@@James_Dawes i really loved when the pirate said " Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?" And joker appears saying society. That was a Happy surprise
I like owen wilson in this. I haven't seen him in a couple of years. In this he is silly enough to be entertaining and restrained enough to seem elusive.
It's also been long enough that he disappears into the role more than he might have when he was younger and we all knew his face. Or it's just the mustache, who knows
I think the sacred timeline is the MCU as we knew it and with the sacred timeline destroyed, we can now have a multiverse. It would explain why no one crossed universes before
But Doc Strange visited the dark dimension and how about the comic verse. The movies all have a multiverse number in the comics. Maybe these timekeepers just want to simplify the timeline but the multiverse still exists.
I think there already are other universes, I mean we know there are, all the other movies and comics and cartoons and video games are in their own universes within the multiverse. But the TVA's job is to prevent the creation of new ones through the branching of timelines
time doesnt have a beginning or end. it's and endless loop. if multiverses caused by time travel will be possible later, they also mustve been possible before.
I loved that Loki's idea of candy is nuts and grapes. I love the gaps of knowledge that Asgard has. They can wrap their mind around GUIs and complex control surfaces, but not email.
That's why racoons aren't going through their trash - no candy. So Thor calls Rocket a rabbit because it turns out that racoons are exclusive to the Americas (like turkeys, cocoa and tobacco) and his visits to Midgard in the distant past didn't include the new world...
I really like the idea that Steve Rogers became a time police officer at the TVA as a compesation to fix up his bullshit and so he could rest in the past with Peggy
They can't use range weapons because if they miss, whatever they hit will be deleted from the timeline. They don't want to be changing things more than what was already changed.
I think it is not female Loki and it is Enchantress because Loki specifically says his powers in this episode and body swapping is not one of them. As the boys say she doesn’t want to be called Loki. When Loki is being thrown around he says ‘I would never treat myself like this’. Also her magic just looks exactly like Scarlet Witch’s and Agatha’s. Just thoughts though...
I do like the idea that different Loki variants have different skillsets from one another, so they are also not alike beyond their appearences. Our Loki would have to overcome that despite claiming to know everything about being a Loki
@@rhetiq9989 that’s something I did consider and tbh I don’t know much about Lady Loki, I don’t think I’ve read any of her comics, but the power set is so similar to Enchantress and she is from Asgard and I think even is a paramour of Loki at some point, it just fits. Also it would be a nice twist. Also, if you look at her, she just looks like Enchantress. I know that’s not a be all and end all in the MCU (see Drax) but still.
@@D3monB4dger8 It's probably the Sylvie Lushton version of Enchantress so that they can save Amora for the movies, because Sylvie is more connected to Loki whilst Amora is more connected to Thor.
@@marvelfantasy472 well you know more than I do about Enchantress lol. I just know that she’s a wizard from Asgard and I think that she’s impersonating Loki in this show so I will take your word for it. Do you think it’s Enchantress too or just Lady Loki?
That pen is the same pen that John Krasinski uses to sign the document that approves their scientific space mission that will fuck them up and make them Fant4stic
I still can't believe that of all the reviews I've seen of this episode, no one else seemed to recognise it. I always thought the yellow jersey was pretty recognisable.
The TVA wear brown and they are always snooping around the timeline.... One of the characters in Charlie Brown and Snoopy is called pig - pen. Which means... Maso is the pig rolling down a hill avenger confirmed
So may be a little obvious, but Agent Mobius is clearly the variant from the video introduction. The hair is a perfect match, and while all the cartoon variants have something like a bow tie, Mobius’s Mustache is clearly his hidden Bow tie.
I'm pretty sure it is Enchantress. She didn't like being called Loki, Loki was impressed with her Enchanting people (which he could only do with the pokey stick) and after her reveal she said "it's not about you". 'you' being the titular Loki.
I think the branching timelines are likely the actual 'natural' order of things. The Time Keepers might be using the TVA to prune off the branches they need to finish their 'Sacred Timeline', which could/would circumvent freewill (which Loki actually brings up in this episode). Variants aren't a bug, they're a feature.
@@hafizsham1942 That's because it's still branching/being made maybe? Honestly I think this is just all an analogy about the fandom of Marvel/MCU really. The 'Sacred Timeline' is 'canon' like how fans/companies (The Time Keepers) see their favorite characters or properties (the timeline).
@@Albrett It is ‘canon’ but it kinda isn’t. It’s just a look at alternative realities hosted by the watchers, I don’t think it anything to do with Loki
Alchemax would be a fantastic inclusion to the show, maybe even a cameo of the really messed up version of Thor 2099, who was an Alchemax or rival company employee who was given powers and future tech hammer, and brainwashed into thinking he’s Thor reborn after the Ragnaroc cycle who was created to control the 2099 religion called Thorites, who are offshoots of Norse religion that worship Thor from his days as an Avenger.
My theory is, past the red line, are other timelines that still exist. Because they have to, right? Otherwise a lot of other things technically can't exist? Or I guess they could because a movie universe isn't the same as a multiverse and the multiverse isn't a real thing that exists, but whatever. Either way, that's my theory is the time keepers are controlling this timeline and don't want anything touching that red line because then that timeline might find out about other timelines. And they're not actually interested in saving this timeline, but just controlling it to, perhaps, some particular end.
you’re thinking of the red line as something like a measure of distance - like if you keep moving towards it and cross it you’re at a new location where there may be other timelines - i don’t think that’s quite right. that graph seems to show divergence. a nexus event sets off a cascade of butterfly effects, making events more and more different from what they’re supposed to be until they snowball out of control and split off into a parallel continuum. it’s more like a family tree than a map. it’s not so much that there’s nothing “outside” the one set of branching nodes as that the diagram and its red line aren’t meaningful beyond it.
