Truthscript Tuesday: Women Pastors, Moving to Red States, and Tyranny
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2023
- Jon shares articles from Truthscript concerning whether there's a biblical category for women pastors, the trend to move to red states and what opportunities might exist there for the Gospel, and the Christian response to tyranny.
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Well reviewed as usual! Thank you very much! GmaJo 🙏🏻❤️
I was raised as a Baptist from VA. Yes, I was Southern Baptist. Still pondering. As a young adult woman, I was totally in support of all jobs being for women, even in the Church. Per Susan White's article. I too had a change of heart, in my 50's. Maybe it was age. Maybe it was because I read and studied THE BIBLE with more diligence. I chose to follow THE WORD OF GOD.
May I ask where in VA?
Such stories are common - would love the occasional one about people realizing the beauty of division of social roles and of hierarchy from an early age, instead.
Can it be that "cultural christianity" is just what being a city on a hill looks like? I am blessed to live in a red state, a socially conservative county, the Bible belt. It concerns me to see the progressive agendas coming in, mainly through the schools, but now from an influx of blue state residents fleeing to our little state. Thank you John for reminding us it's the perfect opening to share the goodness of God.
Christian Culture is the light emitted by the candle. You can't put the candle under a bowl to block out all of its light and expect the candle's flame to not go out.
Great job bringing some 4th of July liberty celebrating content. A lot of people now do not say Happy 4th of July. We must not forget how precarious this greatest experiment in personal, God-granted liberty is in our nation. We are an anomaly of sorts in all of human history.
thanks for these Jon! Excellent
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Is it like when some churches take a clear passage literally spoken from God's mouth "THIS IS MY" and in their human wisdom change His word to "this symbolizes"?
I love your channel! Thanks for your work!
Or when the Bible says "Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated(Rom 9:13). Or When the Bible says that GOD has mercy on whom He will and whom He wills He hardens.(Rom 9:18) Or when the Bible says that GOD of the same lump makes one vessel unto honor and another unto Dishonor(Rom 9:21) Or when the Bible says ungodly men were of old ordained unto this condemnation(Jude 5)Or when the Bible says that GOD Hates the Workers of Iniquity(Psalm 5:5)
Perhaps we should take the Bible Text as it stands
Amen brother! I love seeing cold blue hearts from the north soften to the gospel in the south, I was one of them ☺️ and raising our kids in the south despite having no family or friends here
My parents did the same after my father retired from the military. They chose not to go back up to the northeast and raised us in north west Florida. Good decision for your family.
@@Epic_Shotz Robert Breaker has a church in that area! Check him out, he is a Godly preacher that you will love, my husband and I were stationed on the Florida panhandle several years and miss it a lot
@@Epic_Shotz Robert Breaker CZcams channel is awesome
What is the music in the intro/outro?
Blessed to have found your channel, Jon!
Watching from New Zealand 🇳🇿I follow Calvin Robinson and saw your interview with him. Now I’m subbed thank you for a great channel 🙏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Mike Winger has an *extremely* in depth look at Women in Ministry. He digs through the scripture and the scholarship. He still has 2 episodes left.
Really enjoy and appreciate truthscript tuesdays! Keep it up and praying for more exposure … this is excellent!
Is TruthScript going to cover “The Sound of Freedom” movie, or are you holding off on supporting it because it’s the story about a Mormon? I noticed that TGC and CT hadn’t mentioned it so I started looking at other sources and noticed you guys hadn’t said anything about it yet… just curious? No judgement if you don’t choose to cover it.
Jon, think of July 4th as taking a long, hot shower washing the gunk off. Happy 4th!!!
I loved the music!
Jon , we have cowboy churches in Virginia
JP Sears is from San Diego.
he lives in Austin TX now
Jon mentioned a website a while back... maybe a year ago even... that had some 50 or so plots of ground someone bought and was advertising to Christian families to build Christian community.
anyone remember that? i can't find it :(
Hey, Jon, I'll take this one for you. Blue areas are not merely dumpsters, they are what one puts into dumpsters and then incinerates to destroy the contagions therein.
On Susan White’s post, it really is obvious from even just reading the bible, isn’t it?
I think the Bible belt could go help some, but not long ago there was a word about God's judgement coming on the Bible Belt. I thought it was for indifference, but i believe it has to do with wokeness creeping into it. Its shocking how many "LGBTQ friendly" churches and new age you find in remote areas of Tennessee and Virginia and elsewhere . Va Beach once considered a buckle in the belt is a haven for wicca and new age. We must pray for the region.
Cowboy church sounds cool to me. There are churches that often have one particular culture inside. For example they’re churches out there for metalheads and punks. The one I saw was biblically sound.
