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- Can I go from a car licence to a Class 1 Lorry? Well, yes, now you can! But will the HGV driver test changes help fix the LGV driver shortage?... www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/
The government have now confirmed that as of November 15th 2021 you will no longer have to pass a DVSA driving test on a Category C | Class 2 lorry before progressing up to the Class 1 | C+E course. HUGE LEGISLATION CHANGE! Last time something like this changed in the law was 1997 when it did the exact reverse. The Category C | Class 2 was put in to create the staged approach, that step up, to the much larger Class 1 | C+E.
Why? Because the accident rate was so high! Now the roads are busier and vehicles are larger, will the same happen again? Time will tell…
‘Do I still have to reverse on my LGV driving test? I’ve heard the reversing manoeuvre has been removed?’
Yes the reverse is still part of the lorry test! But that has changed too…
The Government / DVSA from November 15th 2021 is allowing training providers to conduct the reversing manoeuvre and the trailer drop (couple / uncouple) instead of them having to do it as part of the HGV driving test. The DVSA will now only be present and conduct the out on road drive.
These seismic changes in the LGV industry will massively affect your HGV training and provide you with a decision to make what lorry driving course you take and why. This video weighs up all options and what National Driving Centre are doing to keep training future lorry drivers to a high and safe standard. Enjoy! - Krátké a kreslené filmy
You can really tell from your videos that you guys enjoy what you do, and that's exactly what you want when you're training. I had similar instructors for my motorcycle training & full test about 5 years ago, and it made it one of the most enjoyable weeks I've had - I look back and smile.
I'll definitely be contacting you guys in the next couple of months when my current contract expires, I fancy a change and a career of listening to music while not running shit over sounds like fun times - I've got a lot of long wheelbase 3.5t van experience so hopefully it'll come in useful for the C1.
Thank you so much for your comment and we will be looking forward to hearing from you. 👍👍👍👍
I passed my
Mod 4 and class 2 last week and your videos have helped massively thank you for you videos and information next stop class 1 thank you
You are very welcome Benc! Best of luck on the Class 1
Everyone should remember, the reluctance of a lot of these driving centres to do Car to Class 1 is due to the drastically reduced revenue they get per trainee. While I have no doubt the experience of a Class 2 will help you be a better driver on the Class 1, I know plenty of people who have passed first time after a 2 week course straight from a car, myself included. If you're a safe and cautious driver and do everything properly there's no reason you can't go straight on the artic
Of course with a professional training school yes it is possible to pass this course from B to C+E, but as we say in the video this does not guarantee you any work as a lot of companies will not take anyone on with such limited experience. In the same way if you pass your private pilots license you will not then go and work straight away flying 747's for BA, or having just completed your day skipper course going onto cruise an 180,000 ton oil tanker. I know the analogies seem strange but these are true and anyone who has taught or instructed at a high educational level will clearly understand this. We're not saying it's impossible we just want people to understand the risks involved and road safety is paramount there is a reason it was not possible to go from B to C+E for many years and just because there is a shortage of drivers does not mean it is safe to do so. We want people to understand the challenges involved in passing this and then going on to gain employment which is exactly the reason assessments are done.
@@NationalDrivingCentreIf someone was to go straight for the cat c+e licence, could they then get the experience driving in the cat c to appeal more to cat c+e employers?
@@C.Jones1 absolutely, and this is very much the norm at the moment. 👍👍👍
I’m kinda old skool sorry to say, I came into the industry just over 20 years ago, started off in a van, already had my 7.5 ton entitlement, cos I passed a few years before the law changed, 6 months later went onto 7.5, did that for years, then out of my own money went for Hgv 2, passed 2nd time, did that for a few years, then paid for my Hgv 1, passed 1st time, including the reverse manoeuvre, 13 years ago, the way they’ve changed the test these days I think is a joke, apparently you don’t even have to do the reverse test, ridiculous……, oh and these days I’m a driving assessor for the company I work at, so to go from a car straight to an Hgv 1, nah, just goes to show how desperate the government has got, and covid proved that, as well as brexit……
@@Sacrifice-Paid You still have to do a reverse test but it can be done seperatly to the main driving test its optional. I did 2 years on buses Cat D and then went straight to the Artic test rather than mess about with class 2 first as I had the option to straight for HGV 1, going forwards driving a bus and an artic is shockingly similiar in the style you manourve them. Class 2 and class 1 as you will know are completely different to manourve. Because Buses have the steering wheels behind you it forces you to steer later the same as you do in artic to pull the trailer, my instructor did remarkably little instructing and only had to properly teach me when it came to the reversing aspect. I think even if you go straight to class 1 you should be made to do a couple days in a class 2 so you know how to drive both. Of course this is all my expereince and opinion.
Good video guys. I took my class 1 and 2 after driving coaches for a few years first and while I found the rigid easy the articulated licence was not and I struggled for a few days trying to get used to reversing it. I did pass the course but felt my experience driving larger vehicles helped massively so to go from a car to class one seems ludicrous!! That said I’m sure there are certain people out there with the skills necessary to be able to make the jump but one would imagine the pass rate will be much lower than it is now.
Exactly the same here. 30 yrars in Bus & coach and took the leap to the dark side in 2020, No issues with he rigid - clean sheet on my test [ humble brag] But, the reverse! Class 1 reveers !! I lost so much sleep the night before my test due to anxiety I was exhausted. Well, I got through it and went through with 2 minors on the road - both of which I debriefed myself and 100% due to fatigue. 1 did a year on class 2, ( hard work) and now have done 4 months on Class 1 , fridges, night trunking. The reverse element of the test is, without doubt, the trickiest element of the test/ job but does it prepare you for the "real world"? I am into RDCs , set lines and all that. I still have good and bad day. I have now grasped is how to sort myself out when I when I get in a bit of a pickle!, to ignore judgement and even ask for help.
