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I made a lot of money with my Haas Super Mini Mill 2, it was pretty affordable. I outgrew it after 4 years and bought a SMEC MCV 4300. Haas make a great machine, especially if it's your first day out of prison. Anyone can run a Haas.
I’ve actually had this dude overnight parts to Houston tx to be able to align a haas lathe st30 to be exact… I highly recommended doing business with him
Your analysis of what machine to get is right on. I bought a used (2003) mini-mill a few years ago to put in my garage. I'm very happy with it - it is the perfect size and it runs on 240V single phase - which is something you left out. Fortunately, I used to have a mini-mill at work so I knew the control very well, but someone who was new to these machines would only need a day of training from Haas or the local HFO. Your videos are great - I can't say enough about them.
Ive had a lot success with Taiwanese machines. we own a small feeler chucker lathe we picked up for $4k (cad) with some minor issues, mainly the hydraulic switches for the chuck and turret. But parts were easy to get and replace, it's super accurate and fast, 8 tool turret and coolant. The tormachs we were looking at were far more expensive with no coolant or tool changer when we were looking at them. Our yang smv-600 has been an absolute champion, got it for $8k (cad) 20 tool changer, 8k rpm spindle and flood coolant, hasn't given me any troubles in the 2 years of ownership.
@barrychopsticks I have a feeler turning center. And a yang milling center. Both are late 90s models and Fanuc control. So far both have been really good for getting questions quickly answered from the manufacturers.
This is an advanced video. For starters, cnc lathe is very good. Then 3 axis mill, with through spindle coolant. You can upgrade it to 4 axis in no time. Personally, for me, used hurco lathe and mill. They are conversational machines, you can program something simple very, very fast. They have graphics monitor. Newer machines have dynamic milling options and they have graphics screen. It is so unreal to press alt and measure on screen with a pen!! They also support NC programs, so CAM is the way. Some older software versions are buggy tho, so if you can, 2014+ machines are the way to go. For the fourth axis, Kitagawa Japan all the way. We got lucky, but it survived a few minor crashes. 0.02mm of wobble, for our applications, no need to repair.
Would be nice to get your input on what year range is a good starting point for say a company that is upgrading from "Tormach 1100M" starter machine to a VF2 and a SL 10 or 20 for a shop that needs both mill and lathe. AND what year range to stay away from, what year range is just to old?
Buy a 20-25 year old Okuma LB lathe or VR-40 Mill from an aluminum/steel machine shop. No cast iron. With proper care, will run another 20 years and hold .0005 all day long.
I hope you're channel grows so you can test desktop machines, REAL tests. the haas VS okuma VS doosan is irrelevant. "what can you expect for under 10K"
I have a old lathe that's been a very good machine but the turret shaft broke I can't find one new or used. It's a yam ck1. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
If you're buying new, doosan is the number one option right now, haas are usually priced higher for a machine that is no where near doosan, but second hand I love DMG machines personally, the support for older machines is a bit shit, but you can get by if problems happen, which are rare on these old stable machines.
I’m a field service engineer and I can back up this statement only by saying I’ve seen shops beat the piss out of every one of their doosan pumas and sadly they just keep on trucking
I just bought a Fadal 4020 for my garage. It’s not going to work because my foundation is 3-4 inches. The machine is 10k pounds. This is my first time starting a business from home garage. I screwed up already haha . Nice video man ! Subd
Hoping that you still have the machine, if it isn't figured out yet, pour some self leveling non compressible grout and put a big steel plate on it. Put the machine on the plate and go to work. Level it, clean it, check everything, make chips.
I would absolutely love a small Haas lathe in my shop, but I hate their at machine programming. The "conversational" is clumsy and takes too long for one off parts and I feel you shouldn't have to rely on CAM software for a simple 2-axis lathe.
Great video. Exactly the questions I have. Watching all your content. Building small retirement shop. Looking to add 2002 Haas mini mill. What are your thoughts? I have limited power which makes this machine appealing for me. Additionally the cost is low and will allow me to learn and start small. This will add capability to my existing lathe and Bridgeport.
At a job interview for CNC field service I was asked, "Mechanic or Electronics,? Don't say both. My answer was "both." No one is safe when an inexperienced supervisor thinks that it would not be both. The authorized training schools that give the certification do both.
