He is a grown ass man, this goes to show the level traumatizing damage you can cause a child... he is now a grown man scared beyond feelings... we need to protect our children better.... this hurt to watch....
@@samirataubmann There should definitely be but that’s kind of difficult when a large percentage of the law makers and politicians are doing it too. I don’t doubt that they’re actually trying to make it legal. I have read that. It’s disgusting
@@thegreenmanofnorwichThey didn’t have to say exactly what the situation was. All they had to say was it was a conflict of interest and remain professional
will go to jail for premed murder** forget the license, they violated every standard of nursing care and neglected to protect and ensure the well-being of the patient with logical and predetermined thought. That is a lifetime of jail.
When any medical staff takes action against any patient for whatever reason it's not only grounds for losing your license, you can be criminally charged as well.
@@TC-dw6wg thinking that police should be held criminally liable when they take an innocent persons life or use unnecessary force which causes loss of life is immature? I think you need a long hard look in the mirror. Police also swear to their oath to protect and serve. It should be criminally enforced.
@@carriehalsey2443 They didn’t outright tell the main doctor what the exact issue was and they kept going petty stuff, I get that the guy was a monster but aren’t there rules saying a doctor has to treat someone no matter? what
@@carriehalsey2443They didn't notify the main care provider and proceeded to provide less than optimal Healthcare because of personal feelings. That can (and in the real world, would) lead to lawsuits.
@carriehalsey2443 I agree with what everyone else stated. As hard as it is, whoever they are and whatever they did stays outside of the hospital doors. Hank leaving was one thing. He was a victim, but those other nurses went about this wrong by not informing the primary care doc and intentionally causing harm. Rally around Hank, but the patient is still a patient. As easy as it is to say, I hope I can remember this when I'm in medicine
@@NathanRowatno they didn’t. It wasn’t their business to tell and in the episode, all nurses provided the minimum care they needed to. This short clip says nothing. By the end of the episode you realise the nurses did what they should’ve.
Paramedic here, we operate under the Hippocratic oath, which states to do no harm, every nurse there would be fired and arrested, no matter who the patient is we do our jobs, we are not the judge, we are not the jury. We are here to help those in need. (Edit) I can only speak for me on this, but I was true to my oath, I helped any and all I was called to, no matter who they were, I am not God, I am not a judge or jury, God will judge all in the end, so for those saying I should have done different, remember, God knows everything you have done, and WILL judge you in your death. I did my job as best as I could, and saved as many people as I could. For those asking if I was ever in danger, or in dangerous situations, yes, I was, but thankfully got out without a scratch and kept my patient alive in the process, EMS can be dangerous, but it is a fulfilling line of work. And yes for the person that asked, because I operated under a physician license I took the oath. For those of you getting upset, please remember this is a TV show and is not real.
A nurse is still human, they have to still save his life like anyone else, but they don't need to pretend they don't have a distaste for someone that's a child predator. They just can't be petty.
One of the hardest things I had to come to terms with as a combat medic that id have to help the enemy if I come across a wounded one, best bet is to just turn of your brain and simply follow whatever you learned and just function don't think about it just see it as an exam of sorts were you can't fail.
The fact that he asked and genuinely cared about what was going on with his nurse , they shut him out and basically closed the door in his face is so wrong. I sympathize with the nurse but the others handled that very wrong.
I hate the other nurses, they refused to tell the main doctor (their lead) about the patient even when he asked multiple times why they aren’t giving the patient proper treatment.
Right?? Id be like “Look I dont give a damn about why you’re trying to keep secrets tell me now or you’re fired. If I cant trust you I dont need you. Explain. Now.”
Ehhhh yeah I think your comment here is a little too.... Trashy. So I don't think your being cool/right in this situation... Good luck on defending chil* mol*ster tho. Sure you'll end up in same situation.
Read a comment on another video from a nurse who said that when she has to treat people like that, she does it as fast as possible and and only interacts when necessary
Loved that they all looked out for him. He had the right to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. It was right for him to walk away, but as someone who is in the health profession, our job is not to judge, our job is to give health care. We do not have to like it, it's just the reality of it. The other nurses could have still been professional while taking over the care. Does not need to have remorse for the patient, but just give the care needed and he can go once the doctor discharge him.
Former Emergency Medicine doctor here, while I understand and sympathise with the first nurse’s trauma. The other nurses were extremely incompetent and unprofessional. As someone who’s treated criminals and convicted individuals, as disturbing as it gets, it’s our duty to treat patients irrespective of our feelings. What we feel during out duty hours, can be felt to the core after we get off work. Edit: wtf. So many likes?! Didn’t expect that lmao. I see some comments below I need to address. First and foremost, the Oath people talk about is symbolic. We’re taught about doctor-patient relationships and ethics and other legal rights in med school. And second, yes, medical practitioners absolutely have the right to refuse to provide treatment and care, it’s within our rights to do so. But what I’m talking about is, after the first nurse declined to provide care, all the other nurses blatantly ignored and refused as well which is unethical. Third, the doctor on duty in this situation is well, I don’t know how to put this, but aloof I guess? He should’ve taken charge and made it his priority to find out what’s wrong asap. Instead, he just waited around. Most colleagues and myself in this situation would probably go and draw the blood out ourselves. We all just want to go home and sleep lol. Fourth, I’ve seen comments about what doctors feel while providing care. After a while of seeing so much suffering, I’ve mostly numbed myself. But after we get off work, we do feel terribly sad about some things we see. Just like how soldiers put aside and go beyond their fear, we’re trained to do something similar as well. Thank you!
This is the best comment I've read on this thread. In my honest opinion, medical professionals treat child molesters, murderers, and abusers all day long. It just so happened that this male nurse told someone about his abuser. Most don't. So how can you treat him differently when most deviants hide their dirt. Plus, don't y'all take an oath to cause no harm? Thank you sir for your dedication to your job.
Thank you for your commitment to ethical practice. Former ER nurse, and empathize with your response. Although this is a drama, it’s also very real in the field, and ethics are not always honored when personal feelings interject. Thank you, for maintaining lawful judgment, for the sake of humanity.
You can opt out, right ?? Inform that you had bad experiences and you are biased, so you dont want to be his/her nurse/doctor. Or you are obligated to keep treating that patient ??
They didn’t kill the man, he died of something the scans didn’t show for if I remember correctly. The main doctor assumed one of the nurses flooded him with adrenaline, but he died of natural causes
@@garlord43 they could just use the argument the patient kept moving, which does cause erroneous needle placement. It’s like trying to draw on a piece of paper that’s moving.
I liked partially how supportive the nurses where towards their colleague. They hugged him, told him to go home. But I also liked the doctor reaction. Yeah, the patient was a monster, but they had to treat him.
Anytime a young man or woman tells me they want to be a paramedic I ask then the same question. It's not, "Can you handle blood and guts?" It's "While your partner is wrapping a kid's arm that was broken when his dad hit him and knocked him down the stairs, can you be treating the dad's scraped knuckles without throwing him down the stairs yourself?" If you can't, than don't sign up. That's the job, like it or not.
@@amandalicorne7769 You are not on your own. My wife is a big fan of those murder shows on TV. I have to get up and leave the room if it is child, female or elderly abuse case. I have seen too much of it and there is a reason I stopped being a medic years ago. I could not keep my impartiality, and I have nothing but respect for the men and women who serve in the medical community who can.
You're not wrong. I made a friend promise that if I start to lose my compassion tell me because it's time to do something else. 3 years later I left to do something else. 2 years after than my buddy did too. Sometimes you feel like a hero, other times you feel like trash but that's the job.
Only because you're complacent in it. It's always "that's just how it is", "that's just the job", "it is what it is" until people actually do something about it. Acting all helpless until someone stronger starts doing something you can't.
Speaking as a nurse and let me make this clear....this is TV! I have had some unscrupulous people in my care but I did my job. Real nurses conduct themselves with professionalism .
@@kathconserv everybody knows it’s fake, but it’s infuriating when the show does stuff like this because it should have at least a bit of realism. they could have written a better episode that was just as dramatic. having the nurses battle with their emotions because they have to do their job would have been a great episode.
@@siryarianthefirst3360in the end of the episode it shows the nurses DID follow protocall as thwy should've pedo just had natural karma catch up to him. the blood one was made a red herring to make you THINK it was the nurses so end of episode they can plot twist and be like "welp i guess the bastard got what was coming"
So in other words, y'all bitches that like to break your oath the long way huh..... Cuz nothing about helping predators that are NOT people is helpful to anyone smh
Doctors may write orders but they can not command a nurse to anything outside of them doing a procedure or in a non emergency situation. Ergo the Dr. has no authority over what is happening with the nurse in distress and the nurse is allowed their privacy.
