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Everyone is so set on watts and Ohms. But they forget the driving force. Amps and volts.
I've run quite a bit of stetsom on some "smaller to medium" builds, several of them actually. Ran Stetsom myself for a year, nothing but abuse, never once had a problem. Stetsom is used by Alan Dante. I would recommend from personal use, and from also seeing them perform well in the wildly variable usage range from different users. Solid for me so far, as well as Taramps.
I'm subbing, I know damn well this channel will learn me something! 😂
That said I swapped it out for class a/b and class d, and am happy with the Korean amps.
Stetsom bravo 8k is the new wave for a true Brazilian bass amp. I think it does rated at 30hz and is not for mids and highs unlike most Brazilian amps excluding the bass additions. That would be in my opinion close in comparison with Brazilian and Korean.
Awesome video. Even with the noise I still heard you and there was funny moments in a serious video. But fr this video very helpful cause I went with a soundigital 12k. After I watched Steve mead test it on his bench. He put so much juice thru it that it would make the wires jump. Crazy crazy power for a full bridge amp.
I love my salt amps. I had 2 Salt4s for almost 2 yrs at half ohm each on a 90ah cmax no issues ever. Now I got 2 Salt8s and building a 195ah cmax going on 3 RS Teams. In a 94 Caravan
3:56 the way you looked had me thinking he was out of control and coming your way. Keep up the good work my guy.
Jerry . I see what looks like a cmax bank their ... i found you by one of your headway videos . Im fixing to build a bank of the new lishen 8.5ah 25c cells . I find your videos very informative because your real . Your not out here with a blank check buying the most expensive shit and sounding good . No your building your own shit on a budget like us normal folk do . With that said iv been hitting you on your diod trick on a bunch of videos . You said it worked on your Chrysler. Man please let me know . Im fighting tge dame ecm voltage control. 13.9 when its 75° outside. I want 14.4-14.8
I remember when taramps was so bad at first we had to build a faraday cage around them to keep the emp they emitted from messing with all the other electronics in the car,boy they have came along way
6:08 😆 because they put out more at lower hz. I know you don't like stetsom but the bravo 8k is the new wave for Brazilian's full range answer to American bass .
The original smart amp might be the Rockford power cpbd amps .
Love the videos, real life is better than a studio IMO. 👍 Indoors or out, keep them coming
You can pretty much do anything at bridge amp. Vblock, fixed rbb and a lot of pathing variations works for bridge. I usually float my AAs individually if I find the right spots.
I have a Deaf Bonce 7900.1 and I'm certainly not upset with going with it. Now it is the 1st time I've ever went FB design. I've always preferred Korean but I'm like Jerry and been a basshead since the mid 90's. I also snagged a China made sundown Sfb5000 for half price off a guy that ran it for 2 months and then went to a salt 4k. I have yet to power it on. I just got it yesterday. 👍 Plan on messing with it this weekend.
I was just a waiting on you to come out with a channel.Now can you do a video on double wire inputs on your amps.
Jerry may not be loud but his bass road is 😆 I kid I kid. Love the videos mane!!! 😎👍
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@@JerryAintloud keep them coming, you're doing great 👍 with the vids!
