How To Make Stepping Stones With Concrete That Look Natural

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  • čas přidán 8. 06. 2024
  • How to make DIY stepping stones using concrete. I'll show you how to make these pavers look like real stone.
    Step by step details on making these large stepping stones using a reusable mold that gives total control over the shape. Get creative and shape these to look like fieldstones.
    --Timestamps--
    00:00 How To Make Stepping Stones With Concrete That Look Natural
    01:13 Prepare the Space
    02:29 Mix the Concrete
    03:47 Cast the Concrete Stepping Stone Molds
    06:08 Artistic/Accent Coloring of the Top Layer
    08:19 Add Stone Texture to the Concrete
    13:16 Let the Concrete Stepping Stones Cure
    13:52 Final Step: Seal the Concrete Stones (Recommend)
    For even more detailed information and photos, please visit the written tutorial on my site-
    artsyprettyplants.com/diy-con...
    Materials List:
    * Sand Topping Mix - artsyprettyplants.com/refer/s... I used (7) 60lb bags- see
    * Fabric pegs/stakes - artsyprettyplants.com/refer/f...
    * Vinyl furniture strapping - amzn.to/2xMHczq or vertical vinyl blind slats
    * Large mixing bin - artsyprettyplants.com/refer/c... or wheelbarrow
    * Trowel - artsyprettyplants.com/refer/t...
    * Hoe - artsyprettyplants.com/refer/g...
    * Black - fave.co/3aEXSpz , red - amzn.to/2SuuahO and blue colorant - amzn.to/2SuuahO
    * Yellow or blue tape
    * Mask
    * Coarse paintbrush - 1″ or 2″
    * Disposable cups or bowls
    * Plastic bags
    * Rubber gloves or durable nitrile gloves - amzn.to/2OmNZog
    * Work gloves
    * Sealer- optional but recommended
    * Wheelbarrow -if you have one (for carrying the concrete to the stone location)
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Komentáře • 192

  • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
    @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety +10

    Please see the materials in the description above and more details in the tutorial on my website. artsyprettyplants.com/diy-concrete-stepping-stones-look-natural/

  • @coachtim6188
    @coachtim6188 Před měsícem +20

    My gosh. I've never seen so many complaints. From "can't hear" to "they won't last" ad nauseum. She's obviously a go getter. She's obviously very handy. If they crack, pretty sure she can fix. I can hear fine. She sure hasn't gotten rich sharing this with us and i bet did it because she likes helping others. How about a little gratitude. My mom used to say if you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. Good grief people these days.

    • @justjessica85
      @justjessica85 Před 22 dny +1

      Ad nauseum hehe...

    • @tracybrooks5971
      @tracybrooks5971 Před 21 dnem +3

      Hey, my mom used to say that also! I agree with you 100% (and our mothers).

    • @coachtim6188
      @coachtim6188 Před 21 dnem

      @@tracybrooks5971 We were blessed with awesome moms. ☺️

    • @ninarobinson8752
      @ninarobinson8752 Před 15 dny

      I agree, they ass is hard of hearing anyway

  • @fab4fan173
    @fab4fan173 Před měsícem +4

    such a clever idea. Thank you for sharing your talent. I will be using this idea.

  • @ninarobinson8752
    @ninarobinson8752 Před 15 dny +1

    I'm a great grandmother and i can hear great

  • @sherierodrigues1569
    @sherierodrigues1569 Před 2 lety +8

    Hi Ellen, I love you. I'm a 72 yo nanny from Australia, I have a wet front yard, and this is perfect for me. Just know that you have really helped me with my issue, I'm sure you have helped a lot more people as well. Every time I will be admiring and walking on my pavers, I will be thinking of you. God bless you darling girl. Sherie Rodrigues from Australia. Ps. I will be making some of your pots as well. Great channel.

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 2 lety

      Hi Sherie! This makes me so happy to hear! That's exactly how I felt after making these, they just made walking in and out of the front door so much easier, because it really was a problem. And thank you for your very kind words, they are taken to heart. :0).

