How The World Has Caught Up to USA Basketball | JJ and Franz Wagner In-Depth Conversation
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- čas přidán 28. 05. 2024
- In this clip, JJ Redick and Franz Wagner (Orlando Magic / Team Germany) talks about how countries like Germany and Spain have caught up to Team USA basketball.
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I'm from Spain..Thanks for the mention!!. We had our chance twice against such great great players. Kobe had to play really good to make USA win the gold medal (not to mention the travelling rules). To be honest though, that Spanish team was a beatiful coincidence of so many great players from differente ages. It is true that if americans can keep their physical advantage they will win most of the tournaments. I remember 2015 watching them in Bilbao (Spain). James Harden, or Anthony Davies were much bigger and stronger than players from Finland...Finland! They are Vikings OMG. As soon as we saw them next to each other we realized the gap was big. It makes sense that they dont want to play like a team. Very interesting as well the observation about individual mentality in America.
Also, the fact that Yugoslavia is no longer one country helped us during our golden decade or so.
One thing I would like is for the NBA to have International Breaks, like Football/Soccer, so that the best players can actually represent their countries more often and help them qualify for International Tournaments. This is coming from a British person who Wants to see OG Anunoby and Jeremy Sochan help us qualify for a World Cup or EuroBasket :(
Dude, Sochan represents Poland
I have been thinking this since the NBA sent pro players to the Olympics. Good comment.
Euroleague And asian league actually do that
NBL in Australia, a strong league internationally has FIBA breaks, as with the Euro Leagues.
yh so no wonder all these other teams have way better chemistry than the USA, even if USA picked the same players for major tournaments, they still wouldn't play with each other often at all
FIBA is real basketball. NBA is sports entertainment👍
Not true.
@@hurleygonzalez I think it is but am open to hearing your argument if you’d like to share
If you mean the NBA regular season, I somewhat agree. The playoffs however, that's something else.
@@micheltenvoorde that’s fair playoffs are certainly a different animal from the regular season👍
both are sport
i didnt know what to expect out of franz as a person but he is incredibly well spoken and clearly has a brilliant mind for the game
A lot of international stars have AMAZING fundamentals. They get easy buckets while forcing the opponents to score tough ones. Shot making is at an all time high but it doesn't beat an open layup, posting up mismatches or an open 3.
💤 fest it's only like 2 amazing Euro players
@@Chris-fz7mu jokic luka sabonis franz sengun just off the top of my head. You can probably add more ppl in there depending on your definition of a star e.g. valanciunas, vucevic
Of course if we're talking historically as well there are a TON of fundamentally sound european players who were extremely good.
You got to love when players from the latvian league (not even the euroleague) consistenlty posted up Austin Reeves and let him know about it. And that guy is considered to be the third best player on the Lakers.
@@Jonteponte71 lithuania literally exposed the us with all their size and there were ppl thinking they got lucky to win against them... like dude watch the games and see how they are beating you guys. It's not that hard to figure out...
@@Chris-fz7mudude you in every comment just yapping😂 you watch highlights not games
The more basketball grows internationally the more talent will come from overseas. The talent pool is growing every year
There is mad talent overseas and always been they just don't have the NBA /American money
Not even just overseas.. even Canada is getting really good
I m not getting this 'the more basketball grows overseas' I mean I m from Ljubljana, like Dončič and Dragič... and Ljubljana was host of the basketball world championship in 1970. And we beat team US in finals in 1970!
Not true, basketball is literally only growing in Europe, Canada, and Australia. Other than that no where else.
@@hurleygonzalez see u soon
They care about winning and not getting “theirs”
What does that even mean just stop talking, we didn't even send our best talent. While others teams got all their best talent playing 🤣.
Generic and lazy boomer take.
@@Chris-fz7muwell said
@@ryancallsin Lol this is such a stupid comment. Boomer take? The USA at its core celebrates selfishness while other countries focus on the collective
May be a little of that, but Franz (and Tommy) nailed it toward end of clip: National teams *know one another* better than US superteams.
Winning this is so huge for us!
I’ve been in Thailand when we beat the US and spended like 3k for a spontaneous trip to Manilla + ticket to see the final. So glad I did it and been there!!!
Franz' response at the end is what American fans seem to not understand. The national pride and playing with heart for the country is baked into our European sports culture, which together with tactical advantages can make up for a ton of disadvantages in the talent level.
As somebody else once said (not sure who and where): For US players the Olympics are a bucket list, for most the rest of the international players it's the most important tournament in their careers.
