiculously happy with the journey and results. Especially compared to the alternative
As parents of an almost kindergarten age child, we've been struggling with the decision of what education path we're going to take him down. I really wish there were a program like this near us.
Homeschooling is an option depending on where you live and how much one of you can earn while the other is home teaching. There is a lot of resources now for nontraditional teaching. I was Homeschooled by my mother and as a male I think I would have chafed at the bit if I was in a traditional school. I only spent 3-4 hours a day doing school and was just fine going to collage when I was 18. In fact my peers where unused to the freedom of collage and so did not do as well, I imagine this would have been the same situation in the real world. My family was middle class/ low middle during my childhood.
@@lexpox329 we really like the idea of homeschooling, but because of covid we weren't able to let him play with other kids very much and I really want him to be able to be around other kids more regularly. I worry a lot about what Dr. Peterson says about children being doomed to a rough life if they aren't properly socialized by the age of four and feel like we failed our son because of factors we couldn't control.
@@nyasupaa same here. My son had just turned two when covid started. I worry about socializing too, but I'm more worried about the public schools teaching CRT and gender ideology and focusing less on academic success.
@@nyasupaa I think we need to take a step back and look at the world before the advent of public school. By todays standards, nobody before the industrial revolution was socialized. How then did people get socialized? Read Gordon Neufeld's book "Hold on to your kids". Kids don't need 6 hours a day of public school to be "socialized". What they do need is a functioning family unit and healthy realtionships with other kids and adults in their community.
After finishing school and college, I am working at a bullet factory making money to pay off debts, buy essentials, and buy supplies for my hobby/business. I don't exactly love my job but it's a good fit for my autistic mind. I want to do something that fits my skills but I don't know anyone who can take the time to mentor me, besides I haven't been taught how to take risks and how to bounce back from a fall. I hope that more schools like Acton Academy hop up around the world and help kids that are different.
I just sent this to my daughter because of its implications for pulling together a great new company that's unique in the world. Such true ideas. Jordan, pretend red flag is up when Jeff is still speaking 😉
I used classic literature in comic form when my children were young, and we had audios of the Iliad and Odyssey, Beowulf and the legends of King Arthur which we played for them from age 3 on. This made them intimately familiar with the stories they later read.We still listen to audios. My now grown children gave me the audios of Heradotus, which I listen to before bed.
Hey, I just listened through this on Spotify and I just want to stop by and say it was really great to listen to. As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. (Proverbs 27,17) It's great to hear two already sharp irons sharpen each other. Thanks for taking us with you.
I worked at the The Acton School of Business when I was in college and The Acton Academy was not only humbling but inspirational! Those kids knew more than I ever did at their age and it was all due to exposure, thats all it really takes. The Socratic method is really powerful, it forces you to think and specifically for yourself. Expose them to what they need to know and they'll latch on naturally to what they are interested in, humans want to know things!
This was wonderful. I just can't believe these methods aren't tried and practiced in public institutions. I'm 29 years old and have felt public schools failed me growing up because I never cared for the ways things were taught.
CZcams does have a closed captioning feature. Though it isn't the greatest, unless you enjoy a random Mystery Science Theater vibe, at the most awkward moments 😅 but it would be awesome if they could add CC in the podcast ❤️
[ Chrome > Settings > Accessibility > Captions > Toggle the "Live Caption" to turn on. ] Once that's set, then turn the CZcams's volume on -- Then you'll have the live caption.
Another option is to turn on the Transcription. It will lay out the same CC but right beside the video live. I like it because I can skim through less interesting parts visually and quickly, or pause and see the complete idea instead of 2 lines at a time. Hope this helps.
I love you Mr. Peterson! I wish you were my father or uncle, someone that was close enough to me to influence me as a child. Your just amazing! So glad to see back.
Mr Peterson ... LOVE the new start of your pod cast...the music art and the decor of room. Beautiful and very classy. We appreciate you so much.. The planet needs you.
I’m on fire! As a teacher of high school/college level in Germany I see so many kids, mostly boys, who are opting out, or at least not living up to their potential, it has been breaking my heart forever. This truly is a revolution and there are no Acton academies in Germany just yet it would seem from the quick research I just did. Good Lord, this is so exciting! Who will join forces to start one?
That's interesting because when I heard the details about German schools, they sounded very good. The Germans are renowned for their practical, vocational training. I admit, I was a bit perturbed that the German system pre selects the academic ability of children at a young age with the Hauptschule, Realschule and Gymnasium system. I also am amazed that even to work in retail store, an employee has to go through years of apprenticeship.
@@fazole that's all true, but it's a far cry from the Acton academy system. I taught a debating club for several years and that was similar - I loved it. The usual lessons are still mostly top down and since schools of 500+ students have a single computer room with internet access you can't even let the students do research on their own very often. My old headmaster used to say, it's a 19th century system - and this Acton academy seems to be the 21st century answer to all the problems. I'm still dumbfounded by the simplicity and beauty of it, even though I don't understand it fully.
This was an amazing interview. I'm currently homeschooling 3 of my 5 kids and this challenged me and really got me thinking. I love your interviews, Jordan, and this might be the best one I've heard
I feel like I should have paid to watch this. There's so many valuable nuggets throughout this interview. Fantastic information between two brilliant minds.
Excellent advice. All the way through. I taught for 32 years. The lowest social economic kids in California. And pretty much taught like this the entire time. Second Language learners too. I learned all this from Marva Collins. Teacher from Chicago. Middle school is tough. Kids have a lot of established bad habits that come from home. “I’m not good at math, no one in my family is.” Yea that a No from this teacher. 😂. If you can keep them out of public school that’s best. Home School ! Most teachers don’t understand teaching this way. They just follow the pages of a book.
"The solution to inequality isn't equality. It's to have a wide enough variety of games so that everyone can have a game they're best at." This is one phenomenally good reason for lifelong monogamy -- each pair gets its own game to win, and ideally, you spend a lifetime getting better and better at it.
I don't know but this is I feel like the best I have listened to so far. I usually read subtitles but listening as an Asian felt so good, and it feels so good that I could have that adventure like it has always been portrayed in the archetypal motif
I did public education in Canada. They taught whole language. My Aunt in 2 minutes taught me phonic reading which opened many doors to my ability to read complex material. The math was taught by rote memorization and I had serious difficulty. A fellow student in 2 minutes taught me how to do addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, where after a whole year I otherwise learned nothing. My sons had it even worse. I taught them phonics and how to do math correctly. They could read way above their level, and one of my sons could do 30 minutes math exams in 3 minutes and almost always get 100%. The teacher was spectacularly impressed with his improvement and asked me to publish the math java-script on a web page. I did, and told him to teach the other students how to do the math properly and make it into a competition. Soon all the children who used the app were also doing spectacularly well in math. The teacher asked me if she could get the school board to approve the use of the app too. I said yes. My son told me that later the school board banned my whole web site from being accessed by students.
Thank you, Dr Peterson and Jeff Sandefer for this interview and for everything you do! We were about to open a "different" school "from scratch" but now we are launching an Acton Academy in Bulgaria - stepping on the shoulders of giants... It was almost a mirracle to hear this interview shortly after the moment we said to ourselves (after 2 years of hard times and searching) : "no compromises with the future of our kids - if we have to do the best school in the world ourselves then we do the best school"! Fuuny enough, the 2 words that became our guides were Freedom and Responsibility. We are waiting forward to meet you in Sofia very soon, Dr Peterson!