Well that would make sense. After all, doctor strange looke at thousands of othdr timelines and found 1 where they completely win, in order for him to not just see the one possibility there must have been others right?
@@jacobhargiss3839, i think Strange was doing something like what the Time-keepers are up to as they “untangle the epilogue from its infinite branches” - i.e., looking at different **possible** futures to decide which one to try to actualize, rather than hopping from one timeline to another and interacting with doppelgängers, etc.. alternate explanation: we already know the Time-keepers permit some closed-loop branching, like the Avengers borrowing and returning the Infinity Stones, so maybe the 14,000,000 alternate realities that Strange visited and pruned by acting out the one where Thanos is defeated were all “supposed to happen” that way.
What kinda confuses me tho is that if the reset device does not destroy a messed up timeline how would they solve the problem of Loki going missing in the 2012 timeline? Like using a reset device there would be pointless and the only way to fix it would be to return Loki right? Idk kinda confusing shit here lmao
wait, didn't they confirm that's exactly what it was? When Loki was entering the tent in the renaissance dress-up party he says it's basically total annihilation for everything in the branched timeline, right?
That's exactly what their devices do. But I think divergent timelines only exist in the radius of the nexus point for a short time. Until they grow enough to become a stable timeline. Which is why they have a "red line" until they can no longer "prune" the affected branch.
@@nickgriffin661 oh god you just reminded me of every hurricane event i experienced when i was a kid. No milk, no bread, everyone going to the church basements. EVERY FUCKING TIME
Agents of SHIELD did go to the future, but in the same way as Dr Strange. They saw a possible future and when they went back to their time they made sure that future doesn't happen. And there's a line in Loki ep2 about the Timekeepers still figuring out which future to go with, it's still consistent with Dr Strange and AoS. There's multiple possible futures until one is decided.
So many theories from this episode, the TVA employees were people who in the sacred timeline went missing/died alone and were put in the TVA as it wouldn't effect the timeline. Also pretty sure it's going to be revealed that time keepers are Loki variants... They wear green and gold robes 🧐 and the show keeps reminding us Loki has blue skin sometimes.
Even though they explained it away in the first episode, it definitely *feels* like Steve should get arrested for all the stuff he's done, and I personally would like to see him face justice for his crimes
I saw someone comment that the sacred timeline being destroyed is going to lead into the multiverse which will explain how there were characters we never seen before. If this is true, Kevin Feige and the writing team are so incredibly smart to incorporate a time table that Disney would be able to eventually acquire characters, to their overall plot. It’s like as if years ago they guessed Marvel/Disney would be able to get the rights back to these characters, this is how long it’s gonna take, and this is how we’re gonna bring it together when we get there.
Theory: the TVA has a 70s style because that decade was the first time-travel they picked up occuring on earth. The TVA agents may look different in other parts of the complex that deal with other civilizations, but this building is for earth. They chose human forms for their workforce because they're made in the image of the life forms that time travel.
But they also record time on different realms/planets? It was shown in both episodes. From Asgard to Titan to even Vormhir. oh wait want another example? Okay. Xandar, home of the Nova Corps.
I think that at the end of the serie Loki will destroy the sacred timeline. That is why Kang begins to rise with his ultimate goal to return back to one timeline, with him as the ultimate leader/timekeeper. As a big fan of this one timeline thing Ravonna Renslayer will join him and eventually fall in love with him.
The second Enchantress is the young Sylvie Lushton, who was given great mystic powers by Loki when he created her as a tool for chaos. She models herself after the original Enchantress, Amora.
I would not be suprised if Lady Loki is basically Agent of Asgard Loki and she is trying to restore the freewill in the universe by recreating or reconnectiong the sacred timeline to the rest of the multiverse. She also has the small horns head piece as the AoA Loki.
What if the TVA went to arrest Steve Rogers, and Steve fought them off. And they just let him be. Or they got him to do an impossible job hoping for him to die but he did it successfully and then they left him alone
i believe that second part is more likely. he probably pleaded to be able to live with peggy where they offered him a chance to do that by perhaps fixing another timeline problem
Does The Ancient One know about the time keepers? We learned about timelines splitting from her during Endgame. If she understands that then she must know of the TVA and then in turn the time keepers.
This is one of Owen Wilson's best performances. He outshines Loki IMHO. Too bad the minor actors aren't better, which is a theme with these Marvel/Star Wars TV shows
My pet theory; the Time Keepers will accidentally get merged into one person, maybe by collapsing multiple timelines into one again, and this one person becomes Kang. I feel that their individual designs combined would look kinda... Kang-y.
That’s a great theory! Especially if they’re set on the elimination of chaos in the timeline, since I think obsessive maintenance of the timeline is a Kang trait
Kang is already multiple persons in one (not really, just the same Kang from different points in his life) to the point he created the Council of Kangs. So there is no need for the Time Keepers to merge. They can already be 3 different Kangs from 3 different timelines. In any case, these entities seem to be A LOT stronger than Kang, anyway.
@@92brunod To be honest, in ep 1 I thought that the TVA was secretly run by Kang, who had manipulated time in such a way that suited him best and he is now fiercely protecting his preferred timeline. I do like how the vertically chopped up statues of the time keeper faces we see in the background resemble the lines on Kang’s mask.
The fight scene in the beginning with "Holding Out for a Hero" was underwhelming. I thought the fight scene would be dope.. Eh The meme was better But the rest of the episode was epic. Loved it
Me too. I wonder if they licensed it because they had a plan for a long fight scene where she keeps switching bodies and ended up cutting it down for some reason
The Kid From Brooklyn… First thing I thought of when I saw FDR was the pen Tony showed Steve when offering an olive branch in Civil War and FDR High being in Brooklyn.