At this point the US team mainly wins, because they can field an entire All NBA roster of players and win with a much larger talent pool, while the international players are divided between their own individual countries.
The pride of playing and supporting your country even exceeds centuries old rivalry between teams. Barcelona and real madrid fans come together when spain is playing.
Could you imagine USA vs Europ 7 game series? Ryder Cup style 🤯
Ok that applies to the United States as well y’all not special y’all just late to the function.😂 been playing with heart for longer and harder than y’all. Get real.
@@starofdabloc so much heart that most of your top players dont want to represent the country, only after getting embarrassed. Lmao
@@MultiKillerface Because we don’t care like y’all care about this particular tournament, we’ve been doing this for a long long time lmao what’s spectacular and once in a lifetime for you is Tuesday for us lol we gave Europe Basketball. Y’all just now catching up. When you have something like the NBA making it to every tournament around the world is not that big of a deal. Y’all got like 2 sports each you’re good at it course you’re going to go hard on it. 😂
Individual talents versus collective effort and basketball IQ.
An underrated aspect of international play is that the best players in other countries have been playing together for years on teams in their home country or on their national teams since they were 15. US team has to become a team in like a month, the other countries squads are already teams with continuity, they just have to shake off the rust
That‘s an excuse.
Not really. For example: The German team did play the qualification round with only one player of the later roster. And that was the guy who didnt get any minute. Especially the teams with a lot of NBA-players dont train much together.
lol its literally the same as nba theres way more teams actually cuz not evryone is from euroleague some come from other leagues like its more likely the nba will have 2 players from the same team then europe
I feel like for americans winning the world cup isn‘t a celebrated achievment like it is for the rest of the world, so naturally not every NBA player is interested in participating.
Meanwhile representing your country and winning the world cup are one of the biggest achievments for foreign players.
If anything American Players care more about the Olympics
@@TheMarslMcFlythat doesn’t even make sense
Because the NBA doesn't control it and players aren't paid. Similar to the World Baseball Classic and MLB. It's still basketball on the world stage though. It's very important from a pride and competition level. I would argue that it's more competitive than the Olympics because countries are fighting to qualify for the olympics.
Thats indeed one part of it: American players view the nba Championship as the ultimate goal (which makes sense). Another problem is that the guys that do suit up dont play well together. Team usa had the fewest passes per game in the tournament, followed by canada
Which is ironic because if there's one thing Americans are know for worldwide, it's their strange hyperpatriotism.
As overwhelmingly deep as USA basketball is compared to the rest of the world, you can only ever have 5 players on the court at a time. A lot of these players playing for European nations have played together since childhood, and thus have a deep institutional knowledge of the playstyle and playbook. It is hard for the USA to take a bunch of random superstars and with two weeks of practice expect to smoothly coast to victory in these FIBA tournaments anymore.
Complete bs. Its about Nba general lack of quality. Defenses collapsing after simple pick and rolls. They cant make simple switches, they cant stay with their man, complete lack of IQ. Like the guy said in the beginning they are better at simple basics of team basketball.
@@mrfatuchiYou hate the truth, USA is still the king of basketball. If we sent our A team to every international basketball competition we would go undefeated and obliterate the opposition by 30-40 points every single game.
@@hurleygonzalez The kings of basketball are Germany, current World Champions. You could argue there are many countries that are better or have better players, but that doesn't change the facts. If USA wants to win it it would have to be on the court, not on a youtube chat.
@@hurleygonzalezlol your A-Team is over 30 years old 😂LeChoke lost already 2 times. But hey keep dreaming, it’s not 92 anymore.
Arrogant American logic. More weapons does not mean more success...
Great to hear from Franz, super well spoken about this 🙌
Franz Wagner 🏆 World Champion and has one of the highest basketball IQ‘s 🏀🔥🙌 in the NBA
He is my favorite basketball player
Franz is so underrated
Future Superstar in the NBA
JJ and Franz we need this combo more often
Franz Wagner Berliner Junge
The Finnish NT for instance has been able to win loads of teams that on paper have been massively better just by playing a very structured team oriented basketball. And I mean even more structured than the average european team. Wasn't really working in the WC because maybe the guys started to get a bit starstruck with Lauri Markkanen on the team, but the last decade the Finnish NT has been doing really well considering that the team's core has always been guys that play either in Finland or in second class European leagues, with one or two euroleague-level players.
And it's worked so well that once Lauri came to Utah, Will Hardy (the Jazz coach) started taking stuff from the Finnish NT.