@@cocomelon2346can't say much tbh, doctor's main morals are to save lives and don't care about their background, if they do care about it then it's their problem to save or not
@@JackL.Carlos facts the justice system takes care of that but If you are a person that suffered from a type of thing like that as a child and still want to become a doctor later better just not do it cause even if you don't meet the person who scared you while in the hospital you will be working with other predators other than the one that scared you and if you can deal with those but not the first one then being a nurse or doctor isn't the path for you as you need to be neutral in emotions to be efficient in a hospital
Doctors and nurses help to heal people worse like murderers and psychotic maniacs that have done countless things but they still help as that is what they trained to become... they became a person that helps anyone they can regardless of their background
As a nurse, we took an oath to help people regardless of who they are or what they did. We may not like if someone has done something wrong, but we are there to treat them and not let our judgments interfere with our job. If someone feels uncomfortable in such a situation, notify your head nurse and have someone else take over. Doing harm to any patient is just as bad.
@@LauraMarin2709 No it isn't easy. I have my own mental trauma, but I can't let that cloud my judgment when I work or else I would not be able to provide proper care to patients.
In case anyone was wondering, the patient wasn’t murdered. “Ghosts in the Attic” - Choi’s case of the week was immediately ominous. One of the nurses panicked when he saw the patient, and Choi couldn’t figure out why-April closed the curtain in his face rather than tell him what Hank’s problem was. Even when he pressed, she said only that the other nurse “wasn’t feeling well,” which was an obvious fib. That was more than a little unprofessional. That left Choi working with a med student, because all of the nurses decided they weren’t going to work on his patient. That’s because, as Monique finally said, the patient was a child molester. Choi confronted April about withholding care to a patient, and the hospital’s ethical obligation to treat him like anyone else. An angry April warned him she’d only provide “the bare minimum” of treatment, so Choi told her to avoid the patient altogether. But she was suspiciously there when the man crashed and promptly died. Did April kill him? That’s what Choi believed after he found four doses of epinephrine in the trash when there should have only been one. He brought his suspicions to April, who came up with all kinds of other excuses before finally saying all she’d done was give the man a glass of water. Dr. Nina Shore later found that a tumor caused the elevated epinephrine levels. April was innocent, but that didn’t mean she forgave Choi.
I completely understand the traumatized nurses perspective, not wanting to be actively taking care of somebody who traumatized you, because of your personal relationship with that person. However, the other nurses have an active duty to take care of him as a patient. What they did was not right, and is considered medical negligence, no matter how bad of a person he might be he still is a patient and should be treated as such
I’ve been a RN for a long time and we are often put in situations like this one where our patient has a background that we don’t agree with…..but we also took an oath to help people and in situations like this you put your feelings aside to do the job you are being paid to do
Yeah, I don't get how they could treat their lead like he's at fault. Had someone told him anything at the start, he could have found a compromise. Instead, he has to threaten his nurses because they're mad he doesn't know what they aren't telling him. As others have said, it leaves the hospital open to a lawsuit. No one else is going to care why they denied treatment. At least beyond Hank.
My friend is a surgical nurse… One night he was filling in in the ER because they were short staffed (per usual) he had just finished up a surgery on a little girl the day before who was BRUTALLY raped, and in comes the man who did it, cuffed to a bed, needing stitches for the gashes she scraped into his arm… He said after having to do that, he began to SERIOUSLY think twice about his choice of careers… I just let him talk it out and listened, because there was NO amount of comfort my words could’ve done to ease his mental state after that
Reason 564 why I refused to stay in the medical field or further my career. I genuinely couldn’t care for someone like that. Kudos to the nurses and doctors who can and do all they do, y’all are way better than me.
I understand you, but what if it’s a child of yours or it was you that was the victim of trauma? Easy for you to type that in the comfort of your own well being without actually put in the situation
I understand he is child molester but tell the doctor or your boss the situation instead of getting fired for being rude to a patient if the doctor or boss doesn't know the situation and i hate the nurse was upset that the doctor though she kill him even tho how everyone acted he should have the right to assume they did something to him
Exactly. I can’t say for certain that I would be able to keep my professional standards and care for someone I knew was a CM or worse… but that’s why I’m not a nurse
Regardless of who they are or what they did if you're a Doctor or a nurse you job is to treat the person or people who are taken to ICU the ER or Walk through the front door but it looks like the nurses just let him die. [Edit] let me know what you think?
@@Thelumberjack558 He's been taken to court but got set free because it was his words over a child. He still had been able to teach kids privately which give him the opportunity to touch more kids.The court is still set him free because there isn't any much evidence to prove of his wrong doings plus the case is closed, it gonna take a while for it to reopened. The nurse didn't even went to jail because when they did a scan, he died from natural causes.
And now they should be fired and jailed. As a healthcare professional, it is not your job to pass judgment on people for things they have done. Call the cops, and he'll get shanked in prison. Now, you guy violated your oath
what a crock medical professionals mk assumptions abt patients b4 them everyday & act on those biases as well. Which is why it's been proven that the level of care a patient receives oft differs along racial & or poverty lines.
The sad part is a grown man is too much of a puss to realize that he’s not 11 years old anymore. Running off like a scared little kid…pathetic. Deal with the situation and then move on to the next. Bullshit drama. Grown women acting like 12 year old school girls.
As an ER doctor, my mother has treated literal terrorists. You don’t get to choose who you treat. You act professionally and treat them like human beings, even if you don’t believe they really are. It is not up to you to decide their fate.
Actually, it is lmao. That's the whole point of choice and free will. Only by legality are doctors bound by that silly hypocritic oath. Cut the higher than thou BS, and tell me you would be fine treating someone who graped or killed someone you knew and cared about.
@@Gloomyraindropthat's the job sometimes. If you don't like it then don't go into medical care. During my time in the ER in a Chicago hospital I had to treat a drunk driver who killed a pregnant mother while in the same ER they were trying to save the mother and child. I can't even tell you how many handcuffed individuals we had to treat not even knowing what they'd done in a lot of cases. We treated inmates from the jail too. We don't choose what happens to people who break the law. That's not our job. Our job is to provide medical care to people who need it. Sometimes it's not what you'd prefer to do but it's not our job to choose.
TL/DR: The nurses didn't like the patient, but they didn't kill him. He had a tumor in his adrenal gland that flooded him with adrenaline. When the patient coded, EPI wouldn't have saved him. It also didn't really make things worse. It would have been like tossing a candle into a burning bonfire.
Unpopular opinion but those are things you need to consider if you are going to choose a public service profession. You don't get to pick and choose who you treat.
Maybe that should change. Not only do I think predators shouldn't be helped at all, but even if they do get o receive any treatment, any and all doctors should have full rights to refuse service. I personally find it inhumane and cruel to force anyone, regardless of profession, to work on a pedator. No one should be barred from being a doctor (which we already have a shortage of) simply because they have a *SHRED* of morality.
@@fredericksaxton9782 ah but here's the rub. The only person in this episode who knows beyond a doubt what this man did was his victim. You think it's ok to let someone die because they are accused of being a predator? And if you open that box where does it stop? It starts with sex offenders, but maybe i think drug dealers dont deserve to be treated, do we just let each individual decide for themselves who does and does not deserve treatment? also i find it ironic that you say noone should be stopped from being a dr for having a shred of morality. In what world is it objectively moral to refuse medical treatment to a fellow human being due to acts they may or may not have committed?
@@fredericksaxton9782 your line of thinking is what allowed gay people to be outright refused medical care or worse tortured by doctors You are not omnipotent so instead of pretending you have the knowledge to be judge jury and executioner ... if your job is medical provider stick to your job and do your job professionally
@@fredericksaxton9782 The problem is you are not the judge. Regardless of circumstance, you don't know much about the situation beyond what you see and are told in the hospital. That's for the courts to figure out, not you as a medical care provider. This is practically just another form of vigilante justice and we know what happens when vigilanteism gets out of hand. Nobody would be trusting nurses.
As a health care provider, you dont get to choose who gets proper medical tr÷atment and who doesn't. The disdain they felt for this patient was understandable but they cannot delibrately contribute to his death. Yes, Hank needed to go home but he was the only one excused from the patient's needs..
I have to disagree there are plenty of Healthcare workers doctors and hospital admins that refuse to give proper care. Look at how conservative or religious zelots treat women who need an abortion for lifesaving care or a trans person for any care. Plenty of garbage in Healthcare aso plenty of nurses and doctors that treated civid like a joke and got paitinats killed suggesting quack treatments.
Imagine being a research coordinator and seeing the teacher that was abusing you in third grade in the same hospital one works at and that teacher is now a breast cancer patient and one has to consent her and recruit her for a cancer study.😢
So sorry & so wrong. My abuser had the nerve to come into my shop and ask me to help him. Apologized & finally acknowledged what he did because he became a dad & had 7 girls. Then when confirmed by my husband because he continued coming in & even hitting on me he denied everything saying I wanted him in high school. So gross and so twisted how things happens in this world. Praying for healing for you & your family. You are a warrior to be above it & provide what’s necessary.
@@paula_the_raccoonI would still be kind to them. I am not there to make things worse. I treat everyone in my care with kindness and compassion. I am not a judge or jury. I am there to care and treat regardless of what someone has done or been through. I will do my best for everyone
If I felt unable to care for someone because of my personal beliefs about someone I would get someone else to care for them in my place. Everyone is entitled to be cared for in their hour of need
Its funny how people think its ok to do stuff like this at work. Like if there's an issue, you have to communicate it with your team, none of this gossip girl nonsense. They actively bullied the doctor who had nothing to do by not letting him know and then closing the curtain in his face like that.