I love how his "tribebuilding" seems to uphold the working theory on which we've been operating that the trialogue facilitates scaffolding across individuals with the various ways of being smart. Good stuff, Doc. We're changing education & the even the world.
Jordan I respect your work and serious discussions with amazing guess Jeff Sandefer. I have a tough time when I used to go to school and with my mom. So now i'm learning how things work so I can get through hard times.
Thank you for allowing me to view this excellent discussion ! My favourite yet ! ( I’m 16 weeks pregnant and looking forward to education and parenthood )
I made the firm decision recently that public schooling will not be the course for my child. It'll be more work and effort, and I'm working on becoming more structured to accommodate and succeed in this responsibility. I believe it's entirely my job as a parent to teach her and assure she knows what she needs to. The thought of sending her to public school is truly a nightmare, the environment and social climate are, in my honest opinion, deadly poison.
Good for you!! Ive homeschooled for the past 10 years and will continue to do so. I have found its one of the best things you can do for your children, and it is very rewarding. My kids have never stepped foot in a public school. All my kids are where they should be when they test. Two of them are a whole grade level ahead and flourishing. They test higher than the public school kids on the standardized tests they do every other year. You've got this!
@Rocky Mountain Homestead with Angela I was homeschooled along with my brother, aside from three years I went to public. I chose to come back home after 4th grade, I just couldn't do it. It was not a good environment for me to effectively learn, at all. We had the same experience of being further along than kids in public school. I really believe it's the best way to teach our kids! I'm happy you've had success and been able to do it for yours 😊 💕
@Rocky Mountain Homestead with Angela Is good to hear such successful stories, experiences, and benefits of home schooling. I have been considering homeschooling my two children for some time now, but I feel so unprepared for it. Both of my kids were in private school and now are attending public school. I honestly don't think there's much difference between the two. I feel like my kids are lacking behind even with us supplementing. Any suggestions or programs that could help me best prepared for homeschooling my children? Thank you.
My siblings and I home schooled. I can tell you that we all advance academically in different ways but we were well equipped for successful lives. In collage I was top of my class and found it less strenuous than homeschooling. My wife was a teacher before we were married and we made the decision to homeschool our two sons also. Education is a hard road to travel but investment in the best for our children is very rewarding. Undoubtedly someone will tell you that social skills will suffer but if your family is social your children will be also and the social skills of public schoolers are honestly over rated and more in line with social disorders than skills.
@@jimmyx44 I homeschooled my four children. Here are a few tips: 1. You got this, you are miles ahead of the game. You've already been teaching your child from birth. They're already accustomed to learning from you. 2. Because your children have attended school, You first have to detox your children from the school system's way of learning. Research this on homeschool blog sites. It can be the most difficult part. 3. Don't try to copy the school model of classroom teaching. It is the most inefficient method of teaching. You want to make "lectures" more like open conversations with demonstrations. Don't grade them, just try to guide them when they make a mistake. Don't worry about pace. 4. Especially, if they are young try to tailor what you want to teach around their interest. There is math, writing, science, and art in just about every interest. Daily activities as well. Cooking is great for teaching fractions. Not only can you teach about recipes (1/4 cup of this and 1/2 cup of that) but also try asking a 7-year-old if they want a 1/8th of a piece of a cake or a 1/16th. They almost always say 1/16th because they know 16 is bigger than 8. 5. Very Important. Spend no more than 2hrs daily on personal instruction. Set a daily routine. Really, this is all they need but you should do it around the same time every day and every. single. day. Learning for a child is not a chore or a job.. it's as natural and necessary as breathing, they shouldn't want or need any breaks from it. 6. If you tailor the conversation-style sessions to your child's interest this will be a time your child looks forward to. Encourage them to do research on their own. If they ask a question, give them just enough to look it up instead of the answer. Then have them share with you what they found. This fosters independence and encourages curiosity. Think of it as the equivalent of teaching a man to fish instead of giving him a fish. 7. There will be things you don't know much about. Learn it with them. Some people try to prepare for lessons to teach their children by learning unfamiliar or forgotten subjects ahead of time. Don't do this. Just admit to them that you don't know everything or it's been a long time. Discuss it as you're both learning it. This is great because not only are you helping them learn the subject matter but you're teaching them how to learn. My daughter's knowledge of business and economics outpaced mine at about 13. She operates and runs her own business now. My son's knowledge in advanced mathematics and physics outpaced mine at about 15, he's a structural engineer now. 8. Homeschooling doesn't have to be expensive. My daughter uses an online curriculum as a guide for $25 / month. When my grandchildren were very young they would spend hours playing ABCMouse and other apps designed to help with learning to read. There are tons of inexpensive or free apps on google play for children. I homeschooled my children before the internet. To get textbooks I would go to book fairs or buy them used from the local college. Dollar tree has some really good workbooks for young children. Walmart sells workbooks too for primary school-aged children. But then there's the internet.. 9. Research the laws pertaining to homeschooling for your state. But no matter what the state laws are, keep a copy of all of your child's output. The system will from time to time go after homeschoolers. 10. Don't worry about socialization. As long as you're not a hermit living in a cave or keep your children locked in a basement they will get plenty of social interaction. If you're concerned about it and they are little take them to the playground when other children are playing there. If they're older, encourage them to join in activities or groups that interest them. Model good social behavior.
John Taylor Gatto not Paul Gotti: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto
His book “Dumbing Us Down” is incredible! I had to read it a few times because it was so good and full of interesting thought.
I spent like 10 minutes looking him up, found it and then found this comment 😅
THANK YOU!!! I've been searching for it.
Gatto's book "The Underground History of American Education" is fantastic. An absolute must read for any American, even if you were homeschooler.
Gotta love NY ❤️
I homeschooled my 6 kids K - 12. They are all highly successful adults. They are now considering homeschooling their kids. I couldn’t be more grateful. Phases of Learning by Oliver DeMille, The Underground History of American Education by Gatto, and Free to Learn by Peter Gray are all excellent if you are considering homeschooling.
Did you stick with a specific curriculum?
Thank you so much! I'm considering this myself and have been trying to figure out where to start my education on the subject.
Agreed. Those are all excellent books
Any other info? I'm planning to homeschool when my kids reach school age but have no idea what I'm doing 😅
I homeschool .. 3 at home, 4 graduated now…
Love this interview.
0:06: 🎓 Jeff Sandifer is an entrepreneur and Socratic teacher who has started multiple businesses and academic programs, including Acton Academy.
11:11: 📚 The speaker discusses the importance of faith and the case method in learning and decision-making.
21:58: 🏫 After being fired from their teaching positions, X and his wife started their own school, Acton Academy, with a mission to help every child find their calling and change the world.
33:49: 💡 The speaker discusses the concept of multiple intelligences and the importance of cognitive ability, but also emphasizes the value of building a tribe and providing a compelling story for individuals to excel regardless of their IQ.
44:10: 📚 The speaker discusses the effectiveness of 360 feedback in gaining valid criticism and praises the growth mindset approach in schools.
54:28: ✨ The importance of implementing control mechanisms to prevent toxic individuals from exploiting well-functioning systems.
1:05:40: 👥 The importance of gratitude, self-management, and self-governance in building a society and fostering personal growth.
