I WAS VERY WRONG ABOUT THE 5800X3D... - AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review Revisit
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I picked up a 5800X3D a few weeks ago as an upgrade from a 3600.
It’s a huge gaming upgrade. Im lucky that I have a 3090 to unleash, but there are a lot of quality of life things the 5800X3D helps with, such as loading times and general performance in most apps.
@Liam Miller depending which monitor I use, 3840x2560 or 2560x1600. I don’t have any high refresh displays, but I tend to put a cap at 125FPS because that’s achievable by many of the games I play and it matches my G305 mouse pilling rate.
Cyberpunk 2077 obviously doesn’t reach high FPS with all the quality options, but Doom Eternal does even at 3840x2560.
One major upgrade was Control. That now rarely dips below 60FPS at native 2560x1600 without DLSS.
@@liammiller3688 definitely depends on the game/genre/engine/api. If youre chasing every AAA title youre going to have to step up to a whole platform/faster ram/clocks on newer cpu/chipsets. To me the cost aspect of that "jump" is almost equal to selling your 3090 down the road for a newer GPU for your high resolution needs since its not so cpu dependent. IMO thats a more cost effective approach, up until theres "leaps" on the cpu/ram/chipset end for that format/resolution that proves otherwise in the future. As others stated in async/vulkan or titles like doom frame caps are more ideal anyways or adaptive sync/perfomance aspects for image uniformity/clarity at 4k that would be my main concern. As someone with 4k build intents, or racing sim/Vr potentially. Which has its own cpu aspects i guess. DLSS3 though "simulated" frames do seem like a concept if youve ever leveraged frame buffer/raised cap in BFV as an example.
I have a Ryzen 5 3600 but a 2070 Super, will I notice a big difference if I upgrade to a 5800X3D? I am upgrading GPU's but not for another year or so
@@ThePalePatriot u may see some improvements depending on the game/engine/genre. Nothing super substantial. But you can yt some benchmarks with that cpu and GPU combo and compare it to yours. Or you can dl 3dmarks free version to test your system/score and benchmark a few games to see if the uploads offer you any data to cross examine. IMO if upgrading eventually to a newer GPU. The X3D on that board platform will typically be your best gaming option
@@anhiirr have a 3090 and a 3600x which I know is a huge bottleneck so I have the 5800x3d coming in today. Do you think that this new CPU will be a major upgrade (30%+ FPS) on AAA games max video settings at 1440p on 144hz monitor? Think RDRII, GTA V, SOTTR, Cyberpunk, etc?
Thank you for this video. We all make mistakes, but not everyone has the honesty and integrity to admit it and fix it.
I appreciate the kind words.
its a mistake to say this cpu is so good. i have a 5600 and its only 12 percent slower for almost half price.
@@maniaque37try VR in Fs2020 and say the same thing
@@maniaque37are you saying ur cpu faster than 5800x in this test
@@maniaque37 You're bottlenecking elsewhere. Did you even watch the fucking video you're commenting on?
I actually just switched from the 5900X to the 5800x3d and everything feels smoother and I fully saturate a 7900 XTX in 4K ultra
Man i did the exact same swap.. I cant discribe it but the smoothness is on a different level. Even in games where I dont get much more FPS than with the 5900x everything just feels smoother. I dont know why though.. maybe because of the 2 CCDs and possible latency issues on the 5900x? maybe the 90 mb cache for only one CCD makes the difference?! All i can say for shure is that the frametimes and 1% lows are much better.
@@_xradu3355Agreed, I was very tempted to also side grade like this guy but my 5900x can hit 4.95Ghz on the first CCD and 4.7Ghz on CCD1 with a -30 CO. OCCT only hits 67C and in Dragons Dogma 2 I only hit around 72C, with some good 3600 CL16 RAM I can hit around 3866 CL15 and be within 3% of the 5800x3D while absolutely destroying it doing anything productivity based.
@@_xradu3355 change your brain if you have money 😂
@@jd_punisher_It's the cache.
The only problem with that is once the cache is overloaded the data gets kicked back to your ram and then the latency kicks in.
Thanks for admitting to and correcting your number. I'm going to stay the 5800x3d world with my new computer build, as I don't think I'll need anything more ever, or for a very long time at least.
just checking out random reviews and came accross your channel this video got you another sub! Honest review and well presented sir!
A man willing to admit an honest mistake, gets my vote of confidence any day of the week.
Just found your channel, and I think this experience teaches many lessens to both you and viewers that hist the same or similar snag thinking the CPU is underwhelming.
I really appreciate you saying that.
Thank you for your honesty! I am looking to buy one and was on the fence as I would be keeping my current motherboard and wasn't sure if I should upgrade both. But I can update my BIOS for this CPU to work with it and seeing these numbers, seeing so many people happy with it has made me want it!
YES! Very important!
It should just be a plug and play swap. I forgot to update my MoBo before taking the old chip out and throwing it away (R5 3600).
I ended up having to buy a whole new motherboard that would support the chip right out of the box because my ASUS TUF gaming X570 didnt allow me to flash it through the BIOS.
You live and you learn I guess … lol
Wishing your channel growth!
I upgraded from a 5800X to a X3D with my extremely overclocked 6800XT(waterblocked, liquid metaled, EVC2SE overvolted max frequency) and in games like MWIII2023 I went from 170-215 fps to 230-350fps
in most games my old high is my current low and the new highs are much higher.
in the few games that gain no upper fps, they stabilize the lower framerates, makes everything smoother.
was well worth the upgrade.
was this in 1080 or 1440?