Basketball is a global sport. The talent pool has expanded. Mathematically it's not hard to understand the gap closing. It's the Ronda Rousey effect.
It’s that easy to understand. US is 4% of the world’s population.
I agree with this statement. It's still sad how Ronda Rousey fell off
@@makesmartTROYces she didn't fall off. More women just got on lol.
@NoName-cn3cp yea she was never that good. Her grappling is elite but in mma you won't survive being one dimensional
Basketball isn't as global as it's made out to be. The countries that really love it are all tiny population in the Balkans and Baltic
It’s because in Europe they still play actual basketball. They still focus on fundamentals and team ball. Not iso hero chucker ball.
And they are still inferior
@@rogelioatempa1115 well not in the last 5 years and foreseeable future
That USA - Germany semifinal showed how old team basketball is becoming 'another game' from the US point of view. No boxing out, no adjustments to the plays for Andy Obst, etc.... You can lose even with the best possible NBA team.
At the 1992 Barcelona Olympics, NBA players were allowed to participate in international tournaments and the "Dream Team" was formed, and the sight of Jordan and Magic playing together had a huge impact on basketball players around the world.
Furthermore, the overwhelming strength and popularity of the Dream Team led to the increased popularity of basketball around the world, and the level of each country improved, making it no longer easy for even the American team to win.
It would be no surprise if the All-Star Game no longer appeals to us as much as it used to, compared to the Olympics and the World Cup, where national pride is on the line.
The issue with this narrative is that it’s not true. Americans attributing the rise of the international game to the Dream Team is weird because Yugoslavia already had an incredible team (although they splintered) and the Dream Team was formed because the US lost. You don’t get to take credit for everything.
@@emmanuela7528The US lost in 72 and 88 because they was playing college kids vs paid professional grown men that’s why the US formed the Dream Team ..
USA BASKETBAL FELT THAT COLLEGE PLAYERS were good enough to dominate at international tournaments
@@emmanuela7528 canada and the usa were the only 2 countries that were using non pros for international tournaments
@@davidmontgomery1442 Please tell me you don’t really believe that. Yugoslavia joined FIBA in 1936.
It's true that you dont need complicated schemes to go get a bucket when your players are so talented. But when that happens consistently, play after play, I think it messes up that rhythm and focus of the rest of the team. It's hard to stay locked in when you're not really participating.
4:44 Saying the USA were still in games playing individual basketball isn't really a good thing, because the USA squad consisted of multiple all-stars, the DPOY and the rest were all good NBA starters, compared to their two defeats (Germany and Lithuania) who had 2 and 1 players that were on NBA rosters. There is still a big enough gap in talent where they should be expected to perform regardless
We (Germany) had 4 NBA players, tbf. Franz and Mo, Dennis and Theis.
Also, they lost to Canada as well.
Nba players lack basic fundementals on defensive end. They are actually worse then the rest of the world on defense which is crazy. I have seen the games, thrh have better talent offensively but were often struggling because of defenses and also on their own defensive end they got exposed.
That was USA C team at best. And the game against Germany. Brandon Ingram was out if he played he could’ve been the difference maker. Yeah the USA undoubtedly has the most talent on paper, but you sound as if USA played against some division 2 college basketball team. These European countries got professional basketball players in their own right. Who play in the NBA, Euroleague, and NBL and have played together for years on their respective national teams. Meanwhile USA inspite of it’s overall pool of talent, has to collectively put together 12 random NBA players who have never played together. and are forced to have to gel off the rip, and play together on the fly. But of course your intent and motive is to slander the USA, and don’t want to hear or see this side of the story.
JJ was deflecting the issue that USA wasnt playing team ball because he himself was egotistical.
I feel like this is similar to how football/soccer development differs from country to country. There is a massive difference in the way a Brazilian might learn to play on the streets (not that structured football doesn't exist) and for example maybe a german who has been in a structured league or team. You can see these different development paths lead to different outcomes in the general style of players that come from each country where brazil is known for style and panache and germany is for ruthless efficiency.
That was true untill the 90‘s!
The biggest problem for Brazil kow is they loose their talents way too early to European clubs and they learn basically how to play as a European. That’s why they can’t win anymore. They are too predictable.
Something that makes a difference is that in europe they train 4-6 times a week and then play 1 game and in the summer theyre allowed to rest and ofcourse keep up with cardio. In america, everything is tied with school and then in the summer they play 6 games and train 0 times in AAU.
Bro I love that you play for the home team buy also sad. Cause since I was a kid Orlando never knew how to keep our good players. But can't wait for you to get back on the court Bro .