    • @sherierodrigues1569
      @sherierodrigues1569 Před 2 lety +1

      @@ArtsyPrettyPlants i am happy they have been taken to heart, they were meant to darling. I am sitting with my notebook, taking notes to start. Wish me luck. Love to you. Sherie. Love the vinyl strip.

  • @dianac2596
    @dianac2596 Před 3 měsíci +4

    You did this so beautifully. I’m doing this very rock stepping stone technique this year. Very impressive!

  • @trido3815
    @trido3815 Před 4 lety +35

    My neighbor did something similar. Instead of using the bag for texturing, he used a few rocks to stamp on the concrete to create the texture.

  • @danielhanawalt4998
    @danielhanawalt4998 Před měsícem +2

    This is what I was looking for. I have a short path to my patio and want to make a stone like walk without buying expensive pavers or flagstone. Nice work you did with your walkway. Wish me luck.

  • @777Pattie
    @777Pattie Před 3 měsíci +2

    Thank you for sharing👍🏼. I was going to buy the multi stone mold but your hand made molds I like better 😊💕

  • @ApexxJimmy
    @ApexxJimmy Před rokem +3

    Thanks for the guide!
    Your audio was fine and the music was relaxing, btw. :)

  • @kathywright1090
    @kathywright1090 Před 2 lety +1

    This is a great idea, great video, well done. Any rude, crude or lewd comments should be ignored.

  • @angeldye4168
    @angeldye4168 Před 3 lety +9

    Great idea! ❤ You did an excellent job on these!

  • @hillbillyshack
    @hillbillyshack Před 3 lety +6

    Very cool just the tutorial I was looking for, great job they look great

  • @doghairdontcarelindaniel7531

    June 2020. You go girlfriend. Liked the plastic bag texture. Texas here y’all.

  • @bondpaz
    @bondpaz Před 3 lety +5

    They look amazing!❤️😊👌🏽

  • @katieclemons418
    @katieclemons418 Před 2 lety +5

    Great! I want to try something like this for a diy walkway to my house. It gets muddy a lot. I like the tutorial you did great :)

  • @viviancharbonnet3761
    @viviancharbonnet3761 Před 4 lety +7

    The video was great but I loved the detailed step by step you posted Also very helpful the coloring thanks

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 4 lety

      Hi Vivian, I'm glad you saw the written tutorial. You'll always be able to find more specific details in the written versions.

  • @MissPuh
    @MissPuh Před 3 lety +2

    Looks beautiful! Im going to buy everything I need for this today :D

  • @laurentampa2054
    @laurentampa2054 Před 3 lety +3

    Great job! Looks awesome!

  • @hendrikjbboss9973
    @hendrikjbboss9973 Před 3 lety +1

    Very nice. You make it look very easy. Thank you.

  • @vickybryan25
    @vickybryan25 Před rokem +1

    Those are beautiful ty

  • @kezonline
    @kezonline Před 4 lety +9

    You did a really good job and it's a great idea, nicely explained too.

  • @jairosa823
    @jairosa823 Před rokem +1

    ... están magníficos. ..lo agregaré a mi pequeño jardín.

  • @melanieeaton3344
    @melanieeaton3344 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm planning on trying it! Glad I found your channel!

  • @janellekm
    @janellekm Před 3 lety +17

    They look great, I have put off doing a pathway due to the cost, however, using "fake" stones will mean it will fit my budget. Thanks for sharing this with us 😊

  • @mikemartinez1557
    @mikemartinez1557 Před 3 lety +2

    That came out real nice..great idea..

  • @barbarawalsh4936
    @barbarawalsh4936 Před 2 lety +2

    Watched a couple videos on Stepping Stones, and like this one best. Have two places in my yard to use these. Plan to make some smaller ones, to go around my tree out front. Thanks for the great idea and video.

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 2 lety

      Oooh, I like the idea of doing this around a tree. In fact you just gave me a great idea!

