Wondering About God | Episode 503 | Closer To Truth
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- The God debate is not a game. Is there a God? If so, what are God's essences and traits? What are all the ways that God could be? Or could not be? We discover different beliefs of different kinds of Gods. Featuring interviews with Keith Ward, Mahmoud Ayoub, Neil Gillman, Ananda Guruge, John Leslie, William Grassie, J. van Huyssteen, Paul Davies, and Alvin Plantinga.
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#Philosophy #God
A man looking for God is like a man who, looking for his reading glasses, finds they were on top of his head the whole time.
"And then I struggle with the chaos. I struggle with the incoherence...." I feel the same.
Without the chaos, you won't appreciate the order.
@@servant7777 Hey Servant... thanks for the reply. I believe you are correct. There is a deep correlation between chaos and order. But often we don't see the correlation or we simply concentrate on the chaos. I'm glad you pointed that out. John in Florida
Perspective is key, Chaos is the result of limited finite human experience, to see beyond it you must try and see beyond our limited perception, but it is not an easy task.
@@invisiblechurch9621 I agree with you 100% It seems like we do indeed need to "see beyond our limited perception." I wonder if it is even possible? As you said, "it is not an easy task." There is so much that determines our perception of things.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 If it were easy then the world would not be as it is. Our mind is our greatest tool for survival but it also locks us into a small view of things. Some people are born sensitive and intelligent enough to figure it out themselves. Others need help be it meditation, contemplation, prayer even chemicals. We know many of these people as prophets, philosophers, great scientist, holy men they were able to see a bigger picture.
You keep the dialogue going in a wholesome fashion. I think whatever definitions people use to define God is both true and untrue at the same time.
You feel God as per your vibrations, experiences, and thoughts.
There is nothing which is not made by God's essence and yet nothing which exists is God.
God is...that is the truth. But God is not limited to any religions definition about IT.
These episodes are breathtaking.. Leave me speechless.
but still no answers lol
Silly atheist.
@@DawnHub666 show me where i said that
Shut up
it's interesting to hear accounts from near death experience survivors who describe meeting a beautiful all loving "being of light" , or as one woman put it who died and came back, she found herself in the "breath of god"...so my feeling is IF god does exist, it would be as these people describe..as a being without a body..some sort of greater mind or consciousness or energy..but that's the nearest I can get to what I believe god could be like.
Let the fighting begin.🍿🍺
This channel is helping me understand my Twin Flame journey.
And my Twin Flame journey can help Robert answer his questions
So many comments are, "Why did he talk to THAT sect and not MY sect." I sometimes forget that while I'm here "intellectually slumming," others (many) are on their tiptoes on the top rung of their ladder.
Wonderful..👍👌 I would like RLK to bring in Osho's views. RLK will love them. 😀
What John Leslie was describing was NOT pantheism, but the orthodox belief of Theosis.
Watch at 1.5 speed to get faster to truth and save time ;))
lol fast for summary slow for thinking it through yourself
Agree. This episode is kinda......
4:50 what happens..mic error? what is kuhn saying there?
The host is amazing,unbiased and curious...Robert represents us all who are out there seeking truth...As a viewer I would love if Robert invites more Muslim scholars.
I used to have words now they are gone, great just great!
Realize that feelings of mistrust are simply feelings. There is great truth and wisdom, in not Identifying with the feeling. Just sit and "Be". Notice how the "feeling" comes and goes. Who is the one... Who has the mistrust?
Absolutely crazy talk. Humans are interesting.
God permeates all reality
Wonder leads to real knowledge, ideology leads to idolatry.
Those of us who are genuinely looking for god, should read the book The Human Self and Allah by G A Parwez. Others can keep trying and leave this world without knowing it... its all about our self which needs a higher self to develop it.
@@A3Kr0n good question.. why do we wish to know? A sheep can live without knowing the purpose of its creation???
@@edwardrussell7168 I appreciated your first comment. The sheep thing is empty.
How about changing the discussion a bit: there is God and this is all we know. Is there a universe? Is there existence? Do I exist? Is there good and evil?
It's like nothing you've ever gone after before....
The old arguments for the existence of God have all been dismissed by clever thinkers.
We now have a new shiny argument that is scientific and therefore impressive and respectable.
Coupled with the physical evidence (lightning), I am now almost totally convinced that Zeus exists.
I'm with you, Robert. When I ask myself, what does it all mean? I see that I can find nothing that matters except - or more than, by far - love and kindness. So, I think, for answers, I will look where there is the most love and kindness. .... and where is that? (I think)
@Stacy Cates
Have you read the Quran?
@@rizwanrafeek3811 ~roll eyes~
@@SkysMomma If you read the Quran, you will feel it in your heart it is the words of your Creator, no kidding you.
Try reading Abdullah Yusuf Ali translation, you can get a free copy of the Quran from U.S website name: freekoran
@@SkysMomma Jewish American, who asked God to guide him to the correct religion that is accepted by God, please watch this it was a miracle in the broad daylight how God guided him to Islam, czcams.com/video/3Y8Tr8-bSx4/video.html
@@SkysMomma Identical miracle reported by a U.S corporal in marine went to Afghanistan, but God had different plan for this corporal and God converted him to Islam, it was a miracle in the broad daylight, how God guides to whom HE wills, czcams.com/video/1ogm2ILpy9s/video.html
Miracle in the broad daylight.