Yeah, but the one in Brooklyn stands for "Federeal Drug Reserve" as far as the natives are concerned...along with a less PC name that I wont leave here lol
I studied Pompeii just under two years ago in year 12 and the teacher discussed the movie Pompeii with Kit Harrington so I know the movie you’re talking about James 👍🏼
Rampant Speculation: Mobius was speaking about himself when he mentioned wanting to try something new. He wants Loki to destroy the sacred timeline so he can zip around the multiverse on a time-hopping jet ski.
Here’s the thing with the endgame timey wimey stuff, is that we already know that the tva doesn’t go after the avengers because that’s what they were supposed to do. So captain America staying in the 50s doesn’t mess with the time line because capsicle is still frozen so he still arrives young in 2011(?).
One thing I thought was weird was how is a hurricane in alabama a class 10 apocalypse but the destruction of asgard by a 2000ft tall demon only a class 7? Also where are the avengers in all these future apocalypse? They couldn't save like 100 people at a costco?
You’re point about the Avengers raised a question for me watching this : Why do they have climate problems at all ? This universe is light years ahead of us technologically and Avengers (2012) kind of implied that Tony was working on sharing the Arc Reactor technology to create renewable energy. I know they’re trying to make a statement about OUR future but it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the MCU’s future. Obviously, it’s not impossible for the MCU Earth to be like ours in regards to their fight against climate change but this universe has so many incredible people I find it hard to believe Tony or some other super genius wouldn’t have already figured out contingency plans for this.
When Cap fought himself, the 2012 cap assumed he was fighting Loki. After recovering from the fight and the scepter having rendered him unconscious, he could have just assumed the "Bucky is alive" phrase to have been another trick by the God of Lies to throw him off and gain the upper hand in the melee. This is similar to Loki doomsaying in the middle of Pompeii. A nexus event does not happen simply by changing an event in the timeline, the change has to be big enough to cause other decisions to vary thus leading to multiple deviations from the norm. If Cap didn't believe "Loki", no damage was done, it's just as the people of Pompeii who could do nothing with the warnings of Loki since their fate was sealed anyway.
Praise to these boys for never making 7 minute videos with 27 ads, getting so burnt on the new 8-9 minute video with an ad at the beginning middle and end. The planet left/is leaving cable behind for a reason.
Heres an idea for a Caravan of Garbage....Do the film "The One" with Jet Li....multiverses...different versions of main character....and even a MVA Multiverse Authority Jason Statham...Directed by James Wong perfect for C.O.G.
The variant "Loki" at the end was a blonde. All the variant Loki's in holograms had the signature black hair. Maybe the master she reluctantly(?) serves is an ultimate evil Loki variant with his mischievousness turned up to 11. She wears the Loki headgear with a broken horn. Maybe the TVA and Loki variant destroyed something of hers she held dear in the past/future, but it hasn't happened yet for the current TVA and Loki, and she's out for revenge, wanting to kill every Loki out there, expose/destroy the TVA, while incriminating current Loki by wearing a different Loki's crown... I dunno...
I think around mid episode 4 this storyline with Lady Loki is resolved (it has already progressed heavily in the first two episodes). Then the show will turn on its head and dive into some sort of dilemma with the TimeKeepers themselves.
I was watching an old Hiddleston clip on Graham Norton, and I was stunned to hear him relate a story about a moment when he met Owen Wilson on the set of "Midnight in Paris." Apparently, Hiddleston had no idea he was in a time travel movie until he saw Wilson and asked him what was up with his costume. Hiddleston was dressed for the 1920s and Wilson for the 2000s.
Hmm, I think “it’s a super weird coincidence” and “it’s just a reference to our show” is exactly what someone who is definitely putting Mephisto in the show would say. #MephistoConfirmed
When you mentioned Peggy Carter and Hank Pym it suddenly made me realise something...they were both together in that camp when Tony stark and Steve Rogers went back in time to get the pym particles...and they both looked a similar age. So why in "present day" is Carter a withered old lady on her death bed losing her marbles and pym is a pretty spritely geezer still young enough to get involved in missions and travel through the quantum realm? Am I missing something?
I think Ravanna is going to turn out to be a villain. I have no evidence for this, I just want a record in case I turn out to be right. EDIT: hey guess what
Loki's plan is to subvert the TVA enough to save his mother. Go back and watch the end of ep 1. Watch Loki's reaction to being shown the results of his actions. He tingles with the possibility of saving her from the death that he inflicted.
The jetski magazine is interesting because if you zoom in at 2:38 you can see the first sentence is, "For the adventurous there's a whole new world to discover." Which seems like a metaphor for possible new timelines. And also the middle sentence that says, "This is the [not sure what this word is] you've been looking for. The one and only. Buy original. Insist on quality." I just feel like that whole article is kind of a metaphor for which Loki's superiority complex regarding power/performance/quality etc. Marvel really does think of everything.
One thing that intrigues me is that the TVA is seemingly this all powerful, very important organization. And yet, they still use type writers, paper files and rotary phones. It’s so interesting that they don’t use very advanced technology for the critical work they do.
Something funny I find is that when Loki mentions pushing Hulk off the bridge essentially leading to his death supposedly is that he assumes Hulk died in the explosion. But if he did that he would inadvertently cause a cascade of events, cause Bruce is the one who essentially sets the motions of IW. Kinda interesting.
Dude when the variant Loki decloaked themselves to reveal John Krazinski in a fantastic four outfit was the best part in this episode
My personal favourite part was when everyone was revealed to be a skrull
I agree! It was even better than the part when Mobius turned to the camera and said that he was Mephisto all along!
It was a shock but nighmare becoming a variant as Mephistopheles is a time keeper and miss minute getting killed by John krazinski was gold 10/11
Masphiosto
My favourite part was when hulk loki came along and started pummelling professor hulk
I predict this series will end with Mobius on a jet ski saying “Wow”. Calling it now
*Katchow
It'll cut just as he starts saying it.
nahh now we NEED this
legit
if we don’t get one wow i shall kidnap kevin feige and owen wilson and force them to make reshoots before murdering the both of them and then myself.
