GMG Reviews - Warhammer: The Old World - Forces of Fantasy (Part 2 - The Empire of Man)
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- Brought together from warring tribes by the first Emperor Sigmar; the Empire of Man is as dynamic as it is fractious. Having set aside their differences to destroy the menace of the Vampires at Hel Fenn, an uneasy era of peace is disrupted by menaces in the east and north. Grab your fanciest hat, charge up your steam engines and let's head back to the Old World to see what's up with the regular-old-humans of Warhammer.
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The Empire land of blackpowder, military drills, well groomed moustaches and floppy hats with big feathers stuck in them.
Simply put: the land of the awesomeness.
@@malickmeziani_FreePalestineawesomeness for Sigmar ⚡️
@17:38 immaculate steam whistle impersonation. 10/10
2:37 - well this is before they teach them magic. In fact, iirc, Teclis helping the Empire during the coming Great War Against Chaos was considered exceptional and not SOP for the High Elves, so in a way it makes sense for them not to be available as allies. Further, iirc at this time, Ulthuan is only just now breaking its isolationist policies and re establishing contact with the Old World, which further adds weight to them not being available as Allies. Maybe when the Elf Journal drops, one of the variants lists in it will be an expeditionary force or something and it’s rules will say to add it to the Empire’s list of Allies to represent these things.
Since Teclis has yet to teach humans proper magic and establish the Colleges, why does the Empire even have free access to Wizards? I've always imagined in the lore that a major Empire advantage over Brettonia was wizards being in good supply rather than rare.
@@vandur2322 The Empire had Wizards, but they were so likely to destroy themselves and vast swathes of countryside that the Elves taught them a more disciplined magic. This helped them a) be better allies and b) not blow up themselves and Elven waystones that held back Chaos...
@@vandur2322 If you look back into older lores, at this time the Empire is in a five century long civil war, with different claimants breaking from the Sigmarite dominated elected imperial line doing their own things. In the old first edition WFRP Realm of Sorcery supplement, Middenheim had its own Wizard school long before the Black Plague, and Talabhecland established their own battle magic school after Ottila I declared herself empress. And a lot of Old Faith communities still had hedge wizards practicing native sorceries.
The Marienburg supplement as well as Dwarfs: Stone & Steel supplements mentioned the Wizard Wars, which started with Wizards in Middenheim after the wizard guild there uncovered necromancers and necromancers among their ranks, and spread as far as Marienburg. Also Dieter Helsnicht was a Wizard in Middenheim in 1207 IC even onto 8th edition.
Mordheim, which is set shortlhy after the 2000IC, allowed the Empire mercenaries to hire Warlocks, which are stray, unsanctioned wizards using unrefined magic.
The Empire had access to Wizards, just irregular. What is weird is for Sigmarite armies to include them since Sigmar himself specifically established the Silver Hammers in order to root out all magic in the Empire
@@lcmiracle thanks for that deep info from broader sources. It still seems weird to me though because my whole life I've known from the 4th ed High Elf book that Teclis taught a few basic battle spells to the human hedge wizards so they could be of some during the war. Even still it was implied that the 3 elves (Teclis, Yrtle and Finrier) did the bulk of the magical work for Magnus' army.
Afterwards Magnus asked for the Colleges to be founded so that the armies if men would never have to fight a battle without them again. Implying that they had been doing it without them previously.
@@vandur2322 That would be the impression from my readings of all the WHFB rulebooks and army lists and also WFRP 2E as well, however, in Empire army list 6th edition page 60, it is stated that it was because of the preachings of the Priests of Sigmar that (correctly) connected sorcery to Chaos, that wizards to even sometimes herbalists were hunted down.
However, I argue it would make little sense for the Middenheimers to obey this order since the Ulricans have always had a major rivalry with the Sigmarites, and when Ottilia seceeced, she canonically blamed her lost of the election of Sigmarite temperings and banished the cult from Talabheim all together, she canonically had the support of both the Cults of Taal and Ulric at the same time, making it likely that she could easily acquire magical assistance after the Age of War started as well.
Magnus was a Sigmarite at Nuln, which take it to mean that the armies he is used to had all been deprived of mages due to dominating Sigmarite influences (WFRP 1E Enemy Within actually had the Cult of Sigmar being the main influencing power behind the elected Emperors during the Age of 3 Emperors). I think it would be perfect for GW writers to make it so that Magnus' legalization of Wizardry was also used to placate the other provinces that might have had their own magical institution over more than 500 years of fractured rule.
And I think someone mentioned that these wizards can also represent the priests of other gods like Priest of Morr using Lore of Death, Taal (and Rhya) using Lore of Beasts and Life, etc.; it can allow the Priest of Sigmar and a "Wizard" in the same army, but it can't address the presence of Demonology in this case.
I'm so pleased they have bigger bases. At last there's enough room for their codpieces!