At the end of games the Celtics feed Tatum the ball and he takes a terrible contested shots. He never hits them. I wish the NBA wasn’t so individual based
Never hits them is just insane to say because he wouldn’t be the player he is today if he didn’t make them lmaooo. Now u can say hes not the most efficient or it doesn’t work all the time but tatum literally wins them games some nights
Team basketball is boring no one wants to see that and it doesn't work against elite talent. In NBA history most teams DON'T win championships with "Role Players" you make no sense
@@dre7147Which is probably why people didn't think the Nuggets would be champs last year. They have an all time great player, but since he involves his teammates (by passing to them) and is not putting up 50 every night even though he could. People just don't understand his greatness.
No one has the same issues with Embiid. Who DOES score 40-50 every night, but also haven't gotten very far in the playoffs.
@@dre7147 you clearly never have seen actually good Basketball lmao
@@dre7147you definitely just want to see a team shoot 60 3s and just highlight plays. Team basketball isn't boring if you know what you watching, also multiple teams have won with that style the Spurs with Tim Duncan is the prime example. Learn basketball fam
2 points from an international pov:
1: almost all non-US players played a lot of football in their youths - a "deeper" game that also foster improvisation and "eye for the game" in a different way than basketball.
2: get used to the "role of Brazil" - even though they tend to have the most talented teams to the world cup they only win every now and then.
First, I would argue that American Football has a greater benefit to the basketball mind then Soccer. I could explain why to you but you wouldn’t understand the mental aspect unless you have actually played the game.
Next.. Have you Europeans ever heard of: Jayson Tatum? Steph Curry? Anthony Davis? Kawhi Leonard? Bam Adebayo? Kyrie Irving? Jalen Brown? LeBron James?
They are the best players in the USA and they were not at the FIBA World Cup. In fact we sent the USA B-squad while Europe sent their very best players(except Jokic)
But don’t worry they will all be in Paris this summer embarrassing Europeans.
@@latinoheateddieguerrero7644You took it right to heart 😂
The FIBA World Cup is a junior tournament in the USA.
The Summer Olympics is the senior tournament in the USA.
The USA has won every Olympic gold metal in men’s basketball for the past 20 years.
Catch up world!
with a small exception of 2004 where US took bronze
If that’s the case how you do explain the us not even medaling 😂😂😂😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
I think the big difference, which nba commentators might not think about, is this: in europe basketball is usually organized in a stacked league system. like, lets say you have 9 leagues stacked onto each other and you could theoretically advance from the bottom to the top league. every scrub from a very young age, whos into a sport, will play as part of a club that plays in a league. so everyone is used to organized play, to coaching, to learning fundamentals in and with a group. like, i played organized basketball for 20 years and not because i was good, its just how you enjoy a sport. and i think this is the big difference in at least viewership of the game and why europeans like to comment on "fundamentals" like boxing out. (and the real reason nba players move differently on the court is of course that they are used to a different style of play and has nothing to do with skill or knowledge of basketball).
Man, I grew up in Rome, Italy, and we try to play some organized basketball even in the church court, and if you see somebody going 1 vs 5, he immediately gets all the backlash
@@MichelePonte yeah depends on the player level, if you dont defend or chuck the ball or dont move after passing or dont box out, all legitimate reasons to get bullied :D
Yeah, i dont know about the league stuff, in Serbia we have 2 teams, Partizan and Red Star and then 10 empty spots and then everybody else, and thats not just in basketball, thats every sport. Its different school of basketball and also better coaching, but the main difference is that coach is being listened to, no player is above the coach, while in the NBA a coach has to Be very cautious not to hurt star players ego or he will get sacked
@@andrej0145 yeah maybe i was just talking for germany i felt like probably other countries also use a league system. i did always find curious that you can't actually coach in the nba you're more of a motivational leader than what i would consider a coach.
Well the most talented team is not always the BEST team. It is a big difference.
Yep. Americans sometimes have a hard time to understand logic outside of individualism.
Also a lot of times I feel like the nba talent isn’t the best to represent the country. Because there’s just too much money on the line. Say, one get hurt in an international game, in these day and age, could mean hundreds of of millions lost in future contracts.