Loki is gonna find his passion, it's also a jetski. Him and Mobius are gonna ride off into the sunset together.
While Pompeii by Bastille plays in the background
The power of friendship prevails once again
@@rhetiq9989 maybe the real treasure was the Jetskis we found along the way.
And then they kiss
Loki S2 basically becomes The Fast and the Furious but on jetskis
Maybe it can be called "The Past and the Future(ous)" hahah
When John krazinski appeared at the TVA and said “what are we some kind of lady mephisto” I choked on my spray cheese
I was surprised when batman came to save the day, but it was a pleasant one
@@James_Dawes i really loved when the pirate said " Who lives in a pineapple under the sea?" And joker appears saying society. That was a Happy surprise
It's not important but "Athlete Loki" is a version of Loki that has won the Tour de France.
So like Lance Armstrong he is a liar.
@@MC-yt1uv He even had Lance's outfit.
Lance Armstrong...one of the biggeest cycling tricksters of all time...alike Loki =)
How can you possibly say that this is not important?
Won the Thor de France...he he
I like owen wilson in this. I haven't seen him in a couple of years. In this he is silly enough to be entertaining and restrained enough to seem elusive.
that was very well put. i agree with everything you said
It's also been long enough that he disappears into the role more than he might have when he was younger and we all knew his face. Or it's just the mustache, who knows
Yes, he has just enough of both to keep up with loki, while still being the straight man of the duo.
He's killing it, always good to see
He’s really a great actor. Just got a little type cast for a while but this role will definitely help him get back into different roles
I think the sacred timeline is the MCU as we knew it and with the sacred timeline destroyed, we can now have a multiverse. It would explain why no one crossed universes before
But Doc Strange visited the dark dimension and how about the comic verse. The movies all have a multiverse number in the comics. Maybe these timekeepers just want to simplify the timeline but the multiverse still exists.
I think there already are other universes, I mean we know there are, all the other movies and comics and cartoons and video games are in their own universes within the multiverse. But the TVA's job is to prevent the creation of new ones through the branching of timelines
time doesnt have a beginning or end. it's and endless loop. if multiverses caused by time travel will be possible later, they also mustve been possible before.
Sacred timeline isn’t destroyed. The bombing created more variations of it. The multiverse isn’t born, it has been a thing for a while.
That’s right
A fun little thing you didnt mention was that on the files regarding Ragnorok, it said something like Codename: Revengers lol
That's what they called themselves in Ragnarok. (Loki, Thor, Bruce, Valk team name)
Awesome
@@spraragen88 Because they all wanted Revenge, it's a very good name for a team.
@@Mayydayy86 thought hulk was still undecided?
I think its time to disband the revengers.
I loved that Loki's idea of candy is nuts and grapes. I love the gaps of knowledge that Asgard has. They can wrap their mind around GUIs and complex control surfaces, but not email.
It also explains why everyone in Asgard is so jacked all the time
That's why racoons aren't going through their trash - no candy. So Thor calls Rocket a rabbit because it turns out that racoons are exclusive to the Americas (like turkeys, cocoa and tobacco) and his visits to Midgard in the distant past didn't include the new world...
Now I’m curious what Loki’s reaction will be if he tries some
I really like the idea that Steve Rogers became a time police officer at the TVA as a compesation to fix up his bullshit and so he could rest in the past with Peggy
Yahhh. Im ok with this cannon now.
They can't use range weapons because if they miss, whatever they hit will be deleted from the timeline. They don't want to be changing things more than what was already changed.
They should hire Hawkeye.
Not even that, have stun laser guns and then bop them with the time eraser sticks
It doesn't matter, because they always erase the entire timeline anyway, i guess they never had much problems before
give them stun guns
Give this guy a Marvel No-Prize! Love that explanation.
I bet the big cameo of the season will be when Owen Wilson finally says "Wow!"
now you just hyped me up
That would be better cameo payoff than ones in the two previous Marvel shows
I would be legitimately happy with this
I think it is not female Loki and it is Enchantress because Loki specifically says his powers in this episode and body swapping is not one of them. As the boys say she doesn’t want to be called Loki. When Loki is being thrown around he says ‘I would never treat myself like this’. Also her magic just looks exactly like Scarlet Witch’s and Agatha’s. Just thoughts though...
Oh shiiit
I do like the idea that different Loki variants have different skillsets from one another, so they are also not alike beyond their appearences. Our Loki would have to overcome that despite claiming to know everything about being a Loki
@@rhetiq9989 that’s something I did consider and tbh I don’t know much about Lady Loki, I don’t think I’ve read any of her comics, but the power set is so similar to Enchantress and she is from Asgard and I think even is a paramour of Loki at some point, it just fits. Also it would be a nice twist. Also, if you look at her, she just looks like Enchantress. I know that’s not a be all and end all in the MCU (see Drax) but still.
@@D3monB4dger8 It's probably the Sylvie Lushton version of Enchantress so that they can save Amora for the movies, because Sylvie is more connected to Loki whilst Amora is more connected to Thor.
@@marvelfantasy472 well you know more than I do about Enchantress lol. I just know that she’s a wizard from Asgard and I think that she’s impersonating Loki in this show so I will take your word for it. Do you think it’s Enchantress too or just Lady Loki?
That pen is the same pen that John Krasinski uses to sign the document that approves their scientific space mission that will fuck them up and make them Fant4stic
*Fantfourstic
@@hegmonster N o
At 3:26 Loki as an athlete - he's dressed in the yellow jersey for the winner of the Tour de France so probably a dig at Lance Armstrong.