In my humble and almost insignificant opinion, we (humans) have tried to explain something that maybe is out of rationality and far from our comprehension, even with our most powerful tool, our logical thought. At the same time, and without any other source of explanation apart from logic, GOD is the creator of beauty, a structured system and at the same time an apparent chaos. A beauty that gives us the nature of people and things that open up an infinite opportunity for learning, a structured system under our limited capacity of analysis by logic and finally a chaos that perhaps, in a more fractal view, might bring us to an explanation that we (humans) have been intensively striving to reach. The problem is that we (humans) are not able to deal with a giant number of variables in a system called “chaotic” (Earth at the first glance and Universe in a much wider perspective). To sum up, the fantastic unexplained power of a GOD and ITS existence is not an easy task, which brings many explanation about the whole existence. Maybe logic, currently, is not powerful enough or wider enough to guide us for answers.
I really like your observations and pretty much agree with you.
Sir: You should talk about HINDUISM too. Why have you not, Sir?. So much to learn on GOD from that system. Thanks. MeenaC
For me agnosticism concerning the existence of a God is perfectly fine. I have no problem with not knowing. Would I like to know? Sure. But I also feel that if there truly is a God who actually cares whether I know, then it's clearly up to that God to make itself known to me. It's not up to me to determine if God exists. Only God has the omniscience and omnipotence to make that happen. I surely do not.
What I can be quite sure of is that some specific religious paradigms describe a "God" that makes no sense to me. In fact, I'm convinced that their descriptions of God are clearly false due to the obvious self-contradictory nature of their descriptions. These include all of the Abrahamic descriptions of God. In other words, I'm convinced that if there is a God it's not the God describe in the Torah, Bible or Qur'an. If a God exists, it's far more likely to be described more correctly by various Eastern mystical religious paradigms such as Buddhism, or Taoism, or others. However, I don't even find those descriptions of God compelling.
So if there is a God, it's clearly up to he/she/it to reveal itself to me. It's not up to me to reveal myself to God. That would clearly be ridiculous. So it's a question that only God can answer. I'm simply not in a position to answer the question. I'm forced to be agnostic (i.e. without sufficient information to answer the question). And I have no problem with this. Apparently, if there is a God, God wants me to be agnostic. Otherwise God would reveal himself to me. Pretty simple if you ask me.
I really like your first paragraph. Even though I consider myself a "questioning" Christian, I pretty much agree with your statements in your first paragraph. I like your honesty about how you feel and how you approach assumptions and questions. The only statement you make for which I have an opposite feeling is your statement "I have no problem with not knowing." I myself get frustrated with NOT KNOWING when it comes to my perceptions/definitions of God. And I get frustrated when I believe something about God and another person believes something completely different that I do. I wonder why people have such different views of God? I guess the various cultures have a lot to do with it. Plus how people experience things in life. Right?
Anyhow... thanks for sharing your views. John in Florida
Ignorant.
Respectfully...you shift responsibility away from yourself...God needs no one to exixt...hint...ASK HIM INTO your life and reveal Himself..I did and was blown over when He entered...you'll know its Him...impossible to miss..you need no bible..anyone or whatever...point is..He is theost polite I know and will not enter if not invited...try
@@petertalgaard6540 I like your comment "... and will not enter if not invited." Very interesting.
@@petertalgaard6540 You clearly do not understand the theological problem here. This isn't about me needing a God. I have no need for a God. If a magical God exist who would bestow me with wonderful supernatural gifts such as eternal life, then it's up to him to do that. It's not up to me to demand that he does it. It would make no sense for it to be up to me since I'm not the one who is omnipotent and omniscient.
The Abrahamic religions (i.e. Judaism, Islam, and Christianity) demand that you must acknowledge God. But that's because they claim to have a God who is so mean, cruel, and hateful, that he'll supposedly do mean things to you if you fail to acknowledge him. That situation is actually the hallmark of false cult.
All that needs to be true is that God is a nicer person than me. If that's true, then I don't need to acknowledge or ask God for anything, God will just be nice to me because, like me, he's naturally nice.
You say, "I know he will not enter if not invited". A psychologist can explain to you precisely why you believe that. Especially if there was a point in your life where it was extremely important to you to believe that a God exists.
But no truly benevolent God would ever insist on such a thing. So it's not a theologically sound principle.
The Jewish theologian really struck a chord in me lol I really hope my egg banjo is able to be tuned to key
@oliver er
Torah makes mockery of God.
Leviticus 3-16 And the priest shall burn them upon the altar: it is the food of the offering made by fire for a *sweet savour all the fat is the LORD* ' *S* .
Leviticus 4-31 'Then he shall remove all its fat, just as the fat was removed from the sacrifice of peace offerings; and the priest shall offer it up in smoke on the altar for a *soothing aroma to the LORD* . Thus the priest shall make atonement for him, and he will be forgiven.
Genesis 8-21 And the *LORD was pleased with the aroma of the sacrifice* and said to himself, “I will never again curse the ground because of the human race, even though everything they think or imagine is bent toward evil from childhood. I will never again destroy all living things.
Exodus 29-18 And you shall burn the whole ram on the altar. It is a burnt offering to the LORD; *it is a sweet aroma, an offering made by fire to the LORD* .
Leviticus 1-9 You are to wash the internal organs and the legs with water, and the priest is to burn all of it on the altar. It is a burnt offering, a food offering, *an aroma pleasing to the LORD* .
Christians inherited this false believe and practice of Jews and made up a new religion called Christianity.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 philosophical as always Rizwan, love your thoughts
Life is like rainbow. If u try to catch fool ... Just see .. 💐💐💐💐
I believe that we exist in an imperfect evolving universe brought into existence and sustained by an imperfect evolving creator the nature of which is beyond our comprehension.
@James Henry Smith thanks 4 the reply
Many names
As native Americans danced for the one who brings the rain
Who are we to say that they were calling him by the wrong name
Buddhist monks make holy water from a toxic lake
And the faith was all the same
Who are we to say that they were calling him by the wrong name
Mountains can be moved and languages can change
But the one who creates everything is always the same
So don't point at me and say that our gods are not the same
There is only one on high
And he goes by many names.