In 2008 against Spain was proof that if European players get even better just a little bit, its going to be harder even in the Olympics
Great show as alway. I think team USA will almost always be a favorite (rightfully so) because of the pool of players it has available. Serbia for example only has 7.5 million people and there's almost no way it could bring as many superstars to the international competition as the Team USA. It's a blessing and a curse at the same time. Because we're lacking that much talent (at that level), we must rely on team play and fundamentals. Former Yugoslavia team would be a problem, similar to what that golden generation of Spain did for a decade. Also, there's just not enough money for top talents to stay and play in Europe. I believe when you play same type of basketball throughout the year, you end up playing recognizable style and makes it a bit easier for players when they gather for the national team to figure each other out. At least that was the case with Yugoslav national team in the late 80s with Kukoc, Petrovic, Divac Rađa and many others.
Lastly, international players play for pride and for their countrymen, and I could be wrong, but more than few USA players do it for prestige.
Cheers
JJ qualifies himself to try and avoid backlash too much.
wow, took people 3 years to realise.
on the other hand, you could understand him as well. he wants to keep working as a media person and hope that players will happily accept his next invitation. and you need to stay polite in that case
@@azel155 people realised, it's just a bit much.
I don't think he's ever said anything that would stop him getting jobs. It seems mainly to stop trolls, which it won't.
@@kb5509 you are right, but we are all different. he's always been supercareful with every word he says
Just good media training in 2024 tbh
@@clayc5929 it's not gonna change anything.
There's individual talent and then there's team talent. Sum of the parts are greater when there is cohesion.
Honest question, what’s the benefit of ATO’s? Am I old or don’t teams have plays based off of where the ball is inbounded regardless of timeouts. Is it a designation if we need a good score to stop the bleeding or what am I missing
ATO plays can be run because the ball is always inbounded from the same spot with usually enough shot clock. Out of bounds plays are dependent on where the ball goes out and the shot clock is more variable. Also coaches can draw up plays or explain already known ones role by role with a timeout.
However it is possible to have sideline or baseline out of bounds plays sorted by area where the ball is out and the clock.
Another thing that must be clarified is there are inbound plays (where the goal is to get a shot completely scripted before the inbound) and inbound sets, where the goal is just to have motion to get the ball inbound to a certain player to initiate a half court set or even a regular play, rather than shoot off predetermined pass and movement from inbound
Finally a magic star at the podcast , I feel bad for Franz , magic is disastrous without him
It’s a lot easier to run more complex ATOs and other sets when players are familiar with playing together. How much time have some of these international teams played/practiced together? The US has a deeper pool of talent and the roster is constantly changing. The smaller pool of players that other countries have means that there ends up being less turnover in their rosters.
The thing that reddick didn’t seem to understand is that in fiba, being collectively smart is a talent. The NBA basketball emphazise so much the individual part of bball that the collective part isn’t à talent for most of américan hoopers.
I wonder if the college system is perhaps holding the US back in some ways as the sport is becoming more popular in other countries.
I'm from the UK and football/soccer is the main sport I'm interested in and there's a similar thing happening in soccer. The US women's team dominated for decades and had the first women's professional soccer league in the world with a traditional US sports pipeline of high school soccer, leading to college soccer, leading to going pro. That led to the US being regularly being top 2 or 3 in the world. A lot of European clubs use a traditional European academy system so kids play age-level appropriate soccer until coaches feel they're ready to play at a senior level and they then start playing at that level whether they're 16 or 20 or whatever age rather than being held back because they've not left college yet. The US women's team have struggled in the last couple of tournaments and I think it may be because other countries are catching up and even overtaking the US.
The US men's soccer team have never really been at the very top of men's soccer because Europe has been playing using an academy development system for more than a century before the MLS was founded. The best ever US men's soccer players have typically come through a European club system rather than the high school then college route used in the US.
European basketball teams have their own academies and promote their kids once they feel they're ready, so the international players moving to the NBA already have a couple of years of playing against men and as touched on in the video will also have been playing alongside players for their country's youth teams and so will have that experience too.
This comment went far longer than I planned when I first started typing. Oops!
Franz mannerisms remind me a lot of Nikola Jovic (on the heat)
The more countries play competitive basketball there will be new ideas and higher competition. It's good for the sport.
The big difference is also the fact that the USA has a pool of people to choose the best from, the size of like 330 million. While Germany for example has only like 83 million or smaller countries like Slovenia have like 2 million. So just statistically the top 0,1% of 330 million is going to be a much larger and better pool of people than 0,1% of 2 million. Thats why in most international sports competitions USA is very dominant especially if its a team sport, not so much on individual ones like tennis.
Basketball to us is like badminton to china or cricket to india. Losing is an embarrassment when only few select countries are even taking it seriously. Most of the world play football
Easy. Euroleague and other foreign leagues allow hand-checking.
No defensive three-seconds.