And as we know from the Superfast Caravan of Garbage, Lance Armstrong's urine can substitute for some sweet early 2000s NOS
I still can't believe that of all the reviews I've seen of this episode, no one else seemed to recognise it. I always thought the yellow jersey was pretty recognisable.
Dennis the Menace taught me that the leader/winner wears yellow.
What dig. Yellow is what the winners wear.
The TVA wear brown and they are always snooping around the timeline....
One of the characters in Charlie Brown and Snoopy is called pig - pen. Which means...
Maso is the pig rolling down a hill avenger confirmed
Played by Ben stiller
By god, you've cracked the secret!
Flawless logic. Genius
still the greatest podcast moment of all timelines
@@aenguswilliams5979 I heard it today and I bloody died hahaha
So may be a little obvious, but Agent Mobius is clearly the variant from the video introduction. The hair is a perfect match, and while all the cartoon variants have something like a bow tie, Mobius’s Mustache is clearly his hidden Bow tie.
I'm pretty sure it is Enchantress. She didn't like being called Loki, Loki was impressed with her Enchanting people (which he could only do with the pokey stick) and after her reveal she said "it's not about you". 'you' being the titular Loki.
There was also the moment when Loki said, "I'd never treat me like this".
That’s what I thought too but they might be merging the two into one character. Like Enchantress is Lady Loki in the MCU
id imagine its like, a version of Loki who ditched the Loki name
@@MTG_Scribe that too. I knew I'd had another point I'd forgotten
I'd love it to be enchantress, I thought it was her instead of Hela in Ragnarok in the original trailer
I think the branching timelines are likely the actual 'natural' order of things. The Time Keepers might be using the TVA to prune off the branches they need to finish their 'Sacred Timeline', which could/would circumvent freewill (which Loki actually brings up in this episode). Variants aren't a bug, they're a feature.
There is still freewill in the Sacred Timeline
@@hafizsham1942 That's because it's still branching/being made maybe? Honestly I think this is just all an analogy about the fandom of Marvel/MCU really. The 'Sacred Timeline' is 'canon' like how fans/companies (The Time Keepers) see their favorite characters or properties (the timeline).
I am absolutely convinced the Multiverse War, Scared Timeline, and a bunch of TVA stuff is just one giant meta joke
Same
I mean the weapons they use are a version of their comic weapons which are called Retroactive Canons, or “Ret-Con” for short so I mean.... meta.
Do you think that due to the branching timelines and shenanigans of this series, that the “What-if” show will be tied directly to this?
I could be wrong but I'm sure I saw somewhere that 'what if' has nothing to do with mcu at all
It’s basically going to be non canon I guess
@@Albrett It is ‘canon’ but it kinda isn’t. It’s just a look at alternative realities hosted by the watchers, I don’t think it anything to do with Loki
No bad idea limits possibilities
I hope so
Man I can't believe the Loki variant they've been chasing is played by John Krasinski! There goes our hopes for him as Mr. Fantastic...
I wouldn't be shocked if we got a glimpse of the 2099 MCU during a future show...
Exactly what I was thinking. And Roxxon being present was def a nod to that I think.
Alchemax would be a fantastic inclusion to the show, maybe even a cameo of the really messed up version of Thor 2099, who was an Alchemax or rival company employee who was given powers and future tech hammer, and brainwashed into thinking he’s Thor reborn after the Ragnaroc cycle who was created to control the 2099 religion called Thorites, who are offshoots of Norse religion that worship Thor from his days as an Avenger.
@@Popcultureguy3000 agreed
@@Popcultureguy3000
I can dig it!!! I'd be happy with them throwing in a few nods to the 2099 Marvel Universe, like character cameos and such...
My theory is, past the red line, are other timelines that still exist. Because they have to, right? Otherwise a lot of other things technically can't exist? Or I guess they could because a movie universe isn't the same as a multiverse and the multiverse isn't a real thing that exists, but whatever. Either way, that's my theory is the time keepers are controlling this timeline and don't want anything touching that red line because then that timeline might find out about other timelines. And they're not actually interested in saving this timeline, but just controlling it to, perhaps, some particular end.
you’re thinking of the red line as something like a measure of distance - like if you keep moving towards it and cross it you’re at a new location where there may be other timelines - i don’t think that’s quite right. that graph seems to show divergence. a nexus event sets off a cascade of butterfly effects, making events more and more different from what they’re supposed to be until they snowball out of control and split off into a parallel continuum.
it’s more like a family tree than a map. it’s not so much that there’s nothing “outside” the one set of branching nodes as that the diagram and its red line aren’t meaningful beyond it.
Well that would make sense. After all, doctor strange looke at thousands of othdr timelines and found 1 where they completely win, in order for him to not just see the one possibility there must have been others right?
@@jacobhargiss3839, i think Strange was doing something like what the Time-keepers are up to as they “untangle the epilogue from its infinite branches” - i.e., looking at different **possible** futures to decide which one to try to actualize, rather than hopping from one timeline to another and interacting with doppelgängers, etc..
alternate explanation: we already know the Time-keepers permit some closed-loop branching, like the Avengers borrowing and returning the Infinity Stones, so maybe the 14,000,000 alternate realities that Strange visited and pruned by acting out the one where Thanos is defeated were all “supposed to happen” that way.
@@doctaflo hmmm, hadnt thought of that.
Like Oblivion
damn did anyone notice that 'ego' was one of the planets listed in the tva as hit with the reset by lady loki. Kurt Russell is back!
Corn-of-Coblin will make his triumphant return riding möbius’ jet-ski.
What friggin video is the corn of coblin reference from?! I feel like ive watched all of their videos and either i missed it or theres one i missed.