"Since the masses of the people are inconstant, full of unruly desires, passionate, and reckless of consequences, they must be filled with fears to keep them in order. The ancients did well, therefore, to invent gods, and the belief in punishment after death."
Roman historian, Polybius.
@James Henry Smith "What" about the bible and the quran?
@James Henry Smith Just because books are real, doesn't mean that what is compiled under their covers is true.
Ancient men and now women, wrote and write what ever comes to "mind" ... and whatever comes to mind is based on ego.
Talk about EGO. In the second page of the King James version of the bible the words read as follows …
THE BIBLE
THIS BOOK REVEALS THE MIND OF GOD, the state of man, the way of salvation, the doom of sinners, and the happiness of believers.
ITS DOCTRINES ARE HOLY, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are immutable.
READ IT AND BE WISE, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you.
Find someone who does not suffer.
God is a squared circle!
This prof van huysteen I'm sure is south african and speaks afrikaans...its a small ethnic group in SA and VERY FEW people on earth speak afrikaans...his english sounds like the way afrikaans people sound when they speak afrikaans....I live in SA AND CAN ALSO speak afrikaans
It’s interesting how religious thought obscures the truth hidden in plain sight. A truth that is simple, elegant, includes everything and excludes nothing. Obviously, we’re all part of a Grand Mystery, so to contemplate whether God exists, or not, seems to be a bit of a distraction. A more poignant question may be, “Why, whatever existed prior to the Big Bang, did IT spontaneously divide itself into the wild, crazy, random unpredictability of creation?” Adding this line of enquiry has the potential to align our religious, spiritual and scientific narratives, and to assist humanity, once and for all, to inform us of our role in creation.
Hey there... I really like your last sentence. Can you elaborate more on what you mean by "adding this line of enquiry has the potential to align our religious... "?
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At 2:35 “humans are the most advanced forms...”. Is that what the octopus thinks? Is that what the spider thinks? Hmmm!
Well yes we have built great cities - we have travelled beyond our earth. We are capable of totally destroying an entire planet!
You just don't realize the Gift of human life that you have been given
You'd have to check their CZcams videos.... Oh wait....
Could start by experiencing God free will, consciousness, fullness and see if worthwhile. God can be as much a starting point as end or journey.
There is none - just a figment of our imagination
God is the beginning and end.
@@servant7777 Slave mentality - you are a Child of God but religion has reduced you down to a slave/servant, down on your knees begging God for mercy - brainlessly following a religion that created God in the image of their master of the past - the King/Dictator - these men rewarded obedience & loyalty & rewarded accordingly (Heaven & Hell)
Simple, primitive ideas of God that you brainlessly follow
God sees his son down on his knees begging and groveling and is ashamed of you
@@ramaraksha01 I don't serve religion. Many religions are corrupt. I don't beg God for mercy, rather it is the demons which beg me for mercy. I am not a blind sheep. I am a shepherd with vision. I don't seek heaven in the afterlife, for I already have heaven here on earth. Nor do I fear hell, rather it is hell which fears I. You are making many false assumptions about God, and myself based on your lack of understanding of the divine. You accuse me of being the slave. I did you no wrong, yet you randomly attacked me. Perhaps you are the slave? Because it's plain to see you are consumed by anger, criticism, and animosity. If being free is you, I would rather be a slave.
Why’s god’s created us , and how he can look after us , what about , if we created him to look after us ! The truth is, god divided himself and each piece of him , god’s gives to humans as his gifts to us to looking after ourselves!
Who look after God?
If you want to find God, why you aren't approached hindu philosophy...
I would also like to know why this series avoids Hindu philosophy.
He talks to Buddhists, but never looks at Vedanta
Because there's no
As long as we don’t know the answer . What created Big Bang? Multiverse ? Cosmic horizon boundary ? First quantum fluctuations? ... we have to rely on possibility of some super being and that we can say that is God or Universe itself is God unless we know who and how it got created.... may be Infinity of space time is God itself
And who created this super being? May I ask? How did he pop into existence with all these powers?
Ever consider the possibility that the human brain CANNOT at this stage and may never evolve enough to comprehend the true nature of our reality?
Why does THAT needs to be created by another?
God is Nature. God is an abstract thought. God is a very loving worker. God has to have itself. Maybe God started as a very small thought in the blackness of pure crushing gravity? Then millions of years passed and he began to see, think, hear, speak, touch, feel?
God is eternal because it has taken eternity to evolve into nature. God failed and succeeded. It needed to fail because without it God never would of seen a reason to establish certain fundamental laws. Every thought, resource, knowledge, good deed bad deed was manifested in it. God took entire eternity's perfecting its creation. We're loved but def left alone. God will care for our energy but we're alone in the universe
@@colinmatthews7442 And how do we know that what we are seeing is NOT the true nature of reality?
@@ramaraksha01 perhaps we cannot be sure as we only have our own experiences to go by.
I saw you mention Brahman in another post.
Have you done any practices?
Your posts are insightful but seem contradictory
Why doesn't include a point view of Hinduism? Why the oldest religion has been kept out? Some of the scriptures of Hinduism has real deep explanation of reality. It might be helpful in the journey of truth.
These shows have barely touched the surface of teachings of the Vedas, but you may be interested in an amazing new formal commentary on the Vedānta-sūtras that harmonizes Advaita, Śuddhādvaita, Viśiṣṭādvaita, Dvaita, Bhedābheda, and Acintyabhedābheda: ashishdalela.com/books/conceiving-the-inconceivable/
Robert seriously speaking, the kind of efforts and going back and forth to all these scholars, why don't you make these efforts with someone like Bibi it will solve the Palestinians issues.
I wonder about gpt3.