@@Halleiet 1440p
Praticamente sei passato da un 5800X ad un 5800X3D? ma visto che li hai avuti entrambi, conviene il passaggio? nel senso da quello che ho visto il guadagno massimo un 15 per cento in media, ma solo alcuni titoli, io ho un 5800X e mi chiedo sempre se ha senso fare questo Upgrade, oggi.
@@Laeyon warzone will be maxing out your vram n limiting your framerate, big map
I used to play mwiii, not warzone. Both are a mess now I play none
@@Micheleg7111 Mi dispiace farlo tramite Google Translate
Sì, sono passato da un 5800X a un 5800X3d.
L'ho fatto solo per via del tempismo, avevo il tempismo perfetto per vendere il 5800X di seconda mano quasi quanto avevo pagato per il 5800X3D.
il miglioramento sugli fps è stato del 15-30% a seconda del gioco.
ma ciò che è veramente cambiato e ne ha fatto valere davvero la pena è stato il 50-90% che ho ottenuto sui minimi dell'1%.
Fondamentalmente tutti i giochi sono stati molto più fluidi, la rimozione di qualsiasi microstuttering ha fatto sì che ogni gioco sembrasse funzionare alla grande.
just subbed because of this "revisit" video, you deserved more sub my guy.
3D v-cache is the real deal. Glad you retested and saw the light.
Great follow up video 👌
Just got a sub! nice vid, baby!
What i love about this cpu is that it can run perfectly fine on my cheap b550 asrock mobo i got for 120eur
I can keep my ram and play for another few years without doing a whole new platform change
Started with a x470 gigabyte aorus mobo(got it used for 70eur) and a ryzen 3 1200 for my basic pc. It provided playable framerates with my then current rtx 2070. Whole system was an open waterloop 2x360mm rads
Later bought a ryzen 5 3600X for 180eur for my 144hz 1080p monitor to provide the needed framerates
2 yrs ago i swapped to a B550itx board for a small build and upgraded to a RX6900XT. Same ryzen 3600X now coupled with a fresh gpu, both liquid cooled
New strat would be to get a good deal on a 5800X3D. That's a 5yr run on the same platform, same storage, ram etc. Only cpu and gpu changes.
Great send off for AM4
Great video ! I'm looking to upgrade for the 5800X3D once I'll have enough cash to buy a new gpu around the performance of a RTX 3090Ti/4070Ti. I think for 1440p it's going to be an awesome combo. I love how humble you are in that video, it shows great maturity from your part. Wish you the best in the future mate !
I just order a r7-5800x3d and currently run now r5-5600x with rtx 3070, I upgraded my GPU back then becuze of elder ring and now CPU for warzone2 xD
Great video. So glad I bought the 5800X3D, i need to remember that part you mentioned about kombo strike in my msi bios
If possible, try a -30 all core offset using curve optimiser. It improved performance and dropped temperatures on my chip.
@@Z4d0k kombo strike does that on the msi bios
Great video & info !
Thanks!
Just bought it as an upgrade from my 3600. Will probably be able to use it for the next 3/4 year with 1440p gaming
I finally upgraded to one and I’ve been loving it!
Upgrading to a 5800x3d from a 7700k so hoping to see some improvements! Only thing Im not certainon is undervolting on an asus dark hero 570x board..
Thank you, is nice to see international viewpoints. Also was curious what is the current cost and availability of electricity in your area?
Not sure about cost as that's included in my rent. When "loadshedding" isn't implemented, our power grid is similar to a developed country, but when the demand outruns supply then we have different levels of planned outages during every day.
I picked up a 5800x3d a month ago for $298 usd, and upgraded from a 3900x. I sold my 3900x to a friend for $150 and now I just need to upgrade my 2080 super.
The X3D shines in VR too. Frametime is king in VR (and lots of VRAM) and the 5800X3D slays it. Also very good in racing and flight sims. I play VRChat in full body and racing ACC and other sim racing titles every week. The ONLY reason I don't have this CPU is that I already own a gold sample 5800X. Will probably get it anyways tbh. $301 on AMZ rn.
This, it's halved my frametime and double my FPS in almost all VR titles coming from a 5600x (5800X3D & 3080ti)
Such an incredible chip
Yeah honestly I’d just get the 3d chip and sell your current cpu to cut your losses, makes upgrading way more enticing and sensible
Great video, really learnt alot form this video. Now I'm certain I would need to upgrade my CPU to 5800X3D. I rock a RTX 4080 with the Ryzen 1700x CPU. Been saving up to buy a CPU ever since. Been thinking if I should get the 5900X but from what you've shared its clear if I need to make maximum use of my RTX 4080 I should upgrade to the 5800X3D. I wonder if I can bottleneck the graphic card. I want to make maximum use for the money I've spent on this card.
I'm running a 5800x3d and 4080 at 3440x1440 and it's a great combination.
@@Z4d0ki have bottleneck with my 5600x in 1440p. How % video card usage do you have in games cpu demands?
Always happy to see people admitting to the error of their ways, and correcting them! Great character trait, and can only applaud it!
I'm Looking into Frankensteining my PC a bit do to lack of spendable income, and looking for info like I was building it from zero... semi clueless.
Got a Crosshair VII (wi-fi) which supports this CPU, but probably not ideal for it just like it isn't for my msi 5700xt GPU, hence me being a bit conflicted, if I should just stick with my Ryzen 2700X CPU OC-d with the 16GB 3200MHZ CL14 rams in this current form for now..
Or replace the 2700x with a 5800x3D in this set up..
Or Leave it as it is and save up for a new Board, faster ram, and the 5800x3D..
Any suggestions, maybe?