This needs artwork, like ASAP
@@doomstadt2371 i think it is "The Most Dangerous Spiderman Villians"
@@doomstadt2371 it was brought up, originally, in one of the podcast episodes from 2019 about Spiderman’s most dangerous villains
I was just relieved to see that the 'reset' device wasn't a universe-destroying mechanism that basically genocides everyone in broken timelines.
What kinda confuses me tho is that if the reset device does not destroy a messed up timeline how would they solve the problem of Loki going missing in the 2012 timeline? Like using a reset device there would be pointless and the only way to fix it would be to return Loki right? Idk kinda confusing shit here lmao
@@nseuhbf6382 They reset that time line in the first episode. Because Loki didn’t go to another time line in Endgame just to another location.
@@potloodpuntje6130 ohhhhhh you're right but so the reset devices do essentially destroy an entire timeline and all of the people in it right?
wait, didn't they confirm that's exactly what it was? When Loki was entering the tent in the renaissance dress-up party he says it's basically total annihilation for everything in the branched timeline, right?
That's exactly what their devices do. But I think divergent timelines only exist in the radius of the nexus point for a short time. Until they grow enough to become a stable timeline. Which is why they have a "red line" until they can no longer "prune" the affected branch.
As someone from Alabama, I can confirm we’re afraid of super hurricanes
Would you still shop in a Hurricane Sale though?
What you need are jetskis for all.
Ride the hurricane to safety.
That's how Jetskis work right?
@@darren6949 Oh yeah. Gotta stock up on milk, bread and gasoline for the jet skis
@@nickgriffin661 oh god you just reminded me of every hurricane event i experienced when i was a kid. No milk, no bread, everyone going to the church basements. EVERY FUCKING TIME
as you should be
In the original Spider-man comics in the sixties, Peter Parker attended Franklin D Roosevelt High School.
Agents of SHIELD did go to the future, but in the same way as Dr Strange. They saw a possible future and when they went back to their time they made sure that future doesn't happen. And there's a line in Loki ep2 about the Timekeepers still figuring out which future to go with, it's still consistent with Dr Strange and AoS. There's multiple possible futures until one is decided.
Endgame also went to the future because technically it was set in 2023 and the movie was released in 2019
Y’all need to stop reaching. It’s no longer canon.
Agents of SHIELDS first half of S5 was set 100 years into the future, they traveled through a big, sometimes liquid sometimes solid, stone
The difference being that it WASN'T quantum time travel, it was another implementation entirely
@@BonJoviBeatlesLedZep sure but wasn't really part of their question tho
It’s no longer canon. Let it go.
@@inkycell5434 What and what isn't canon wasn't really part of their question neither. It's mostly just an opinion these days anyway
Say what now
So many theories from this episode, the TVA employees were people who in the sacred timeline went missing/died alone and were put in the TVA as it wouldn't effect the timeline.
Also pretty sure it's going to be revealed that time keepers are Loki variants... They wear green and gold robes 🧐 and the show keeps reminding us Loki has blue skin sometimes.
Even though they explained it away in the first episode, it definitely *feels* like Steve should get arrested for all the stuff he's done, and I personally would like to see him face justice for his crimes
Ye it felt so brushed over it was like that was meant to happen like HOW and WHY
I saw someone comment that the sacred timeline being destroyed is going to lead into the multiverse which will explain how there were characters we never seen before. If this is true, Kevin Feige and the writing team are so incredibly smart to incorporate a time table that Disney would be able to eventually acquire characters, to their overall plot. It’s like as if years ago they guessed Marvel/Disney would be able to get the rights back to these characters, this is how long it’s gonna take, and this is how we’re gonna bring it together when we get there.
They got their rights back around 2017/18 but couldn’t used them until after 2019-20 so yeah they obviously thought ahead
Some of the branching timelines have interesting locations of where they occur. Titan in 1982, Ego in 1382, Asgard in 2004 and Vormir in 2301.
Right I seen that too! I wonder if they’re going to touch on it
Theory: the TVA has a 70s style because that decade was the first time-travel they picked up occuring on earth. The TVA agents may look different in other parts of the complex that deal with other civilizations, but this building is for earth. They chose human forms for their workforce because they're made in the image of the life forms that time travel.
I really like that. New head cannon, thank you.
But they also record time on different realms/planets? It was shown in both episodes. From Asgard to Titan to even Vormhir. oh wait want another example? Okay. Xandar, home of the Nova Corps.
I think that at the end of the serie Loki will destroy the sacred timeline. That is why Kang begins to rise with his ultimate goal to return back to one timeline, with him as the ultimate leader/timekeeper. As a big fan of this one timeline thing Ravonna Renslayer will join him and eventually fall in love with him.
The second Enchantress is the young Sylvie Lushton, who was given great mystic powers by Loki when he created her as a tool for chaos. She models herself after the original Enchantress, Amora.
I would not be suprised if Lady Loki is basically Agent of Asgard Loki and she is trying to restore the freewill in the universe by recreating or reconnectiong the sacred timeline to the rest of the multiverse. She also has the small horns head piece as the AoA Loki.
Or she's enchantress
Agent Loki Coulson!!?
All the different Loki's are working together in a council of reeds type of thing
Council of Rick's
@@codyleslie478 I can do you one better:
The Council of Wells.
group therapy
Loved the thumbnail guys, you're getting so good at putting things in red circles Collins
What if the TVA went to arrest Steve Rogers, and Steve fought them off. And they just let him be. Or they got him to do an impossible job hoping for him to die but he did it successfully and then they left him alone
i believe that second part is more likely. he probably pleaded to be able to live with peggy where they offered him a chance to do that by perhaps fixing another timeline problem
Trials of Hercules but Steve Rodgers. Now that is a show I would watch
Does The Ancient One know about the time keepers? We learned about timelines splitting from her during Endgame. If she understands that then she must know of the TVA and then in turn the time keepers.
never even thought of this but i bet you’re right
This is one of Owen Wilson's best performances. He outshines Loki IMHO. Too bad the minor actors aren't better, which is a theme with these Marvel/Star Wars TV shows
Which minor actors?