  • @DrLauraRPalmer
    @DrLauraRPalmer Před 2 lety +1

    Such a bomb idea

  • @moritanv
    @moritanv Před rokem +1

    Beautiful... Nice work!😍😍

  • @tinadarlene4623
    @tinadarlene4623 Před 4 lety +2

    What a great job ❤️

  • @LindenRanch
    @LindenRanch Před 3 lety +2

    Looks awesome. Better than flag stone with such a custom shape and size vs cost. Will add to my gardens.

  • @MarielCardozo
    @MarielCardozo Před 3 lety +5

    The way they look is stunning I will try it too :) I wonder if you could make it look like marble stones too. 👌🏽

  • @thefrenchgardener1865
    @thefrenchgardener1865 Před 3 lety +3

    Great job . . . looking forward to doing this project. Thanks for the specs: one 60 lb bag per large stone . . .

  • @joprent6727
    @joprent6727 Před 3 lety +1

    Great job. I want to do this. TFS. X

  • @therealfirstone
    @therealfirstone Před 3 lety +2

    Nice job, thanks for sharing.

  • @BigBBQJones
    @BigBBQJones Před rokem +1

    Nice 👍 I'm going to try it ❤

  • @earlydawn81
    @earlydawn81 Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful!

  • @stephenoshaughnessy2279
    @stephenoshaughnessy2279 Před 3 lety +1

    Very good. The overall results are successful.

  • @Lima547
    @Lima547 Před 9 měsíci

    Thanks for sharing! Great outcome

  • @viviancharbonnet3761
    @viviancharbonnet3761 Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks

  • @4TheFun1s
    @4TheFun1s Před 2 lety +1

    Awesome will give this a try🤗

  • @rase575
    @rase575 Před 2 lety +1

    Beautiful

  • @DoYouEvenBlog
    @DoYouEvenBlog Před 4 lety +4

    You’re a dang pro!

  • @jtltet
    @jtltet Před 2 lety +11

    They look really good but I am a bit curious how well they hold up over time. What PSI was the concrete mix?

  • @vh4367
    @vh4367 Před 2 lety

    Great job with lot of love! thank you for sharing

  • @eliseintheattic9697
    @eliseintheattic9697 Před 2 lety +21

    This looks great. I would love to see a follow up to see how the stones have aged. I bet they look even better now.
    Is the stain thin enough to go in a spray bottle? If so it might be a good way to stain larger areas.

  • @catherinemurphy873
    @catherinemurphy873 Před 7 měsíci

    Amazing job 💯. Thanks 👍

  • @sazji
    @sazji Před 3 lety +8

    Nice work! You might be able to darken things with some iron oxide after the fact. It could soften the contrast between the colors as well.

  • @abzaz6331
    @abzaz6331 Před 4 lety +2

    You are great.

  • @rogeremoreno2397
    @rogeremoreno2397 Před 3 lety +3

    Awesome and great job.
    This has really helped. I want to fill in an area, but it has custom brick boarder with curves. I did not want to cut and lay more bricks. (Plus, that would have been way out of my skill set) This solves my problem, make you own custom stones. How awesome is that.

  • @arthartwell6628
    @arthartwell6628 Před 4 lety +2

    Nice job!!!

  • @eduardoosaki9169
    @eduardoosaki9169 Před 3 lety

    Beautiful job good girl

  • @jafinch78
    @jafinch78 Před 3 lety +1

    Never thought about or seen the materials use for a border. I've been wanting to play around with cost effective DIY dyes which are usually not recommended. I've thought about D cell batteries manganese oxide rinsed very thoroughly for a black dye source, titanium dioxide from pottery shops as well as other pottery glaze materials too. There are other additives that might be useful too, though do cost more as some use acrylic or latex paint... though when you talk to the pros, they recommend distilled water and knowing the % solids clearly noted in the store bought fortifiers. Looks neat though for sure and inspiring since I have some flagstone and this gives me some ideas to try to see what the decorative concrete can appear like.... if I get the time. Thanks for sharing!