Appreciate the props, man. I'm not someone who feels okay just letting my mistakes end up under the carpet.
I'm not sure exactly what you're asking, but for great gaming performance a better card is almost always going to get you there faster and easier than upgrading the rest of your system. If after that you're still not happy with performance, only then should you really be looking at upgrading the rest.
@@TheTechTank My biggest concern is that a GPU costs about the same as a new motherboard + the 5800x3d + faster ram, and that even the current 5700xt card I have (PCI-e 4) is running in a PCI-e 3 slot.
Not sure how much PCI-e 3 is holding back cards that are meant for PCI-e 4, so It might not be worth investing in a better card until I have the right PCI-e slotted mainboard to support it to the fullest.
Do you have any information, or perhaps a video about the approximate performance hit that affects PCI-e 4 cards in PCI-e 3 Slots?
Or could you recommend a PCI-e 3 GPU that can preform better than the 5700xt can in a PCI-e 3 slot?
I personally upgraded from a 2600 to a 5800x3D with a 1070 just days ago and I think the CPU upgrade first was worth it. I was getting capped from just clock speeds, lacking multitasking cores or just not the grunt to do a lot I wanted, like smooth RPCS3 and less 0.1/1% drops, along with alleviating clear CPU bottlenecks a lot of games were hitting. I've noticed multiple games like Darktide, NMS, Deep Rock and more run smooth but more importantly, very few framedrops if any at all.
@@WTFuSTPD that mobo should be more than enough for this new cpu. I had it untll I got sick of my ones issues over time (idk how exactly but the bios kept on forgetting it settings every so often and WiFi was laggy)
Thank you very much for your answer!
Good video. Thanks.
Thanks for your honesty. That's why we love ya, bro! I just bought a 7 5800X3D and am now very glad that I did!
Appreciate that, brother! Enjoy that beast, it's going to treat you well for a loooong time!
I paired my 5800X3D with a EVGA FTW3 Ultra 3080ti and totally loved my results, that is after I did a mild under volting tweak...Only problem with this build ended up being that I had originally bought an MSI MAG Coreliquid 360mm AIO to cool the 5800X3D CPU and that AIO was then recalled due to clogging issues so, I went ahead and replaced the recalled MSI AIO with a Lian Li Galahad 360mm AIO which has also been recalled for clogging issues :/
And that's why I just use Air cooling, having something like 3 degrees more than 360mm, paying two times less, and after 20 years still no clogging.
Yes i see someone use air cool but still has low temp
I paid £55 for a 240 aio by ID cooling.
It keeps my 5900x at 60 - 70 while gaming and has never let me down.
No blockages, no RGB, quality fans supplied and a quality product.
@shakk85 That's great and all but, as for me well, I'm off of all liquid coolers for now...I mean just as I was going to look for another AIO replacement for the MSI MAG and Lian Li Galahad suddenly two more AIO manufacturers announced clogging issues with some of their models, not mention EKO's recent financial issues thus I really can't trust any of them with my 5800X3D but, instead I went with Deepcool's AK620 Digital
Build my PC in 2020 with these specs.
MOBO: x570s Aorus Master
CPU: Ryzen 3700x
GPU: ROG Strix 3080 OC
PSU: Corsair RM850x
RAM: G.Skill 32g (4x8) 3600mhz
AIO: Corsair icue H150i RGB PRO XT 360mm
I built that around the time the 3080 came out and just months before AM5 released. I don't regret it at all, the build has been absolutely golden for me. Recently upgraded to the 5800x3D chip as the first major upgrade to this system. I expect it to last me 3-5 years before I need to upgrade the CPU again. I'll probably end up getting a new GPU in 3 years though, maybe when the 5080s or 6080s drop.
I'm told the 5800x3D runs hot. My AIO can handle it apparently as I've been playing Baldur's Gate 3 at full ultra settings and both CPU and GPU didn't go over 70-80 degrees.
The AM4 platform still has at least 2-3 years of relevance left in it for gaming.
At least.
Great work boetie soos altyd, love you.
I stumbled across your channel by chance and you sir, have earned my subscription. You stand alone, unlike all the big boys with their millions of subscribers, who refuse to admit that AM4 and the 5800X3D is alive and well. That the emperor with no clothes or should I say the waste of money that AM5 boards, RAM and CPU's currently are, has yet to prove its worth to the average gamer.
Thank you, Ronnie, I really appreciate the kind words.
Would you recommend me to buy this this cpu for rtx 2070s or rather 7600x if im planning upgrading to better gpu like 4070 or 6900xt?
edit: rn im using 1080p monitor but with that future gpu upgrade that im planning i will be buying qhd monitor
Upgraded this week from a 3600 to 5800X3D. Wow what an difference.
I recommend anyone with this CPU do some undervolting. It can get you lower temps and higher performance at the same time.
Is it worth to upgrade from a 5800x to x3d? Just for gaming
Interesting video. It actually shed some light on what those of us with normal budgets will experience with these types of CPUs. Channels like Linus/hardwareunboxed / etc seem to exclusively test with 6950 XT/4090s which I suspect most of your audience including myself with my 4070 TI do not have.
On one hand I get not wanting a GPU bottleneck but on the other hand it doesn't really show what the average consumer will experience but rather the best case scenario for a CPU
But it showcases, what the CPU can really do, IF its not GPU Co...erm Clockblocked. ;)
Still a 4070Ti is a very powerful card, which exceeds the entire 3000series in performance in FHD and trades blows with the 3090Ti in QHD.
That will benefit greatly from a 5800X3D in many titles, if you're not playing exclusivly on UHD, which limits every card in the end, even 4090s.