Non-sequitur? lol I mean gradient decent, backprop, and the related matrix math is just useful applied math. This computer mysticism is just a new functionalism
To me the concept of god is just supporting pillar to the promotion of a religion belief. To get followers to believe in their teachings, they must have a all mighty figure to promote.. a God. Someone or something they cannot question. Of course, in western religious concept it differs greatly from oriental concept in the aspect of beliefs but basically the god or gods are superior entities and need to follow their teachings...basically goodness pertaining to life.
Could time it self is .....
Why’s we’re searching for god ? How he or her , can be found, specially when we need him , we goes all the ways back , to big bangs, even before , the Big Bang ! Why the God’s doesn’t showed himself,
Because God is the one that IS. God is truth. If there is no truth then nothing can stand. Because it can not be true that there is no truth because you would need truth for it to be true.
@@marcoacuna933 Nonsensical
@@Arkade_Perfect To those that don't believe it will be shown to them but they will not understand. Because if they understood they would turn around and understanding will be given to them.
Maybe god should serve you breakfast in the bed?
If you believe in the Abrahamic gods, the Hindu, etc God's then He/She, they has shown themselves... If you're a deist then you believe we humans are on our own. My point is RELIGION creates their own version of God. I personally believe in a CREATOR which can be called GOD but I abhor religion... Since I have faith without religion then I don't fret over God showing or not showing himself... Peace...
If god has no effect on the nature,does it matter?
God is what Madge says in that old commercial about Palmolive dish washing liquid: "...You're soaking in it..."
In other words, our minds are immersed within the living substance of God's being (like fetuses in a womb).
Oh yes. I remember: "...and it softens the brain....you're soaking in it."
@@leonardobrien
Ha! Good one.
However, I would much rather have a soft and pliable brain (mind), as opposed to one that is hardened and closed.
@@TheUltimateSeeds My brain is open to Science but CLOSED to the schizo on the corner rambling about god, or tRump cult followers praising Dear Leader, or palm readings, etc, etc. Maybe that makes me stupid?
Maybe god is amused at our philosophical meanderings about him.
at 14-42 Billy Grassie narrator says "There is a classic tradition" . "So to call God a father for instance is purely metaphoric speech and God is not literally a father. If God were a father, He wouldn't be God. "
This line put a smile on my face, ah ah ah, I am so glad to hear from a none-Muslim critic of God, Christians and Jews don't want to hear this from Muslims, when we say to this Jews and Christians who God is and who God is not, but now you can hear it from your own people.
This is the concept of God in Islam, so people read the Quran and understand who truly God is in the Quran.
The God of Quran is mind boggling in HIS majesty and attributes.
Quran 6:101 To Him is due the primal origin of the heavens and the earth: How can He have a son when He hath no consort? He created all things, and He hath full knowledge of all things.
When I ponder about the Creator of the heavens and Earth, my heart rest in peace.
RIZAN RAFEEK.
I am an agnostic. I follow no religion. All the major religions promote irrational thinking and that includes Islam. Although I do prefer Christian concept of God than the Islamic concept of God. Christian see God as a father and he or she is His child.
Muslims see God as a slave master and he or she is a slave.
This is what a Muslim scholar by the name of Nouman Ali Khan says in a talk
" Why is the Koran in arabic"? and I quote " But the entire premise of the Koran is that you are a slave. He is the Master which means you could not be in a lower position of weakness". End of quote. What a sick relationship!! Btw, Nouman Ali Khan was saying Muslims shouldn't question why the Koran is in arabic. Listen to his talk if you dont believe me. Also the comments have been switched off. I wonder why??? !!!
@@charlievaughan1308 _"I am an agnostic. I follow no religion. "_
That is your liberty.
_"Christian see God as a father "_
That is false concept of God, there is no such attribute of God exists.
_"Muslims see God as a slave master and he or she is a slave. "_
Wrong again, we conceptualized God as One who loves HIS creations 70 times greater than a real mother loves her child. We say we are slaves of God, in service to HIM.
_"" Why is the Koran in arabic"? "_
That was a original language God revealed to Mohammed (pbuh).
If Mohammed (pbuh) had spoken Hebrew then Quran would have been Hebrew.
_"He is the Master which means you could not be in a lower position of weakness". "_
We bow face down before our Creator in humility, you seems to be a person of high arrogant and God is not please with people of boastful and arrogant.
_"End of quote. What a sick relationship "_
We don't see it as "sick relationship" but rather we know who we are and we know who God is.
First part of relationship with your Creator, you must understand your position.
As you said above you _"I do prefer Christian concept of God"_ which is false concept of God, you liked something even though it is inaccurate, but you shun Islamic concept of God though it is accurate, due to your arrogant.
_"Nouman Ali Khan was saying Muslims shouldn't question why the Koran is in arabic. "_
Arabic was the best language spoken at that time and it is still consider one of the best language.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 I would to reply to your posting. Let me reiterate my position. I am agnostic. I see no convincing evidence for the existence of any God, especially the Abrahamic God. However I am a truth seeker. The idea of a God torturing a human being in fire because the person doesn't worship him, I find morally repugnant to see the least. I do not believe either The Bible or The Koran is the word of God for obvious reasons.
Now to get to the heart of the matter.
" Christian sees God as Father".
You say and I quote " That is a false concept of God, there is no such of attribute of God exists". End of quote. Says who ?? Interestingly when Muslims engage in dawa to convert Christians to Islam, they make the point that they also believe in Jesus. However when Muslim dawa merchants present there dawa message to Christians they are less than honest. For example are you aware that Jesus called God "Father" 65 times in the gospel Matthew, Mark and Luke . He called God "Father" at least 100 times in the gospel of John. When the disciples asked Jesus how they should pray, He said in Matthew 6 :9---13 " This then is how you should pray, " Our Father in Heaven". If as a Muslim you claim to follow Jesus why don't address God as Father when you pray to him?