I actually had a comment conversation with barevids about the dirty terminology. It's just a saying based the difference between the two designs at reccomended hz. With that being said there are plenty of American amp repair specialists that support the term dirty power when pertaining to the full bridge design. It is understood the test applications of Brazilian amps with THD, efficiency, and etc., but the one thing these dynos don't show is real world. Any Brazilian can function at 15hz, but can it at any given time produce rated power at the range? Or will it be as efficient as the Korean boards (half bridge) at that same hz? Answer is no! There just not designed to hence the specs indicate 80hz for most of these amps. Despite what you call it whether dirty, clean, or whatever there's night and day difference in the performance of the designs. Understanding the the amps i completely agree. If you running Brazilian take in consideration the loss in power on lower hz and go bigger to accommodate this loss on subs. Mids my opinion Brazilian is the no brainer. Highs I'd say AB design is the cleanest over Brazilian. Brazilian amps are great all around amps, but not best at any one thing hence the reason to be acclimated in any car audio environment. The so called dirty signal most people wont even notice it so it'll never be a significant game changer, but for the one tbzt that do, well we tend to lean Korean for subs. And barevid didn't tell me that! Just experience out here in the real world away from the computer trusting my natural senses. Apologize for the long comment Jerry, but just my 2 cents bro. I enjoy your videos and bass on. AND OH FORGOT TO MENTION I CHECKED THE DB DRAG RECORDS FOR THE PAST 5YRS AND DIDN'T SEE TARAM🤔
That intro was great, ha!
I have listened to a few of your talk videos now.. great content and I'm officially subscribing. thanks.
Awesome, thank you!
Doesn’t really know the basic fundamentals. .8 and 1.2? Close enough what the fuck
Great Video Jerry.
Great video!!! Please keep up the awesome content!!!
KUDOS, smart for the win,, what i had figured out , and went with smart 5 bass, i have run taramps amps
for 3 years now no issues
Love the kakarot short bro!!
i'm a huge Dragon Ball Fan...
@@JerryAintloud me too!! Bass and anime all day boi
I got lucky and found a like new JL HD1200.1 at the pawn shop for 200. It looked like it had never been used. It checked out at home. They didn't know what they were selling.
@crawfishbuffett665 I thought the same thing it dont work or stolen. The older guy said after I paid, enjoy that amp. It's been working flawlessly.
I tell ppl all the time taramps ain’t dirty not power hungry and have very good sound quality, they always just laugh at me, I’m just like ok keep paying more for less then
Thanks for the content!!! I'm proud owner of smart 5k it does great but the 4 svr 15 takes a beating from it too haha
Price is definitely a huge factor in taramps style Amps popularity. They give out tons of power for cheaper than Korean. It’s just that for me. If I had an extra 1000$ I’d probably go Korean. But I’m happy with my smart 5k.
Yeah they don't know much in them groups, like you having your amps strapped is technically full bridge, Full bridge works the same exact way as two half bridge amps, full bridge arent power hungry they only use half the rail voltage split between positive and negative speaker terminals which basically just two amps one running each terminal one push and the other pull, on taramps the crossover are very sensitive and have a steep roll off and limit the lows going active with crossover off on the amp and use a dsp or crossover on the deck the lows will wake up because the fact the amp is only amplifying the signal and not modifying it any, and your right smart amps are killing the game and what I love about them they dumb proof as in they wont allow you to clip when you clip they will turn down the gain internally along with helping with impedance rise the smart 5 1 ohm model puts out more at 2ohms (6k) than 1ohm(5k) to get more power when you rise at 86% efficiency and at 12v now that's impressive
Thanks for the video sir im running a 8k taramps on two sundown xv3 12s and never heated up the coils? 370 high put alternator and 8400 amps of battery resivor full tilt 14.6
i love the taramp i run in my setup the original amp i ordered with my deaf bonce sub wan their matching amp... well it died about 2min after plugging it in. ordered a taramp a few days later an haven't had a single issue.
The fucking disclaimer, "I am not responsible for you blowing your stuff up" 😂😂😂
I run JP amps and love them
You need to be on monster mean bean coffee brother 🤪,star bucks for real? Jk, keep them subs subbin and them tweets tweetin.
I fn love this vid. Thanx J 😎
Can you do a video of how to run wiring from doors to the rear of a wall build.
Stetsom not a bad amp it’s just that line wasn’t made for the dyno in the past Taramps was burning 🔥 on the dyno too Stetsom ok but Powerus is the most solid Brazilian amp out
Place ain't that bad Jerry just keep rollen. Bass on
Just putting it out there as an FYI...
There's a reason for 6:08, and Sam's not going to say why.