But on something like the "new FHD" better known as QHD, the 5800X3D with a 4070Ti makes a very powerful combo, that it some games will r*pe the crap out of most CPUs but the newest and best.
In general:
Depends on your game.
In some, if not many, you wont see a big average FPS increase, if any at all, but you will see increased low FPS and more stable and smooth frametimes and sometimes even shorter loadtimes and co.
In some Games like ACC or iRacing for example, having a 5800X3D put in, literally unleashes Hell, even with something like a 4070Ti!
Some games literally get held back by their CPUs or the lack of Cache on them.
Or for Example in SotTR: my old 3700X (on a X570Aorus Pro with 32Gigs of DDR4 3600CL16) in combo with an RTX3080 Aorus Master 12GB @ QHD with RT enabled, ran pretty much entirely in CPU Limit, switching DLSS 2 Quality Mode on, reduced the CPU Limit to about 70%, with CPU Game fps beeing: 93min and 192max and average game fps 123.
Switching gears to the 5800X3D, with the rest and the settings staying the same: CPU game 167min 414 max literally adding about 2/3rds to the min and more than doubling the max!
While on top of that, adding an average game FPS increase to 139fps and the game suddenly becoming entirely GPU bound. 🤑
And when you go to online games, like WoW, ESO, SWTOR, STO..., you can also see vast increases in stability, especially in crowded areas and much less framedrops...with the games becoming much smoother to play.
@@wolfwilkopter2231 I know it's not quite the same thing, but I don't find my 3900X to be the bottleneck in most gaming at 1440p or 4k using a 7900XT; it really comes down to the type of games you are playing and the resolution. for me it would be a sidegrade, and it just makes more sense to hold that cash back to put into a proper platform upgrade.
@@spacechannelfiver
Its not a bad CPU per se.
The Problem is, that the 3900X has cores, but lacks the performance and clock increases, the 5000series has.
And the other Problem is, that there are pretty much NO Games, that can handle more than 8Cores well, if at all.
Also the 3900X might have already 64MB Cache, but that one gets shared between the 2 CCXs.
It may sound ilogical or a sidegrade, but upgrading the 3900X to a 5800X3D, would give you a Boost of about 15-20% in Raw Performance, as this is what its 5000er Advantage is.
And the main thing is, the L3 Cache sits on the one CCX and runs in FULL SPEED.
So depending o the games you play, as you say it, you may not see much improvement if at all, but even in UHD this could lead to an increase in some or atleast a smoothing out.
Still you're right tho with the 7900XT, you're mostly GPU Limited anyways as its slightly slower than a 4080 and UHD very demanding, so there would'nt be much of an improvement, other than in 1% los and frametimes for the most part.
So yeah with that i'd suggest to go AM5 instead of 'sidegrading'
If i may: Hardware Unboxed has some really good comparisons with the 5800X3D vs. others and newer available, you may find them very interesting and enlightening.
Went from 38xt to 58x3d with blocked 68xt.
Can concur. Where its fast it's ridiculous. 99% of time playing ACC it just caps my monitor 165hz/1440p Epic, race starts drop by 10-30fps rather than in half.
Great video. 👍And heads up. It's less "an error" from your side, but just shows the unprecedented performance range gear can offer these days, once you step above a performance level that exceeds "bare necessity level". And unintentionally, but gladly, you even showed another intersting thing i missed on other channels: If you look close on the Ryzen 3800XT - even that profits from a 3070 -> 6900 XT swap - and is on perfectly enjoyable performance levels. With either gfx card. Cool, because:
Gone are the times where you were literally forced to upgrade every 1-2 years, or overclock the bat-sh*t out of stuff, to stay above the "barely enjoyable" level, and be exited to get 5 FPS more, to be finally >60 FPS. "Can it run Crisis?" 😅
Because: fast forward another year - guess what a 5800X3D can do, paired with a 4090 (and not a "slow" in comparison 6900XT)?
Yep, add the gains from your og review to these results - another time on top of it.
Best combo i ever bought. Seriously. Since 40+ years of fiddling with PCs.
Framecap / g-sync it to your display (144 & 165 in my case) - and enjoy it never dipping below "buttery smooth" in any setting or resolution PLUS enjoy less power consumption than my GTX1070 from yester-yester-year in anything but the most demanding titles.
The 5800X3D is strong enough to actually tickle & drive the 4090 to reasonably high % of usage (and thereby is actually, noticeable, a lot real world faster than slower cards like 4080, 7900 etc.).
And at the same time, the 4090 is far from maxed out by even a 14900k or a 7800X3D.
Which means: I can enjoy years of blistering performance in any game or application, even those not even published yet, with high/ultra settings/real nice eye candy, on a super-mature, stable and troublefree AM4 platform. With an awesome 64GB 3600 ddr4 kit, multiple NVMEs... ample reserves in any respect.
So not missing anything, while easily waiting for AM5 to mature, likewise Intel to come up with some new trick. My Strix 4090 oc (and it's 600w power limit) can & will still profit from a 15/16900K or 8800X3D or Zen6 - likewise vice versa a 5090 or better - in case i feel the urge to get it.
So in a nutshell: the 5800X3D, now even well below 300€/USD, is even worth to be considered a good choice for a new build now. It can power any gfx card your wallet can afford, while needing well below 100W when gaming. No matter if AMD, Intel or Nvidia - awesome what they offer, awesome choices&combos possible for any wallet size - great times these are. 👍
Thanks for the vid! I've got 5800x3D and 6800XT. It's been a beast of a combo and I think I can play modern games for the next 5 years on 1440p.