1:15:45: 🗣 The speaker discusses the importance of developing a community ethos that regulates behavior in a positive manner through continuous experimentation and learning.
1:34:57: 🎓 Many colleges are seen as focusing on prestige rather than competence, leading some high schoolers to opt for apprenticeships or industry jobs instead.
1:36:31: 💡 The cost of education is high and the current system is inefficient, but alternative models can provide high-quality education at a lower cost.
1:47:01: 🎯 The higher education system is not helping people find their calling, so a new experiment is being conducted to help individuals discover their next great adventure in life.
1:57:30: 👥 The guest expresses gratitude for the impact of storytelling and archetypes on their work with young people.
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Hello Dr Peterson. My name is Sharian. I’m not sure if you’ll ever see this comment but I have been wanting to say this to you for a long long time.
Thank you
Thank you for dedicating your life to help so many people improve themselves and to have a more positive outlook on life.
Listening to your podcasts, speeches and interviews completely changed my perspective on life. You encouraged me to seek knowledge and to do better for myself. Showed me how to better express my love to my family and friends. And most importantly to forgive myself.
Because of you I am in university now, studying.
I am now looking forward to a day where I’ll be a mother. I didn’t even understand how truly valuable that was until i listened to you.
So thank you.
I hope to have the pleasure of meeting you one day
Warm regards,
Sharian
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Best of luck Rose!!
@@SamJones-ql3ze thank you so much💖
I love this comment so much and got an even bigger blessing when I saw Jordan responded! ❤❤❤
This is the part of humanity that brings me joy!
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Omg not this…. 🍭
I am suddenly so very sorry to be 81 years old. To have been able to be part of this marvelous program would have been so satisfying .
Totally agree at suddenly 79 yrs old, former teacher/school counselor for 42 yrs & sad/glad to have been a part of the deteriorating education system. Didn't get first degree until age 38 yrs. The curiosity of our younger generation will have to be fed so learning will move forward but the greatest battle is between good & evil. I pray often.
@@patiencefalters9024 I totally agree on your point re: battle between good and evil. It seems the foremost in where our country has gone awry. We have lost our moral compass.
Yeah. If I would have gone to a school like that when I was 6, it would have been a much better experience. I'm envious of you guys there in the USA that you have the oportunity to send your children and grand children to a school like that
@@HakaiKaien I’m in the US and envy the fact there isn’t one of these schools near me. I would literally go hungry, drive a beat up vehicle, anything it takes to get my granddaughter in this school. Public schools here are toxic. Plus we just had another school shooting.
Those Texans are so innovative. Another example of how individual freedom beats central control.
My son is 19, he started his education in a steiner kindergarten that he absolutely loved going to. When he started mainstream school, he hated it, he used to cling to the bannister at home crying he didn't want to go. I called the school one morning to say its no good he won't be in school today and the teacher started to penalise me about how late he was yesterday, I explained because he needed calming down and reassuring before I could get him there and she responded with "my son used to be the same for 3 years, I felt like throwing myself in the canal but he is OK now" That was enough for me, I told her we are home educating as from today" and we never looked back.
I really appreciate my Steiner education now especially in later life. I realise I was taught to think and argue both sides and I just assumed the other schools did the same but I'm finding out they seemingly didn't. Also the focus on mythology was amazing.
Ma'am, may I ask (creator of the comment Seabreeze Designs) what is the "steiner" program? I am a young 30 year old mother, of a going on 2nd grader (daughter) and starting Kindergarten (son) who's tempted to remove them from school....
However, my kids are the type that thrive off of social lives, and being home would ruin their personality, but the schools are wack, and they truly aren't teaching future adult life skills, government skills, manners, discipline and plain academia is now dismissed. I'm searching for something that's the beat of both worlds.
My kids also are above average on their current levels of academia. My 5 year old is doing beginners multination and my 7 year old is a bored in 1st grade. Not because of any special time spent teaching them at home, they just are that smart. I need to nurture this, and I am homeschooling them, I won't he able to educate them with the proper curricula at the fast pace they learn on.
Thank you for reading all of this.
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@@t.dub93 I think the "Steiner" program is most likely an American version of the works of the Austrian Rudolf Steiner. His philosophy of "Anthroposophie" is extremely popular in Germany, Austria and Switzerland and is the foundation of teaching in the so called "Waldorfschools" / or "Free Schools", which are essentially open to the public but not controlled by the state. It's the biggest "franchise" of non-governmental schools in Germany.
Beth here ...i wish I were 30 years younger! This fires me up and puts hope into my life for the children of this world!
This mans a genius and a hero. My younger brother had a hard time with reading. To the point public schools had put him in special reading classes for several years. Fortunately for me i never had that issue i was and still am a voracious reader. Im 32 now and still read at least a few chapters a day. But i watched my brother struggle with reading for several years in his middle school years. Im in high-school at the time and i had just had enough of it he was insanely quick with math of any kind so he was not by any means dumb r slow. I convinced him to come with me to the local library. And then i sat him down and asked what he was interested in. What kind of stories did he like what shows did he really enjoy. And then we went around and found him a couple smaller books, thay met his intrest, that were at low to middling reading level. This was all stuff i had read when i was much younger so i had an idea what they were and the level they were at. And it took him weeks to read those few books. But he read them. Something he had never managed before. Hed never managed to finish an actual book on his own time before. It was amazing to see. And then he came to me and asked to go find more books. By the end of the year he was reading at normal level. By 18months he was reading above his grade level and had surpased all of his reading issues.
Intrest is absolutely KEY to a kids development. And public schools are near worthless at that. I was able to get my brother on a path to bettering himself and growing in less than a year when the school spent several years sticking him in special classes and seeing zero improvement for him. By simply seeing the problem and pushing him towards what interested him. And he did the rest.
Work with your kids interests. If you can put those interests into relation to what you want them to learn and understand they will do the work for you. Your job is only to guide them on a very general direction and let them grow.
What an amazing gift you gave to your brother.
Being a mentor is such a privilege and a very gratifying and joyful thing to watch your "fledgling" finally take flight. 😊👍👏👏👏
What an amazing brother you are!
That gave me an idea to handle an issue with my 5yo boy.
God bless you and your family! 😘
Those Texans are so innovative. Another example of how individual freedom beats central control.
I was the same absolutely hated to read, one year my oldest sister got me a book which I immediately threw in a drawer and left for a couple years, then I got bored one day and opened the book I didn't put it down until I finished it, which probably took the better part of a week. That single book sparked a love of reading that could never have been forced, if I hadn't come to the book I don't think I would have fell in love with reading the same way.
My two grandaughters attended Montessori school until they were kicked out by NYS vac mandate in 2019. I asked my daughter if things changed politically, would they go back to school. She immediately said NO! No way! They are so happy and we are in charge of our day to day activities and interact w many other like minded homeschoolers. Best thing!
There's a delicious and infuriating irony in a montessori school kicking out students that don't go along with the mainstream narrative
My daughter attended Montessori daycare for 4 years before she started kindergarten. She loved it. She will be graduating from college this year and wants to get montessori training.
@@bartbengal Sadly the majority of private and alternative education programs have been equally corrupted with the same terrible teaching methods and philosophy
@@bartbengal You revel with glee in the deconstruction of Madam Montessori's effort? Odd!
