Easy Mode For Modern Retro Gaming - RetroTINK-5X Pro
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Trying to hook up a retro console like a Sega Genesis on a modern TV can be tricky as you can't simply hook it up and expect it to work. The RetroTINK-5X Pro makes it extremely easy and it almost feels like you are cheating!
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Anthony Note: Lots of people commenting on the RetroTINK Short Circuit saying SCART can adapt composite/S-Video and the Koryuu is unnecessary. This is half-true. The problem is with the OSSC - it’s only *wired* for component/RGB. Those adapters don’t actually convert the signal. Koryuu does.
Anthony, you are the hero we need, but just don't deserve ❤️
Only 1 reply for the hero but now 2 with 105 likes
or get a sony 4k tv :)
question for Anthony regarding Kung Fu Flash Cartridge - is it better than SD2IEC and 1541 Ultimate II cartridges?
I am not sure if this helps but here in Europe Composit( red, white, yellow) to scart adapters were very common, in fact so common that they came with all sorts of devices
Anthony: "I guess now I need to turn it on?"
Me: saying to myself, "yeah sure."
Anthony: "...but not before I turn you on..."
Me: "oh wow"
Anthony: "... to ifixit..."
Me: "oh..."
Me..a little turned on..
Heard -> went into comments
I had the same reaction lol
Anthony can turn me on any day, I trust him.
Meanwhile people with vanced and sponsor skip extension be like: uh.. ok
"Do you wanna talk about war crimes?" was unexpected and hilarious
i find that the imperfections from coax to be part of the beauty of retro gaming on real old crt screens. it will be awesome the more filters that try to create that old visual effect from way back then
Eren Jaeger is like: YES
Anthony ain't got a clue. Rf cable looked fine and clear. Maybe in Canada thier Rf standards sucked
Fun fact, being a war criminal isn't hard at all.
In fact almost all COD and battlefield players are "war criminals".
Cut the camera to Anthony doing a deep dive into the history of the Yugoslav Wars with some turbofolk classics playing in the background
This segment of LMG really gets me excited about other directions it may go later on. Because this is fantastic content that I never even thought I needed :)
Glad to hear it!
Agreed! Can't get enough of the retro devices coverage!
@@ShortCircuit Tell Linus to let you guys go off on more niche nerd tangents, I'm loving this.
Need more retro. Imagine the collabs. Imagine LGR and Anthony building a retro rig together!
It feels like Anthony is taking over this channel, and I am totally fine with this. All hail our Linux-loving overlord!
Glad to see that now-iconic "IT'S RETRO TIME!" intro again lol
Also glad to see Anthony in general and glad to see the SEGA Genesis - always :D
Software scanlines - not so glad to see em.
Anthony is like FM synthesis.
are software scan lines just not as good as real ones? like are u really better off using a CRT?
@@frezieduh3457 hmm
software scan lines are like artificial film grain - absurdly perverted
@@misatzu People should stop thinking in term of scanlines when it come to CRT emulation. This is so limited.
Retroarch modern shaders emulate the whole phosphor grid/mask of a CRT, and they are amazing on a 4k oled.
Many PVM owner have ditched their CRT after seing it.
And it's software only (GPU).
"It's powered by a MicroUSB"
*Linus appears running yelling F*CK MicroUSB!!!! and runs away into the distance*
"retro" connector for retro gaming.
"It's powered by a MicroUSB. Cool."
*It is certainly not, "cool"*
And he would be right! F*ck micro USB!
Micro USB was a mistake. Should have jumped from mini to C
The funny thing about coaxial cable is that the oldschool implementation of it used a very slow clock speed. This really limited its capability. Now in modern settings you can send 4K lossless video over them for up to 80 meters! That's 12Gbps! Many television studios use this today! Things get even more crazy when you consider high end data centers pushing upwards of 53Gbps on a single coaxial cable!
I've tested coaxial cables sending information at 12 Gbps. It's amazing how much data can be sent across them with surprisingly little loss.