I love it. They won't hear this truth. Just pretend it doesn't exist, but stetsom heard it
@@Mr.NpK143 What about the Taramps Bass line?
@@marcusstreater8409 depends on what you're looking for out of your system 😉 in my opinion
About to connect my Taramps Smart 5 here soon. I decided to get the Smart to help with power after impedance rise and because of the efficiency. Only issue I'm having is deciding how to hook up my RCAs with the Taramps only having a single input.
I have six smart fives I just plugged both in they r the same even if one says in and out, they r both the same internally I have a cock box now and I just run single rca into each and adjust gain for voltage drop without issue
Just connect one to input or use a Y-splitter at the input.
just plug the one rca into the input and leave the extra tucked away somewhere with electrical tape covering the contacts. theres no reason to use a y splitter, the rcas off the headunit are paralleled internally so you dont lose any input voltage when using only one rca. i have a smart 5.
I use a monster cable y splitter just so i can use all the rca wire current. Not sure if it helps or not but makes me feel better
I thought the Chinese amps people going crazy over are Chinese fullbridge not half bridge am I wrong like sundown sfb amps
Ya boi my pyramid pb680 made my p3's exurt killer had stong lows sexy output, but with my mono blocks i truly do see the difference in power/output, as well tho im talking based on my situations of most my life, haveing just the rockford pre ported prefabs tuned to 34hrtz or so
A guy at a car audio place was like holy shit im suprised that amp is even pushing as hard as it does.. im like look at the specs.. obviosly specs gunna change but shieettt it was rated 400x2 bridged it was sexy.. i do have two of them. Just waitin till i can actually put it in on some more subs.. or doors
And the pb 680 it has a vu meter on it like shiet its golden i think pyramid is chinese im not sure tho..
@@TheSpazzattack95 some of the older pyramid amps were Korean
@@JerryAintloud oh snapp
@@JerryAintloud through my learning of science shit through sound engineering/ electrical engineering i came across "what a crystal oscilator is or commonly known crystal phase. So if it was to be just a pyramid amp i think its straight all chinese but if u now add the "crystal" (crystal oscilator) well shiet now thats upped the game thats as crystal as ur gunna get that circuit to "shine". So wen it says crystal series i am thinking its good and able to output what the amp did due to the crystal oscillator component inside. Rather! Then it being sum shitty old oscillator. Shiet tho i found that really neat as to ppl just wanna bash "shitty" "low end" brands.. like everything most the time theres a top of the line inbetween or absolute dog shit ahah xD. Tho if u see crystal on that bish uknow its gunna be minty!! Well.. i do as to i understand it, do u understand it or know of crystal oscillators?
New md12k is .5 stable and warranted at .5
Do you touch your leads together and subtract the resistance of the meter and leads. Or does your meter zero out.
my meter zeros out.. it's not super high end but it's not cheap also
Ain't all big amps power hungry.hell big amps pull big current🤪
@Travis Hamler just a general term ,or way to explain inefficiency
@Travis Hamler who are you arguing with?bottom line is most amps over 5 k pull alot of current,yes Amps are different by design Brazilian or Korean .I don't know everything but over a 30 year spread of continued learning ,power hungry is a term when explaining low efficiency.
@Travis Hamler have you considered amps class as well
@Travis Hamler 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣bro calm down I was just trying to be helpful this is why us old bass heads Left the scene , experience is king seems like it's folks like you we avoid like the plaque ,I don't need a class on shit I've known since the 80,s,thank you though have a good one.