You need to get a 1611 authorize version Bible
Somebody recently accused me of being “so patriotic” simply because I am so fond of our country and the celebration of our nation’s birth.
I see it as merely being an “American” in the sincerest sense.
Our country is not without its flaws and sins, as is any country, but God has certainly done something wonderful here and for that I’m grateful.
These are some great articles that you highlighted here, Jon.
Thanks for adding your commentary. 🇺🇸
There is no such creature as a woman preacher !
Jon, we are losing the Bible belt culture.
I opposed the C19 vaccine for my own reasons and HIPA. NOT b/c of religious reasons. I don't understand how that was a religious issue as a Baptist. People should have the right to oppose any shot for any reason not matter religious our not.
Paul wrote his commands for Christian living in a completely pagan context...and he never said to flee to areas more favorable to the faith.
To be the salt and light, you will have to be around those who oppose the Gospel. We all need to be a witness, no matter which area we live in.
May the LORD bring this land to repentance.
akadwriter: No, I would not stay in a pagan State if I am raising children. There are plenty of people to evangelize to, where ever we live. Praise to those that remain in pagan states in order to transform the state, But, godspeed to those that leave. Leaving should never be considered running away, cowardly or ungodly. First and foremost is our relationship with God, and then welfare of our family.
@@sheilasmith7779 Which states are NOT pagan?
@@akadwriter If you do not understand "degree," no one can help you.
No one is claiming there are places without any atheists and pagans. But anyone with 2 brain cells can discern the difference between life in Hungry and life in the U.S. One is predominantly Christian, and the other is not.
Our first obligation, after our duty to God, is to protect our children.
Common sense directs us to move our family where the DEGREE of infestation is less.
@sheilasmith7779 Your ad hominen insults say it all. Of course we should protect our family. I never said we should not.
Again, the issue is Biblical fidelity. Which NT Verses explain the importance of where we physically raise our children??
@@akadwriter Please quote my ad hominem statement. Please quote my insult of you.
You initially challenged my position to move out of pagan states to protect you family, by asking what states are not pagan.
You know full well if you have 2 brain cells, exactly what I meant.
As Christians we should know the point at which we wipe our feet and leave the state.
If you or anyone is deliberately misstatng another, or implying an untruth, you do not deserve respect.
Again,name the ad hominen.
The Scriptures say a pastor should be the husband of one wife. No women preachers. God said it
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
According to Scripture, the GIFT of Pastor IS NOT the same as the OFFICE of Elder. Women can be Pastors. Women cannot be Elders. Elders are only to be men, and are appointed to Rule the Church. Pastors can be women, who are themselves submitted to the Elders.
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
I have been a United Methodist my whole life. Frankly, the women who have been my pastors have been better than the vast majority of men who have been my pastor.
We once had a married couple who were our pastors. He was the better preacher. She was better at pastoral care. They made a great team.
Let's remember that after the Resurrection, Mary Magdeline left Judea and started preaching the Good News in the Jewish communities in Roman Gaul, now southern France.
Where did you read that about Mary Magdalen?
A fable
Some believers have other legitimate reasons and biblical passages why they think females can be Pastors
We have heard this supposed biblical case for women pastors and it's no more impressive or persuasive than the purported biblical case for homosexual sex. In fact the latter is closely modeled upon the former.
@@conceptualclarity
I suggest my short and free essay on Deborah.
Men and women are perfectly equal spiritually.
She was a pastor, according to the scriptures.
This is how the Judges are described in Chronicles.
To say a woman can be a Judge over Israel, but a woman can't be an elder in a small church, just doesn't make any sense scripturally.
Reject women pastors (common sense) but endorse women authors?? lol wth
jackblack496: Women can/will carry the truth as well as men.
Women can and will speak and write the truth, without being pastors. Truth is truth, where ever it comes from.
1 Timothy 3:2 - Pastor has to be a man?
NRSVue - Now a bishop[a] must be above reproach, married only once,[b] temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher,
Titus 1:6
NRSVue - someone who is blameless, married only once,[c] whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious.
Sorry, but at some point you will have to tackle Bible versions....
“The NRSVue extends the New Revised Standard Version’s (NRSV) purpose to deliver an accurate, readable, up-to-date, and inclusive version of the Bible. It also continues the work of offering a version as free as possible from the gender bias inherent in the English language, which can obscure earlier oral and written renditions.” Please use a bible translated with less obvious bias.
@@ab-gail "Please use a bible translated with less obvious bias." --- So Bible Version matter. My point.
Here is what the Tyndal has to say.
Titus 1:6
“6 If any be such as no man can complain on, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, which are not sclandred of riot, neither are disobedient.”