I stand by my criticism. I fail to see anything delicious, as you continue to devour your "Just" dessert in front of me. Does this move us forward? Or further the divide. Yes, I understand your instinct to celebrate an "infuriating irony."
The disappearance or dilution of the "real" Montessori schools is bad news for sure. The hope of early childhood learning is being hijacked as we speak. Just a another money grab masquerading as an another overdue Progressive Reform. It is not a laughing matter. It adds immensely to their entrenched strength. Our only option is to starve them out.
Oh, I get it now, you are starving them out by eating THEIR dessert!
Also, I am weak when it comes to appreciating metaphors of others. Only I can create good ones. Ha Ha!
@@edskhoole Just cause irony is delicious doesn't mean it's desirable
I'm a fan of Classical Education. I'm so thankful we have a fantastic classical school in my city. I had never seen such engaged and cheerful students.
What school? I studied classical literature and theology at Knox Theological Seminary and it changed my life.
There are better, more brain friendly methods to comprehend than with the classical approach
@@freigeist777 the classical approach is good for the mind and the soul. And you are right it may not be brain friendly as it will challenge your brain to engage in lofty ideas in a way you never thought possible.
@@haydencarn8737 I don't know why you think that? Unless you believe that any educational method is perfect for creating worker drones. In any case, I prefer methods that encourage students to ask questions and think deeply rather than the alternative. I have found Classical education to provide a framework that allows for very deep thinking. It seems that you have not?
@@freigeist777 what do you mean by "brain friendly"? Less rigorous?
20:09 "You only have to ask a stupid question once, if you listen to the answer."
57:27 "Those of us that are tough minded need to learn when to be warm hearted. The ones who are too warm hearted need to learn for their own good when to draw boundaries."
58:09 "They tell very small lies"
1:04:06 -- Heroes don't win; they persist.
1:04:19 -- "The 3 monsters are resistance, distraction, and victimhood."
1:04:50 -- "Gratitude is the only elixir to victimhood."
1:15:10 "Never do anything (for the person you're caring for) they can do themselves."
1:17:20 "We're going to do away with all but 3 rules, and if we want to put a rule back, the first thing we're gonna do is ask the person the rule is being instituted for, 'Why do you not want to be here?'"
1:21:31 "I want to give an answer as much as anybody else in the world sometimes, and I do sometimes -- I shouldn't, but it's much more powerful to say 'would you do A or B next?'"
1:23:16 "'Would you rather be right, or would you rather be curious?'"
1:27:19 "Introverts will talk, but their threshold for speaking is higher, and their lag time is longer."
1:31:24 "Did I contribute something meaningful? Was I a good person? Who did I love, and who loved me?"
1:31:46 "...black and white moral choice at 11 -- or maybe even 15. Around your 20's, 30's, or 40's, it's about 'Am I becoming who I was meant to become?'"
1:42:46 -- "We have 1 employee -- our staff is 1 for 300 campuses."
you are a total peach for these timestamps. 😊 much appreciated
My wife and I are public school teachers, but as our first child is about to enter kindergarten we are at a crossroads. We don't want them entering into this system that we know so we. We've been dreaming of this exact thing being described, but i never knew it existed today. Great timing on this conversation for me.
Get a new job.
@Mrs Winston Smithwomen aren’t teaching girls to make false rape claims what are you on?
@Mrs Winston Smith the evil women who lie about that are a minority it isn’t normal
@Mrs Winston Smith As a mother to a daughter and sons, I am one who has NOT taught that garbage to my daughter.
@mrswinstonsmith No, definitely not "all of us." Please do not speak for others.
Jeff Sandefer was my entrepreneurship prof at UT in 1994. One of the two best profs I ever had. This podcast episode is incredible. Highly recommend it.
This is an interesting episode and a fascinating guest. Kind of wish I could have heard it without JBPs talking points.
@@justanothernick3984 then, make your own damn free videos
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Watch your tongue, Jesus is listening.
@@justanothernick3984 rabbi Jesus could not even save his own life. He got tortured to death.
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I'm meaning the in the most fundamental sense. Not in the literary, logos. It's the snakes in your head, making you afraid. And snakes symbolize evil in some real sense. And when on a plane, it combines fear of confined spaces with the fear of snakes and on top of that (puts hands on top of each other) the fear of dying from a plane crash. And you want to yell into the abyss; "Enough is enough. I've had it with these mothereffin snakes on this mothereffin plane!" But you are too paralysed by fear, so you cheer in relief when Samuel L Jackson does it for you.
In some sense he is Jesus saving mankind from the snakes. Snakes on that plane.
But it depends on what you mean by Jesus and dying. He did die. But came back. As a black man. In a movie. Fighting the evil snakes of time.
We home schooled our 3 adult daughters, for a myriad of reasons. I wasn't initially drawn to this video, but I'm so glad I gave it a chance. The Acton Academy sounds exactly like the way I wish I had been "educated". Public school succeeded in nearly killing my innate love of learning, something I'm only beginning to fully realize.
Oh my god me too. I never knew i had a love for learning until revently. And im starting believe that maybe im smart lol! 🤯😂
Too many people have been killed in schools. Unfortunately a lot of parents can't teach their children at home because of work, lack of insight, organization and patience. I remember my mom telling me one day that she was told not to teach any thing to the child at home.
I never heard of a Steiner school. What is it like? Montessori were supposed to be very good. I would try to provide learning at home after school by giving my kids creative opportunities, work with a globe, and a lot of word play. Jr high/high school/ on top of several moves/ and dad's personality nearly ruined their lives. It's been a rough go but their intelligent enough now to get over the past... but the underlying triggers occasionally blow up. Both have complex self made careers in music composition, lyrics, drawing, painting, teaching, and a host of other skills.
Teachers should at least be able to use myriad correctly.
@@sixsicxsicks666 He did use it correctly.
I'm studying teaching and I'm absolutely charmed at how Dr Peterson is able to deliver speech. I hope one day I can be as capable as you doc.
Can't wait for the experience
I hope you go far . 👍
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Very proud to be an Acton Academy student!
I’m currently in my last year of high school and I’m graduating from an Acton Academy! Unfortunately my one is closing, however the almost 2 years I’ve been in Acton I can say, with confidence, that my love for learning came back. I had a lot of ‘trauma’ I guess you can say from my previous schools. If you have an Acton near you I highly encourage taking a look to see if you and your family would like to take that step forward!
I'm a huge supporter of apprenticeships while people are still children. Children need to learn about what is available to them while they are very young. Too many people only see the closed doors long before they get an opportunity to explore. Hooray for Jeff Sandefer and his compadres.
I think the mentor-apprentice model is how humans actually learn best.
This is one of the most inspiring and captivating pod I´ve ever watched. Two wonderful human beings discussing and sharing their experience and knowledge about educating children, one of the most important subject in society. Teachers all around the world, don´t miss this!
Very young children love reading menus! At age 2 1/2 my son read "fish and chips" on the kids menu at a restaurant. Motivation is key.
Our grandson read the newspaper on sports with his dad and older brother each morning before learning to read in school.
I taught myself how to read from Closed Captions on tv. I live in the worst schools system in the US. And was reading at a probably 6th grade level in 3rd.
@@annbrucepineda8093 my parents taught me to read before I was 3. I bless them for that every day.