Not only better he get his jetski, but he also mutters a small "Oh wow" under his breath.
My pet theory; the Time Keepers will accidentally get merged into one person, maybe by collapsing multiple timelines into one again, and this one person becomes Kang. I feel that their individual designs combined would look kinda... Kang-y.
That’s a great theory! Especially if they’re set on the elimination of chaos in the timeline, since I think obsessive maintenance of the timeline is a Kang trait
Kang is already multiple persons in one (not really, just the same Kang from different points in his life) to the point he created the Council of Kangs. So there is no need for the Time Keepers to merge. They can already be 3 different Kangs from 3 different timelines.
In any case, these entities seem to be A LOT stronger than Kang, anyway.
@@92brunod To be honest, in ep 1 I thought that the TVA was secretly run by Kang, who had manipulated time in such a way that suited him best and he is now fiercely protecting his preferred timeline. I do like how the vertically chopped up statues of the time keeper faces we see in the background resemble the lines on Kang’s mask.
You can't spell Jetski without John Krasinski
CAMEO CONFIRMED.
i’d rather see mobius not ride a jet ski but ride a john krasinSKI.... wait...
@@KeiranThomas110 Hold up
I enjoy your recaps far more than anyone else's.
That Pen has established John Krasinski as Mephisto.
Oh my God. You did it, you son of a biscuit
You’ve cracked the code
But he was Jimmie Woo in WandaVision.
I think it's cool that Mobius' assumed plan of Loki is basically Loki's Sakaar plan
I’m actually in the ‘not lady Loki but actually Entchantress’ camp
The fight scene in the beginning with
"Holding Out for a Hero" was underwhelming. I thought the fight scene would be dope.. Eh
The meme was better
But the rest of the episode was epic. Loved it
Very ambitious of them to think they could top Shrek 2
Me too. I wonder if they licensed it because they had a plan for a long fight scene where she keeps switching bodies and ended up cutting it down for some reason
The Kid From Brooklyn…
First thing I thought of when I saw FDR was the pen Tony showed Steve when offering an olive branch in Civil War and FDR High being in Brooklyn.
Yeah, but the one in Brooklyn stands for "Federeal Drug Reserve" as far as the natives are concerned...along with a less PC name that I wont leave here lol
I've noticed the TVA is very anti-flashlight, too
I studied Pompeii just under two years ago in year 12 and the teacher discussed the movie Pompeii with Kit Harrington so I know the movie you’re talking about James 👍🏼
I feel like Richard Grant will more likely to be one of the time keepers, he seems like he can play that old, all knowing type of character.
I do think he already has the look and personality for an older, grizzled Loki though.
This episode was LOW KEY pretty good. Get it? Cause Loki
Absolutely not.
Take your like and get out. Lol
Ew. Lol
somebody come get your dad
I don’t understand?
So we are finally get corn on a coblin in a timeline
Rampant Speculation: Mobius was speaking about himself when he mentioned wanting to try something new. He wants Loki to destroy the sacred timeline so he can zip around the multiverse on a time-hopping jet ski.
Corn of Cobblin is my favorite on going joke in these videos 😂😂 good work mates!
Best part of the episode is when Agent Mobius looked at the camera and said “kachow”
So far loving Loki, exactly what I wanted from a marvel show. Wacky shit they could never explore in a movie
Here’s the thing with the endgame timey wimey stuff, is that we already know that the tva doesn’t go after the avengers because that’s what they were supposed to do. So captain America staying in the 50s doesn’t mess with the time line because capsicle is still frozen so he still arrives young in 2011(?).
Theory: Richard E. Garnt is Corn of Coblin!
One thing I thought was weird was how is a hurricane in alabama a class 10 apocalypse but the destruction of asgard by a 2000ft tall demon only a class 7?
Also where are the avengers in all these future apocalypse? They couldn't save like 100 people at a costco?
I think it goes up in intensity from 10-1
You’re point about the Avengers raised a question for me watching this : Why do they have climate problems at all ? This universe is light years ahead of us technologically and Avengers (2012) kind of implied that Tony was working on sharing the Arc Reactor technology to create renewable energy.
I know they’re trying to make a statement about OUR future but it doesn’t make a lot of sense for the MCU’s future.
Obviously, it’s not impossible for the MCU Earth to be like ours in regards to their fight against climate change but this universe has so many incredible people I find it hard to believe Tony or some other super genius wouldn’t have already figured out contingency plans for this.
When Cap fought himself, the 2012 cap assumed he was fighting Loki. After recovering from the fight and the scepter having rendered him unconscious, he could have just assumed the "Bucky is alive" phrase to have been another trick by the God of Lies to throw him off and gain the upper hand in the melee. This is similar to Loki doomsaying in the middle of Pompeii. A nexus event does not happen simply by changing an event in the timeline, the change has to be big enough to cause other decisions to vary thus leading to multiple deviations from the norm. If Cap didn't believe "Loki", no damage was done, it's just as the people of Pompeii who could do nothing with the warnings of Loki since their fate was sealed anyway.
But right before that "variant" loki takes the tesseract which causes the split
That agent that Ravonna wouldn’t name is definitely Kang. I mean who else would be sending her gifts like that?
Captain America
I'm kinda surprised they haven't brought up the fact that she has the same name as Kang's love interest in a lot of storylines.
could be Steve Rogers as well
@@thisisnotme33 it’s literally her. Did you not know that somehow?
@@fernandodiniz8241 it’s definitely not
Praise to these boys for never making 7 minute videos with 27 ads, getting so burnt on the new 8-9 minute video with an ad at the beginning middle and end. The planet left/is leaving cable behind for a reason.