@MarcW: that is sort of disingenuous though, HD-SDI using a coaxial cable isn't really using a simple signal so much as a packetized data stream over copper in those instances, similar to something such as ethernet.
Moreover, you are still better off running SDI over fiber at distances, just like ethernet! Not to mention, these days there is NDI, if for example you want a 19km cable run. Coaxial is not ideal for that by any stretch of the imagination.
Moreover, Anthony *explicitly said* RF. The connector and cable are just one piece of the puzzle, RF signals are intrinsically worse for quality than even composite video, regardless of the cable utilized. At least composite video splits the audio out entirely (usually into left/right RCA cables) whereas RF is just one cable to "rule them all" and do all the signals a disservice in the process.
@@grey5626 It's still pretty amazing one thick "wire" can have transfer speeds on par with multi-conductor Ethernet/DIsplayPort/USB...
@@dvdkon7165 Yeah, as long as it's not analogue of course. That being said, that's only an unidirectional signal like for television with DTTV signals or DAB radios. As bi-directional, most people still receive internet through their phone wires which are basically just a pair of copper wires. You can get up to GB's of speed with those, especially using the G.fast technology which is pretty neat. Same goes for Wi-Fi or 4/5G, your antennas are a simple pair of wires with a fancy tip.
All in all, it's the underlying technology that matters and the energy put into them, not the wires by themselves. : )
I remember downloading programs and getting happy when I hit over 1Kbs download speed about 15 years ago.
Just to give some additional information from Europe where we actually used those plugs: You don't need additional (active) hardware to get the video signal that goes through the yellow composite plug to work.
SCART being the plug of the many pins it not only carries an RGB signal. It also has pins for composite. So all you need is a composite-> SCART adapter. In fact pretty much all consoles in europe shipped with exactly that inside the box because our TVs usually had multiple SCART inputs but at best one composite-in.
For Gamecube and Wii you then were able to purchase the separate SCART cables which gave you better picture quality because you were actually using the RGB-pins in the SCART cable instead of composite.
true i have like gazilion of those adapters in drawer :D
True although by the time GC and Wii came out I think most of us had switched to Component cables
Even the S-VIDEO cable can be used with an SCART adapter without issue.
The OSSC doesn’t support this - Just component and RGB
@@emily-young that's rather unfortunate. That composite fallback was one of the main reasons that connector was so popular in the PAL world. It was basically the USB-C of the AV world. One plug to cover everything.
That SCART adapter is something everyone already have in their "might be useful in the future" cable box.
Its waiting in there, ready to strike at any moment in time.... Just when the time is right it will re-emerge
I use them for grabbing vhs
Those things came with every peripheral i ever purchased for my old tv (DVD players, gaming consoles, VCR etc).
@@RaXXha If it's SCART to HDMI, it probably introduces latency, which is no problem when playing movies from an old video player, but is a problem with game consoles.
@@syncmonismIt's not, the one where talking about is SCART to composite, there's no signal conversion involved afaik.
See, finally something that actually interests me. I have an overwhelming amount of cables, wires, and consoles all interconnected with weird upscaling and deinterlacing filters so my image ends up being recorded as clean as possible, but this might actually be the thing that finally replaces all of that and gives me a simple export image that I can then record painlessly.
Any Anthony video about retro gaming, upscalers, RGB and such will always be my favorite.
It's worth noting that Mike Chi continues to offer firmware updates with amazing new features. Even this demonstration includes options that were not available when I purchased mine. The Retrotink 5X Pro only gets better with time.
I love the OSSC but Mike Chi knocked it out of the park with the Retro Tink 5x. I love mine.
That's awesome on so many levels, not only is Anthony hosting, but it's also about retro games, presented by someone who knows what he's talking about AND uses S3K, Sonic Adventure and Giana Sisters as examples. Thanks Anthony, you made my day :)
I feel like the 5x pro deserves a follow up considering the sheer number of added features that have come along with the frequent firmware updates that have been released since launch .