First of all that “gossip girl nonsense” was a bunch of women supporting a sexual abuse victim. In no way shape or form is what they did to that man okay. You cannot simply not treat a patient. You cannot do things to get back at people these people are all under oath to help him no matter who he is. They messed up royally by not telling their boss what was going on right away. But unless you’re a sexual assault victim who is in the middle of having a panic attack right in the middle of the ER or wherever they are you have no idea what’s going through his head. They had every right to close that curtain and figure out what was going on. Most abuse victims don’t want to- in front of a bunch of people- say hey I was molested by that man. The moment they sent that nurse home they should’ve told the dr. One of the 3/4 nurses should’ve stepped out and told the dr what was going on. But you need to definitely find new ways to define things other than “gossip girl nonsense” (perhaps professionalism?) because if that MAN didn’t rape him none of the “gossip girl nonsense” would’ve happened.
If I remember right, his guess about the malpractice from the nurses is incorrect. However given the fact that they wouldn’t even try to explain the situation to the person that needs to know doesn’t exactly surprise me that he would go to that conclusion.
man if the nurses does this they gonna loose license. We as a healthcare workers are bound to treat all the patients that come in seeking treatment. Rest is for the law enforcement.
@@MannyCoon🤨😐 nobody is okay with it but doctors and nurses are not the judges so it's not their job to hold treatment as punishment they get the job done and move to the next person
@@smile871 Nope same difference. If they were willing to do that and think they could get away with it, then they would be willing to harm again. So original statement stands; Nothing of value was lost, both times.
@@are_you_f_serious get over yourself. Rape/molestation is not gender specific. The fact they were all women was nothing but a moot point. They were obligated to inform their boss what was going on. Everything they did was wrong. So get your head out of your ass and stop playing gender favorites.
You clearly have never been tortured as a child like that poor man was or those women were and it shows. You can't just tell people, it changes how they treat you and often is used against the victim and even worse is sometimes recreated by new abusers. You'd be worse than a fool to open your trap in a professional environment.
@@AvaNightingaleThis is the real world. Grow up. Raped when you were 11? I’m sorry that happened to you. You’re now 30. Time to handle things like a grown person, not an 11 year old. This isn’t middle school anymore.
@@TKRAYKATS that's the police, the judge and the prison wardens jobs Also, if you're a nurse and you did that, you're still gonna get penalized for breaking your oath to not harm people, in short, a malpractice charge
@@TKRAYKATS so you're gonna leave your life in someone else's personal morals, ethics, ideals and beliefs in a place where you seeked medical assistance? If that were to happen many nurses would've killed and tortured many people just cause of their respective prejudices, racism, classism, ageism would've been grounds for torture and legalized murder Are these the hospitals you envision?
@@TKRAYKATS That wasn't justice, it was vengeance. Does the criminal justice system work, not as much as they like to preach about it, but that doesn't mean you get to go around killing everyone just because you have the power to. Especially when you took an oath specifically to care for people, regardless of who they are.
Paragraph person here Ill give cliffnotes to whoever wants to know. Guy came in and the nurse recognized him, he had a panic attack and the nurses closed the curtain. The male nursed told them the man their treating is the man who raped him when he was young but because it was the kids word against the teacher they let the guy go so good chance he has done the same to other kids. The main male nurse said in short (and incredibly fake sympathy)"i get it but were here to do our jobs" the other nurses avoid him as much as possible unless absolutely necessary the one nurse stuck him a bunch of times because he was moving alot and she did take her feelings out in that moment. Later the guy dies and the main male nurse finds multiple syringes in the trash thinking the nurse that drew his blood overdosed him and he questions her she says she went to get him some water but that was all. Still not believing her he sweet talks the morition into giving him early access to his autopsy and the female nurse told the truth he ended up dying of an adrenal tumor. He gives a somewhat apology also admitting he had a chip on his shoulder because he hid feelings about how she hid feelings.
Thx. I too am a paragraph writer. I wrote my piece without context but it was bc this episode was such a HUGE piece of fiction In medicine we talk about EVERYTHING all the time anyways (poop stories etc) so we don't usually hide this crap either. We would provide care and do everything possible NOT to give someone who might be dirt a reason to sue. Maybe he's a molester. Maybe not. I'd have no way to know I wouldn't be friends but I wouldn't be rude or misuse my authority/power to provide care and necessity like food, water and meds. CERTAINLY I'd not put myself in a position where I could be accused of intentionally causing harm... I'll leave that hypocrisy to the piano teacher
@annemiller8227 I have to give you alot of praise then for being in the medical field. I know I couldn't be in that field because if a man like that was on a bed their is no way I would treat him as fairly, I'll admit that. And I'm not being snarky thank you for honestly being one of the few strong ones
@@jedimando9258 I wish I could pretend I'm a great person. But I have just seen that an accusation is not the same as actual guilt. I have personally seen people who have made "credible accusations" crumble under scrutiny and later admit it wasn't "quite' the way they made it sound So if I'm going to take some ones life (and don't get me wrong I WOULD in certain situations) or let some one die (I have watched SEVERAL people die bc nothing could be done to prevent it) I want to be sure it's not bx I have decided something that is not mine to determine. In the scene the audience doesn't ACTUALLY know that he's guilty. The nurse is upset. That's it. No one actually knows the truth. We have seen stories that have twists where the situation isn't at all like it seems. Since I believe in God I believe no one ever escapes justice. It just may be delayed for awhile and I am sure I will never have all the information I have to live with myself and have nightmares some times that I "missed" something important and someone died. So I will let others be judgemental. I have enough nightmares
Having a father who is a licensed medical doctor and a mother who is a licensed nurse, I can't tell you how many times they had to treat very evil people. I remember asking my dad and mother one time if the person was evil. Why not let them die? They both looked at me with straight faces and said We took an oath to save people no matter what they have done."" So this right here boils my blood. If your personal feelings keep you from doing your job that you are sworn to do, you need to get out of that job. I am a licensed psychiatrist. I've analyzed molesters, rapists, and murderers. Do I like what they have done? No, but Im not gonna let my personal feelings stop me from doing my job correctly. You can say whatever you want in the replies. I just feel my job is more important to me.
I’m studying to become a clinical psychologist specialising in treating people with trauma, and although i do acknowledge that many perpetrators of sexual violence have experienced sexual violence (often chronic childhood sexual abuse) in the past, i still don’t think I would be able treat clients who have committed any abuse and/or sexual violence against anyone. because the man who raped me, and all of the men who molested me before, they ruined my life. i can barely see a way out these days and my aspiration to help those who have been in a situation like mine is the only future i see myself in. i have so much anger towards such injustice and all of the pain that such crimes cause, and how so little of these perpetrators end up being imprisoned (where at least they could get some sort of counselling for their deviant behaviour with a criminal psychologist). maybe i’m still too early in my recovery given that the most recent rape only happened 3 years ago, and i still have years to go before being able to achieve a Masters and be licensed to provide therapy (which means many years of attending my own therapy to process the sexual traumas). it just always makes me wonder if i’m the one with the problem if i can’t imagine being impartial to a rapist who walks through my doors, even when being a therapist means also doing no harm and reserving judgement - instead i might go into freeze, immediately get him to leave, and have a flashback while sobbing curled up on a sofa in the therapy room.
@@michaels.starnes194 my problem with this episode is that it automatically assumes the nurse is telling the truth and the patient is guilty. We have seen enough stories with twists (both in real life and not) to know that someone freaking out is not the same as guilt. It could have been twins separated at birth. It could have been the nurse lying for an undisclosed reason. Someone getting really upset at the sight of you is not a reason to allow someone to get poor health care or even die Letting someone possibly die just based on someone getting upset is a pretty big leap. Accusations aren't the same as guilty 😕
“He’s not feeling well” the lack of communication within that establishment, if real, would be damaging. They need to tell the guy in charge what happened and what is happening.
Thats true but even prisoner go to the hospital. Police, doctors are now aloud to let them die of what he is no matter how awful the prisoner is. If the judge is sentencing the prisoner to death theirs procedures to do so
Regardless, those nurses would lose their license and get sued out for their minds for a breach of duty and damages. Any lawyer would also convince the court of negligence for the cause.
@@diegomolina9978 “Ghosts in the Attic” - Choi’s case of the week was immediately ominous. One of the nurses panicked when he saw the patient, and Choi couldn’t figure out why-April closed the curtain in his face rather than tell him what Hank’s problem was. Even when he pressed, she said only that the other nurse “wasn’t feeling well,” which was an obvious fib. That was more than a little unprofessional. That left Choi working with a med student, because all of the nurses decided they weren’t going to work on his patient. That’s because, as Monique finally said, the patient was a child molester. Choi confronted April about withholding care to a patient, and the hospital’s ethical obligation to treat him like anyone else. An angry April warned him she’d only provide “the bare minimum” of treatment, so Choi told her to avoid the patient altogether. But she was suspiciously there when the man crashed and promptly died. Did April kill him? That’s what Choi believed after he found four doses of epinephrine in the trash when there should have only been one. He brought his suspicions to April, who came up with all kinds of other excuses before finally saying all she’d done was give the man a glass of water. Dr. Nina Shore later found that a tumor caused the elevated epinephrine levels. April was innocent, but that didn’t mean she forgave Choi.