Paul was concerned about spiritual maturity, not chronological age. We know this because he exhorted Timothy to exercise eldership at a young age and to not let anyone use his youth against him. It is also clear from his milk/meat metaphor. It is thus clear that there were women elders that many explain away as "old women" such as in Titus 2, but he would not assign a teaching role to someone who is old but not spiritually mature. It is mature believers teaching those new to the faith, and both men and women new to the faith must be taught to love and subject themselves to fellow believers for harmony of the community out of reverence to Christ (Ephesians 5, especially vs. 21). The problem with this woman's article is that she doesn't acknowledge the female leaders she listed as elders - or those who are spiritually mature, yet they had to be to do the work that they did. And indeed, the passages on qualifications of elders contain the term "likewise women" or "in the same way", which means women have qualifications from those passages, especially to being deacon - that is indisputable since it matches Pheobe's title and the charge for the church to help her in whatever business she has. We can only conjecture what her business was, but it was important enough for Paul to commend her. The passage about silence is not a forever command, but rather, in keeping with the message of the whole passage, instructions for women to be self-disciplined and not talk over those speaking other people so the order of service is maintained. We know it is not a forever command because Paul refers to women praying and prophesying in church. Those that misuse this passage to say women must be utterly silent, go against Paul's instructions on worship, and indeed some churches will not allow a woman to sing a song, read scripture, or offer a prayer when gathering because they take an absolutist position that it is out of harmony with Pauline theology. In the modern era we have seen women speak and witness publicly, especially missionaries who take on significant risk and role to further the kingdom. I can speak to the passage on women not having authority, but want to keep this brief. One thing I do know is that Jesus said the harvest is plentiful but workers few - and therefore we must be careful about taking believers out of ministry and evangelism, such as women. I have not settled in my own mind about lead pastors and I don't intend to respond to angry commenters (this is also counter to Paul's instructions, 1 Tim. 2:8).
Thanks for your thoughtful response. You've clearly thought about this subject. I'm a woman who has seen women pastors, such as Joyce Meyer and Beth Moore weaken the Churches they lead with emotional sermons almost totally "me" directed. I used to watch Joyce Meyer and thought she was good until she steadily became self centered rather than Christ centered. Look at all the mainline churches that have divided or become almost obsolete, women pastors! Phoebe was a deaconess of her own household church so yes, she organized and probably had money to support the disciples. But when she wanted to confront a brother in Christ she did it with her husband in private. Women can lead but not in leading a Church. I'm struggling with this view as I've been called a sexist in the Pentacostal church I attend. They also don't listen to me about music ministry using more biblical Christian songs. I'm about ready to walk out the door!
I’m not seeing how what you’re pointing out here in scripture means there should be women pastors or how thinking they shouldn’t be somehow means they won’t serve at all considering women can be deacons and that they can teach other women in church among other things. Not to mention the great commission usually happens outside of church. Still, thank you for the measure response. Unusual but welcome.
@@KM-zn3lx I think you have mixed up Phoebe and Priscilla. It is Priscilla who corrected Apollos' knowledge of scripture and he went on to be a great evangelist. Also, it is eisegesis to use your observations of modern speakers issues and read them back into scripture. There are plenty of problematic male speakers. In fact, a characteristic of end times is male false teachers and naive/weak women (see 1 Tim 3). Spirituality maturity was and always has been important for women.
@@ab-gail Thank you for the comment. It was written because of the scripture that the Trusthscript writer used to justify her new position, which this video quoted. If the scriptural proof is lacking, then the writer's point has not been proved. To the point: Pastors and deacons are elders, and some interpret pastor and elder as interchangeable terms. Paul encouraged people to use the gifts given by the Spirit toward the edification of the church: "26 What then shall we say, brothers and sisters? When you come together, each of you has a hymn, or a word of instruction, a revelation, a tongue or an interpretation. Everything must be done so that the church may be built up." 1 Corinthians 14. The term "adelphoi" (brothers and sisters) is typically used as inclusive of women and it indicates typical worship activities of the early church. Scripture must be consistent with scripture and so we must address the inconsistency of an absolutist view with this guidance. That's why it is an important discussion for the church. The writer, and this channel, believe in the silence of women and thus exclusion from these worship activities.
@@elibennett6168yes, thank you.
The "some" list (pastors, evangelists, teachers, etc) was it directed at men only or were women given gifts also? If so, were the use of their gift limited to teaching only other women and children? If limited, then how were these gifted women preachers/teachers operating in their gift?
I, for one, am not strictly of one camp or the other. While I've witnessed some (very, very few I might add) Christian women as having more wisdom and understanding and knowledge than the pastor I cannot say I would be 100% comfortable with them taking over the pulpit.
However, there have been many (too many imo) pastors who I believe should either have never been allowed in the pulpit OR should have been removed from it until further maturity in their personal lives and knowledge of the scriptures.