Have you had any experience with customers who have imported no-name CNCs? I have priced them out just for the heck of it and was shocked to see them about a 1/3 of cost of a similar speced Haas VF.
I’ve made allot of cash with Haas. By far not the best machines but end of the day I have parts and I have good money. If I wanted sexy ide buy a Porsche or a boat lol If I were where I was 5 years ago I would grab one of the new Doosan (DN CNC) Theryre basically the same price but better built
@@jesselarson2570 Don’t work in a shop I’ve been an applications Engineer in 🇬🇧 for 30 year now started @ Mazak I’ve worked for DMG/Okuma/ now @ WFL…Haas have weak spindles…the rigidity is not their and they are unreliable..when pushed hard..what they do have is excellent service…and I can’t not say that…but for the Money their are much better more reliable stronger machine OEMs out their Doosan for a start…their built better in every way from metals in the casting to spindles electricals even the sheet metal work is better..and Fanuc is bomb proof…
I made a lot of money with my Haas Super Mini Mill 2, it was pretty affordable. I outgrew it after 4 years and bought a SMEC MCV 4300. Haas make a great machine, especially if it's your first day out of prison. Anyone can run a Haas.
What method did you use to generate 3-phase power?
@@skaelring-xj3gq it was already connected in the building.
I’ve actually had this dude overnight parts to Houston tx to be able to align a haas lathe st30 to be exact… I highly recommended doing business with him
HAAS is simple.
Your analysis of what machine to get is right on. I bought a used (2003) mini-mill a few years ago to put in my garage. I'm very happy with it - it is the perfect size and it runs on 240V single phase - which is something you left out. Fortunately, I used to have a mini-mill at work so I knew the control very well, but someone who was new to these machines would only need a day of training from Haas or the local HFO. Your videos are great - I can't say enough about them.
Glad you are happy with your old gal! We love our machines too and love to hear them in great care and appreciation!
This is exactly what I have in mind. Thanks for sharing.
Ive had a lot success with Taiwanese machines. we own a small feeler chucker lathe we picked up for $4k (cad) with some minor issues, mainly the hydraulic switches for the chuck and turret. But parts were easy to get and replace, it's super accurate and fast, 8 tool turret and coolant. The tormachs we were looking at were far more expensive with no coolant or tool changer when we were looking at them. Our yang smv-600 has been an absolute champion, got it for $8k (cad) 20 tool changer, 8k rpm spindle and flood coolant, hasn't given me any troubles in the 2 years of ownership.
@barrychopsticks I have a feeler turning center. And a yang milling center. Both are late 90s models and Fanuc control. So far both have been really good for getting questions quickly answered from the manufacturers.
Enjoy the channel! Great content!
A great video idea(s)
-comparing the generations of Haas controls
-lathe models by year and generation
Fantastic, found me a new channel to binge watch lol. Love to know your thoughts on DIY or buy and whats a good price to pay for second hand? Cheers J
This guy is the best!!
I'm beyond freaked out to buy a used 3 axis mill. Trying to finance a new one just isn't an option, though.
This is an advanced video. For starters, cnc lathe is very good. Then 3 axis mill, with through spindle coolant. You can upgrade it to 4 axis in no time. Personally, for me, used hurco lathe and mill. They are conversational machines, you can program something simple very, very fast. They have graphics monitor. Newer machines have dynamic milling options and they have graphics screen. It is so unreal to press alt and measure on screen with a pen!! They also support NC programs, so CAM is the way. Some older software versions are buggy tho, so if you can, 2014+ machines are the way to go. For the fourth axis, Kitagawa Japan all the way. We got lucky, but it survived a few minor crashes. 0.02mm of wobble, for our applications, no need to repair.
Haas is not the best but it has the best support and the control is very friendly and the repair is not expensive as other brands 👍👍👍👍
Would be nice to get your input on what year range is a good starting point for say a company that is upgrading from "Tormach 1100M" starter machine to a VF2 and a SL 10 or 20 for a shop that needs both mill and lathe. AND what year range to stay away from, what year range is just to old?