Now let us now look at Judaism and what the prophets believed. The Prophet Malachi wrote and I quote " Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us......? 2 :10 Isaiah 63 :16 and I quote " Doubtless thou art our Father". In first Chronicles it says "......Blessed are you Lord , God of Israel Our Father from eternity to eternity". Incidently, this was later included in the morning service in the synagogue. So you have no basis for saying that the the concept of God is false and no such attribute of God exists. Btw, when Jews and Christians address God as Father, it is not in a literal sense. It is a figure of speech. It is to convey God's love for mankind.
"Muslims see God as a slave master and he or she as a slave".
I quoted the Islamic scholar NoumanAli Khan from his talk given 5 years ago entitled " Why is the Koran in arabic". This is what he says and I will highlight it. I appears to me that you havnt listened to his entire talk. I will give you three statements from that talk. I will highlight the first statements. He says " BUT THE ENTIRE PREMISE OF THE KORAN IS THAT YOU ARE A SLAVE .HE IS THE MASTER WHICH MEANS YOU COULD NOT BE IN A LOWER POSITION OF WEAKNESS". End of quote. Also he goes on to say " And they're losing the fundamental premise with which we approach the Koran We are slave.He is master. He also says " The Koran is actually putting us not in a position of a consumer but in the position of a slave". Nowhere does he talk about where in the Koran about God's love is 70 times greater than that of a mother. I believe this is a hadith. That hadith contradicts the Koran. The whole reason for his talk is tell Muslims that they they should not be questioning why Allah revealed the Koran in Arabic because they are slaves and he is the master. One last quote from talk to prove my point.He says " I don't have to explain to you the benefits of the Arabic language. That's why Allah choose Arabic or look how beautiful the Arabic language is. And Allah made it easy and all.Thats All secondary man. You're the slave. Who are you to ask dude"? When I listen to talks like this I am not surprised so many Muslims are leaving Islam. I don't think I will be converting to Islam any time soon. What do you think?
@@charlievaughan1308 You kept repeating the same line over and over.
@@charlievaughan1308 _"The idea of a God torturing a human being in fire because the person doesn't worship him, "_
Worshiping the God, does not benefit the God, it will benefit people alone.
_"I find morally repugnant to see the least. "_
You are a product of God and so God have the right over HIS creations.
_"I do not believe either The Bible or The Koran is the word of God for obvious reasons. "_
Quran does not force believe in the God of Abraham.
_" That is a false concept of God, there is no such of attribute of God exists". End of quote. Says who ?? "_
Oh gee, I guess you haven't watch this whole video, at 14-42 on this video Billy Grassie narrator says "There is a classic tradition" . "So to call God a father for instance is purely metaphoric speech and God is not literally a father. If God were a father, He wouldn't be God. "
Where did Billy Grassie get this idea from that God is not the father of anyone or anything ?????????
Billy Grassie is not muslim but through logical subtraction, Billy Grassie has come to understanding God is not a father, that is exactly the position of God of the Quran and the God of the Torah.
_"For example are you aware that Jesus called God "Father" 65 times in the gospel Matthew, Mark and Luke . "_
You seriously believe, Muslims believe in the NT as the words of the God as God revealed revelation???????? NO.
Not to mention NT also says Jesus never called his own Mother as Mom, instead, Jesus of NT called his Mother as 'woman', violation to Ten Commandments (one of the Commandment).
We don't believe real Jesus (pbuh) ever did something like that to his Mother.
_"Now let us now look at Judaism and what the prophets believed. The Prophet Malachi wrote and I quote " Have we not all one Father? "_
No Jews or Muslims believe that the God of the Torah literally begotten a son like creations do on Earth, whereas in the Christians believe so, Christians say that "Jesus is the only begotten son, who is also divine". This is the problematic belief for Jews and Muslims.
_" "Muslims see God as a slave master and he or she as a slave"_
That is in service to God. God have power over everything and in the OT Jews were called servant of God, ask me for quotation.
So Islam and Judaism very much similar in the core beliefs.
I don't have a problem, me being a slave to the Creator of the universe.
I wonder why all representations of gods reflect the barbaric beliefs of those that make up the myth.🧐
Haven't you heard that the god of the Savage is also always the enemy of Savage enemy....
And that piece is based on our minds! So the answers, which is closers to true will be , we are all together, including spaces, glaxy’s , universes, all of us together creating God’s!
Jai Hind
Spinoza should be reviewed more often...as for the greatest good it requires it implies suffering and pleasure in order for things to have value and meaning. These guys have a poor understanding of Ecosystems.
I can't get why did he choose a representative of shia minority of Islam to speak on behalf of Islam
He may have spoken to a dozen and this was the only one not spewing incomprehensible gibberish?
God exists but as far as we (human beings) are concerned it should be much better if he didn't exist because he is obviously not right in his mind...
to look for god, is to look at different perspective. if one is belong any kind of religions, that perspective only to that of a god is.
humanity had not reach to the depth of that perspective yet, its all due to education, and system of society up bringing, there for, that perspective had not been presented correctly.
to look for god, look into Atheism + Logical + Mysticism. performs Analysis, with freewill.
you can not find god in Science and Religions.
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Man has searched for God for so many years to no avail.religions of the world all are man made tools to explain god,that is why there are many religions.the reason for persistence of idea of god throughout the ages is human beings' internal requirement for it to be a God.spiritual journeys of an individual is very real for him.they called all the prophets crazy they burnt them at stake,they crucified them,yet this did not stop them from preaching.
Are you muslim?
Apophatic NOT apathetic
If you're going to talk about God, this is the way to do it. Many grow weary of Christian Sunday school interpretations. If God is the sum of all in existence, not approachable, not personal, simply the energy and matter of all existence, then I can go there. The term 'God' has a lot of baggage though. Just call it "The Sum of all existence". And the universe is not created for humans. It just is. We'll still try to understand it though.