And the upcoming 4K model as well.
i got me one and the firmware updates for this thing make it the gift that keeps on giving. i have 13 consoles connected to it and they all look amazing!
It's really cool to see you guys covering the retro gaming space. I use an OSSC for my setup and comparisons videos like this were invaluable for helping me to set it up correctly. Keep it up!
I love how Anthony talks about retro things with passion.
Retro-time with Anthony should be a main series
Hey Anthony! My favourite presenter in the team, it's been great watching your journey from starting out to current day. You're always informative, detailed but most of all just a chill wholesome dude. Keep it up man.
Can we have a proper "retro time with anthony" intro, these are series at this point
Yes
Yes, just like 'BRIAN THE ELECTRITION!'
@@adikgaming7544 Is Brian a process, action or conditon?
Anthony's Retro Time opening has to be one of the best yet! So great to see him covering how to use Audio Visual adapters for retro gaming. I have an OSSC and it's useful to see other innovations for AV adapters and scalers for modern displays.
I just want to say a huge thank you to Anthony for dropping some footage of Shining Force 2 in this video. My favorite game on the Genesis and possibly of all time.
I came here to comment just this. It's also possibly my favorite game of all time.
I like retro gaming every now and then, and was definitely around for it; but man Anthony takes this too a whole other level and it just glorious nerdness. Love it.
Love this. Always wondered about retrotink vs ossc pros and cons. Great video
Always a delight seeing Anthony talking about retro things, very nice.
The greatest thing about the 5X is how much mike chi has updated it since launch such as the smoothing filter he swore would never come out
Learned about the retrotink 5x 2 weeks ago and was considering it. Found a few videos but was hoping Anthony would review it. Love the retro focused videos I would be awesome to see some more retro focused content especially repairs. Save the consoles!!!
Great explanation on the scaling! I was curious about that. I'd suggest doing another one with the 5X latest and greatest firmware as well. Thanks!!
Was about to take it apart but afraid of breaking it, follows it up with a ifixit *right to repair* ad...
Love ya Anthony!!!
Awesome! I gotta get my old Atari 1040st out of storage and give this a whirl! I had no idea it had so much connectivity until I watched this video! Pretty excited to play my old games on a giant screen!
Smooth and silk, chilled as anything. Awesome vid.
Here, scart was super common for VCRs, DVD Players and such. Every tv had at least 1 scart plug, and often 3 or more. Obv it's not as common now since HDMI but TV's as recent as 2019 still had a scart plug. We also used scart adapters too, it's quite versatile. The PS3 came with a scart
Yes! I've been waiting for Anthony too review this
This is the video I was waiting for ever since Anthony's tech upgrade. Was looking forward to see this content in his own Linux/RetroGaming/Hacks channel, but oh well.
The cables shown in 0:58, are actually S-Video and Composite, which can be used with a cheapo SCART adapter, because SCART actually carries in its pinout S-Video and Composite, so no need for the transcoder later mentioned.
Edit: the adapter I mentioned is the one shown at 3:43
OSSC won’t take the signals though - it only supports component and RGB over SCART
@@emily-young Didn't know about it, just told it because I always do that on my CRTs here, thanks for correcting me!
Got mine this week. The best line multiplier for PS2 on the market at the moment. :)
I love these retro videos with the homie.
Wow, that Trinitron wire through the middle of the aperture grille is flashing me back all the way to my childhood.
I grew up so young during this time that this stuff is pretty much new to me, it’s awesome seeing these retro videos
Got the RetroTINK 2x Pro when my TV died under warranty and the replacement didn’t have composite input. The GameCube and N64 live on, and in better quality 👍🏻
man watching this video just makes me feel content about keeping my old CRT chungus. I'm never throwing away that bad boy. I love it!