@Travis Hamlerwho am I ? The guy you don't want to know now!!!!!and yes we all know who barvids (Sam) is ,he does have a wealth of knowledge.and just Google what does power hungry mean in an amplifier 😂😂 wow
I watched a few of your videos and you recommended a charger from Amazon. Can you please let me knownwhat it is I'm looking for. I've been searching your videos and can't find it again. Please help me. Thank you.
www.amazon.com/Supply-Variable-Adjustable-3Digital-Display/dp/B09DPL2V8T/ref=sr_1_49?crid=2EZBFTFN0H577&keywords=lab+power+supply&qid=1668693451&sprefix=lab+power%2Caps%2C113&sr=8-49
Where did you get your enclosure bracing? Thanks doing a big build
i made it, steel pipe
Is the budget halfbridge china amp be the cab amps there decent I think . and skar rp to audiopipe are chinneese junk I think.
Nothing wrong with full bridge. People are silly. My preference is HB Korean or even HB Chinese from S&I's facility in China but if I had to I'd run the smart amps possibly. I have 6 Zv5 18's to power. I don't know what slang they have for money in Korea but in America we like to say... "That's a lot of cheese Jack" 😆
I got a Ds18 GFX 3k 1ohm full bridge .
Its the only amp in my budget that actually put out 3k rms . I have it on 2 ds18 Exl x 15 2.D 2ohm 1250 rms
Choices are 2 ohm or .5 ohm .
Right now its @2ohms but its not as loud as it should be and its already clipping if i put it under clips the bass barely hits . What are your thoughts . I want this thing to bang but also not blow my subs .. i can tell from clipping they get pretty hot fast . & its only @ 2ohms box is 35hz
Stock battery ,stock alt / wiring , 0 awg CCA run .
Head unit bluetooth increased +4 so 20 is my normal max volume less click away to full tilt , could it be a problem ?
Bro you need to upgrade your electrical for sure. I was all stock top. Put a big AGM under hood, and one ioxis super capacitor in near amp. Now my voltage barely drops and amp quit clipping prematurely. Hope this helps
I've had multi people say they liked my setup till they seen my taramp amps. their just haters that don't really know what there talking about. liking ur vidz bud, keep um coming!
let them hate..
I have a taramps smart 3 on a single ct sounds strato 10 lol
With you having your amps strapped that makes your setup full bridge but I'm sure you already know that. So would you say that your system in your Jeep it looks like sounds dirty?
nope very clean sound, and full bridge doesn't sound dirty. watch Barevids videos on full bridge amps, lots of JL and Rockford SQ amps are full bridge
I’m gettin a full bride smart amp. The new sundown sia 3500. CAnt fuckin wait !!!!!
Went from jp23 to taramps smart 5k. Jp23 definitely has better sound quality. I like both Amps a lot. I think I need a dsp for my taramps. I am definitely a fan of both amps. Price for power can’t really beat the smart 5k.
Them JP AMPS are just. I wouldn't have mad that switch
@@djkeys415s I needed more power. I upgraded from my 10 year old 15” American bass xfl to a 15” avatar stu. The jp23 couldn’t really push the avatar much. It sounded good but not much louder than my American bass. Taramps though has insane power. I’ll get a dsp later on.
@@Richtaco oh ok well yea. Unavoidable at that point but dfs has stepped they amp game up heavy so you upgraded good deal
Hey I got a question. What would be better?
A pair of 2+2 ohm 12's wired at 2 ohms with an Amp that delivers 3k @ 2 ohms
Or the same subs wired at 0.5 ohm with an Amp that delivers 3k at 0.5ohm
Specifically for 2 Wolfram Ti-12 d2's
i don't see that there'd be a change,, but wired at .5 on a 1 ohm amp you'd gain
@@JerryAintloud yeah I understand that I just meant Taramps mainly. Like they have an Hd3000 2 ohm or an HD 3000 1 ohm. I always wondered which is better if there was a difference?
@@LowetheTechGuy The amp's namesake is addressing the intended use of said amp. If you want to wire to .5, you'd want the 1ohm amp (as it's intended to be used at a lower load than the 2ohm model). I'm not particularly saying that you _should_ run an amp below its rating, but that's what Taramps are hoping to get across with their branding of model names in this scenario. Alternatively, if you ran the same .5 load on the 2ohm model, you'd be much more likely to do damage to the amps/subs, running them well out of spec.