That's Brahman - unfeeling, impersonal - it is everything! They coined the "God particle" wrong, it is actually the "Brahman Particle" - you, me, the air, the sun, the galaxies, the universe - all is Brahman
@@ramaraksha01 Correct.
If God is in all the universe he wouldn't be an impersonal being. This is because he would be in humans, and thus he would be able to relate to humanity. Likewise if he were in humanity, he would be a living being. Therefore the universe would be living. The universe consist of knowledge, truth, creativity, and complexity therefore God would consist of the same.
There are reasons why the Sunday school interpretations perceive God as a person. So it's not about your or others interpretations being correct or wrong. God is a complex being. The solution to understanding God is by perceiving through as many perspectives as possible this is the only way to get closer to the truth.
@@servant7777 If energy is in all the universe, it wouldn't be an impersonal energy?
Carbon is in every human. Men and women. Does that make carbon a living male being?
Open minded means letting go of your conditioned conceptions. I said the term God comes with baggage. There are plenty of people who will carry it though, huh?
@@servant7777 Brahman is not God, God is a step below Brahman, Gods came out of the Brahman
If God were living thing, then he would be subject to death, just like us? Something tells me you won't like that idea
The universe also consists of mindless horror and entire worlds being destroyed also- the dinosaurs ruled for a long, long time, much much longer than we have been around and by sheer luck of them being wiped out we came about
But we are not out of the woods yet - we are making a mess of this planet - we might be cooking ourselves to death or just like the dinos, we too might be wiped out any day
As for God being a person - we have this body today because of being born here on earth - our ancestors rose in an area where there was lots of grass and savannah - if they had arisen in a forested area, our feet would have looked like our hands, just like monkeys
Our feet changed because we started to walk - otherwise we would be walking like monkeys
A "God" born in the outer universe would look nothing like us - we have anthropomorphized him
That's basic Idolatry
If God came down in the form of a woman, she would get kicked out
As a black man and says his name is Rama, he would get kicked out
NOTE: There was a MURDER in the beginning! This UNIVERSE? This *Universe is the REMNANT body of a murder victim. Point is! Its ESSENCE is structurally attempting to reestablish its *existence! *(Take that!)* Think about it! All life is derivative of the remnant ''parts''!" *Evolution is the PATH as is taken within an attempt to reestablish all life unto a purposeful - logical termination. (*Can you HEAR me?)* Eternity? Just what is that? Eternity?
That is not all we can do; we can all wonder. But what will lead us to the truth?
'Read' God says 'read'.
He also tells you to 'say'.
Reading and speaking are two very important acts we humans do all the time.
When you say, you believe it; otherwise you can't say. When you think about it, that is when it is not yet believed.
You only say things you believe in - unless you want to lie about it.
Sometimes, you can't even say what you believe in. For example in politics, you have to refrain from saying what you believe in - unless you have the proof.
When you go to your doctor, you say your symptoms. Then, the doctor can diagnose what may cause your symptoms. The doctor may believe the cause of your problem when he sees the result of your test.
Saying and believing are two separate acts. However, usually seeing is believing. But reading is a better thing to do.
You should only believe in black and white - first. You can then see the color too.
Robert, why would humans be saddled with an intuitive knowledge of God? Why would you wrestle with His existence if there is nothing there? Why are you uncomfortable with notions of the afterlife that deny your ability to hang onto your individualism? How to explain the coherence in the universe or the grossly improbable fine tuning of the universe. Are we a product of chance plus time, enough multiverses that in one of them a Boeing 707 comes into existence random, complete with stitches in the seat covers? The mystery of consciousness, our notions of good and evil, the mathematical precision of DNA coding? I think you know the answer.
And so who created this magic being? How did he pop into existence with incredible powers? Wouldn't he wonder the same things as you did? how did i pop into this vast space? how come i have all these incredible powers? Who created me? Must be an even super-super being?
And so on and on?
Just because you have questions that can't be answered does not mean a Super being must exist
@@ramaraksha01 So you have not been following this conversation. Catch up please.
@@rickdalbey6009 Well I did - you asked a lot of questions and decided since there are no answers, God must exist? We also think of Superman, Spider man also and so they too must exist? How about the tooth fairy? Exists too?
how about Dracula? Vampires? Exist too?
The Universe has not been fine-tuned for us - WE are fine-tuned for the universe. Life only popped here on earth, not on mars or Pluto? Why? It is darn too hot on mars, too cold on pluto - the conditions are JUST RIGHT here on earth
And we didn't just pop up to be where we are today - read a book - there's a nice one by a Charles Darwin
It took us millions of years to get here
Remember the first bycyle? how silly it looked? The first cars? How crazy they looked?
We are the product of evolution going on for millions of years & we are an accident as well - if the whatever disaster did not wipe out the dinosaurs, we might not be here today to wonder about things
@@ramaraksha01 You are a sophist, not a real inquirer.
@@rickdalbey6009 Reality is not pleasing and that is what I write about
Life is harsh, difficult and people hoped for a nice easy life & religions were more than happy to cater to them - Sugar Daddy Gods await - with nothing better to do than cater to the pleasures of the flesh of billions
Hinduism is one of the few religions that cater to the Warrior, the Strong - THIS IS IT! THIS IS ALL THERE IS!
My words frighten people like yourself
My karma ran over my dogma
GOD in abrahamic religion's definition requiring GOD to be perfect makes worshiping GOD meaningless since IF GOD made all heaven and earth perfect then GOD cannot make alternations after creation since it means that the created PERFECT SYSTEM was not PERFECT meaning GOD is not perfect conflicting with the definition.
So whether you worship GOD or not, GOD will not be able to provide any preferential treatment since it was all set into motion when GOD created the PERFECT SYSTEM.