My girl works in a hospital and they are told don't look at the papers for some of the criminals they treat. Not too sure about the show but that was murder on their part regardless of what the sick fuck did. Not only would they be fired, but they'd lose their medical license and face jail time.
Nah those nurses are fired! I get people are capable of monsters things but a hospital is a neutral place. There are no good or bad people. There are patients, nothing more. You are doctors and nurses, not judges, jury or executors. You don’t get to choose who gets help and who doesn’t.
But they broke the Hippocratic oath. Sure they did things "morally", but was it really morally right? They are just nurses. They are not judges, juries and executioners. Their actions cannot be morally right, at best their actions are just morally grey.
The moral of some vigilante from kid's daydream. That's not how it works they swore oath and they Violate it. if you're unwilling you can tell it straight away to the supervisor they would understand.
Unfortunately, whether or not the accusations are true, the nurses were in the wrong. It's for a judge to decide his punishment, not the nurses. They could not only lose their jobs and their medical licenses, but if his family decides to press charges, they could end up in prison.
Nurses....To first do no harm,we take that to heart.... It's NOT our job to judge a person and choose to REFUSE medical care on your choice, dislike for the person etc...... It's our job to Treat Everyone.... Regardless of what they've done,who they are....if you can't....find another job
@@perlasandoval7883they didn’t fuck their jobs they refused to treat him because he molested the male nurse, and their will be no criminal investigation because the patient died of a tumor that they had no idea of.
A patient is still a patient. Those nurses are fired and going to jail. The hipacratic oath exists for a reason. Regardless of your beliefs or morals. You.are.not.god.
I ran an ER at a Max Security Prison for years. The 1st Nurse had a valad reason for excusing himself from caring for the patient, as he was a victim of the patient. The rest of the Nursing staff had no excuse from not being in the room caring for the patient & the 1 drawing the blood should all be brought up on disciplinary charges & turned into their State Board of Nursing.
I understand him for leaving, but those nurses could lose their jobs for what they’ve done. Their actions aren’t helpful in the slightest for future actions. Communication is needed for traumatic events.
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Thanks you so much! Most don’t post the show and you did one better. You deserve recognition!
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Now I know what to watch it.
Thank you, got a sub for that
Thank you!
He is a grown ass man, this goes to show the level traumatizing damage you can cause a child... he is now a grown man scared beyond feelings... we need to protect our children better.... this hurt to watch....
😂😂😂😂😂 hahaha, it is funny when your society doesn't see children as the king on a chess board 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Exactly, and there should be stricter laws around abusers and their punishment
@@samirataubmann
There should definitely be but that’s kind of difficult when a large percentage of the law makers and politicians are doing it too.
I don’t doubt that they’re actually trying to make it legal. I have read that. It’s disgusting
MF, he's acting. What's wrong with you?
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Communication is the number one skill you need in a medical field. Those nurses were extremely unprofessional
Not just unprofessional, but immature. They turned into high schoolers with their behavior.
I would not say high schoolers
I mean they shouldn't disclose their colleague's trauma and history, though they should still treat him.
@@thegreenmanofnorwichThey didn’t have to say exactly what the situation was. All they had to say was it was a conflict of interest and remain professional
Nurses look after eachother
The nurse did the right thing in recusing himself. The other nurses were unprofessional and can lose their licenses off that behavior.
will go to jail for premed murder** forget the license, they violated every standard of nursing care and neglected to protect and ensure the well-being of the patient with logical and predetermined thought. That is a lifetime of jail.
When ethics clash with morals
Nah you need to do your job. Many nurses are trash
@@aaronforklifterfact
Get what you are saying. But his crimes has nothing to do with his medical issues.
Good to see DK turned his life around and became a nurse
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Was just thinking that. Fast and Furious post Tokyo 😂
Donkey Kong
@@evastojanovska9166 drift king
@@evastojanovska9166 Naah, Drift King!
When any medical staff takes action against any patient for whatever reason it's not only grounds for losing your license, you can be criminally charged as well.
Try it then....lets you see you that ticket.
Yep, your happy to charge your nurses just not your police. Talk about hypocrisy.
@@Simoneelliottgrow up please. All or none thinking is beyond immature.
@@TC-dw6wg thinking that police should be held criminally liable when they take an innocent persons life or use unnecessary force which causes loss of life is immature? I think you need a long hard look in the mirror. Police also swear to their oath to protect and serve. It should be criminally enforced.
@@Simoneelliottwhat were you even mad at him over? He never even brought up the cops.
Tbh I feel super bad for the male nurse who had the trauma, but the other nurses just made things worse
How did the other nurses make it worse
@@carriehalsey2443 They didn’t outright tell the main doctor what the exact issue was and they kept going petty stuff, I get that the guy was a monster but aren’t there rules saying a doctor has to treat someone no matter? what
@@carriehalsey2443They didn't notify the main care provider and proceeded to provide less than optimal Healthcare because of personal feelings. That can (and in the real world, would) lead to lawsuits.
@carriehalsey2443 I agree with what everyone else stated. As hard as it is, whoever they are and whatever they did stays outside of the hospital doors. Hank leaving was one thing. He was a victim, but those other nurses went about this wrong by not informing the primary care doc and intentionally causing harm. Rally around Hank, but the patient is still a patient. As easy as it is to say, I hope I can remember this when I'm in medicine
@@NathanRowatno they didn’t. It wasn’t their business to tell and in the episode, all nurses provided the minimum care they needed to. This short clip says nothing. By the end of the episode you realise the nurses did what they should’ve.
Paramedic here, we operate under the Hippocratic oath, which states to do no harm, every nurse there would be fired and arrested, no matter who the patient is we do our jobs, we are not the judge, we are not the jury. We are here to help those in need.
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I can only speak for me on this, but I was true to my oath, I helped any and all I was called to, no matter who they were, I am not God, I am not a judge or jury, God will judge all in the end, so for those saying I should have done different, remember, God knows everything you have done, and WILL judge you in your death. I did my job as best as I could, and saved as many people as I could. For those asking if I was ever in danger, or in dangerous situations, yes, I was, but thankfully got out without a scratch and kept my patient alive in the process, EMS can be dangerous, but it is a fulfilling line of work. And yes for the person that asked, because I operated under a physician license I took the oath. For those of you getting upset, please remember this is a TV show and is not real.
A nurse is still human, they have to still save his life like anyone else, but they don't need to pretend they don't have a distaste for someone that's a child predator. They just can't be petty.
Yes the hoppocratic oath is everything.
One of the hardest things I had to come to terms with as a combat medic that id have to help the enemy if I come across a wounded one, best bet is to just turn of your brain and simply follow whatever you learned and just function don't think about it just see it as an exam of sorts were you can't fail.
Tell that to the vaccinated 😮
Hypocrite oath only applies to humand to start and accept animals pedophiles Are Considered neither so the nurse's Would be considered heroes
The fact that he asked and genuinely cared about what was going on with his nurse , they shut him out and basically closed the door in his face is so wrong. I sympathize with the nurse but the others handled that very wrong.
TV show turns what are supposed to be competent professionals into a high school girl clique.
I hate the other nurses, they refused to tell the main doctor (their lead) about the patient even when he asked multiple times why they aren’t giving the patient proper treatment.
Right?? Id be like “Look I dont give a damn about why you’re trying to keep secrets tell me now or you’re fired. If I cant trust you I dont need you. Explain. Now.”
@@ezekielellis7471he didn’t need to tell him anything. That was his personal business not work business.
@@Uratroll if he didnt want to tell. Then he need to suck it up and do his job.
@@UratrollIf it starts affecting the patient, and by extension the hospital as a whole, then it absolutely becomes work business
@Uratroll if there was no need why let it affect him then?
Those nurses actively made themselves a problem to their own team tf
Women
Its just a movie ? @@Groveherooffcial
@@Groveherooffcialbro just no it can work sometimes, but not this time try again my boy. 😅
Ehhhh yeah I think your comment here is a little too.... Trashy. So I don't think your being cool/right in this situation... Good luck on defending chil* mol*ster tho. Sure you'll end up in same situation.
Fr, like why the hell would you NOT tell your boss about a situation like that?
Read a comment on another video from a nurse who said that when she has to treat people like that, she does it as fast as possible and and only interacts when necessary
Yeah, imagine nurses treating a patient like sh!t because somebody mistook them for somebody else or made up a story about them
Yep. All those nurses would be fired.
@headhunter1945 why would someone make up a lie that they were raped?
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@@SandstormSandyoh that happens like alot
Loved that they all looked out for him. He had the right to feel unsafe and uncomfortable. It was right for him to walk away, but as someone who is in the health profession, our job is not to judge, our job is to give health care. We do not have to like it, it's just the reality of it. The other nurses could have still been professional while taking over the care. Does not need to have remorse for the patient, but just give the care needed and he can go once the doctor discharge him.