The older we get the more we forget how smart we were as children
(1:12:48) _When you're younger you just want your parents around and to pay attention to you, not coddle you. Just to be there. Once you get into middle school you're mostly around your peers and your parents job then is to be a good role model_
(1:31:0) _At the age of 60 most people ask the same 3 questions: Did I contribute something meaningful; Was I a good person; Who did I love and who loved me_
(1:31:49) _At around your 20s 30s or 40s the question is: Am I becoming who I was meant to become_
P.S. - It is good to see real entrepreneurial effort put into education, which slowly pulls the current system away from the Prussian factory model
As a mother of elementary, and preschool aged children, I am so impressed with everything I’ve heard here. I’ve been looking for something like this for my children, and I’m going to absolutely be considering this as an option for them.
Teach your kids to be bigots. Good luck
Same!
Highly recommend Montessori if this is unavailable in your area. Much of this is definitely based on Montessori education.
I was a Montessori teacher for 11 years teaching 4-6 graders in a mixed age classroom. So glad to hear him acknowledging Montessori education as it has been often overlooked. Decades ahead of it's time. Would love for Jordan to look in to Montessori education and have a show about that as well.
I began homeschooling in 1983 when there was a real threat of arrest and very little direction. A group called Unschooler Network (?) advised me to proceed in a manner that would set good precedents. I had discovered by achievement testing that all students were a full year behind their 1963 counterparts. Probably the most important thing I learned was the importance of leading the children into a desire to learn and a commitment. The year spent in Montessori School was valuable. When I sought out teaching material I saw the deterioration of quality in textbooks. I can't imagine how poor the material is forty years later. (I made a set of vocabulary flashcards taken from the SAT goals. After working on the cards, I was able to speed read some books I thought the kids would enjoy. Highlighting and taking sample sententences from Dr. Who and Star Wars as well as biographies and stories of history that proved valuable. It's incredible how much time is wasted in public schools. You find there is time for fun learning, too. Even so, mothers today are committed to their own careers and the thought of sacrificing time and money by putting children first still isn't properly respected.
I really like the one on one setting without visible mics or earbuds.
Content speaks for itself. Thank you both.
Thank you. I am a new mom and want my daughter to have the best education and life possible. I went through public school in NY, graduated in 2014, and witnessed so much suffering of those who did not fit into the system. One of my best teachers was in history and he had a “bs meter” which he would adjust with happy and angry faces to represent how he felt about what he was teaching that day.
I LOVE THAT!!!
I have, let's say, an unusually high IQ and bloody hated school. If I'd gone to your school, sir, I believe my parents would have had to pry me out of the classroom at the end of the day. God bless you both. Much love. May the next generations be empowered like no group of humans ever before
You can tell when JP has someone good on when he listens as much as he speaks.
Great conversation
Please turn on captions it is helpful for those who haven't english native language 🙏
Good dialogue is key - teach your kids to engage in meaningful conversation.
Jordan, I'm wondering if there is any way you could sit and discuss this topic with Gabor Maté, specifically emotional attachment and children. I have followed both your work and talks relating the impact of trauma in child development and noted the differences in both your approaches. The both of you are respected in this area and it would be really interesting to hear how you both diverge and agree on this important subject. A really interesting debate if you could make it happen?
I absolutely second this request. I find myself listening to what Dr Peterson says as far as adults are concerned, but for raising my two children I lean towards Dr Mate approach and mindset. I have to say that the two approaches are not just different in cosmetics, but really deeply fundamentally different. Hopefully Dr Peterson's team would consider such request :) Have a good day everybody :)
Unfortunately, I've found Dr. Mate to have a judgmental tone when referring to Jordan (he doesnt name him but obviously refers to him) and sometimes straw mans his ideas. For instance, he criticized Jordan for saying that children should not be comforted when having tantrums and instead be allowed to "return to normal" because comforting them will reinforce bad behavior. Gabor has said that children should be allowed to express negative emotion as it is their defrnse against the world. Theyre obviously referring to different things. Jordan has always advocated for "shadow" integration to become yoyr best self. What he meant by not allowing tantrums to be reinforced is obviously so that children learn how to communicate their emotions in a better manner instead of trying to use aggression. Gabor took this and distorted it to imply that Jordan says childrens emotions should be disregarded. He also takes an overly maternal, smothering approach almost instead of the balance between maternal care and paternal responsibility that Jordan advocates. So I dont think he'll come on if invited. I hope I'm wrong though.
@@tonyshine89 I agree but there seems to be a cut off point in the divergence of their approach. It's as though both men agree with the fundamental principles of theorists like piaget but draw different interpretations from the research. Peterson seems to take an expression of one's emotions in childhood as a task to be taken and understood by the child and Maté seems to gravitate towards suppression as detrimental to emotional development. Hopefully, they get to discuss it. Have a lovely day and thanks for your comment✌️
@@dranreb1118 Some great points indeed, however; others would be wonderful to hear both men speak and debate their ideas so that both could clarify the meaning of their interpretation of the childhood development theorists, as well as incorporating their own ideas based around their experiences as clinicians in psychological practice. Two wonderful scientists with two amazing back stories. I'm sure they'd remain friends after they spoke and clarified one another's points. Let's hope they come together to talk as it would be a great show.
@@dranreb1118 your observations are indeed true. I was quite disappointed when I heard the subtle Peterson reference by Mate when interviewed by Rogan. I actually disagree with Dr Peterson on the suggested time out during tantrums in a attempt to make the child learn social behaviour. I strongly agree that children learn social behaviour by the day to day behaviour of their parents and other grown ups around them. Doesnt matter if they throw tantrums due to their still underdeveloped brain, when they outgrow the phase of tantrums, then they will stop. So in this sense I disagree with Dr Peterson. In any case, there is a proper and respectful way to disagree and so far Dr Mate didnt cross that line, but is slowly getting there.
JP just keeps on introducing me to incredible people, time after time. 👍
I'm an educator in Singapore and wow ... this conversation was loaded. Thank you for this. I plan to replay this a few times over on a podcast app just to make sure I can comprehend these ideas on a deeper level. Very awesome stuff
John Taylor Gatto’s book, “Dumbing Us Down,” is one of my absolute favorite books and one of two books (including Oliver DeMille’s “A Thomas Jefferson Education”) that convinced me to start homeschooling back in 2010.
Thank you both for this wonderful discussion! 🙏🏻
So it’s John Gator not Paul Gotti.. thanks. Searches kept resulting in the Mafia Gangster 😮😅
Same!!
thank you for citing the book! was having trouble finding it through search
@CZcams music yeah, I'm sure when you are faced with a generational debilitating depression/suicidal tendencies, your daughter facing terrible suffering, the world attacking your character and your career, and then your lifelong friend and wife gets cancer, you yourself in all your perfection would have rejected when docs say multiple times "this is safe and will help you through this very tough time."
@CZcams music that was JP's situation. He was in a very chaotic time in his life, with all of those problems I listed. His docs, who he trusted, recommended benzos. He took them thinking the docs knew what they were doing and had his best interest at heart.
You throwing judgement on him without even knowing his story is even weirder.
We home schooled our kiddos. When teen years arrived, we enrolled her into Acton, and it was the best decision we ever made!
Ohhh I with we had an Acton too!
I homeschool now.
OUTSTANDING interview. Already started looking in to where Acton Academies are.
I had a social studies education degree and when I started working, I saw how much the system was failing. I quit.