I play on RetroTINK 5X Pro for a week. After OSSC it's a blast! Love it, how simple and effective it is. Last firmware add new smooth filter which is Godtier.
This is pretty cool Anthony! Thanks for sharing sir!!!
I've learned so much with this video alone. Thanks Anthony
Love this LMG approach to the review. Would like to see a review of the MiSTer, please.
I think my favorite feature outside of the excellent deinterlacing is the non-integer scaling. I finally have a use for my 540p Sony XBR that has otherwise just kinda sat around.
Also: update the firmware if you buy one, folks. If he had just unboxed that for the first time, he didn't have the current feature set
Thank you Anthony, this video was SUPER cool, I'm not much of a retro gamer (just a bit before my time for a lot of this stuff) but it is super cool to see how you can still use this stuff after all this time. Now one question I have is there a video out there (maybe a future LTT video) where we could actually see a side by side of these consoles plugged into a modern moniter with something like the retrotink or OSSC and then plugged into an actual CRT (or appropriate monitor) and see just how close you can get them to look like they used to?
More retro stuff please Anthony!
I own an OSSC, and I agree with much of the points. I only have two retro consoles and had enough patience/time to do the setup, but having the plug-and-play experience via that RetroTINK would appeal so much to one facet of old video game systems to be plug-and-play also. I'd want a 5X Pro too someday.
I love how Anthony goes full in-depth for ShortCircuit, while the others use their excuse "this is only an unboxing channel" to avoid doing as much work.
Loved my OSSC, and used it regularly for a few years, and was lucky my TCL 4k TV actually supported it's max 1200p output. Could never get a scanline mode dialed in that looked really good, and the res switching dropout was always an issue, even with PS1 games like Chrono Cross. Even with FBX's excellent profiles, you may still need to tweak settings for your console. Did not regret selling it to pick up a RT5X.
Anthony's retro excursions are my favorites next to My Life In Gaming! Can we get a crossover episode?
I love how I discover gadgets or hobbies here that I had no idea existed.
LOL I love how he talked about the other model being very nerdy and complicated, then continues to get me completely lost in 50 different video mode options for this "simple" device.
well I mean it's pretty simple. It just has different timings for different consoles. Only thing you need to do is hook up the console, and select the correct console in the menu. If you compare that to having to do your own research on the console timings and scaling. Choosing from a menu is nothing.
Although doing it yourself doesn't seem that bad to me personally. At least you learn something i guess.
Nice exploration!
Albeit, it is with more than a little consternation that while I worked at The Museum of Art and Digital Entertainment in Oakland, we did have some Sony PVMs and even a Mitsubishi MegaView Pro as RGB multi-sync capable display monitors, but we had a decided absence of decent RGB(HV) cables for the consoles in our collection.
Many of the older consoles support RGB(HV) outputs natively (e.g. PCエンジン via its EXTBUS, Dreamcast via the official [and less official] VGA box, and PS2 via the VGA adapter which came with the PS2 hobbyist targeted Linux devkit Sony offered. As just a few examples out of ones which I previously owned, though never donated to the museum, some of them were donated to other collectors or remained in my possession), others may require a bit of modification to get RGB(HV) output, and custom cables with such things was the norm.
I found it more than disappointing that despite working with the museum, and other volunteers also having expressed interest in improving the available video quality we could provide to our patrons, that the budget and funding for such things never seemed to materialize nor trickle down. Same goes for OSSC donations or utilization. I guess it should come as little to no surprise that while themade.org closed its doors to the public in March of 2020 with shelter-in-place regulations (who knew, video game museums were not considered an essential business? -_-) and put its collection into storage circa September, there was really not much in the way of donations or assistance provided, despite requests.