Former Emergency Medicine doctor here, while I understand and sympathise with the first nurse’s trauma. The other nurses were extremely incompetent and unprofessional. As someone who’s treated criminals and convicted individuals, as disturbing as it gets, it’s our duty to treat patients irrespective of our feelings. What we feel during out duty hours, can be felt to the core after we get off work.
Edit: wtf. So many likes?! Didn’t expect that lmao. I see some comments below I need to address.
First and foremost, the Oath people talk about is symbolic. We’re taught about doctor-patient relationships and ethics and other legal rights in med school.
And second, yes, medical practitioners absolutely have the right to refuse to provide treatment and care, it’s within our rights to do so. But what I’m talking about is, after the first nurse declined to provide care, all the other nurses blatantly ignored and refused as well which is unethical.
Third, the doctor on duty in this situation is well, I don’t know how to put this, but aloof I guess? He should’ve taken charge and made it his priority to find out what’s wrong asap. Instead, he just waited around. Most colleagues and myself in this situation would probably go and draw the blood out ourselves. We all just want to go home and sleep lol.
Fourth, I’ve seen comments about what doctors feel while providing care. After a while of seeing so much suffering, I’ve mostly numbed myself. But after we get off work, we do feel terribly sad about some things we see. Just like how soldiers put aside and go beyond their fear, we’re trained to do something similar as well.
Thank you!
This is the best comment I've read on this thread. In my honest opinion, medical professionals treat child molesters, murderers, and abusers all day long. It just so happened that this male nurse told someone about his abuser. Most don't. So how can you treat him differently when most deviants hide their dirt. Plus, don't y'all take an oath to cause no harm? Thank you sir for your dedication to your job.
Thank you for your commitment to ethical practice. Former ER nurse, and empathize with your response.
Although this is a drama, it’s also very real in the field, and ethics are not always honored when personal feelings interject.
Thank you, for maintaining lawful judgment, for the sake of humanity.
First do no harm, isn't that the oath you guys have to swear to?
The Hippocratic Oath of only covers people. Comps aren't people.
You can opt out, right ?? Inform that you had bad experiences and you are biased, so you dont want to be his/her nurse/doctor. Or you are obligated to keep treating that patient ??
The lawsuits would cripple the Hospital
They didn’t kill the man, he died of something the scans didn’t show for if I remember correctly. The main doctor assumed one of the nurses flooded him with adrenaline, but he died of natural causes
It's a TV show so...
@@SegularRporkright but the malpractice where the nurse stuck him multiple times and refused to help him would be a hell of a case
@@garlord43 they could just use the argument the patient kept moving, which does cause erroneous needle placement. It’s like trying to draw on a piece of paper that’s moving.
@@johnb8275....so, writers take inspiration from life stories.
Props for not censoring anything. We need more people like you posting.
Lol
@@Meds1000MD you see how you are the only clown doing "lol" while he has 2k likes? L00ser.
lol it’s a tv show bro
We really don't need more content theft LMAO.
I liked partially how supportive the nurses where towards their colleague. They hugged him, told him to go home. But I also liked the doctor reaction. Yeah, the patient was a monster, but they had to treat him.
Anytime a young man or woman tells me they want to be a paramedic I ask then the same question. It's not, "Can you handle blood and guts?" It's "While your partner is wrapping a kid's arm that was broken when his dad hit him and knocked him down the stairs, can you be treating the dad's scraped knuckles without throwing him down the stairs yourself?" If you can't, than don't sign up. That's the job, like it or not.
If I were a nurse, doctor or paramedic I admit fully those sorts of cases would break me. I couldn't handle the child abuse cases.
@@amandalicorne7769 You are not on your own. My wife is a big fan of those murder shows on TV. I have to get up and leave the room if it is child, female or elderly abuse case. I have seen too much of it and there is a reason I stopped being a medic years ago. I could not keep my impartiality, and I have nothing but respect for the men and women who serve in the medical community who can.
You're not wrong. I made a friend promise that if I start to lose my compassion tell me because it's time to do something else. 3 years later I left to do something else. 2 years after than my buddy did too.
Sometimes you feel like a hero, other times you feel like trash but that's the job.
@@thoraxia That's the job. Well...that and transports. Lots and lots of long, anoying transports! ;)
Only because you're complacent in it. It's always "that's just how it is", "that's just the job", "it is what it is" until people actually do something about it. Acting all helpless until someone stronger starts doing something you can't.
Speaking as a nurse and let me make this clear....this is TV! I have had some unscrupulous people in my care but I did my job. Real nurses conduct themselves with professionalism .
I’m a nurse too and these fools think it’s real.
@@kathconserv everybody knows it’s fake, but it’s infuriating when the show does stuff like this because it should have at least a bit of realism. they could have written a better episode that was just as dramatic. having the nurses battle with their emotions because they have to do their job would have been a great episode.
@@siryarianthefirst3360in the end of the episode it shows the nurses DID follow protocall as thwy should've pedo just had natural karma catch up to him. the blood one was made a red herring to make you THINK it was the nurses so end of episode they can plot twist and be like "welp i guess the bastard got what was coming"
So in other words, y'all bitches that like to break your oath the long way huh..... Cuz nothing about helping predators that are NOT people is helpful to anyone smh
Real talk! All these comments lawrd help them!
Id be more annoyed that my nurse just rolled her eyes and closed the curtain in my face like that
Doctors may write orders but they can not command a nurse to anything outside of them doing a procedure or in a non emergency situation. Ergo the Dr. has no authority over what is happening with the nurse in distress and the nurse is allowed their privacy.
@@user-gr1tt8ws8pbe more annoyed that hospital gotta take care of child predators and serial killers💀
@@cocomelon2346can't say much tbh, doctor's main morals are to save lives and don't care about their background, if they do care about it then it's their problem to save or not
@@JackL.Carlos facts the justice system takes care of that but If you are a person that suffered from a type of thing like that as a child and still want to become a doctor later better just not do it cause even if you don't meet the person who scared you while in the hospital you will be working with other predators other than the one that scared you and if you can deal with those but not the first one then being a nurse or doctor isn't the path for you as you need to be neutral in emotions to be efficient in a hospital
Doctors and nurses help to heal people worse like murderers and psychotic maniacs that have done countless things but they still help as that is what they trained to become... they became a person that helps anyone they can regardless of their background
Thank you. No body stood up for me. My own family didn't. My grandmother called me a tramp. I was 5. No justice or even an attempt. 😔
The world is unfair. But you are still here. And that is good.
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Heul woanders mit der lügerei
I'm so sorry baby :(
I’m sorry that happened to you I hope you are doing alright
As a nurse, we took an oath to help people regardless of who they are or what they did. We may not like if someone has done something wrong, but we are there to treat them and not let our judgments interfere with our job. If someone feels uncomfortable in such a situation, notify your head nurse and have someone else take over. Doing harm to any patient is just as bad.
Is it that easy on anyone's mental health? ... It can pass 50 years and still make you feel like "that day"...
true.. Professionalism
@@LauraMarin2709 No it isn't easy. I have my own mental trauma, but I can't let that cloud my judgment when I work or else I would not be able to provide proper care to patients.
Your oath is meaningless
Fuck that. Chomos ain't people
In case anyone was wondering, the patient wasn’t murdered. “Ghosts in the Attic” -
Choi’s case of the week was immediately ominous. One of the nurses panicked when he saw the patient, and Choi couldn’t figure out why-April closed the curtain in his face rather than tell him what Hank’s problem was. Even when he pressed, she said only that the other nurse “wasn’t feeling well,” which was an obvious fib. That was more than a little unprofessional.
That left Choi working with a med student, because all of the nurses decided they weren’t going to work on his patient. That’s because, as Monique finally said, the patient was a child molester.
Choi confronted April about withholding care to a patient, and the hospital’s ethical obligation to treat him like anyone else. An angry April warned him she’d only provide “the bare minimum” of treatment, so Choi told her to avoid the patient altogether. But she was suspiciously there when the man crashed and promptly died.
Did April kill him? That’s what Choi believed after he found four doses of epinephrine in the trash when there should have only been one. He brought his suspicions to April, who came up with all kinds of other excuses before finally saying all she’d done was give the man a glass of water.
Dr. Nina Shore later found that a tumor caused the elevated epinephrine levels. April was innocent, but that didn’t mean she forgave Choi.
Thanks for commenting. I was literally trying to find a comment like this
Choi didn't owe April anything. She made herself look suspicious and untrustworthy.
Thanks for filling in for the paragraph guy 😄
@@synergisticcollusion134agreed
@@elly8935 Thanks. I've said it before and I'll say it again. These out of context short clips have to go.
I completely understand the traumatized nurses perspective, not wanting to be actively taking care of somebody who traumatized you, because of your personal relationship with that person. However, the other nurses have an active duty to take care of him as a patient. What they did was not right, and is considered medical negligence, no matter how bad of a person he might be he still is a patient and should be treated as such
It’s also murder. And they know that. I think that was the point of the show to stir up conversation like this.
No matter how bad a person? Really ?
@@user-sy3pp4up9q that is why we have a judicial system. Not vigilante Justice.
Pretty sure MURDER isn’t “medical negligence”.
@@user-sy3pp4up9qIt's still murder. If you want to try for jury nullification in this particular case, you might have a chance, though.