IDK about that... got the 6800 xt aswell, probably gonna uprgade after 2 years. The 6800 xt has problems running UE5 games in 1440p already, imagine in a few years.
Yup, also got a 6800xt and probably 2 years max of longevity. By 2026 good but in 2027 not anymore. Planning on going 7900xt or xtx since prices are dropping and can still sell my red Devil 6800xt for $450 easy
Great review! Question: have you played with 5800x3D undervolting at all?
People online suggest using Kombo Strike on MSI motherboards, but there doesn't seem to be many recent videos covering the feature.
I'd basically like to get the chip running cooler, but also don't mind a small performance trade off. I'm not sure if Kombo Strike is the best method to achieve this?
PBO Tuner 2 should help you here, its just a littly piece of Software thats aimed at just that, undervolting the CPU.
Set it to a -30mV Curve or better if your unit can handle it, and you will have permanently higher or the highest boost clocks and the chip will run a little cooler.
To test temps in worst case: Prime 95 max heat test, nothing beats that, no not even Cinebench.
With undervolting applied, mx 5800X3D under a PL360Flux 30th AE AiO doesnt get over 80°C in Prime while sitting on top of my H500M above a 400watts GPU,
so it naturally gets a little warmer that way, but i wanted to keep my 2x200mm Sickleflow Fans in the Front.^^
@@wolfwilkopter2231 Thanks for the reply! I'll give PBO Tuner 2 a go.
@@WickedRibbon
You're welcome.
Btw: there are videos out there, giving you options how to more or less autorun it with windows start, you might wanna take a look.
But i dont use that, i'm just starting it, set the curve, apply and close it, it gets applied and runs with the set curve, till you shut it down or restart. 😊
Get a 5700x3d
how to reach bus speed closer to 100mhz on asus tuf b450? I had 5600 with 99.9 bckl and now 99.8 with 5800x3d...spreads peactrum off
i upgraded to the 5800x3d around the switch to am5, was a good idea. honestly i do this every time i upgrade, before i brought a 4790k when the 6k seires was coming out. only upgraded it 6 months ago. its the best option for most as you dont have to pay the premium for the new stuffa and you get the performance of high end equipment. current rig; 5800x3d with NHD15 (pbo2 --30 all cores), 32gb 3600 cl 16, 6900xt tuf oc - perfection
what psu r u using
@@xDSyko its a 880W from fractal design, you can get away with 750 for this though. only reason i changed iis i wanted a modular psu
Hi, I have 5800x3d with NH-D15 and Its not enough, I am getting 90c+ on 100% processor usage. I ordered Arctic Liquid Freezer II 360. I hope it will help.
@@ciculiacik2 ive personally never seen mine above 75 or 80c but ive got an atx case with high airflow as well as a steep fan curve on the cpu and exhaust fan behind the cooler. you may want to try pbo2 as this under volts the cpu meaning lower temps while keeping the same clock. may save you some money
Same like u but instead of 6900xt i have 6800xt, this best choiche for the moment
Hey sir iam a little late but i just got my 5800x3D and my Gigabyte 4070 Gaming OC is it good to pair it with Aorus b450 Elite ? thanks !!
Came here for purchase validation. I wasn't disappointed. Thank you. 🙂
Haha, I do the same thing! Purchase validation FTW!
I just upgraded to the 5600x. Looking to get a Rx 6800 gpu upgrade as well. Great video as always
Nice dude! That's a beast of a chip, and the 6800's going to pair awesome with it. And thanks!
Hey i have the same setup, but it's a normal 5600 with a big overclock on it which gets the same performance as the X ..
@@simaothekid200mhz isn't a big overclock lol
If you run the tests again with the resolution and graphics settings at their lowest possible values, you'll see even larger performance deltas between the chips. This is an *actually* proper CPU/system ram gaming benchmark that >99% of reviewers fail at, likewise a proper GPU gaming benchmark is at the highest possible resolution and graphical settings which >99% of reviewers also fail at. CZcams PC component reviewers are a truly inept bunch, although you're clearly on the much better side of things thanks to this presentation.
im running a 5600x oc 4850ghz i have a 650watt psu, if i switch to 5800x3d will i have to upgrade my psu?
I'm running my 5800X3D with 3600 CL 14 (I honestly see better performance IN SOME THINGS with the CL14 but what I'd like to see is how CL 14 and the enhanced cache impact SAM performance with AMD cards, too, because I think that might be where it really is since the latency is less important for X3D). I'm using a 6700 XT and those frametimes graphs are nice and smooth.
Great vid :)
I came to the same conclusion about the Ram sensitivity. I had the option of 64GB of 3600, or 96GB of 3200 (my old kit is 3200), and I decided to go with the 96GB, as the difference wasn't all that great, and I can use the extra Ram.
Im building a pc with 3060 TI and 5800X3D in the weekend. looking forward to the result
you wont gain much switching ram sticks the 5800x3d doesnt need fastest ram speeds....
Now I wonder what upgrade i should get for my am4 mobo which supports max 3200 rams
Nice video man. Thank you.
Currently running a 3700x with RTX 3080 Ti. Considering upgrading to 5800x3d.
Would it be worth it? Is my current CPU bottlenecking?
Stay safe :)
your 3700x will be a joke to 5800x3d if you play games at 1080p and even feel the diff when playing on 1440p, there is no point to not upgrade, I just have rtx 3070 and just oprder a 5800x3d when my 5600x is to slow in some games.