I certainly saw some more recent video game museums, e.g. in her majesty's UK, which seemed to be hitting or even exceeding their donation goals effortlessly, so whoever has better PR teams and online community building seems to win the war of money raising. Meanwhile, older more established entities seem to be largely ignored or forgotten. Oakland, CA also got injected with all sorts of funding for an Esports Arena, but despite hosting SSB tournaments at The MADE and doing all sorts of community outreach, offering free programming classes, working with youth internship programs, and other underserved communities, the 501c3 nonprofit couldn't keep up with other vested monied interests. I swear it felt as if on some of the rare occasions when we did get visited by employees of game companies, it was almost as if we were being scoped out as a piracy lair, despite having had a Library of Congress granted DMCA exemption, and many ongoing efforts in preservation which are publicly documented and shared, not the least of which was having helped to get the first MMO (Habitat) running again as NeoHabitat (neohabitat.org).
Anyway, sorry for that tangent. I will say, decent RGB upscalers are not exactly new. I previously owned a Micomsoft XRGB2+ and XRGB3, but they seemed to offer a lot less versatility than today's offerings, and even higher asking prices as imports to North America. Albeit, some of those models utilized JP21 (which is the same connector as EuroSCART, but a different pinout) and even D Terminal (which was offered as an official cable accessory for the Gamecube in Japan). It almost pains me to think how much I invested over the decades in my personal collection, only to see collections made available publicly, offer so much less. C'est la vie!
Funny thing about working for a video game museum for a few years: it kind of destroys any and all desires to play video games, and the already mercenary industrial complex tinged gaming industry, and its target demographic, start to seem substantially more evil and a lot less willing to learn the technical nitty gritty of something as basic as a decent cable wiring configuration to a CRT, let alone low level programming. Despite that, videos such as this seem pretty decent! Good job Anthony!
Certainly, the depths of video signal processing are a lot more than can be summarized in an 18 minute video, too.
At least personally, I think it is pretty impressive that the market still sees a reason, and apparently paying customers, to continue manufacturing devices to enhance classic console experiences, not just the OSSC and RetroTINK-5X Pro either. To wit, TerraOnion's Super SD System 3 has RGB output, the うーぱーぐらふぃくす / UperGrafx offers DVI output, and most recently the TerraOnion Super SD System 3 Pro now provides HDMI output, all of which should theoretically function A-OK on the 1987 released PCエンジン「engine」 via attaching to the EXTBUS. I've even tested at least one of those models on the PCエンジンエルティ「engine LT」!
Alas, my life is no where near fun and games these days, and I have a lot of real world challenges causing daily distractions and strife. Maybe I will get past my burn out and be able to enjoy stuff such as this again eventually, but I won't be holding my breath.
This really needs a TL;DR
Thank you Anthony! I'm getting this for my PS1 ❤
Thank you for the "retro time" start Anthony. With rapid "retro time" back to back playbacks, successfully annoyed my wife with this one 👍🏿
When I first heard "Do you wanna talk about war crimes?" I thought it was the sponsor segue
"this episode is brought to you by Rimworld"
All I wanted was a HDMI to HDMI device with those "shaders" options. Lots of indies games or a retropie device would look amazing with those
Oh no, I was hoping to get an order on one of these before a big tech channel caused another run on them! Great to see the love for finding ways to enjoy our old tech though!
Never cared about retro gaming until my guy started doing these videos great content
'Mom, can I have mario?'
'No, we have mario at home.'
Mario at home: 16:00
Actually made me laugh! Good work sir.
It really was like that though. I knew a few kids whose parents refused to get a dedicated gaming machine. But the Commodore, Amiga, etc were technically computers so yeah. They got made fun of, but they got the last laugh when suddenly in the early/mid 90s computer gaming went full 3D long before consoles.
Welfare Mario!
I got one of these and oh my it really is amazing. I tried GameCube to carby to portta to retrotink5x and it’s so crisp my eye balls starting bleeding.
Edit: would be great if you could do a update video on the news firmware and experimental features. I really like your chill and paced presentation style.
Ahh Shining Force II.. now that takes me back
Looking forward to the OSSC pro review once it's out!