I’ve been a RN for a long time and we are often put in situations like this one where our patient has a background that we don’t agree with…..but we also took an oath to help people and in situations like this you put your feelings aside to do the job you are being paid to do
I give it up to nurses 👏.
Yall the most patient people I've seen so far.
Exactly 💯 we are nurses our job is to care judgment is left to a higher power
No blame on Hank. He shouldn’t be forced to provide care to his abuser. The other nurses how ever absolutely should have.
Yeah, I don't get how they could treat their lead like he's at fault. Had someone told him anything at the start, he could have found a compromise. Instead, he has to threaten his nurses because they're mad he doesn't know what they aren't telling him. As others have said, it leaves the hospital open to a lawsuit. No one else is going to care why they denied treatment. At least beyond Hank.
@@bryanwoods3373 didn’t think about it but yes. Some basic communication would have gone a long way here.
I got assigned to my former stalker once. I passed him off to another nurse and avoided his room with ninja-like precision for 2 days.
Because a lack of communication always makes a situation better.
Look up who wrote this monstrosity and it becomes evident why they think this is the appropriate way to deal any situation.
@@VRDejaVu who wrote it?
My friend is a surgical nurse… One night he was filling in in the ER because they were short staffed (per usual) he had just finished up a surgery on a little girl the day before who was BRUTALLY raped, and in comes the man who did it, cuffed to a bed, needing stitches for the gashes she scraped into his arm… He said after having to do that, he began to SERIOUSLY think twice about his choice of careers… I just let him talk it out and listened, because there was NO amount of comfort my words could’ve done to ease his mental state after that
it sucks and its sad, but you have an obligation to help everyone regardless of what they did, it is not your place to judge
There are just some situations in this world I can understand…. This is one🤷🏽♀️
Reason 564 why I refused to stay in the medical field or further my career. I genuinely couldn’t care for someone like that.
Kudos to the nurses and doctors who can and do all they do, y’all are way better than me.
They aren't better than you just because you have different values.
First: Do no harm.
Being in the medical field for over 20 years, we save lives no matter whose life it is.
Which is why medical professionals deserve utmost respect, unless/until they earn any disrespect. 🖤✌🏽
Kudos to you i couldnt do it especially if i had fo deal with one of the main sources of my trauma
"Just following orders!"
I understand you, but what if it’s a child of yours or it was you that was the victim of trauma? Easy for you to type that in the comfort of your own well being without actually put in the situation
@@ryan82bit doesn't matter. That oath is absolute- you are not judge, jury, or executioner.
I understand he is child molester but tell the doctor or your boss the situation instead of getting fired for being rude to a patient if the doctor or boss doesn't know the situation and i hate the nurse was upset that the doctor though she kill him even tho how everyone acted he should have the right to assume they did something to him
Exactly.
I can’t say for certain that I would be able to keep my professional standards and care for someone I knew was a CM or worse… but that’s why I’m not a nurse
Mannn F THAT PERSON
Regardless of who they are or what they did if you're a
Doctor or a nurse you job is to treat the person or people who are taken to ICU the ER or Walk through the front door but it looks like the nurses just let him die.
[Edit] let me know what you think?
@@Thelumberjack558 He's been taken to court but got set free because it was his words over a child. He still had been able to teach kids privately which give him the opportunity to touch more kids.The court is still set him free because there isn't any much evidence to prove of his wrong doings plus the case is closed, it gonna take a while for it to reopened. The nurse didn't even went to jail because when they did a scan, he died from natural causes.
@@cocomelon2346 yeah but it's still messed up either way you look at it
And it's even more fucked up that this
Crap does happen in real life.
Hank's the only one who reacted perfectly
There is no justice in the world, unless we make it ourselves.
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And now they should be fired and jailed. As a healthcare professional, it is not your job to pass judgment on people for things they have done. Call the cops, and he'll get shanked in prison. Now, you guy violated your oath
Plus… the guy could have been innocent. I wouldn’t immediately trust the word of someone.
@@grrincwhen someone panicking that badly just seeing the guy, the guy definitely did something.
you're a troglodyte
@@grrinc you're a troglodyte
what a crock medical professionals mk assumptions abt patients b4 them everyday & act on those biases as well. Which is why it's been proven that the level of care a patient receives oft differs along racial & or poverty lines.
Sad part is u can hear him say “no safety” when he was walking away 😔
The sad part is a grown man is too much of a puss to realize that he’s not 11 years old anymore. Running off like a scared little kid…pathetic. Deal with the situation and then move on to the next. Bullshit drama. Grown women acting like 12 year old school girls.
I heard that to 😢😢😢
What did that mean? No safety word? He didn't feel safe?
As an ER doctor, my mother has treated literal terrorists.
You don’t get to choose who you treat. You act professionally and treat them like human beings, even if you don’t believe they really are.
It is not up to you to decide their fate.
hahahah apl doctors do is decide fate dude
Thats what stupid would say.
Actually, it is lmao. That's the whole point of choice and free will. Only by legality are doctors bound by that silly hypocritic oath.
Cut the higher than thou BS, and tell me you would be fine treating someone who graped or killed someone you knew and cared about.
@@Gloomyraindropthat's the job sometimes. If you don't like it then don't go into medical care. During my time in the ER in a Chicago hospital I had to treat a drunk driver who killed a pregnant mother while in the same ER they were trying to save the mother and child. I can't even tell you how many handcuffed individuals we had to treat not even knowing what they'd done in a lot of cases. We treated inmates from the jail too.
We don't choose what happens to people who break the law. That's not our job. Our job is to provide medical care to people who need it. Sometimes it's not what you'd prefer to do but it's not our job to choose.
@@GloomyraindropI have, actually
TL/DR: The nurses didn't like the patient, but they didn't kill him. He had a tumor in his adrenal gland that flooded him with adrenaline. When the patient coded, EPI wouldn't have saved him. It also didn't really make things worse. It would have been like tossing a candle into a burning bonfire.
someone pls boost this comment so ppl know wtf is going on
Love how they get mad at him for literally not knowing what going on
That’s really 100% messed up!!!!!! 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
@@collinpribula3270 it's not though
Npc
Nope it is not
whats messed up?
You know what's actually messed up is how someone has trauma for the rest of their life because a creepy human being can't keep in their pants 🤢
Unpopular opinion but those are things you need to consider if you are going to choose a public service profession. You don't get to pick and choose who you treat.
Maybe that should change. Not only do I think predators shouldn't be helped at all, but even if they do get o receive any treatment, any and all doctors should have full rights to refuse service.
I personally find it inhumane and cruel to force anyone, regardless of profession, to work on a pedator. No one should be barred from being a doctor (which we already have a shortage of) simply because they have a *SHRED* of morality.
@@fredericksaxton9782 ah but here's the rub. The only person in this episode who knows beyond a doubt what this man did was his victim. You think it's ok to let someone die because they are accused of being a predator? And if you open that box where does it stop? It starts with sex offenders, but maybe i think drug dealers dont deserve to be treated, do we just let each individual decide for themselves who does and does not deserve treatment? also i find it ironic that you say noone should be stopped from being a dr for having a shred of morality. In what world is it objectively moral to refuse medical treatment to a fellow human being due to acts they may or may not have committed?
@@fredericksaxton9782 your line of thinking is what allowed gay people to be outright refused medical care or worse tortured by doctors
You are not omnipotent so instead of pretending you have the knowledge to be judge jury and executioner ... if your job is medical provider stick to your job and do your job professionally
@@fredericksaxton9782
The problem is you are not the judge. Regardless of circumstance, you don't know much about the situation beyond what you see and are told in the hospital.
That's for the courts to figure out, not you as a medical care provider.
This is practically just another form of vigilante justice and we know what happens when vigilanteism gets out of hand.
Nobody would be trusting nurses.
Butns llawyer judge etc can say they can't serve this person due to conflict of interest if they are too close to the actual defense..
As a health care provider, you dont get to choose who gets proper medical tr÷atment and who doesn't. The disdain they felt for this patient was understandable but they cannot delibrately contribute to his death. Yes, Hank needed to go home but he was the only one excused from the patient's needs..
You think American health system is good to begin with
I have to disagree there are plenty of Healthcare workers doctors and hospital admins that refuse to give proper care. Look at how conservative or religious zelots treat women who need an abortion for lifesaving care or a trans person for any care. Plenty of garbage in Healthcare aso plenty of nurses and doctors that treated civid like a joke and got paitinats killed suggesting quack treatments.
And none of them did. Schmuck
THE PRISON STSTEM AND THE HEALTH SYSTEM IS MADE TO MAKE MONEY. 🤑🤑. And yes some good comes out of both.
Gotta save those precious kiddie diddlers, amiright?
Imagine being a research coordinator and seeing the teacher that was abusing you in third grade in the same hospital one works at and that teacher is now a breast cancer patient and one has to consent her and recruit her for a cancer study.😢
So sorry & so wrong. My abuser had the nerve to come into my shop and ask me to help him. Apologized & finally acknowledged what he did because he became a dad & had 7 girls. Then when confirmed by my husband because he continued coming in & even hitting on me he denied everything saying I wanted him in high school. So gross and so twisted how things happens in this world. Praying for healing for you & your family. You are a warrior to be above it & provide what’s necessary.