I suspect the new base sizes are a marketing tool to make you scream in frustration and buy new miniatures/ armies. I might do new movement trays, but life is too short to rebase everything. If you don't enter competitions there is no point.
Faith, Steel, and Gunpowder! And big effing codpieces.
Going to have to get wider movement trays as i'm not going to rebase, but this was the review I was looking for!
Thanks for doing these Ash. Looking forward to some Battle Reports later? orcs 6 Goblins especially..
demigryph grandmaster! Yay!
You know, I’m pretty convinced I’m not going to play The Old World. Too many other things going on. On the other hand … my last passion project before the end of Fantasy was an army of Halflings. I never finished it: we all quit a decade ago, and I ended up mothballing the little buggers. Maybe this’ll get me to finish it. And if I do, I’ll run it as Empire.
Oh boy, my 110 riflemen are going to be fielded again
I wonder if the allies list is misprinted... it says Empire can't take High Elves as allies, but High Elves can take Empire as Uneasy allies. I wonder if where it says Wood Elves that should say High Elves.
Keep in mind, the High Elves in general were going to let the Empire get fethed royally during The Great War Against Chaos.
It was only because of Teclis that the HE expedition comes to the rescue, and it was *extremely* unpopular amongst the HE nobility that he also goes on to found the Empire's Colleges of Magic after the victory against Chaos.
Since the relaunch is currently being set roughly around 2200 - 2300 Imperial Calendar, which is the century or so leading up to TGWAC, it fits that the snobby HE's aren't really allies just yet ;-)
I'm absolutely stoked for this release personally!!
Going to grab the Bretonnian launch box, as Brets were my very first Warhammer army waaaaay back in '96/97 with the Brets vs. Lizardmen big box!
But, I still have a bunch of unbuilt Empire stuff from 8th ed, when I'd wanted to do a Morr/Vampire hunting themed knightly order crusade/purge force themed around the Wars of the Vampire Counts. Happy to see that Witch Hunters for example are still around, despite the VC's themselves (for now) being only a PDF non-supported faction.
Why do the Empire have wizards? I thought magic was outlawed until the Emperor Magnus the Pius lifted the ban? Prior to Teclis establishing the colleges of magic the religious Cults had the monopoly on magic and all you had were hedge witches being persecuted by witch hunters.
court wizards enjoying the protection granted to them by one of the many emperors/counts in this time of anarchy in the Empire
Great review! Hope that we would have gotten an Emperor (Karl Frans previously) On Imperial Dragons as that was my main general in 8th. Probably will be in the Arcane Journal as a special character I guess. Overall happy!
Gw hinted in an article we may eventually get Magnus The Pious as a special character so hopefully that helps!
@@matthewandriaccio8961 Hope so!
Great review! But what should I do, re-glue the old bases with new ones or use fillers?😢
love the theme music. you should use nightmares on wax as well.
Inner circle have Ld9 ... nice
*looks at his unpainted war wagon* Well.. maybe on the expansion booklet? We can hope?
Such a classic warhammer model, i really should paint mine one day as well.
Maybe as a unit filler?
War altar conversion?
Pretty sure it will return. Iconic model with huge nostalgia bonus - seems exactly what GW would return these days.
My first army i had in 6th edition.
Keen to start another
Just need to pick colour scheme
This is actually in the time before the Empire was taught magic under Teclis - they are Hedge Wizards and Court Wizards rather than belonging to the Colleges of Magic.
Yeah so this should be reflected in the game somehow. Make them rarer or weaker.
Itd be as immersion breaking as if Black Orcs had the same stats as Gobbos.
Thank you. Nice review. Sadly there is no difference between Empire States or did I missed something? I hoped for differences for example between Reikland and Marienburg. 😮
Just wait for the Arcane Journal; that should add all the cool stuff and new army lists.
This is the generic rules for each faction. You 100% will get Detachment style rules for Empire that either are the counties or something that lets you differentiate you in some way.
Inner circle knights look amazing! I'm gonna have to convert a priest of ulric too just getting multiple woulds off against the right target is devastating!
which models are inner circle knights? not seeing them googling around.
they are empire knights. essentially its just an upgraded unit using the same models@@errata2412
@@errata2412same as normal knights.
Shame there is no Priest of Taal. Given the division in the Empire at the time in the lore it would've made sense
Could be in the arcane journal.
I've not really got any interest in WFB despite being a hardcore player back in the day but idea of releasing gems such as Empire Militia will be a massive boon to the Mordheim community.
Amen
Hang on. Bretonians get footknights but we don’t get our reiksguard footknights back?!
The models were discontinued sometime around the start of 6th edition
Ive disliked your comment becaise i dislike theyve gone!@@davidkeyser1698
If they're sticking to the lore (which could be doubtful) the Reiksguard won't be formed until well after the great war against Chaos.