The second coaxial cable image shown was a BNC connector and is most often used with RGB or component video signals.
Love new fancy pc parts but still love my old hardware. Anthony bringing the old school for us. 👍
Did not understand a word of it, but loved it because Anthony.
Pro tip, SCART got proper RGB pins, it's the cleanest signal, looking for that cable or hardware mod is well worth the trouble.
Anthony's voice calms the demons in my head.
Think 5x is the one for me. I'm an engineer who mainly focuses in the video encoding domain for a living (modern stuff, video drivers & cameras, not old interlaced & analog stuff like this), the idea of trying to sit down & relax at the end of the day to play my N64 but having to fine tune all of those parameters, and trying to nail the right profile for my console & TV? That sounds like hell for me. At the end of the day I'm so sick & tired of hearing anything video related. Everything "just working" sounds much better. Think it's worth the extra coin for sure if you just want to sit down & play.
Anthony, will you do a video about GBS-Control? Also, you should have messed with the comb/notch filters. RetroTink always has the best composite video processing if you tweak those. It’s still not RGB of course, but everyone has composite output, so it doesn’t require new cables.
You get the thumbs up for that nice C64C alone!
Anthony is by far my favorite LMG member
Oh, Anthony it's been far to long. Reto for life!!!
I have one! It's awesome! It was expensive and hard to order!
I hope Linus creates a Tech Gaming channel for videos like this every week.
Gotta say, I like the iFixit slot here. It really feels transparent. I mean, it has "good for us, and good for you" vibes, which I dig. I'm always good for pro-business/pro-consumer combo. Everyone feels more positive that way, I think. :D
Anthony, our "David Attenborough" of retro gaming and devices!
Anthony and retro u know its going to be a good video
Anthony is also nailing the segways to the sponsors! :D
4:00 my compilations will have never looked so dank
I'm still rockin' my Micomsoft Framemeister XRGB-Mini from back in the day!
"IT'S RETRO TIME!!" ,Anthony said calmly
Anthony has blessed us again
I'm kinda going the Analogue route but it's very convenient for using multiple consoles.
The Sinden support is nice!
The most soothing voice
True
This retrotink thing is the mature version of the OSSC, which is totally cool, but retrotink wins by a million miles imo. Stoked.
So, when does Anthony get his own podcast? His voice is so relaxing and he can explain so good. Please make it happen!
Good thing i have a bunch of old computers i could play classic games on and not have to worry about mix matching new and old tech. Great job Anthony with the review. Linus would of cracked that thing open and probably broken it somehow.
Love all the little buns everywhere on the device
I also loved the branding
"..would be great for a gamecube with a game boy player." I have both of those sitting about 5 feet from me in a shelf. So oooh tempting.
can't wait to dig into this one.
I love these nerd-out videos.
I would love to see some coverage of HD Retrovision. I've always wondered how good it really is and how easy it is.
*Anthony - hosts ShortCircuit*
ShortCircuit : look at me, I’m LTT now
I am here to find the best fit specifically for my Dreamcast and Commodore 64. I use Framemeister which is almost perfect but the only thing that really annoys me is the time duration to capture the signal. It takes a few seconds when I boot my C64. For Dreamcast, it's even worse when resolution changes (also for specific games like Gunlord or Xenocider it often losts the signal when switching from the intro, or displays in black & white). I am missing old good analog times when display was just always there, without even slight delays. Thanks for the video and covering C64, that's awesome! I will dive in more into frame lock / sync options, but not sure if I can find anything perfect in that matter. At least, for RetroTINK it looked like this timing was way shorter, but still, I need something perfect for my beloved Commodore 64.
Now that's how you do a smooth sponsor segue. Linus should make notes :p
One thing you forgot to mention: Mike Chi from RetroTink is constantly releasing firmware updates with new features.
Also, I recommend the entry-level 2X-Mini for anyone looking for simple (but less crispy) plug and play retrogaming, especially for the N64 and even older consoles.