1 thing Jerry hates the most... Facebook groups 🤣 that's why I don't even bother getting on FB. Tiktok is cool cuz the hobby is pretty strong on there.
What ampilers are you currently using?
DS18 Hooligan KO 8K
@@JerryAintloud Awesome, thank you!
First video I know you from was you putting respect on taramps and trying to let ppl know some of the same stuff your still mentioning in this video but even with how much that video blew up it’s sad ppl are still thinking falsely of them,, ppl just need to understand that mistakes happen and you can’t just put the blame on someone else to make your self feel better about it, heck I’ve blown Korean amps full bridge amps have had all kinds of brands some with great success and some with failures but I’ve taken the time to learn from it instead of putting the problem on someone else shit happens sometimes deal with it, but if your gonna talk shit about your full bridge blowing then start talking shit about your Korean blowing cuz they blow to lol
If I play a 50hz at half volume and check my ohm load would it be the same ohm as full volume at the same frequency? I would like to check my max rise
Try it. You will see it move all over the place regardless of the volume I believe.
@@LowetheTechGuy I understand it moves per frequency, I am just wondering if it would stay the same per frequency and volume level, I am going to check it, it is just hard to check at full tilt with a truck doing 60's
@@1-Six-dee Ohm load is just that, Ohm load. Once it's connected, it's a static amount. That said, you don't even need frequency to check it, so yes, it'll stay the same. However, you can put your finger on a speaker and that weight alone will likely change its Ohm Load, because you're physically changing the speaker's amount of resistance. Now, with checking wattage going to your speakers, yes, the measurement readings will change based off of both volume and frequency used (which, IMHO, is why using "industry standards" are a good idea to keep dummies from messing something up, but aren't technically a "one-size-fits-all" truth).
@@RAW_Reality I understand my static ohm load, at 26 hz at full volume I am at 1.1 ohms per sub, this is when I clamp it, does each frequency have a different ohm load and is it repeatable if it is at 2k watts or 8k watts
@@1-Six-dee Ohm load (resistance) is mostly effected by heat, pressure, and length, much like garden hose is. You can add pressure to a hose by kinking it, and your flow will change. You can add length to your hose and it'll take more time and effort. You can change the temperature of the material going through your hose and it'll gain or lose viscosity and thereby flow rate. Since your electrical is a stagnant length, you're not adding any pressure, and it'd take an extreme amount of wattage to generate heat in your wiring, IF your ohm load changed it certainly wouldn't be by an amount worth worrying about. Frequency changes nothing in that regard.
JUST LIKE THE NO BS JERRY I like traditional style amps and I can't fit taramps in my truck yet I would have to change it up a bit Ben in car audio most of my adult life and I can tell mhen some one no ther shit by listening..to this vid
It's llike everyone forgot about orion🤔 3k doin 10k SMH
those spldx amps are beast
@@JerryAintloud yessir.. and honestly the xtr isn't a bad amp either. I have the 2500 dz.. does good power..
I think you might want to watch the beginning of your video and take some of your own advice
Like JL did how long ago?
JL has had full bridge amps before taramps was a thing
jl slash series. they were introduced in the early 00s
?????W-T-F??????
You do realize you have one big full bridge amp set up! I had to stop watching the video, when someone starts to claim how much they know I realize they don’t know. You strapping those 2/2 bridge amps make it a full bridge! You guys have no idea how electronics actually function. All you understand is it goes boom boom boom boom
He is fully aware strapping 2 half bridge amps together is full bridge he mentions this multiple times. He knows wtf he's talking about
Lower end none smart taramps still sound like shit. If you can't hear a difference between even a cheap ass china amp you are litterally deaf.
Full bridge are actually more efficient an been around jus as long...jus bc Brazil came up with a cheaper design with the same power but can't take any abuse ppl think they suck an prone to blowing 🤦♂️