I saw my own child getting a pink-slip for saying "Oooo look, a robin". My wife hears about Acton Academy and we decided to open one up this fall.
We've struggled mightily with regulations. Our state had a director saying schools must be a non-profit (his own opinion maybe). After 6 months of challenging this, we finally hired an attorney to help and got the okay.
During this time, Jeff was awesome and offered our franchise fees back if the state kept us from getting it done. Not only does he have a great model and business mind, but he's a great person as well.
What was the process of starting one of these academies? Do they require certain degrees or certifications from someone trying to start their own?
@@chrisbolton1060 Franchise fees (15k one-time + 3% revenue yearly). You fill out an application, do a video and a few other things explaining who you are and why you want to do this (before you pay fees). You have a 2 day orientation.
No certifications or degrees are necessary. It really comes down to "do you have the right attitude?"
The bigger question is whether your state will allow it? Almost definitely, but what hoops will you have to go through. In North Dakota, it is necessary to have a licensed teacher which is largely anti-acton academy, but our guide that we are hiring loves the Acton model and is willing to let go of all that. There is also the non-profit vs for-profit which is roughly a 50/50 split from what I've heard is reported. There's alsp things like student to teacher/guide ratios and other rules to follow. If you're interested, I'd read Courage to Grow and look at school approval laws.
Hopefully this helps give you some idea, but a lot of the model for the owners is the same as for learners/students...here's the resources, now figure it out.
@@michaelkoska4084 thanks for the information and good luck to yourself!
@@chrisbolton1060 Thanks! Good luck to you as well!
Re: the Socratic method, this is something i've learned relatively recently. When someone comes to me with a problem I stop, listen, and ask questions. It's helped alot!
Peterson is so damn right about business/job opportunities. I have a business with about 30 employees and if some kid would come up to me and behave like they explained at 01:08:00 I'd be so damn thrilled I'd hire him immediately. A kid like that who's following up on his promises I'd show absolutely everything, open every door for him and give him every opportunity there is. Only problem is that no one EVER asks like this. Most of the time people dont even ask at all. Ask and the door will open. But apparently that line has been forgotten.
This is amazing. I have a degree in ECD and in Occupational Therapy. I work with the pediatrics population and between todays parenting and school structure our children are headed for disaster. However this podcast shed hope that these types of schoolscan empower future generations to be the problem solvers of the world while creating highly functional and cooperative cultures that inspire, motivate and create a better world. The Acton Academy sounds amazing and I’d love to be apart of this learning revolution. Wonderful people bringing true light to the future of your children. Love these two men today..insightful, understanding and powerful. And finally people who understand that college today could be a total financial waste of time. As education is important we are not skilling our children up to truly serve within our world today. I feel like we are lost in the get a good job and make good money mentality. But when you do what you love and serve who you feel passionate about serving, true success and monetary rewards will always follow. So many creative ways to turn passions and knowledge into profits and opportunities.
Everyone has a place. Education’s purpose is to help all of us find where we can contribute to our community.
You are a beacon of light in a world that was succumbing to darkness. I believe we are moving more towards the light. Please keep doing what you are doing, because it is helping spread ripples of positivity throughout the world.
Timestamp: 43:40 An explanation of the 360 method of evaluation and helpful criticism, mention about difficulty evaluating middle management due to being removed from the end outcome. Interesting. Appreciative of the conversation and learning something new from this.
I'm following up with this immediately because the principles in this video aligned with me SO strongly it was like lightening down my spine. I've been SEARCHING.
I am currently in grad school for Education Administration, but have never once pictured myself in the public schools because I disagree with them so strongly. I'm very entrepreneurial... this is destiny. Truly. I've never felt so invigorated, so RIGHT!
Perhaps you might consider starting your own Acton Academy affiliate where you are? :)
The things that make you one "entrepreneurial" are often the opposite of what make one good at administration. How do you manage the difference?
@@ShaunMcMillan decide what structures, systems, and organizations you're willing to subordinate your chaos energy to in order to be a part of it. And if you're truly beyond all possible skills of organization and management, then, just being a silent investor. 🤷♀️ otherwise, if you're going to be a leader, going to work with any others, you need the skills of administration (until or unless you can delegate all those tasks via an executive assistant, etc)
I highly recommend the book Summerhill by A.S.Neill. It will absolutely blow your mind and enthuse anyone with a passion for child learning. I promise you’ll not regret reading it. It was first given to me by a teacher when I was just 19. I’m now 52 and I’ll never underestimate the influence this book had on my life.
I was in Jeff's class at UT back in 1992. Best class and worst grade I got in school. I am so pleased to see how he has thrust himself into education and the philosophy of education. We ended up home schooling our kids for similar reasons that he did. I like his Acton Academy approach. I almost wish that I could start one myself. I just finished searching to see if there is an Acton Academy in Houston near my grandchildren. Not yet.
Wow, I'm surprised there isn't one in Houston. I grew up in Houston but now life in L.A. They have a couple here, including one of the first ones.
I believe there is one in Spring and The Woodlands.
@@birdwatcher287for sure. Our kids go to the woodlands one (which is actually in magnolia) but theres also many in spring
As a teacher seeing the education system in my country being messed up by ideologues and hypocrites, I would like to give dr. Peterson and his guest my heart felt thanks for sharing such an enlightening conversation. A lot of education psychology I learned I learned from dr. Peterson. Thank you for telling the truth about all those anti truth about problematic psychological constructs. It’s so eye-opening to learn from you.
Teach your kids
Virtue, Humility and Kindness
It dosn`t take much effort and works
I have 12 grandkids and everyone I am proud of
Strong enough to defend if need be and will always help anyone and value not only there own lives but those of others too
But also. To stand up. To endure. And not to be a victim.
Teach them thinking for themselves, discipline and courage!!!!
I am just finding this video, still viewing the introduction, but I just wanted to say how absolutely excited I am for this content. Our children deserve SO much more than we are giving them with public education.
Wana make some children find one of these an send them there after your done watching this
Jordan Peterson is a hero and legend and going to change the entire world with his new education program.
amen
Some people are truly outstanding, what a astonishing person you introduced to us Dr Peterson. Thank you.
Besides other fascinating moments of this dialogue,… pride vs virtue of humbleness, and admission of our own ignorance… how deep, liberating … thank you Sir! Will carry this wisdom till end of my life.
I have 1 kid at acton now in austin and about to have 3, they love it and all the parents have been ridiculously happy with the journey and results. Especially compared to the alternative
I am looking for a school in my area like this. Can you tell me if Action School is the actual name or is it a Montessori school?
@@stormybeach5211 , Acton Academy
I’m more and more convinced by the day that I will homeschool my kids.
I really enjoyed this conversation, especially Jeff's story about asking this son how to be a good father. Thank you.
As parents of an almost kindergarten age child, we've been struggling with the decision of what education path we're going to take him down. I really wish there were a program like this near us.
Homeschooling is an option depending on where you live and how much one of you can earn while the other is home teaching. There is a lot of resources now for nontraditional teaching. I was Homeschooled by my mother and as a male I think I would have chafed at the bit if I was in a traditional school. I only spent 3-4 hours a day doing school and was just fine going to collage when I was 18. In fact my peers where unused to the freedom of collage and so did not do as well, I imagine this would have been the same situation in the real world. My family was middle class/ low middle during my childhood.