Consider the PERFECT SYSTEM as the PERFECT watch and the perfect watch-smith as GOD since GOD will be unable to make any alternations within the perfect watch once completed.
If you can talk and question so much with the Israel government you could save the Palestinian people.
God exists, but He is in the form of A SPIRIT. The almighty God had a problem: He knew the future and that was a bad thing. We could talk about many hypothetical futures, but eventually ONLY ONE WELL DETERMINED future will come TRUE. Well, God knew that ONE future. But, if that future is the one which will really become true, then God had just to LET IT UNFOLD exactly like it is, He was NOT supposed TO CHANGE IT: God CANNOT DO ANY MISTAKES in his knowledge of the future ! Even worse, that ONE future INCLUDED ALL FUTURE GODS ACTIONS, this means that GOD WOULD BE OBLIGED to take EXACTLY ALL THOSE ACTIONS. What was the SOLUTION to this problem ? When in a remote past God knew the WHOLE future, He simply COMMANDED his power "SO IT SHALL BE (but without me)". That's all. By doing so, God avoided LATER OBLIGATIONS to PERSONALLY and EXACTLY take all the God's actions set out in that WELL-DETERMINED future. God cannot be "obliged" to do things !!! God's work was OVER, He was immediately FREE from any other duty, He would even be free to GO AWAY! This means that God is NOT here now and that the God's words are automatically spoken by his power (a thing) alone. Since we hear the God's words but NOBODY is here, we say that God is a spirit ("God is a spirit" John 4, 24). He is the "Spirit of God". This means the almighty God ONLY dwells in that remote past ("the world has not known you") and nobody ever saw Him. Thus, the almighty God is absent, just his power is here. Jesus in heaven indeed sits only next to THE POWER of God. But God - due to his power - even from that remote past is able to reach us now.
"God is unknowable" - yeah? How do you know that?
I was Spoken to directly by Creator ! 100% positive & without Any Question. I was an Atheist the day creator spoke to me. From that day forward I will ALWAYS Exclaim my knowledge of there being a creator. I also know a woman who was spoken to as well. It was Positively a Powerful booming male voice. Woman experienced the identical voice & described exactly as I have when explaining my experience. Peace & Much Love to All...We are All Humans Trying to Be. I'm like you & you like me. We're All brothers & sister's in this world we Must see. Let's all band togather & we Will be Free.- Running Turtle 2021
It amazes me how god is referred to as "he".
Why would god need a gender?
@Pierre van Wyk _"Why would god need a gender? "_
Thanks for your question. God is a conscience being, therefore you can address God as HE, in Islam God is not a male or female.
Quran 112:1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; 2: Allah, the Eternal, Absolute; 3: He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; 4: And there is none like unto Him.
Did you listen to Billy Grassie's narrative on this video. That is Islamic concept of God.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 so why not refer to God as "It"?
In German they have "das" which is a neutral gender. Used for children and girls.
The same should apply to God.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 what if you decided to refer to God as "She" instead?
I bet you would hate they idea.
Try it and see.
How does it change your idea of God?
Mahmoud Ayoub totally mixed it up.. he needs to look at the concept of Allah in the Quran. Human beings need to reflect those attributes to solve human problems. No religion can answer this question as their concepts are contaminated by human emotions. Dr Kuhn is just wasting his and others' time..
'The universe needs accounting for.' That's the big gun of religion. God doesn't need accounting for because, well, he's God. But the universe does.
God is whatever is (not said).
“God" is a word for lazy person to understand this world. Whether the world is agnostic or not, we should try to analyse, to understand this world where we live in from many perspective rather than do nothing or some useless religion actives.
The definition of God in the Quran 112:1-4
1. Say, “He is God, the One.
2. God, the Absolute.
3. He begets not, nor was He begotten.
4. And there is nothing comparable to Him.”
5. He doesn’t excist outside your brain.
@@erikhviid3189 Yeah, just like your "nothing“.
@@fariadoonshenwari2569 the sentence contradict itself.
@@erikhviid3189 It seems you are a blind believer.
@@fariadoonshenwari2569 nope. Anti-theist.
I am 100% convinced that all religions and their naive godconcepts are manmade BS.
But I don’t KNOW.
Narrator at 3-52 says Christians "'God' is Greater, more Perfect", however as far as Islam is concerned there is no perfection in the God, should God demanded killing Jesus(pbuh) for his blood or manslaughter for mercy and salvation, because 'God' Himself has to *frame* the evil killing blameless prophet of God i.e. Jesus (pbuh), 'God' Himself has to *honor* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, 'God' Himself has to *endorse* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, 'God' Himself has to *participate* in the evil killing blameless prophet of God, and 'God' Himself has to *accept* the evil killing blameless prophet of God, I know in my heart none of these is valid before the God or stands before the God. Isn't it mentioned in the Christian's "holy-book" God tempt no one to commit evil????????????????????
Should God forgives those who turn to HIM in whole sincerity, it never violates God's majestic nature.
Thank God I am a Muslim, *I love the notion God saved Jesus* (pbuh) from humiliation, torture, nakedness and near death ordeal from enemies of God and enemies of Jesus (pbuh), just like God saved many prophets from near death ordeal, but Christians generally don't like the idea saving Jesus, as you know not killing Jesus (pbuh) means no salvation waiting for Christians.
Islam makes sense to those who are thinking.
Not sure what you have written makes sense? Need to read the concept of Allah of the Quran...
@@edwardrussell7168 Without killing Jesus (pbuh), will there be a 'salvation' waiting for Christians? Answer is no.
_"Need to read the concept of Allah of the Quran. "_
That is a step in right direction.