  • @marcusdosh408
    @marcusdosh408 Před 4 měsíci

    Love these....

  • @shingabiss
    @shingabiss Před 2 lety

    Nice job.

  • @kimberlyf.4130
    @kimberlyf.4130 Před rokem +5

    Hey thanks for the tutorial, looks great and I'm excited to try it!

  • @user-si2tl9kz7w
    @user-si2tl9kz7w Před 3 lety

    Thank you for showing! Will fast-setting concrete work?

  • @nadmiet7733
    @nadmiet7733 Před 3 lety +1

    I bought few flag stones and they're pricey. I like your video to make your own . What a great idea. Thank you for sharing ☺

  • @gwennumphress570
    @gwennumphress570 Před měsícem

    Hi was reading your stepping stones it sounds interesting and I am new to this type of project so I am unsure of the type of cement how thick of container I’d probably use the pour and place my pattern as I am 80 year old women so mix and lifting cement any suggestions Thanks

  • @burnettlp
    @burnettlp Před 3 lety +3

    When you said it's time to stop torturing the guests I cracked up 😆😅🤣

  • @attackongranny813
    @attackongranny813 Před 2 lety

    Awesome

  • @svm8499
    @svm8499 Před 3 lety +2

    I wonder if you could dilute the powdered color and spray on the concrete ...to create color

  • @trvlswitrv
    @trvlswitrv Před 4 lety +9

    Thanks for showing this. They came out really nice. I’m going to try this. These are just what I need to walk to my raised garden bed.

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 4 lety

      Hi Maria, Awesome. I’m glad you saw this. It was good timing since I had just posted this a couple of days ago. Good luck!

  • @elsagrace3893
    @elsagrace3893 Před 4 lety +2

    It looks really nice! Great job with the coloring even though you wanted it darker. It’s just like watercolor. It lightens as it dries. 😬

  • @LapisLizard
    @LapisLizard Před 3 lety +5

    I love this video, and the finished result! May I ask what material the curved edging is made of?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety +5

      Hi! The curved mold material is vinyl. I have all the details for this written as a complete tutorial. All the materials are listed there, with links so you can see what they are. artsyprettyplants.com/diy-concrete-stepping-stones-look-natural/

    • @LapisLizard
      @LapisLizard Před 3 lety +2

      @@ArtsyPrettyPlants thank you for your quick response. I would really like to have a go at doing similar for a path that needs attention. Thank you for your inspiration, Ellen

    • @user-jd1sl8jc5e
      @user-jd1sl8jc5e Před 3 lety

      К вас это цемент или плиточный клей?

  • @sdp6404
    @sdp6404 Před rokem

    great job! so nice looking. wondering if you've since had any problems with cracking since the stones are so large?

  • @aarongilbert9714
    @aarongilbert9714 Před 3 lety +1

    Very inspiring video. If I want to make stepping stones for my garden, what is the mixture of cement and sand of it for size of 40 cm in diameters? Do I need rocks and mess wire for it ? Thank you

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi Aaron, you'll need to know the thickness you plan to make them and then you will have to check the labels on the mixes of concrete bags. But, if you are talking about just using a non-premixed cement and adding sand, then unfortunately I don't have the answer. I know it will be a high ratio of sand to cement, but as my bag was manufactured as a pre-mix, I can't say for sure.
      You might find this article helpful- The Best Mix For Concrete Projects. Read the first section and then skip down to the stepping stones example near the bottom.

  • @gwennumphress570
    @gwennumphress570 Před měsícem

    I wud make my stepping stones not too big so not sure what diameter to buy in molds

  • @earlydawn81
    @earlydawn81 Před 2 lety

    What did you use for the vinyl

  • @grizwits6011
    @grizwits6011 Před 3 lety

    Looks awesome good work I’m gonna do a path to my fire pit like this

  • @jacquelinemann3069
    @jacquelinemann3069 Před 3 lety

    Where did you get the edging? U did awesome!!!