@@lexpox329 we really like the idea of homeschooling, but because of covid we weren't able to let him play with other kids very much and I really want him to be able to be around other kids more regularly. I worry a lot about what Dr. Peterson says about children being doomed to a rough life if they aren't properly socialized by the age of four and feel like we failed our son because of factors we couldn't control.
@@nyasupaa same here. My son had just turned two when covid started. I worry about socializing too, but I'm more worried about the public schools teaching CRT and gender ideology and focusing less on academic success.
Wolsey Hall Oxford.....excellent home schooling college.
@@nyasupaa I think we need to take a step back and look at the world before the advent of public school. By todays standards, nobody before the industrial revolution was socialized. How then did people get socialized? Read Gordon Neufeld's book "Hold on to your kids". Kids don't need 6 hours a day of public school to be "socialized". What they do need is a functioning family unit and healthy realtionships with other kids and adults in their community.
One of the most fascinating and inspiring podcasts that I have listened to - Jordan has met his equal !
After finishing school and college, I am working at a bullet factory making money to pay off debts, buy essentials, and buy supplies for my hobby/business. I don't exactly love my job but it's a good fit for my autistic mind. I want to do something that fits my skills but I don't know anyone who can take the time to mentor me, besides I haven't been taught how to take risks and how to bounce back from a fall. I hope that more schools like Acton Academy hop up around the world and help kids that are different.
If you heard a loud clap during a spiritual moment that night, that was me. I’m surprised no one else fully realized how amazing that was.
I just sent this to my daughter because of its implications for pulling together a great new company that's unique in the world.
Such true ideas.
Jordan, pretend red flag is up when Jeff is still speaking 😉
I used classic literature in comic form when my children were young, and we had audios of the Iliad and Odyssey, Beowulf and the legends of King Arthur which we played for them from age 3 on. This made them intimately familiar with the stories they later read.We still listen to audios. My now grown children gave me the audios of Heradotus, which I listen to before bed.
I love this man! Beyond intelligent.
Hey, I just listened through this on Spotify and I just want to stop by and say it was really great to listen to.
As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. (Proverbs 27,17)
It's great to hear two already sharp irons sharpen each other. Thanks for taking us with you.
Acton Academy Phoenix is now enrolling! Come join us!
I worked at the The Acton School of Business when I was in college and The Acton Academy was not only humbling but inspirational! Those kids knew more than I ever did at their age and it was all due to exposure, thats all it really takes. The Socratic method is really powerful, it forces you to think and specifically for yourself. Expose them to what they need to know and they'll latch on naturally to what they are interested in, humans want to know things!
Where can I find out more about the Socratic method as it was used there in the Acton School of Buiness?
That was such a great discussion and super interesting. I loved it and I'm so happy to have the opportunity to listen to such content! Thank You!
This was wonderful. I just can't believe these methods aren't tried and practiced in public institutions. I'm 29 years old and have felt public schools failed me growing up because I never cared for the ways things were taught.
Closed caption would be nice for the deaf and hard of hearing people please and thank you
CZcams does have a closed captioning feature. Though it isn't the greatest, unless you enjoy a random Mystery Science Theater vibe, at the most awkward moments 😅 but it would be awesome if they could add CC in the podcast ❤️
[ Chrome > Settings > Accessibility > Captions > Toggle the "Live Caption" to turn on. ]
Once that's set, then turn the CZcams's volume on -- Then you'll have the live caption.
I feel you.
Another option is to turn on the Transcription.
It will lay out the same CC but right beside the video live.
I like it because I can skim through less interesting parts visually and quickly, or pause and see the complete idea instead of 2 lines at a time.
Hope this helps.
CC works on mine....just press the button
Much love to Doctor Peterson, good to see him going strong.
Gotta hand it to him - just crankin' out content.
Very much enjoyed this conversation.
I do admire the both of you
I really did find this so fascinating. Thank you both for this discussion.
I really really like these better in person. Alot more intimate.
I love you Mr. Peterson! I wish you were my father or uncle, someone that was close enough to me to influence me as a child. Your just amazing! So glad to see back.
Love Jordan, please let him talk, I so want to hear this man talk.
Mr Peterson ... LOVE the new start of your pod cast...the music art and the decor of room. Beautiful and very classy. We appreciate you so much..
The planet needs you.
Asking questions is the best way to motivate people to think.
The most favorite video I’ve listened to ever! Loved this on so many levels! I can’t wait to share this! Thank you for what you do!
I agree. This is probably the best JP episode I've ever heard! And, I have quite a few episodes under my belt... 😊
My daughters 10 months old now, thanks for this video, very helpful!
I’m on fire! As a teacher of high school/college level in Germany I see so many kids, mostly boys, who are opting out, or at least not living up to their potential, it has been breaking my heart forever. This truly is a revolution and there are no Acton academies in Germany just yet it would seem from the quick research I just did. Good Lord, this is so exciting! Who will join forces to start one?
That's interesting because when I heard the details about German schools, they sounded very good. The Germans are renowned for their practical, vocational training. I admit, I was a bit perturbed that the German system pre selects the academic ability of children at a young age with the Hauptschule, Realschule and Gymnasium system. I also am amazed that even to work in retail store, an employee has to go through years of apprenticeship.
@@fazole that's all true, but it's a far cry from the Acton academy system. I taught a debating club for several years and that was similar - I loved it. The usual lessons are still mostly top down and since schools of 500+ students have a single computer room with internet access you can't even let the students do research on their own very often. My old headmaster used to say, it's a 19th century system - and this Acton academy seems to be the 21st century answer to all the problems. I'm still dumbfounded by the simplicity and beauty of it, even though I don't understand it fully.
You should definitely start one. I am a graduate from the original Acton Academy in Austin, Texas USA and yes-one in Germany would be amazing!
I have learned so much. Thank you for posting and doing this interview!!
This was an amazing interview. I'm currently homeschooling 3 of my 5 kids and this challenged me and really got me thinking. I love your interviews, Jordan, and this might be the best one I've heard
This was fascinating and the fastest interview I’ve listened to by Jordan Peterson. Time just flew by. Thank you so much!
This was definitely one of the best Episodes I've seen to date.
Hero AND LEGENDARY Jordan Peterson. This guy might have saved the world
I feel like I should have paid to watch this. There's so many valuable nuggets throughout this interview. Fantastic information between two brilliant minds.
Thank you for this podcast. I hope I can be a good father one day!
Excellent advice. All the way through. I taught for 32 years. The lowest social economic kids in California. And pretty much taught like this the entire time. Second Language learners too. I learned all this from Marva Collins. Teacher from Chicago. Middle school is tough. Kids have a lot of established bad habits that come from home. “I’m not good at math, no one in my family is.” Yea that a No from this teacher. 😂. If you can keep them out of public school that’s best. Home School ! Most teachers don’t understand teaching this way. They just follow the pages of a book.
"The solution to inequality isn't equality. It's to have a wide enough variety of games so that everyone can have a game they're best at."
This is one phenomenally good reason for lifelong monogamy -- each pair gets its own game to win, and ideally, you spend a lifetime getting better and better at it.