Great video. Considering going from a 3700x to a 5800x3d, because not currently interested in going AM5. GPU is 2080 (non super) and mostly game on 1440p (144hz monitor), with 16GB 3200 cl16 ram. Do you think the cpu upgrade would be worth it? Mostly playing Warzone 2 at the moment, and even though the opitimization is horrible, struggling to get 100fps with everything turned down. Tyia!
i think u will see good improvement in warzone with 5800x3d other games not so much i think
You will see an improvement but end up being GPU bound.
what setting do you use in bios settings? for normal daily use and gaming. pbo on auto ? or enable ? when you use pbo2 ? i am on master aorus x570s with bios F5 and 5800x3d. or you put it both and in bios and pbo2 ?
PBO advanced, PBO limits disabled, curve optimiser all core -30. If it crashes core optimiser -25 all core and so on till stable.
Thanks for the video I was very on line weather to purchase the 5800x3d or 5800x
I got the 5800x3d over a year ago now (from the 5700x cpu,) for $325USD. At the time I had a RTX 3070 gpu, and the results for 1440p gaming were extraordinary. This year, I got the RTX 4080 gpu, and the results are mind-blowing. For instance, in "Halo Reach" in settings, there's an option for "unlimited FPS", and I saw a 1,000 plus FPS at certain points, with the average being 300-600!! Yes, I am on a AM4 platform (MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard), but for what I use my computer for, which is primarily web-browsing, CZcams and gaming, I don't see the need to upgrade to AM5, because as you mentioned, it is pricey (not that the RTX 4080 isn't..lol!). Thanks for the video.
Why would you buy a 4080 to play at 1080p???? I truly do not get it. 4k is all you should play at, period.
@@jmangames5562 I play at 1440p high and ultra settings. What I reported about Halo is 1440p and quite true. I don't have a 4K monitor...yet, but on the way.
I got a 8700k all core 5ghz. is it worth in october 2023 to buy this cpu?
Did amd over tune this thing?
Why did you turn down the Graphics presets to medium etc.? There are plenty of games that have CPU-dependent detail settings. In case of the X3D Chips that can make a difference, because besides the larger cache they also have lower clockspeeds. The ideal way to eliminate GPU Bottlenecks would be a custom resolution of 16x9 pixels. You should choose the highest possible detail settings and the lowest possible resolution with a 16:9 aspect ratio. I have been using custom resolutions for this occassionally. Only changing the field of view (for example by changing the ar) has an impact on the CPU.
I just upgraded from a 3600x to a 5800x3d. It arrives tomorrow. I was getting serious buyers remorse - always do - so I’m going on a video binge to justify my purchase, and these videos are making me feel somewhat better that it’s a chip I can use for 3 years at least.
AM5 is just too expensive rn as gaming isn’t my only hobby, so hopefully it’s a good upgrade for possibly even longer. I play a lot of games like Arma, Total War, Paradox Games mostly Heart of Iron, Bannerlord, Stalker GAMMA modpack, all which have a lot going on with NPC counts or are CPU focused, so that thought is helping me deal with this crippling anxiety I get every time I upgrade.
If you owned a 5600x or 5800x and did not play sim games like iracing or asetto corsa comp, or VR games, I'd say stay put.
However, the generational leap( memory plays better, IPC gains, just snappier overall) between 3000 and 5000 is worth it, and if you are gonna upgrade yet stay on AM4 like me, then YOU MADE THE RIGHT BUY. ENJOY IT!!
@@silverfoxvr8541 I got my 5800x3d. Still major buyers remorse, but my FPS shot up in some games I play, like 50-100% on some, so I suppose it’s worth it as I plan to skip AM5 altogether if possible. Hopefully still using this chip in 2-3 years time, if not more.
My most played games are Arma, DayZ, Mount&Blade Bannerlord, Stalker GAMMA modpack, and Total War/Paradox games, so I’ve noticed a pretty big increase, and I’ve been playing lots of Cyberpunk 2.0 recently which hits the CPU pretty hard and it’s been flawless, and Starfield which…well, it’s been pretty flawless as well which says a lot considering how poorly optimized it is on some systems.
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I have a 5950x and have a 4090. Thought because I do art also the 5950x would help but im not sure. Maybe I should drop down to 8 cores 16threads? Idk if the 16cores 32threads helps art or not. I also used to stream on this pc but now I have dual pc so less need the 5950x. Some thoughts would be awesome
so I'm new to upgrading my pc and was going to get this chip so what is a good mother board and gpu for it I have air cooling as well so i just want it to work with no problems cause my pc is shitting out now and I use new egg to get all my parts this will be my last upgrade for a minute and my spending is probably gpu wise stuck at 3070
i know you see the error of your ways now, but you used ultra settings? another thing reviewers dont check is the x3d chips really seem to work well in multiplayer games.
Good video! I'm looking to upgrade from my 3900x and was wondering if I should go with the 5800x3d or the 5950x? I game on my machine and I also do production work (photo/video editing).
I would go for the 5950X. Won't be as good for gaming, but to me production stuff takes priority and the 5950X is phenomenal for that.
@@TheTechTank thanks for the recommendation!
I just bought it from Takealot for R7399, let's hope i did not make a mistake. my plan is to pair it with my RTX3060ti for now, my plan is to get the 7900xt in December.
Very decent price for a chip like this, definitely didn't make a mistake. Best value gaming chip you can buy right now, and a perfect match for any modern GPU.
I bought a pc with r7 5800x3d and rx 6800 xt , ist a good combo ? Do i need a watercooler or is normal cooler good enough?
It's a great combo, one of the top 5% of gaming combos you can get. With a 40-series or 7000-series card you could get even more out of that chip, but that's always going to be the case unless you buy the fastest card. Depends on the coolers you're using and the airflow of your case.
hey how are your junction temps on the msi 6900xt? i have the same card, well X variant. at 280W my junction temp hover around 90c while my average temp is 55-60c. was wondering if you have similar issue as it is known problem with the msi 6800/6900xt. also OC to 313W it jumped as high as 114.