I wouldn't be surprised if Lady LOKI is the one fighting for the good SIDE
Yeah the TVA are definitely not the best moral figures
Heres an idea for a Caravan of Garbage....Do the film "The One" with Jet Li....multiverses...different versions of main character....and even a MVA Multiverse Authority Jason Statham...Directed by James Wong perfect for C.O.G.
Give me a Loki/Life Model Decoy Coulson team-up. That is all I ask. Please!
The variant "Loki" at the end was a blonde. All the variant Loki's in holograms had the signature black hair. Maybe the master she reluctantly(?) serves is an ultimate evil Loki variant with his mischievousness turned up to 11. She wears the Loki headgear with a broken horn. Maybe the TVA and Loki variant destroyed something of hers she held dear in the past/future, but it hasn't happened yet for the current TVA and Loki, and she's out for revenge, wanting to kill every Loki out there, expose/destroy the TVA, while incriminating current Loki by wearing a different Loki's crown... I dunno...
Or... maybe the variant Loki isn't a blonde and just likes to color her hair.
John Krasinski as Revlon the Conquerer Confirmed!
I think around mid episode 4 this storyline with Lady Loki is resolved (it has already progressed heavily in the first two episodes). Then the show will turn on its head and dive into some sort of dilemma with the TimeKeepers themselves.
I know that Auntie Donna clips are used in the vast majority of the videos these days but it never fails to make me laugh 😂
I stg, the marvel shows get better every single damn week!
Its kinda neat how the concepts in this show are so big, and yet the show feels really small.
Nah. Wandavision got worse towards the end, falcon and winter soldier was meh all the way through, and Loki episode 1 was leagues better than 2.
@@michaelthatoker7125 your opinion buddy
@@SeyiOderinde Nah, I’m being factually objective. Just don’t feel like typing out the book required to explain why.
@@michaelthatoker7125 start feeling buddy
I was watching an old Hiddleston clip on Graham Norton, and I was stunned to hear him relate a story about a moment when he met Owen Wilson on the set of "Midnight in Paris." Apparently, Hiddleston had no idea he was in a time travel movie until he saw Wilson and asked him what was up with his costume. Hiddleston was dressed for the 1920s and Wilson for the 2000s.
Hmm, I think “it’s a super weird coincidence” and “it’s just a reference to our show” is exactly what someone who is definitely putting Mephisto in the show would say. #MephistoConfirmed
When you mentioned Peggy Carter and Hank Pym it suddenly made me realise something...they were both together in that camp when Tony stark and Steve Rogers went back in time to get the pym particles...and they both looked a similar age. So why in "present day" is Carter a withered old lady on her death bed losing her marbles and pym is a pretty spritely geezer still young enough to get involved in missions and travel through the quantum realm? Am I missing something?
Man am I the only one expecting an avenger to arrive in the 2050 hurricane scene
school’s stressin me out but u guys always cool me down and make me laugh. thank u
I think Ravanna is going to turn out to be a villain. I have no evidence for this, I just want a record in case I turn out to be right.
EDIT: hey guess what
I've never heard a Raycon commercial spoken with so much enthusiasm. This is the 1st time I haven't skipped an ad in a long time. lol
Not really a theory thing or anything, but did anyone else notice that the apocalypse in Alabama was a Category EIGHT hurricane?
What does that entail?
@@CourtlandLess Whatever it is, it ain't good, since currently the highest category we have is five.
Like A Pocket Doomsday
All the editors on this channel are amazing but I have to give it up for Collings for never passing up a Corn of Coblin reference
Mobious jetski fantasy reminds of the Luna robots skiing dream from a grand day out.
I was not expecting to see my boy from Aunty Donna represent. Hell yeah!
Loki's plan is to subvert the TVA enough to save his mother. Go back and watch the end of ep 1. Watch Loki's reaction to being shown the results of his actions. He tingles with the possibility of saving her from the death that he inflicted.
I'm glad Ben pointed out that one particular goat with the red circle. It's a part of the puzzle!
"Have your ever been to Franklin D. Roosevelt High School?"
"It's a magical place."
The jetski magazine is interesting because if you zoom in at 2:38 you can see the first sentence is, "For the adventurous there's a whole new world to discover." Which seems like a metaphor for possible new timelines. And also the middle sentence that says, "This is the [not sure what this word is] you've been looking for. The one and only. Buy original. Insist on quality." I just feel like that whole article is kind of a metaphor for which Loki's superiority complex regarding power/performance/quality etc. Marvel really does think of everything.
That's all very interesting, but did you know that Boyhood took 12 years to make?
"Mephist Go No, Mephist? No, Mason" is probably my new favorite catchphrase
This is one of the few channels where I click the like button as soon as it loads and never regret it.
One thing that intrigues me is that the TVA is seemingly this all powerful, very important organization. And yet, they still use type writers, paper files and rotary phones. It’s so interesting that they don’t use very advanced technology for the critical work they do.
“Roxxcart is kind of like Amazon”
Walmart: Am I a joke to you?
Hahaha 10:59 🤣👍
(Gets me EVERY time!)
I never even noticed where the time resets were going. This is so much worse than I thought.
FACTS! the biggest trip for me was ego, does that mean a reset was sent to kill him?? so many theories i wanna know about
One of the TVA office workers at the end of episode 2 of Loki looks like the piano teacher from WandaVision
NEW THEORY - a new villain will emerge the likes we have never seen before. This series will introduce KANG THE CORN-QUERER
Good job
Something funny I find is that when Loki mentions pushing Hulk off the bridge essentially leading to his death supposedly is that he assumes Hulk died in the explosion. But if he did that he would inadvertently cause a cascade of events, cause Bruce is the one who essentially sets the motions of IW. Kinda interesting.