If I remember correctly they were created by Wilhelm II or III, grandfather of Karl Franz. Can't remember the exact year but it should be (on average) less than 100 years before Franz if it's his grandfather.
Then again they've shown with things like the Steam Tanks and Mages that they have no issue playing with or getting rid of lore for gameplay or model purposes so they might do a retcon.
You could also just use the rules and base it in whatever timeframe you want as many people I know used to do and aim to do. I'm building an Imperial Army for Karl Franz personally as I'm not fond of the timeframe they've stuck it to.
But lots of options really.
Edit: Highland miniatures have models for Reiksguard foot knights if you want them. There is also Perry Foot knights if you want more true scale with lots of options.
You could run them as an Allied Contingent of Bretonians with their Knights of the Realm on foot. You would need to add another Charakter and a unit of Men-at-Arms tho from the Bretonians aswell, tho
There is no Reiksgaurd at all
STOP THE MOTHER FLUBBIN PRESS!!! THERE IS NO HALFLINGS!!!
Sprinkle a few halfling models in with your archers or spearmen
@@davidkeyser1698 I'm sad I was going to remake my old halflong army I had in 4th.
Not all High Elves agreed upon helping The Empire and Kislev.
Where is the "Veteran" rule described?
When I run an Old World Event there will be a complaint jar. $10 AUD per complaint. At that rate I'll be able to buy an army per event ;)
And how much will a basic 2k army cost?
I don't see it an issue with High Elves not being able to allies. At this time period the High Elves have not been working with Empire until the Great War of Chaos.
Pretty sure Tarnus isn't supposed to be born yet? He was one of the early Supreme Patriarchs, IIRC?
LOL pigeon bombs I love it
Love your stuff Ash but theres something off with the audio on these videos
Empire without college of magic has more magic options than elves who taught humans magic? Wtf?
No mechanical horse? Shame
What does the veteran rule do?
+1 WS and ability to take magic banner
Looks like my swordsmen blocks will all be vets, then. Shame we don’t keep I4 like they had in 6th, but times change.
@@alpa7973 No it is not. It is something with psychology reroll of fear of panic test... something along those lines. Cannon crew having +1WS :)
@@tomekhekin914 my bad
No Kislev?
i feel kinda robbed ... i see a lot of nerf and missing stuff and missing occasions
How can there be nerfs when this is the first release ?
in comparison to the 8th edition armybook@@csblack01
High elves don't teach men magic for another 2 decades. At this time, they're not a tightly acquainted.
Love it, but if you could slow down a tiny bit for non-native english speakers... :-P Thanks!!
Hmmm......Empire you say....
What is Strenght of mortar. In 8ed it used to be 2 but in 6th it was 3. An do it use small template or big one?
Are the Demi’s core or special ?
Special
I don't want space Marines, space bugs, space orks, space elves, or any of that. I want my horses! I want my swords and shields! I want my ranks! I want my dragons!
There were A LOT of mid rolls in this vid
😊😊
Thanks for video but I think it’s a stupid idea to start rebasing classical armies in this tow hype. It’s a waste of both time and resources. Luckily there are these great movement tray things to fix issues.
I've got so many models to rebase...
It hurts my dark heart that chaos doenst have crushers, and these demigriffs is still around......
Given that the old world is set a couple of centuries before Warhammer Fantasy Battles, I would have liked to see some sense of technological progression for the empire and quite frankly fashion. This is the one faction I would have liked to have seen a re-imagining rather than just using the old models.
New models will come if this shit sells
They said they didnt change too much so you can use the old models. So they kept gunpowder and steam tanks in the lore
@@TheBE730 Yeah I get that, I think it was the wrong call. Weirdly the new Cities of Sigmar models are a much better fit.
@@kayosiiii steamtanks are already like 200 years old in the old world. The only thing that shouldn't exist is the rocket battery
Why? The empire's fashion and technology was largely unchanged, and if anything, they simply had more of certain things which they lost later, such as steam tanks.
No warwagon? Boo!
I don't get the need for base size changes, thats a massive turn off for anybody that has an old army. Given this whole re-release is a nostalgia hit who is it aimed at if not old returning players?
Because a lot of models don't rank up properly, and others only rank up with great effort. Newer sculpts continued to make this harder.
I don't really get what is hard to understand about increasing base sizes it makes a lot of sense. If you don't like it just get movement trays for 20mm that increase the sizes of the spacing to 25mm and save yourself the work.
Models rank better, everyone who debased for sigmar, THE FACT THAT THE RULES ARE EASILY MANAGED WITH "WRONG" BASE SIZES, etc.
The sheer amount of whining around this has blown my mind, even by standard GW salt levels.
Avatars of War is already offering base additions that slide on and convert your infantry and cavalry to the new base size without rebasing
A nostalgia hit.
Nostalgia-when GW wants you to re-buy models for an old line of models and books for twice the cost.