@@edwardrussell7168 Point is, killing Jesus for his blood for mercy and salvation, could not be the will of the God or plan of God, should God planned and kill Jesus for Christians salvation, then it violates God's majestic nature in big time.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 I'm curious about how you perceive "crucifixion"? Do you believe people who died on a cross were cursed ?
@@johnbrzykcy3076 _" I'm curious about how you perceive "crucifixion"? "_
It is ungodly and blasphemy to attribute killing Jesus unto the God, as though God planned and killed Jesus. It is an insult to an injury, when Jews rebel against God, plot to kill Jesus and then you Christians turn around and say it was the will of God and God planned the killing Jesus for your salvation is an an insult to an injury.
Should God planned the killing Jesus for your so-called "mercy and salvation" then God is not God at all.
Those who turn to God in whole sincerity seeking forgiveness from God, should God forgives those who turn to HIM in whole sincerity it never violates God's majestic nature at all.
Ezekiel 18:21, Ezekiel 18:23, Ezekiel 18:27, Ezekiel 33:19, Ezekiel 33:11, Ezekiel 33:12, Isaiah 55:7.
What do we do with above verses from OT, put them into trashcan ?
On the other hand, should God demanded killing Jesus (pbuh) for your "mercy and salvation", then God becomes ungodly entity, in other words God is not God at all.
This guy gets God all wrong. God is not about debate or beliefs, nor is God about judgements. God is ubiquitous essence that we and other living entities tap into.
@Seanus32
Read the Quran to understand who truly God is and who God is not.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 So you know God? ;)
@@Seanus32 You will know what I know about the God, if you read the Quran.
@@rizwanrafeek3811 God cannot be known and any Muslim knows this.
@@Seanus32 _"God cannot be known and any Muslim knows this. "_
Ture, but you will know the attributes of God in the Quran. Who is better to tell about the God, than God Himself. Quran is God's words.
I don't trust people with necktie talking about God of Islam in a negative way. As expected, he can not even look up to show his lying face.
The irony is that according to the father of analytical psychology wether you are an atheist, agnostic, deist, panentheist, panpsychist, pantheist or theist etc what we all share is an hierarchy of values and what ever is at the top of that hierarchy of values functions as “God” for you. It may be a “god” that you don’t believe in or a “God” that you can’t name but it is irrelevant. Because the fact is that what ever you think about this concept, highest value, ground of all being/God/that of which nothing greater can be conceived at the top of your hierarchy of values has very little impact on how your “god” is acting in you!!
Equally, the irony is that there are plenty of creation myths and “gods” to choose from, especially if you’re a strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist. There’s the god of the Big Bounce, The Bubble universe god, The god of the eternal Steady State universe used to be quite popular until the “Big Bang” came along and burst that bubble. There’s also the Black Hole universe god, Simulation universe god, Flat Earth universe, Plasma electric universe god, The gods of Electric light Orchestra universe etc. Not to mention the god of the mystical, magical, invisible multiverse!!
The list of gods of relativism/ atheism goes on but some of us just go one god of relativism/atheism further by believing that a random, accidental, meaningless, blind, mindless, pitiless, merciless, cosmic god of mishaps and random atoms and brain chemicals creating the illusion of stable patterns and regularities just did it.
Basically, militant atheists deny one less god of relativism than theists do. Militant atheists don't believe in the 2,999 gods of relativism/atheism in the whole of the scientific literature and history because they have been debunked by science as it is a constantly changing landscape regarding what (is) not what (ought) to be!! And theists don't believe in just one more god of atheism/relativism!! Theists don’t believe in just one more god of what (is).
Gotcha!! drum roll, kerching (Applause).
The fact is that the “natural sciences” can’t prove anything as they are provisional and can only infer. It’s a constantly changing landscape regarding what (is) not what (ought) to be!! This is why Dawkins appeal to the “natural science’s ” in matters of epistemology, metaphysics, meta ethics and meta logic is comedy gold and is hilarious!!
“You can not get an (ought) out of an (is)” - (David Hume).
Equally, the irony and the absurdity is that some of us just go (one god of pond slime evolved to an higher order) further that magically created truth, that is magically created value claims, ought claims, the prescriptive laws of logic, the uniformity of nature, conscious agents and free will, that is rationality itself, inductive reasoning, identity over time, empiricism, the one and the many, the myth of the given etc!!
The list of metaphysical presupposition’s and immaterial, invariant conceptual realities, that is transcendental categories goes on!! None of which can be grounded in the sub set of science known as the “natural sciences”.
“Science progresses funeral by funeral” (Max Planck).
God is only known by experience. Experience is not a feeling. It is knowing. Read SWAMI Vivekananda (there were no Hindus in this episode). Read Lillian Dewaters’ post- enlightenment writings- Light of the Eternat, Who Am I, etc. The answers are not in the ivy covered walls of academia. You must experience god; when you experience god, you will know, and your knowledge will be beyond rational articulation. You know you exist, but you absolutely cannot prove it or articulate how you know it. But it is the only thing you know first hand, beyond the mediation of the senses. In the same way, you will know that God exists. This is the promise of the mystics. There are many paths, but academia is not one. Academics have second hand knowledge. God can only be known first hand.
Vision perceives Him not but He perceives all vision. Quran
I really appreciate your efforts , your all topics are so interesting and your quest for truth is so genuine. But i have one thing to say ... if Your are searching for God's existance.. then go where God claims here I am and these are my worlds Science and philosophy doesn't claim that .. You are afraid of religion and your fear is quite normal... Religious people misinterpreted the concepts and Teachings. As you can't understand the science and scientific concepts without learning them by yourself by mere conversation with scientists you don't understand religious beliefs.There are only few of religions, study them by yourself with true intention that if truth reveals it self you will accept it without any fear of surrender And hesitation
I love these shows but please STOP with god stuff and leave that to some myth site ,just not fitting for such an intelligent show .
Blah, blah, blah. All for nothing.