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety

      Hi, I linked the materials in the description and also on my website. The link is in the description there as well. You'll find even more details in the written tutorial.

  • @jobellecollie7139
    @jobellecollie7139 Před 2 měsíci

    I wish you explained how to make the forms.

  • @LookInDJProduction
    @LookInDJProduction Před rokem

    Small tip. In countries, where are winters under -0 Celsius should be used Metal armature for protect concrete to not break by temperature delatation

  • @staffordvideoproductions5788

    Beautiful work. The final product looks a lot flatter than the stone that you were working on. Is that just an optical illusion?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 5 měsíci

      Thank you! It's an optical illusion. If you go to my written tutorial: artsyprettyplants.com/diy-concrete-stepping-stones-look-natural/ -Go a little more than half way down the page, there's a photo where you can see the stones toward the back and how thick they are. I have the gravel covering most of the thickness. Most are just over 2" thick and quite irregular.

  • @gensanchez9535
    @gensanchez9535 Před 8 měsíci

    They look awesome!!
    great job
    I have a very important question; are they slippery? or any concerned when it rains ? can you walk on them safely without falling? since they look kinda * Smooth

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 8 měsíci

      Hi, nope, not slippery at all. I live in the south where it's very wet and slimy and they are great for this.

  • @lauralea3858
    @lauralea3858 Před 4 lety +1

    Hi, what is the plastic material you used and the brand of the colors if you could post

    • @cheypam
      @cheypam Před 4 lety

      Laura Lee, See Lea Wood's question above.
      All of the materials she lists on her website are all out of stock. I listed items that are in stock now on Amazon that you can use 😊 for a lot less money! I hope this helps 😊 have a wonderful day!

  • @chestercopperpot1433
    @chestercopperpot1433 Před rokem

    I might have missed it in the video. What were the molds made from? Your walk looks great!

  • @velmawillis1819
    @velmawillis1819 Před 3 lety

    Love this idea. But I can bearly hear instructions. What did you make molds out of??

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety

      Vinyl straps. The link to the written tutorial with materials links is in the description above.

  • @Ego_Katana
    @Ego_Katana Před 3 lety +3

    any problem with the stones cracking yet? I wonder if chicken wire could be used as a rebar ?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety +4

      I have one that did, but that's because I left the large gravel underneath and it had an air pocket. The others have no cracking at all.

  • @Tobymydog812
    @Tobymydog812 Před rokem

    Looks good..What did you use for forms?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před rokem

      Hi, thanks! I used vinyl straps. They are linked to in the description and also in the written tutorial on my website, also linked there.

  • @Max-kn9yi
    @Max-kn9yi Před 3 lety

    I'm doing this, but making my cement a little less thick..

  • @lorrainedurgee1761
    @lorrainedurgee1761 Před 3 lety

    What’s the ratio of the sand mix & cement- I have Portland cement…..They never cracked ? I put stones & chicken wire in between my stepping stones..any reinforcements?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety

      I don't know the ratio if you use Portland cement. I used Sand Topping Mix which comes premixed. I didn't need to reinforce them.

  • @leahwood1805
    @leahwood1805 Před 4 lety +2

    Where did you get your dye and vinyl

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 4 lety +1

      Hi Leah,
      I have all the materials listed, with links to the items, on my website. You'll find additional info and pics there as well. Here's the link- artsyprettyplants.com/diy-concrete-stepping-stones-look-natural/

  • @pamgrimm8850
    @pamgrimm8850 Před 6 dny

    Who does the music on your video?

  • @gabynavarrete3257
    @gabynavarrete3257 Před 10 měsíci

    Hola, ¿Qué tipo de cinta usas para hacer ese molde o como se pide en la ferretería?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 10 měsíci

      I linked to the materials in the description. It's vinyl strapping.