I'm a nurse. I've cared for these patients. I treat them well, the same i do all of my patients. My job is to care, not to judge
Just the comment I was looking for
What? It's not 'judging'. Imagine it was the person who did that to a loved one. Or if it was a serial killer.
@@paula_the_raccoonI would still be kind to them. I am not there to make things worse. I treat everyone in my care with kindness and compassion. I am not a judge or jury. I am there to care and treat regardless of what someone has done or been through. I will do my best for everyone
If I felt unable to care for someone because of my personal beliefs about someone I would get someone else to care for them in my place. Everyone is entitled to be cared for in their hour of need
@@pinkwelly7908LOL
That black nurse is absolutely Beautiful!
Man went from being king of the drift world to king of the hospital room
Its funny how people think its ok to do stuff like this at work. Like if there's an issue, you have to communicate it with your team, none of this gossip girl nonsense. They actively bullied the doctor who had nothing to do by not letting him know and then closing the curtain in his face like that.
They also took it upon themselves to murder the guy. Which is especially egrigious since they take an oath to do no harm.
Exactly
@@ryanalt9219they didn't. You should watch the episode.
First of all that “gossip girl nonsense” was a bunch of women supporting a sexual abuse victim. In no way shape or form is what they did to that man okay. You cannot simply not treat a patient. You cannot do things to get back at people these people are all under oath to help him no matter who he is. They messed up royally by not telling their boss what was going on right away. But unless you’re a sexual assault victim who is in the middle of having a panic attack right in the middle of the ER or wherever they are you have no idea what’s going through his head. They had every right to close that curtain and figure out what was going on. Most abuse victims don’t want to- in front of a bunch of people- say hey I was molested by that man. The moment they sent that nurse home they should’ve told the dr. One of the 3/4 nurses should’ve stepped out and told the dr what was going on. But you need to definitely find new ways to define things other than “gossip girl nonsense” (perhaps professionalism?) because if that MAN didn’t rape him none of the “gossip girl nonsense” would’ve happened.
@@ryanalt9219good
Genius nurses not saying a single thing about the patient to the doctors, great writing to piss people off.
Good on those Nurses.
Id run out of work too if someone i thought was dangerous was there
During war even when the patient is your enemy who has killed so many of your citizens you as a medic must treat him
So they would do the same thing if their medic finds you right?
As someone who is in a family full of people in the medical field this would be one of the reasons I don’t go into that line of work
@@phantomsamurai4400they will or they’ll be breaking the same oath. The Hippocratic Oath is not culturally or regional it’s universal
@phantomsamurai4400 what are you trying to say? You don't base your moral decisions upon the lowest ethical bar you can find, do you?
Being an enemy isn't the same as being a criminal.
It just annoys me that they didnt say anything to the doctor who seems like he actually cares
Love how the doctor told the nurse not to bother clocking back in like he’s her boss or has any control over that 😂
Karma never misses in real life or reality TV. Love her.
But, from some comment i read. Ppl say he isn't the molester. But his twin brother's
If I remember right, his guess about the malpractice from the nurses is incorrect. However given the fact that they wouldn’t even try to explain the situation to the person that needs to know doesn’t exactly surprise me that he would go to that conclusion.
man if the nurses does this they gonna loose license. We as a healthcare workers are bound to treat all the patients that come in seeking treatment. Rest is for the law enforcement.
So you’re ok with it
@MannyCoon personal feelings make you unfit for public service. I am not okay with it but I am bound by code of conduct.
@Mannyoon okay with what ?
@MarlinWheeler you're OK with ketchup on eggs is what he's getting at. Gotta read bw the lines
@@MannyCoon🤨😐 nobody is okay with it but doctors and nurses are not the judges so it's not their job to hold treatment as punishment they get the job done and move to the next person
Me as a doctor, "I guess this mystery is unsolvable"
💯💯
And nothing of value was lost
Is that intelligence
@@GeorgeTyrrell-qm2ep That's reality ! People who abuse children have NO SOCIAL VALUE ❤
Except the nurses medical license
@@smile871
Nope same difference.
If they were willing to do that and think they could get away with it, then they would be willing to harm again.
So original statement stands;
Nothing of value was lost, both times.
@@smile871that's what lawyers are for. It'd be easy to argue the fat molester died from poor nutrition.
The four syringes laying perfectly in the bin 😂
Why was the nurse so rude he was just asking
Didn't you saw that they were woman?
They think they're just being better keeping it a secret
@@are_you_f_seriousStop acting like males are immune to have attitude or be rude.
@@are_you_f_serious get over yourself. Rape/molestation is not gender specific. The fact they were all women was nothing but a moot point. They were obligated to inform their boss what was going on. Everything they did was wrong. So get your head out of your ass and stop playing gender favorites.
@@buttoneyes2837 Get Humor little girl.
It's not uncommon to have patients who have done something bad prior to becoming our patients. We still treat them as our patients.
The nurses should have never withheld information as to why the male nurse reacted the way he did
Have they? I did not see the entire episode. They could have shared this information with their superior (and that is not the physician btw).
@@soho7777I think I seen this episode before. They definitely withold the information.
You clearly have never been tortured as a child like that poor man was or those women were and it shows. You can't just tell people, it changes how they treat you and often is used against the victim and even worse is sometimes recreated by new abusers.
You'd be worse than a fool to open your trap in a professional environment.
@@AvaNightingale
Grow some balls
@@AvaNightingaleThis is the real world. Grow up. Raped when you were 11? I’m sorry that happened to you. You’re now 30. Time to handle things like a grown person, not an 11 year old. This isn’t middle school anymore.
You're a nurse, you are neither a judge, a jury or even an executioner
That's basically why guys like the patient are out free
@@TKRAYKATS that's the police, the judge and the prison wardens jobs
Also, if you're a nurse and you did that, you're still gonna get penalized for breaking your oath to not harm people, in short, a malpractice charge
@@senioravocado1864 But this will be better justice than the shitty system you describe
@@TKRAYKATS so you're gonna leave your life in someone else's personal morals, ethics, ideals and beliefs in a place where you seeked medical assistance?
If that were to happen many nurses would've killed and tortured many people just cause of their respective prejudices, racism, classism, ageism would've been grounds for torture and legalized murder
Are these the hospitals you envision?
@@TKRAYKATS That wasn't justice, it was vengeance. Does the criminal justice system work, not as much as they like to preach about it, but that doesn't mean you get to go around killing everyone just because you have the power to. Especially when you took an oath specifically to care for people, regardless of who they are.
In real life those nurses would lose their license
Hey love, I just wanted to tell you missed the word "lose" I'm just telling ya cause ik some people🙄
The limits of human compassion.
Paragraph person here Ill give cliffnotes to whoever wants to know. Guy came in and the nurse recognized him, he had a panic attack and the nurses closed the curtain. The male nursed told them the man their treating is the man who raped him when he was young but because it was the kids word against the teacher they let the guy go so good chance he has done the same to other kids. The main male nurse said in short (and incredibly fake sympathy)"i get it but were here to do our jobs" the other nurses avoid him as much as possible unless absolutely necessary the one nurse stuck him a bunch of times because he was moving alot and she did take her feelings out in that moment. Later the guy dies and the main male nurse finds multiple syringes in the trash thinking the nurse that drew his blood overdosed him and he questions her she says she went to get him some water but that was all. Still not believing her he sweet talks the morition into giving him early access to his autopsy and the female nurse told the truth he ended up dying of an adrenal tumor. He gives a somewhat apology also admitting he had a chip on his shoulder because he hid feelings about how she hid feelings.
Thx.
I too am a paragraph writer.
I wrote my piece without context but it was bc this episode was such a HUGE piece of fiction
In medicine we talk about EVERYTHING all the time anyways (poop stories etc) so we don't usually hide this crap either.
We would provide care and do everything possible NOT to give someone who might be dirt a reason to sue.
Maybe he's a molester.
Maybe not.
I'd have no way to know
I wouldn't be friends but I wouldn't be rude or misuse my authority/power to provide care and necessity like food, water and meds.
CERTAINLY I'd not put myself in a position where I could be accused of intentionally causing harm...
I'll leave that hypocrisy to the piano teacher
MVP 🙌
@annemiller8227 I have to give you alot of praise then for being in the medical field. I know I couldn't be in that field because if a man like that was on a bed their is no way I would treat him as fairly, I'll admit that. And I'm not being snarky thank you for honestly being one of the few strong ones
@@jedimando9258 I wish I could pretend I'm a great person.
But I have just seen that an accusation is not the same as actual guilt.
I have personally seen people who have made "credible accusations" crumble under scrutiny and later admit it wasn't "quite' the way they made it sound
So if I'm going to take some ones life (and don't get me wrong I WOULD in certain situations) or let some one die (I have watched SEVERAL people die bc nothing could be done to prevent it) I want to be sure it's not bx I have decided something that is not mine to determine.
In the scene the audience doesn't ACTUALLY know that he's guilty.
The nurse is upset.
That's it.