Would this be a simple repaste? or a pad replacement as well for a fix.
much respect for this video
Much appreciated!
First video I have seen from this review. I really enjoyed the honesty and shows how good the 5800x3d is with the new gen gpus. I’m currently rocking a 5900x and 7900xtx. I’m thinking of changing to 5800x3d as I don’t want to change to new gen.
I wouldn't personally go from the 5900X to the X3D. But that's mainly because I also use my system for editing etc.
I’m along with him I have the 6950xt and the 5900x and I can’t really get past 90% max GPU usage and I think the 5800x3d should be able to max it out ?
I swapped to the 5800x3d and my 1% lows doubled in fps. The gaming experience is far superior and really enjoying it. Worth noting these gains are at 4k!!! My overall averages went up 20fps -30fps in the titles I play. I also ran a 15300 in r23 multi core which shows it’s a good chip.
@@sambryant2283I’m debating upgrading from my 5900X to a 5800X3D. I mainly game and stream at the same time but encode with my GPU, so I hope it doesn’t affect that much versus using a 5900X instead. The loss of 4 cores kind of hurts though. Amazon has the 5800X3D at 277 on sale.
how much faster is 5800x3d compared with i5 11400f ? GPU is same Asus Rog Strix RTX 3090
I just purchased the 5800X3D upgrading from my 3600 hoping the upgrade is worth it, I decided to stay on the AM4 platform as like you said above the cost of DDR5 and new motherboards cant justify the cost.
I also upgraded my 1080Ti to a 4070 but knew something wasnt quite right with the performance, hints why I decided to upgrade the cpu as well even though in most of the games I play they are GPU intensive rather than CPU intensive.
Man, you're making all of the right upgrade choices there. I think you'll be very happy with this chip paired with that 4070!
@@TheTechTank yeah after watching countless benchmarks I think I will be very happy with the upgrade.
My only main concern now is hoping the CPU won't be stuck to the heatsink again.. that is soo stressful 🤦
I just bought a 5800X3D for $263 total and will likely be selling a 5900X and installing it for $260 into a friends prebuilt with a 3900x currently. He does productivity tasks like music creation so it's a good deal for both of us. I only rock a 6900XT at darn near 4k resolution (5120x1440p @240hz) and I cap my frames to 238fps to always stay within the monitors freesync range. I just enabled curve optimizer and first tried negative all core -10 but then tested -15 and I get almost max boost on all cores during C23 multicore test. My score went up by around 600 points as well. I don't want to push it on voltage reduction as generally starving electronics of voltage isn't a great idea because it then stresses them as they pull more amps to compensate. So I'm thinking -15 is as far as I want to push it.
You should be able to get to -25 at least if not -30. The X3D chips are meant to have better silicon.
I have a 5700x and I’m thinking about upgrading now that I have a 4070 super.
I upgraded to 5800X3D from 3600 and the result was incredible. Much higher 1% and average FPS. I can finally enjoy some old simulator games that was completely unplayable with low fps before. Temp wasn't that high either, I idle in 30-ish range and gaming got to 50-60 degrees. I also stressed test the thing and got low 60s. All of this is still on AM4 and I get to keep everything else as-is
did you undervolt it?
@@tinrockS100 temps were decent enough so I didn't bother undervolting it
nice i just got mine and out the box it was near 90 playing mw2 but with undervolting i got it down to 75-80. But i am running an AMD Wraith Cooler until my other one gets in😂
What GPU do you have. I'm thinking about maybe upgrapding, but the 2080 Super might be a bottleneck
@@walluvalkama3927 it depends on what games and resolution you intend to play on it. I play older games on 1440p so my RTX 3070 is decent enough.
Hello, I have a 5600X + 1070. I want to upgrade to the 7900XT. Will I find a bottleneck with the 5600X? At a display resolution of 1440
You might run into a minor bottleneck in some games, but nothing you'll need to worry about.
Would you pair this with a "business" grade motherboard. I.e: one with ECC and AES256 encryption support. Even of the board is an A320i. Or would you chuck it on the way more gamer B450i. The A320i is currently paired with a 3200G and the B450i has a 2600x...
I'd ideally pair it with a 500-series board to unlock all of the features, but realistically any supported board would be just fine.
hola, que sería mejor para este procesador: 4x8 ddr4 3600 CL18 ó 2x16 ddr4 3600 CL16 ??
I'm still kind of torn between upgrading my 3900x to the 5800x3d vs the 5900x. This review was in 1080p but I game in 4k so with the 5800x3d still come out on top of the 5900x since it has more cores?
If you're mostly going to be gaming with your system then you won't need more than 8 cores for many years to come. And yes, the 5800X3D will come out on top of the 5900X at any resolution.
Would it make sense to upgrade from 2700x to either 5800x3d/5900x when I'm still using 1080ti as GPU? Would I still be limited by my GPU or is there gains to be made?
GPU limited.
I was hoping/praying for your review 🙏🏼 Do you think I should upgrade my 5950x? I feel like my CPU is not good for gaming… I’m not sure thou
Hey man! The 5950X is a great CPU for gaming. It's even better if you also do creative work with it on the side, but still. If you're unhappy with the performance you're getting out of your system, you should probably consider a GPU upgrade first. But. If you're okay with your performance, then just don't upgrade and stop worrying about the FPS numbers and just enjoy the game 😂
In all honesty 5950x isn't the best for gaming.