  • @SoftlySleepy
    @SoftlySleepy Před 8 měsíci

    It's there a way to do this in another location? My city doesn't allow building, even of sidewalks, in front of the house. Stepping stones should get around that since I'm not "building" anything, but i could draw some attention doing this rather than just bringing them in, and i don't want attention. I just wanna cover this dead patch of grass and work towards my no-lawn goals 😭

  • @MM-kz9pd
    @MM-kz9pd Před 3 lety

    How did you make the forms to shape the stones? What are they made of? Are they diy?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety

      Hi, I just added the materials list to the description above, with the link. I got it from Amazon. It's kind of a DIY because it's a repurposed material.

  • @patricialangdon514
    @patricialangdon514 Před rokem

    Whats the color stuff called?

  • @billschofield4190
    @billschofield4190 Před rokem

    Hi, I just paid for your concrete how to booklet for beginners and my printer ran out of paper before it finished printing. How can I print out pages 1-53 to complete the booklet. Thanks for your help. Bill Schofield

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před rokem

      Hi Bill, Yikes, sorry, I know it’s a lot of pages. You’ll have to go to your printer settings when you click print -in the dialog box, once you’ve refilled the ink, and where is says Pages, enter 1-53. You’ll be able to specify that. I hope that helps.

  • @candlewoodfarm
    @candlewoodfarm Před rokem

    what kind od concrete.

  • @buddhaheart114
    @buddhaheart114 Před 3 lety

    did you put any oil on the molds?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 3 lety

      No. You don't need any oil what so ever. You can even remove the strap while the concrete is still somewhat wet.

  • @craftcrumbs
    @craftcrumbs Před 3 lety +4

    The stepping stones are nice but you worked much harder than you needed to because you didn't add enough water when mixing. Should be easy to pour into the mold without scooping. This is when it becomes easy to work with and self-leveling. And remember, everything is darker in color when wet and dries much lighter.

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast Před 2 lety

      More water washes down the strength

    • @MichaelLawrenceMagic
      @MichaelLawrenceMagic Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@2adamastShe's right, not enough water and definitely not self leveling when you have the consistency of clay.

  • @user-jd1sl8jc5e
    @user-jd1sl8jc5e Před 3 lety

    У вас раствор из цемента или из плиточного клея?

    • @earth69mate
      @earth69mate Před 3 lety

      там готовая смесь песок&цемент (просто добавь воды))

  • @hanslund308
    @hanslund308 Před rokem

    well nice, but the answer to being whet in general is more gravel or crushed rock.

  • @faeriesglance
    @faeriesglance Před 2 lety

    Are they slip resistant?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 2 lety

      Absolutely. Very textured. We live in the south where everything builds up with slime and they’re as slip resistant as a concrete sidewalk. It’s like sandpaper. It was the perfect solution for us.

  • @profilnamn9657
    @profilnamn9657 Před 11 měsíci

    Did you add any wiring or chicken net?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 11 měsíci

      No, it's not necessary with this particular mix - within 2" thick. Other mixes may require it.

    • @profilnamn9657
      @profilnamn9657 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ArtsyPrettyPlants thank you! Is it always +degrees where you live?

    • @ArtsyPrettyPlants
      @ArtsyPrettyPlants  Před 11 měsíci

      @@profilnamn9657 You are good even in freezing temperatures. If it drops below 0 degrees Fahrenheit, it should be okay, but much colder than that, I would use wire mesh. Using mesh is better safe than sorry though.

    • @profilnamn9657
      @profilnamn9657 Před 11 měsíci

      @@ArtsyPrettyPlants Thank you sooo much for the tip!

  • @johnnyhoover2373
    @johnnyhoover2373 Před rokem

    Your on to a whole career
    If you want to build driveways
    Just thicker more rebar more
    Movements more helpers …
    I have all worked with these ideas

  • @rocksteadyusa
    @rocksteadyusa Před rokem

    please check your volume

  • @victormejia1902
    @victormejia1902 Před rokem

    Hi, you should use aluminum paper, es better than the plastic 😊

  • @pattikemp-gettmann9646

    Nice job. Your concrete could have been a little thinner