They have to overcome stronger defenses, thus become better players.
Iron sharpens iron.
They hold eachother accountable and the coaching staff is not afraid to call out players . In the nba you don't talk like that to "stars ". German coach was tough on Dennis and he got loud to but they saw the bigger picture
It’s hard to foster continuity when the roster gets overhauled for the Olympics. And casuals would riot if US-born MVP candidates weren’t on the team.
Winning solves everything let's be real
Overhauled? The best players or the A-squad declined to play at the FIBA WC. The USA sent young, inexperienced players; the B-squad. (Possibly even the C-squad)
In the USA, the Olympics is bigger then the FIBA WC.
To most Americans, the Olympics is more important than the FIFA WC too.
World Champion 🎉
Bane's line from Batman is relevant to JJ's point about not needing 4 mis directions to get a good look, because of the talent. "victory has defeated you" the US has so much talent they dont maximize their ability to cut and do all of the things they are talking about.
I would love a NA vs Europe All-Star game with FIBA rules.
JJ, im a big fan. The only college sweater i ever bought was Duke when i was 13. Love to disagree with you on this one! When the USA puts there BEST guys on the floor ill believe it when i see it.
I feel like that reason doesn't carry much weight anymore. The USA still has the largest talent pool to select from. They're still the best players on earth at every level. Team USA has plans A to Z for team rosters. Other countries don't have that luxury. This is 100% about schemes and styles of play now. The world has caught up and it's such a beautiful thing for the sport.
Always felt like the US didn’t bother representing their own country in international competitions. Compare it to soccer where its an honor and means youre still a good player
8:20 It's very interesting cause since they dont compete world wide they dont know that prestige of representing your country. I think in soccer most players would prefer to win the world cup above the ballon dor which sounds TOTALLY INSANE cause one doest garantee the other, just because of the prestige of the trophy. There's something different about winning the entire world vs domestically in a highly competitive sport.
I really like him.
since 92*
american media forgets even the dream team had trouble (with yugoslavia)
Tommy done dirty by the lighting
It’s the same with american soccer. They have developed a lot and In no time they will go toe to toe with Europe and the rest of the world. Greetings from Germany 🙋🏻♂️
I want to see one of rhem international star players turn into a coach
FIBA is totally different than NBA basketball, and it s in my opinion a way better product to watch (exept than NBA Playoffs)!
You are allowed to defend, it s an inside to outside game and basket fundamentals are so much better!
Nba is iso iso iso...
JJ Reddick I hope your next guest is Jaylen Brown 😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤😤
I really do think the NBA needs to do what these other countries are doing and start signing 14, 15 year olds and have them learn these nba level offenses so we can get back to being the big dogs in the sport, because the rest of the world has been caught up to us, we shouldn’t have to be reminded about the 04 Olympic loss to Manu and Argentina
Just something to think abouth, usa is practicly a continent with the hole nba lige to chose players from for national team. Imagine if europe would be one national team😏
this has to be the biggest overeaction to a team's lack of success. Team usa lost 3 consecutive world cup's from 1998 to 2006 nobody was talking about the world catching up or that luis scola is better than tim duncan and kevin garnett it's just the lack of continuity between the players and the fact that knockout games increase te odds of lesser teams compared to a best of 7 series where the best usually wins
Because the league wasn’t also being dominated by euros lol. Horrible take dude. Those teams lost to TEAMS who played team ball but didn’t have any stars. These TEAMS now have stats on top of their play style.
Amazing how guys like JJ was able to predict that the USA downfall is getting near but no one actually made a plan to mitigate or to stop it
Congrats houston. You all got another one.
That team isn't going no where with Sengun. If Jalen doesn't figure it out that team will be forever average
Old class mates come together for fun. Not for the money... World Champion.😂
"We're supposed to be winning" is the U.S. approach in ALL sports, even in Soccer where we positively suck. Yet, for some reason a sub-section of the American fanbase seemed to get worked up about the U.S. having an expectation of winning in Basketball at the World Championships/Olympics - a sport we've absolutely, positively dominated for decades. Well, imagine your unfathomable heartbreak when International players do emerge to dominate basketball - and it's all African players.
Basketball is a team sport..European players have been playing that way for years.. NBA is all about individual plays and top 10 highlights..Skill and talent will not always guarantee u a win..Team play combined with skill and talent does..Thats what International teams are good at..
Americans are so individualistic that successful NBA coaches can't last if they coach with plays and team basketball. So if you had a team of elite US players with no ego playing the euro coaching style - game over!