No one actually knows the truth.
We have seen stories that have twists where the situation isn't at all like it seems.
Since I believe in God I believe no one ever escapes justice. It just may be delayed for awhile and I am sure I will never have all the information
I have to live with myself and have nightmares some times that I "missed" something important and someone died.
So I will let others be judgemental. I have enough nightmares
@@annemiller8227 I admire that, truely
Sad to see DK not drifting anymore
these nurses should get a raise
Are you stupid or just pretend?
When a woodchipper isn't available, you improvise
Having a father who is a licensed medical doctor and a mother who is a licensed nurse, I can't tell you how many times they had to treat very evil people. I remember asking my dad and mother one time if the person was evil. Why not let them die? They both looked at me with straight faces and said We took an oath to save people no matter what they have done."" So this right here boils my blood. If your personal feelings keep you from doing your job that you are sworn to do, you need to get out of that job. I am a licensed psychiatrist. I've analyzed molesters, rapists, and murderers. Do I like what they have done? No, but Im not gonna let my personal feelings stop me from doing my job correctly. You can say whatever you want in the replies. I just feel my job is more important to me.
The major problem is those things should have already been worm food.
I’m studying to become a clinical psychologist specialising in treating people with trauma, and although i do acknowledge that many perpetrators of sexual violence have experienced sexual violence (often chronic childhood sexual abuse) in the past, i still don’t think I would be able treat clients who have committed any abuse and/or sexual violence against anyone.
because the man who raped me, and all of the men who molested me before, they ruined my life. i can barely see a way out these days and my aspiration to help those who have been in a situation like mine is the only future i see myself in. i have so much anger towards such injustice and all of the pain that such crimes cause, and how so little of these perpetrators end up being imprisoned (where at least they could get some sort of counselling for their deviant behaviour with a criminal psychologist). maybe i’m still too early in my recovery given that the most recent rape only happened 3 years ago, and i still have years to go before being able to achieve a Masters and be licensed to provide therapy (which means many years of attending my own therapy to process the sexual traumas). it just always makes me wonder if i’m the one with the problem if i can’t imagine being impartial to a rapist who walks through my doors, even when being a therapist means also doing no harm and reserving judgement - instead i might go into freeze, immediately get him to leave, and have a flashback while sobbing curled up on a sofa in the therapy room.
@@michaels.starnes194 my problem with this episode is that it automatically assumes the nurse is telling the truth and the patient is guilty.
We have seen enough stories with twists (both in real life and not) to know that someone freaking out is not the same as guilt.
It could have been twins separated at birth.
It could have been the nurse lying for an undisclosed reason.
Someone getting really upset at the sight of you is not a reason to allow someone to get poor health care or even die
Letting someone possibly die just based on someone getting upset is a pretty big leap.
Accusations aren't the same as guilty 😕
@@annemiller8227 Well was he guilty? You put all those bullshit what if. Sounds to me like you are simping for a pedo.
@michaels.starnes194 I agree 100percent with you.
I wish I had such supportive colleagues
“He’s not feeling well” the lack of communication within that establishment, if real, would be damaging. They need to tell the guy in charge what happened and what is happening.
For those saying how incompetent the staff is, it was written that way.
No fucking shit sherlock
Bruh the fact you think it needs to be explained....
Even if he did a crime your job is to help people no matter what
Should of been in jail, not a hospital...
Thats true but even prisoner go to the hospital. Police, doctors are now aloud to let them die of what he is no matter how awful the prisoner is. If the judge is sentencing the prisoner to death theirs procedures to do so
And why would they pick the Polish name. Certainly there is no bias there. No prejudice. No racism.
He literally had a heart problem. Can y’all watch the episode first before jumping to conclusions faster than an Olympic hurdler hurdling 100m?
then explain the empty amps in the end of the video?
Regardless, those nurses would lose their license and get sued out for their minds for a breach of duty and damages. Any lawyer would also convince the court of negligence for the cause.
@@diegomolina9978 “Ghosts in the Attic” -
Choi’s case of the week was immediately ominous. One of the nurses panicked when he saw the patient, and Choi couldn’t figure out why-April closed the curtain in his face rather than tell him what Hank’s problem was. Even when he pressed, she said only that the other nurse “wasn’t feeling well,” which was an obvious fib. That was more than a little unprofessional.
That left Choi working with a med student, because all of the nurses decided they weren’t going to work on his patient. That’s because, as Monique finally said, the patient was a child molester.
Choi confronted April about withholding care to a patient, and the hospital’s ethical obligation to treat him like anyone else. An angry April warned him she’d only provide “the bare minimum” of treatment, so Choi told her to avoid the patient altogether. But she was suspiciously there when the man crashed and promptly died.
Did April kill him? That’s what Choi believed after he found four doses of epinephrine in the trash when there should have only been one. He brought his suspicions to April, who came up with all kinds of other excuses before finally saying all she’d done was give the man a glass of water.
Dr. Nina Shore later found that a tumor caused the elevated epinephrine levels. April was innocent, but that didn’t mean she forgave Choi.
@@skitzstudio379 yep
It's a yt short..
That's what we call a service to society. We don't say anything and the world is safer.
My girl works in a hospital and they are told don't look at the papers for some of the criminals they treat. Not too sure about the show but that was murder on their part regardless of what the sick fuck did. Not only would they be fired, but they'd lose their medical license and face jail time.
Those who harm children aren't human.
Nah those nurses are fired! I get people are capable of monsters things but a hospital is a neutral place. There are no good or bad people. There are patients, nothing more. You are doctors and nurses, not judges, jury or executors. You don’t get to choose who gets help and who doesn’t.
Talk about doing the wrong thing for the right reasons😂
The nurses did the moral thing, not the legal thing. I have so much respect for them.
Too bad they're being locked up
But they broke the Hippocratic oath. Sure they did things "morally", but was it really morally right? They are just nurses. They are not judges, juries and executioners.
Their actions cannot be morally right, at best their actions are just morally grey.
no the moral thing would have been to properly care for him dispite what he did
The moral of some vigilante from kid's daydream. That's not how it works they swore oath and they Violate it. if you're unwilling you can tell it straight away to the supervisor they would understand.
Thats morally fuked upwhatchu sayin
Unfortunately, whether or not the accusations are true, the nurses were in the wrong. It's for a judge to decide his punishment, not the nurses. They could not only lose their jobs and their medical licenses, but if his family decides to press charges, they could end up in prison.
Nurses: "Did I do something wrong?"
Doctor: "Legally, I can't say no."
Nurses....To first do no harm,we take that to heart.... It's NOT our job to judge a person and choose to REFUSE medical care on your choice, dislike for the person etc...... It's our job to Treat Everyone.... Regardless of what they've done,who they are....if you can't....find another job
Its so great to have that kind of support! Its beautiful!
Support? That would have royally pissed me off if I was the boss. Totally immature
they fucked their job, totally helpful and will definitely not be a cause of a criminal investigation later on
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@@user-kh6eo6ki8wthe only reason they behaved like that is because the patient molested the male nurse which is why they refused to treat him.
@@perlasandoval7883they didn’t fuck their jobs they refused to treat him because he molested the male nurse, and their will be no criminal investigation because the patient died of a tumor that they had no idea of.
Nurses oath "I will treat the patient no matter who they are or what they did."
Oath breaker paladin
The way the nurses went going to support him after they realized it what happens it's just heartwarning
It’s easy to tell someone they are wrong for doing what they did when you didn’t experience it yourself
She's a nurse, not a judge
Looks like he received proper care to me. 🤷🏻♀️
Yea but it's unprofessional. The nurses will lose their jobs. Even tho he didn't die because of them, they still didn't do their jobs.
Yeah, in real life massive crippling law suit will right Ur ways n teach U the importance of not breaking an oath nobody forced you to take 😂😂😂😂
Thank goodness you're not a nurse
@@LaryLlama Why? If you aren't a child r@pist, you have nothing to worry about.
Justice.
no
Unprofessional or not, nothing of importance would've been lost.
Karma is patient…
Yeah, nurses gonna get in a lot of trouble. Because the breach their oath.
A patient is still a patient. Those nurses are fired and going to jail. The hipacratic oath exists for a reason. Regardless of your beliefs or morals. You.are.not.god.
So god that created cancer is the best judge?
@@PROVOCATEURSKAfter reading your previous comments i think it's safe to say you're just a moron
What if hank was lying and they murdered a innocent man.
I have never seen such clean, well pressed uniforms in any hospital anywhere....and such pretty people, so realistic..........
I ran an ER at a Max Security Prison for years. The 1st Nurse had a valad reason for excusing himself from caring for the patient, as he was a victim of the patient. The rest of the Nursing staff had no excuse from not being in the room caring for the patient & the 1 drawing the blood should all be brought up on disciplinary charges & turned into their State Board of Nursing.
Poor Hank 😢
Then it's no great loss
Is that intelligence
@@GeorgeTyrrell-qm2ep That's reality ! People who hurt children have NO SOCIETAL VALUE ❤
I understand him for leaving, but those nurses could lose their jobs for what they’ve done. Their actions aren’t helpful in the slightest for future actions. Communication is needed for traumatic events.