I don't know but this is I feel like the best I have listened to so far. I usually read subtitles but listening as an Asian felt so good, and it feels so good that I could have that adventure like it has always been portrayed in the archetypal motif
I did public education in Canada. They taught whole language. My Aunt in 2 minutes taught me phonic reading which opened many doors to my ability to read complex material. The math was taught by rote memorization and I had serious difficulty. A fellow student in 2 minutes taught me how to do addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division, where after a whole year I otherwise learned nothing. My sons had it even worse. I taught them phonics and how to do math correctly. They could read way above their level, and one of my sons could do 30 minutes math exams in 3 minutes and almost always get 100%. The teacher was spectacularly impressed with his improvement and asked me to publish the math java-script on a web page. I did, and told him to teach the other students how to do the math properly and make it into a competition. Soon all the children who used the app were also doing spectacularly well in math. The teacher asked me if she could get the school board to approve the use of the app too. I said yes. My son told me that later the school board banned my whole web site from being accessed by students.
Wow, that's great!!! What's the app or website you made, I'd like to see it.
This was one of the most interesting conversations I've heard. Thank you!
The reference early to "Paul Gotti" by Dr. Peterson appears to actually be "Weapons of Mass Instruction" by John Taylor Gatto.
thank you buddy, I couldn't find the book online.
@@JasonPilley yeah that's probably the right book. I was lucky to stumble across what I found
@@JasonPilley What did you like about it?
As usual, brilliant dialogue ❤
Thank you, Dr Peterson and Jeff Sandefer for this interview and for everything you do! We were about to open a "different" school "from scratch" but now we are launching an Acton Academy in Bulgaria - stepping on the shoulders of giants... It was almost a mirracle to hear this interview shortly after the moment we said to ourselves (after 2 years of hard times and searching) : "no compromises with the future of our kids - if we have to do the best school in the world ourselves then we do the best school"! Fuuny enough, the 2 words that became our guides were Freedom and Responsibility. We are waiting forward to meet you in Sofia very soon, Dr Peterson!
i´m learning english listening Mr Peterson. thank you for putting subtittles
"I don't know anyone who doesn't think the system is broken." Jeff Sandefer
I love how his "tribebuilding" seems to uphold the working theory on which we've been operating that the trialogue facilitates scaffolding across individuals with the various ways of being smart. Good stuff, Doc. We're changing education & the even the world.
Thank you Dr. Peterson for have this man your program....this is beautiful!
Jordan I respect your work and serious discussions with amazing guess Jeff Sandefer. I have a tough time when I used to go to school and with my mom. So now i'm learning how things work so I can get through hard times.
Thank you for allowing me to view this excellent discussion ! My favourite yet ! ( I’m 16 weeks pregnant and looking forward to education and parenthood )
It will change your life in ways you never imagined. You will absolutely love it!
I made the firm decision recently that public schooling will not be the course for my child. It'll be more work and effort, and I'm working on becoming more structured to accommodate and succeed in this responsibility. I believe it's entirely my job as a parent to teach her and assure she knows what she needs to. The thought of sending her to public school is truly a nightmare, the environment and social climate are, in my honest opinion, deadly poison.
Good for you!! Ive homeschooled for the past 10 years and will continue to do so. I have found its one of the best things you can do for your children, and it is very rewarding. My kids have never stepped foot in a public school. All my kids are where they should be when they test. Two of them are a whole grade level ahead and flourishing. They test higher than the public school kids on the standardized tests they do every other year. You've got this!
@Rocky Mountain Homestead with Angela I was homeschooled along with my brother, aside from three years I went to public. I chose to come back home after 4th grade, I just couldn't do it. It was not a good environment for me to effectively learn, at all. We had the same experience of being further along than kids in public school. I really believe it's the best way to teach our kids! I'm happy you've had success and been able to do it for yours 😊 💕
@Rocky Mountain Homestead with Angela Is good to hear such successful stories, experiences, and benefits of home schooling. I have been considering homeschooling my two children for some time now, but I feel so unprepared for it. Both of my kids were in private school and now are attending public school. I honestly don't think there's much difference between the two. I feel like my kids are lacking behind even with us supplementing. Any suggestions or programs that could help me best prepared for homeschooling my children? Thank you.
My siblings and I home schooled. I can tell you that we all advance academically in different ways but we were well equipped for successful lives. In collage I was top of my class and found it less strenuous than homeschooling. My wife was a teacher before we were married and we made the decision to homeschool our two sons also. Education is a hard road to travel but investment in the best for our children is very rewarding. Undoubtedly someone will tell you that social skills will suffer but if your family is social your children will be also and the social skills of public schoolers are honestly over rated and more in line with social disorders than skills.
@@jimmyx44 I homeschooled my four children. Here are a few tips: 1. You got this, you are miles ahead of the game. You've already been teaching your child from birth. They're already accustomed to learning from you.
2. Because your children have attended school, You first have to detox your children from the school system's way of learning. Research this on homeschool blog sites. It can be the most difficult part.
3. Don't try to copy the school model of classroom teaching. It is the most inefficient method of teaching. You want to make "lectures" more like open conversations with demonstrations. Don't grade them, just try to guide them when they make a mistake. Don't worry about pace.
4. Especially, if they are young try to tailor what you want to teach around their interest. There is math, writing, science, and art in just about every interest. Daily activities as well. Cooking is great for teaching fractions. Not only can you teach about recipes (1/4 cup of this and 1/2 cup of that) but also try asking a 7-year-old if they want a 1/8th of a piece of a cake or a 1/16th. They almost always say 1/16th because they know 16 is bigger than 8.
5. Very Important. Spend no more than 2hrs daily on personal instruction. Set a daily routine. Really, this is all they need but you should do it around the same time every day and every. single. day. Learning for a child is not a chore or a job.. it's as natural and necessary as breathing, they shouldn't want or need any breaks from it.
6. If you tailor the conversation-style sessions to your child's interest this will be a time your child looks forward to. Encourage them to do research on their own. If they ask a question, give them just enough to look it up instead of the answer. Then have them share with you what they found. This fosters independence and encourages curiosity. Think of it as the equivalent of teaching a man to fish instead of giving him a fish.
7. There will be things you don't know much about. Learn it with them. Some people try to prepare for lessons to teach their children by learning unfamiliar or forgotten subjects ahead of time. Don't do this. Just admit to them that you don't know everything or it's been a long time. Discuss it as you're both learning it. This is great because not only are you helping them learn the subject matter but you're teaching them how to learn. My daughter's knowledge of business and economics outpaced mine at about 13. She operates and runs her own business now. My son's knowledge in advanced mathematics and physics outpaced mine at about 15, he's a structural engineer now.
8. Homeschooling doesn't have to be expensive. My daughter uses an online curriculum as a guide for $25 / month. When my grandchildren were very young they would spend hours playing ABCMouse and other apps designed to help with learning to read. There are tons of inexpensive or free apps on google play for children. I homeschooled my children before the internet. To get textbooks I would go to book fairs or buy them used from the local college. Dollar tree has some really good workbooks for young children. Walmart sells workbooks too for primary school-aged children. But then there's the internet..
9. Research the laws pertaining to homeschooling for your state. But no matter what the state laws are, keep a copy of all of your child's output. The system will from time to time go after homeschoolers.
10. Don't worry about socialization. As long as you're not a hermit living in a cave or keep your children locked in a basement they will get plenty of social interaction. If you're concerned about it and they are little take them to the playground when other children are playing there. If they're older, encourage them to join in activities or groups that interest them. Model good social behavior.
Wow, there is so much hope and potential for good in this world. Great discussion, always impressed with how much I there is to learn.