Greg Popovic made a career from using euro strategies and international players. It’s obviously a successful way to play
Non need to polite about it, the US ditched fundamentals for entertainment. And individualism for collectivity. Raw talent can only get you so far. Probably stating the obvious, but B-ball still is a team sport.
USA basketball just needs to hire an elite international coach at this point, cuz they know how to exploit the international game better than nba coaches. at least have one as an assistant. also our best players only show up for the olympics. the world cup team was too small and got bullied every night.
Franz rules
i disagree with jj probably for the first time,he says they dont need that much actions in nba,just switching defenders on the best offensive player.He is wrong,this is a team sport and ofc you need some strats,just imagine literally any euroleague coach in nba with that much space in offense,and the offensive skills guys in nba have,there would be like 40 more points per game for sure
i think buddy got the suds
The suds 😂
I disagree with JJ’s rant that it’s not as simple as “we’re supposed to be winning”. The talent in Team USA overwhelms the other teams except for probably the Canadian team. With the talent disparity, they SHOULD be blowing out teams and not losing at all.
Serbia and Canada can level the talent of Team USA.
There are several reasons the world caught up to the USA in basketball.
1. They focus on the fundamentals. Doesn't matter if you're 5-10 or 6-10, you must know how to pass, dribble, and shoot. Whereas in the US, your 5-10, your a guard, your 6-10 your a center, so the guard never learns how to rebound and the center never learns how to dribble, they confine them in boxes
2. They have club teams instead of AAU, in Europe you can play pro as a teenager, playing with older and better people will elevate your game, but in the US they reclass 2/3 times so they play against younger kids which doesn't help development
3. They take pride in playing for their country. Overseas NBA players want to represent their country in international competitions. And they've been playing internationally for years. Whereas in the US its different players for USA every year, no team chemistry there
Imagine for a moment the old yugoslavia which had around 22 mill. Population consisting of nowadays serbia (jokic, bogdanovic), slovenia (doncic), croatia (bogdanovic), montenegro (vucevic) and multiply it by 15, so we have a similar size / pool to us. such a big yugoslavia woul beat every usa team in a 7 games series expect maybe dream team 1. reason woul be team-play and fundamentals. positionless basketball is btw an invention of yugoslavian school of basketball. there you didnt have a fix position till 16.
No excuses! The NBA is entertainment, refs make calls based on contracts and names on the back of the jersey. In fiba is called more evenly. The reality is nba has the most athletic players but not always the best players!
No America didn't even send it's best talent. Anthony Edwards and Tyrese Haliburton is all they had. And Haliburton was coming off the bench. Bad coaching played a part also. And both Edwards and Haliburton are extremely young.
@@dre7147”America didn’t send its best talent”🙄 this is exactly why the other countries are laughing at us because of dumbass statements like this
@@dre7147They still had the best talent (since they where ALL NBA players) and also the most athletic team, by a longshot. They still got outrebounded when it mattered. Maybe people should stop making up excuses?
Edwards is the best player on a top seeded NBA team now. And Haliburton is going to be an all-nba guard. Are you saying that should not be enough against a bunch of non-nba scrubs in FIBA?
jj huge fan, but please, if you can, the language is getting worse and worse! i understand the internet and trolls can be annoying and dumb etc. but the bad words are getting more frequent. if not, no worries you are a grown man and it’s your show but just a small feedback as again a fan/subscriber 😊
They also send their best players. We don't...till we lose...so when our best is out...yes we SHOULD be winning
Other Teams in the World Cup have only 1 to 4 NBA role players and Team USA are all NBA players, so the level of talent is not the same. Team USA is supposed to win. And by saying "we did not sent our best players thats why we lost" actually proves other Teams specially European teams are good since you admitted there you could not win without your superstars. You have to send your very best players just to win against teams which have only 1-4 NBA players. 😂
FIBA teams also did not send their "best" players like Serbia's Jokic, Greece's Giannis. Other Teams in the World Cup have only 1 to 4 NBA role players and Team USA are all NBA players, so the level of talent is not the same. Team USA is supposed to win. And by saying "we did not sent our best players thats why we lost" actually proves other Teams specially European teams are good since you admitted there you could not win without your superstars. You have to send your very best players just to win against teams which have only 1-4 NBA players. 😂
Team Germany only have 4 NBA role players and bunch of Eurolegue players vs. 12 NBA players.
@chriatiano7ronaldo they beat Greece by 20+. Last time USA lost to Serbia...joker played.
When USA sends their best they win. When they don't they lose. Simple as that. They can't expect to win unless they take it as seriously as the other countries.