Buy a 20-25 year old Okuma LB lathe or VR-40 Mill from an aluminum/steel machine shop. No cast iron. With proper care, will run another 20 years and hold .0005 all day long.
True
what about learning to program the okuma lb where can I get a post processor?
?? SL10, SL20 ?? It would be helpful (to a new user) if you said what BRANDS these are. I suspect the afore mentioned are MDL #.
I hope you're channel grows so you can test desktop machines, REAL tests. the haas VS okuma VS doosan is irrelevant. "what can you expect for under 10K"
I have a old lathe that's been a very good machine but the turret shaft broke I can't find one new or used. It's a yam ck1. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated
I live in Alabama. My question is who are some reliable dealers that can be trusted. I am looking for a used sl10 or a tl1.
Okuma. SNK. No one touches them.
If you're buying new, doosan is the number one option right now, haas are usually priced higher for a machine that is no where near doosan, but second hand I love DMG machines personally, the support for older machines is a bit shit, but you can get by if problems happen, which are rare on these old stable machines.
I’m a field service engineer and I can back up this statement only by saying I’ve seen shops beat the piss out of every one of their doosan pumas and sadly they just keep on trucking
@@josephrudd488 Doosan are just awesome, absolutely put haas to shame every time.
I just bought a Fadal 4020 for my garage. It’s not going to work because my foundation is 3-4 inches. The machine is 10k pounds. This is my first time starting a business from home garage. I screwed up already haha . Nice video man ! Subd
Dude, I think you’re fine. Don’t worry about it! Just get it rough leveled and start making parts.
Hoping that you still have the machine, if it isn't figured out yet, pour some self leveling non compressible grout and put a big steel plate on it. Put the machine on the plate and go to work. Level it, clean it, check everything, make chips.
I would absolutely love a small Haas lathe in my shop, but I hate their at machine programming. The "conversational" is clumsy and takes too long for one off parts and I feel you shouldn't have to rely on CAM software for a simple 2-axis lathe.
yes, their control is superior.....but after that, I can't say
I liked how they'd alarm out before destroying part self
Great video. Exactly the questions I have. Watching all your content.
Building small retirement shop. Looking to add 2002 Haas mini mill. What are your thoughts? I have limited power which makes this machine appealing for me. Additionally the cost is low and will allow me to learn and start small. This will add capability to my existing lathe and Bridgeport.
That will be a good fit. The tool room machines are good for this
At a job interview for CNC field service I was asked, "Mechanic or Electronics,? Don't say both. My answer was "both." No one is safe when an inexperienced supervisor thinks
that it would not be both. The authorized training schools that give the certification do both.
Have you had any experience with customers who have imported no-name CNCs? I have priced them out just for the heck of it and was shocked to see them about a 1/3 of cost of a similar speced Haas VF.
Well most people who buy those types of machines do not hire and CNC tech
If it wasn't for mazaks breaking all day I wouldn't have a job 😅
What about the Japanese machines like hitachi?
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@@cncrepairman what does that even mean 🤨
That's a good luck, he covered Hitachi seki in the video he did on used machines.
Not a Haas that’s for sure.
You can say that ten times lol
Over the last few years, I've bought exacly the the machines he just suggested. Works great for me.
I’ve made allot of cash with Haas. By far not the best machines but end of the day I have parts and I have good money. If I wanted sexy ide buy a Porsche or a boat lol If I were where I was 5 years ago I would grab one of the new Doosan (DN CNC) Theryre basically the same price but better built
Why not a haas? what brand do you prefer at your shop?
@@jesselarson2570 Don’t work in a shop I’ve been an applications Engineer in 🇬🇧 for 30 year now started @ Mazak I’ve worked for DMG/Okuma/ now @ WFL…Haas have weak spindles…the rigidity is not their and they are unreliable..when pushed hard..what they do have is excellent service…and I can’t not say that…but for the Money their are much better more reliable stronger machine OEMs out their Doosan for a start…their built better in every way from metals in the casting to spindles electricals even the sheet metal work is better..and Fanuc is bomb proof…
What the HELL happened to that lathe in the background?
Dude, it’s in rough shape man. I got it for 3500 but it has nothing in the back.
@@cncrepairman was it on fire?? That looks like the sl20 we have at work. Great machine.