I have a 5900x and even with cppc, cppc preferred cores disabled, pbo limits disabled and core optimiser -25 I still get stutters and Frame time issues.
What about temperatures?
So what GPU would you recommend as the minimum to combine with this cpu? I have been looking to upgrade my CPU, but may as well upgrade the GPU while I'm at it (got a 2080 and Ryzen 5 3600)
There is no "minimum" in general, but I would ideally pair it with an RTX 4060 or better. For you, I'd recommend going for at least a 4070 or 6800 XT for a real upgrade over the 2080.
@@TheTechTank Never had an AMD graphics card before, but they do seem a bit cheaper. Might be enough to convert me considering I've had zero issues with the CPU haha
Do you think the ryzen 7 5800x3d paired with my 4070 will be good for gaming and streaming at the same time. I currently have a ryzen 5 5600x paired with my 4070 and it does well but not as well as I would like.
It'll definitely be a big upgrade from the 5600X, though if streaming's the priority I would personally consider going for a 5900X. Either way, If you haven't considered it already, I'd pop that 5600X into a dedicated streaming PC.
so meaning this test only works if you turn down the game quality right to make it cpu bound , is that right? that is what i understand
Yip, that's basically it. The whole point is to see how well the CPU performs, so the GPU performance should be removed as a factor as much as possible and this is one way to do it.
Hi , i have rtx 4070 and asus tuf gaming x570-plus motherboard but an older 3700x cpu i want to change. In my country 5900x and 5800x3d have similar price , just for gaming in 1440p what u recomend? thank you very much. Super nice video👍👍👍
Thanks Paul! If you're just gaming then definitely go with the X3D. The 5900X isn't as good for gaming.
Hey what cpu should i upgrade to right now i have 3600xt and 3060ti and b450m-k i play 1080p and only game on my pc
obviously you should get 5800x3d
I'm considering swapping my 5600x for a 5800x3d. They have them on sale at the moment at my local computer store
If you sell the 5600 to make up some of the cost it's going to be a great little upgrade.
I’m so glade I upgraded to this chip a month ago an I also got a x570s Aorus elite ax to go with it an I already had a asus tuf gaming Rtx 3060 ti an it’s not bad
Hi sir if Im building a new system what would be a better option to choose r7 5800x3d or i5 13600k/i7 13700k using it for streaming and workstation
More cores and higher clocks. X3D is only good for gaming.
I would like to upgrade my cpu and gpu.. what do u think is it s good idea to pair 5800x3d with a rx7900xt?
Brother it can use a 4090 at 90%+
Am I seeing this right but his original test settings were set to high but on retest he lowered the settings down increasing the fps? Can you to the test with the the same graphic settings?
Yip, seeing it right. Lowering the settings to alleviate the GPU bottleneck was the whole point of the retest.
My current build was put together right when AM5 was just coming out. I decided to go with a 5800X3D/z570 because it just seemed like a much better value.
Was and is much better value even now, great choice!
using a 5700x and rtf 3070 if I was to purchase the 5800x3d would it see a performance uplift????
Yip, you'll see an uplift.
i bought this thing and its been such a beast, i put my 5950x in my video editing pc and this thing went into my gaming pc and its been running great for every game at 3444x1440 max settings
I can't decide between 5900X and 5800X3D. Which CPU would you recommend for playing games at 1440p with RTX 4080? 5900X & 5800X3D can be found online for about the same price now
The 5800X3D is going to be better for gaming at all resolutions.
I got a 5800x3D and 6800xt coming Friday was wondering if they pair good with ASRock A320M/ac motherboard or should I upgrade ?
Oof... Not a board I'd pair with those parts, but if it works it works. If you do run into any issues, the board is probably going to be suspect #1.
@@TheTechTank I put the wrong board its a ASRock A520M/ac so far no issues thoo
There wasn't much change interms of cpu's from a 20 year old to a 30 year old during the past 10 years.
You have my respect sir.
I appreciate it.
I passed over this CPU for the 5900x, thought I was making the right choice, but now I'm seeing how good the 3dx cache is. I wish I had gone with it. Next time
My situation is the opposite of yours. What you gain in gaming performance you lose in literally everything else when it comes to the 5800X3D. I do love it and it’s all I need but having a 5900x means your pc boots faster, programs launch faster, 1% lows are better, and heavy cpu workloads run much faster. A double edged sword. Not to mention an overclock.
@@choosey8057 I'm currently trying to decide between 5900x and 5800x3d, and I can't seem to make my mind up. 3dx cache vs more cores and threads. GPU wise i'm still on a gtx 1660ti, with a planned upgrade to a 3070ti. I have no idea what would the right choice be lol
@@VrrVolcano Definitely 5800x3d. Massive FPS gains over 5900x and isn’t that much slower for other processes. I would only recommend 5900x if you have to move large amounts of data on your computer like editing videos and transferring files across drives. Other than that 5800x3d is the way to go I promise you won’t regret.
@@choosey8057 I'm kinda leaning towards the 5800x3d myself, because objectively speaking gaming is the most CPU intensive thing I do. But thank you for your input anyways :)
I have a 2600 whit rtx 2080 and I'm thinking about upgrading my cpu. I don't know what to pick between a 5700x or 5800x3d. Can someone help me? Thank you.
if you game and you can afford the 5800x3d then go with the 5800x3d
i'm using my pc for my work programing web application and for gaming
This CPU look pretty cool but i'm care if this CPU have good performance using dockers, programing in diferent lenguage and use WSL
I'm know for gaming if so insane the good performance, but don't found a good review for the result in work environment :( any one know ?