Yall see how the Olympics go and then come back to me. I’ll wait 😂
I hope you realise how embarrassing it is y'all need to assemble a Superteam of the best Players in the World to beat Countries that largely don't even care that much about Basketball
@@TheMarslMcFly ah but if someone beats us it’s embarrassing too? Help me understand😂 We are the only country that isn’t allowed to send out its best players? You made my point for me when you said “super team”. The USA is and will always be the best, we are the super team
@@THEBAD654 clearly you're only a "Superteam" when you send Bron, Steph, KD, etc. Otherwise you would've won the World Cup with guys like Ant, Hali, JJJ and so on.
But as JJ said, the US values individual Stats over Team Ball. If the Team doesn't gel with each other not even the - quote on quote - "Best Players in the World" will help you anything.
Team USA is a manifestation of individuality and American Exceptionalism. And it's no longer exceptional.
I like watching European players, they have a different game which is great!
Team game > isolation game
Not that complicated really
It’s really simple. It’s easy to win when your A- squad is playing the USA C-squad.
Have you heard of: Jayson Tatum? Steph Curry? Anthony Davis? Kawhi Leonard? Bam Adebayo? Kyrie Irving? Jalen Brown? LeBron James?
I imagine that you think that the team game is going to win the Europeans a gold metal this summer too?
I guess you haven’t heard of them, have you? Don’t worry, they’ll all be at the Olympic in Paris embarrassing Europeans.
We gotta retool AAU basketball. Those mixtape days of Brandon Jennings, John Wall, MPJ etc are over, and it’s not making the American play style any better
Other part, that FIBA rules allow you defense, in the NBA there is no D anymore. When it was some, tha USA team won.
I've been watching both NBA and FIBA basketball for over 2 decades. In my opinion FIBA coaches have been consistently better..US coaching seems too focused on star player management.
I hate recency bias because we literally watched Kevin Durant practically win the gold medal by himself in 2021…but somehow the world caught up because the best teams they could possibly assemble beat our C Team, which was mainly Anthony Edwards…😂ok
The other teams actually play like a team. Part of it is more reps but the other part is that it’s their mindset. Not to mention how the NBA players have learned the game is too simple. They don’t play smart enough. In that sense, the older American generation is right about how these younger guys don’t play the right way. Plus it’s not like the players we sent out were bad, these guys are up and comers if not all stars. We shouldn’t need to send the Justice League of LeBron, Steph, KD, etc.
USA is going to be like England and the World Cup. Don’t take FIBA and the Olympics for granted. You may find that you can’t win any more.
We cant ignore the fact that the US has a population of 300+ million and Slovenia 2million. A combined European squad has plenty of talent, arguably more than the US.
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Yugoslavia should have a throwback Olympics. Couldn’t be beat.
D.Petrovic. Kukoc. Radja. Divac. Would be tough to beat for sure.
USA has won gold 16 times while Argentina with one gold being the only other current country to have ever won gold in the history of basketball in the Olympics .. rest of the world still has quite a bit of catching up to do lmao
FIBA World Cup is the World Championship of basketball and this is where the World Champion of Basketball is determined, not in Olympics.
@@cristiano7ronaldoTHEGOAT USA has the most FIBA worlds cups as well while sending out our lesser talent since the best care more ab the Olympics
7:00 this is the annoying thing Tommy does. JJ is in the middle of bringing something up and Tommy changes the subject. We are here for JJ not Tommy
Until the NBA sends its very best American players to tournaments and they are beaten, I don't think it is panic stations yet.
It just shows that the other nations have improved significantly to the extent that the US can't coast to wins anymore.
With the squad they are proposing to send in 2024 (seems like all the big players want to play), if the US doesn't dominate, then we can say the rest of the world has caught up.
Congratulations to Franz & Team Germany for the World Cup win from Australia, deserved champions, played solid team basketball.
Beat the Australian Boomers by 3 in the Group Stages. Boomers will be in the mix when we click - 2 wins against strong Team USA in 2019 & 2021 exhibition games.
Has the world realllly caught up to USA or are the top USA stars not playing in any international tournament besides the olympics ?
Again very disrespectful to international players. In the NBA today the MVP candidates are all international players!
The closests US player is Edwards.
Difference is euro players for instance they play for the team and have much better fundamentals.
USA are still the best country, but If yoy do a USA vs. World, tem World is probably the favorite. I mean, Giannis, Joker, Joel, Shai, Luka, Markennan, Siakam, Wembanyama...
Next American football? Olympic football?