I’m going from car to class 1. Been out driving the artics for a 5 hours now.
Thank you so much for your comment.👍
Thank you so much for your comment.👍
Everything has been explained very well regarding this topic. Nothing more nothing less. Thanks boys great video!!! 🙂
Thank you so much👍
Passed class 2 nearly a decade ago, did nothing with it, 4 weeks ago got a job driving class 2 before my class 1 training in a few weeks, so glad i did, lot to take in, size of vehicle, vehicle checks, road positioning, loading and unloading.....wow if i had jumped straight to class 1 it would be an even bigger shock, so i am pleased i have some experiance before going for my class 1.... feel a bit better prepared...good luck to all taking your tests 👍
Lovely of you to wish the rest good luck. Same to you!
I think it all depends on how confident you are as a driver. Some people will need to go class 2 first and get used to the size and weight and there will be some people that will be capable of jumping straight on to class 1 and being fine after a few days training
Very true - hopefully the driving assessment will help people make wise decisions for themselves with all the information 😀
is it hard to drive a lorry? ive never even driven a van.
@@kenwkls6392 it takes some getting used to coming from driving a car the main thing being the turning circle and having you watch your back end swinging on corners to make sure you don't wipe someone out lol
I think this is a fantastic video. Honest, frank information which provides a reality check before big financial decisions are made. I am very impressed with NDC for making it. To me it speaks volumes about the organisation. Thank you.
@@kenwkls6392its not that hard driving a double deck bus is much harder
Totally love your channel, thanks for the clarity, hopeful I can find a similar setup here in Edinburgh!
Thank you so much William.
U could try gtg in newbridge m8 if not already.
@@billyd9205 Thanks man, will do!
I must say you guys are the best in what you do. I train with you guys for 2 day and pass my test the Third Day wow. That's how good you guys are. And thanks for the update... NDC IS THE BEST... when I go for the test drive Paul could tell me I need a week course but he says you only need 2 days. which I was shocked but guess what I could save half of my money. Thanks NDC.. 🙌🏿🔥🔥🔥🔥🇯🇲🇬🇧..
Thank you so much Orlando, Hope all is going well.👍👍👍
Yes all is going well I passed my CPC module 4 this morning. with the help of Paul and Andy cpc video 🔥🔥
Great informative video as always guys. As many others I'm one on the fence about doing class C first or looking at the C + E after the changes. One thing I can't find anything on is the funding of 5,000 places the government are offering and if you've heard how we will be able to access it. Less of a risk and pressure maybe that way!
Morning! For the Skills Bootcamps (government funding) only 5000 courses isn't a lot for the demand so we recommend not pinning your hopes on it. Only you can answer the training question 😎
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Going from car to hgv 1 was normal in my day, the lorries have not grown, the reason the trainers are now moaning is it's affecting their income stream, even though it is already over priced.
Lots and lots of tests across the board are pointless and were solely invented as another way of generating income for the govt
Excatly this pal! They wont admit it tho, i mean not a bad business almost charging somebody nearly 2k for class 2 only to go again through the whole process and charge another 1.5k for class 1.
Are you insinuating the CPC Paul 😉
This is true JP - driving manual back in the day was far harder than today's autos!
How is this any different from when I passed my Class 1 in 1984 ?
I was 21 and only had a car licence !
You pass your test and then you have to learn how to drive an artic in the real world.
@@gavinsmith8330 it's no different, the government have been forced to go back to the way it was.
I used to drive a 7.5 tonner, then they introduced all the cpc garbage
I passed my class 2 last month and I have a job at Hermes I'm a good driver but still nervous on sometimes just incase I hit anything. I think it's a bad idea going straight to class 1 but you guys are doing class 2 then if they ready go to class 1 that's a great idea.
Thanks for the feedback Steve - very best of luck at Hermes 😀
I agree Steve class 2 first and 6 month after class 1 I feel that's a safer option
Train up the Class 2 s. Commercial experience has got to be a bonus before heading onto Class 1.
No, experience yet. Really want to drive class 1 but I understand the importance of experience on Class 2. This joint course you offer is great.
Redwing, wherever you are in the UK, go and have a driving assessment first and see what you think. That will help your decision making!
@@NationalDrivingCentre is London your only centre? Its a long commute for me but would definitely be worth it
With the right training I'm sure it's doable. The courses will have to be a bit longer and more intense. I can understand training companies not favouring the leap from car to class 1 because they'll be losing money via people not having to pay them for class 2 training first.
Mate, trust me, I jump from car to rigid truck 26-tonnes, that was fucking challenge. I can not imagine that from car to class1.
Thank you so much for your comment.
Depends on your experience just because you only have a car licence doesn't mean you never driven a HGV what if you grew up on a farm driving tractors etc or drove artics in a yard for years previously, In these circumstances you already have the experience the training then is basically the same for an artic or rigid obviously there will be a difference between an artic and an artic on the road but the main principles of the training will be the same teaching you difference between the rules of a car and HGV checking mirrors etc does seem strange the training companies are reluctant to offer this especially if they offer a free assessment first within 1 hour I am sure these trainers can assess if you are more suited to going for a rigid licence first as in chuck them in an artic with their yard ask them to un couple have a lap round the yard and then re couple up the trailer then go for a reversing maneuver this could be done safely in a yard with a trainer monitoring at all times if a mistake is it can be corrected so there is no danger and if they look like they haven't got a clue they can suggest the class 2 first, if they can do all of this confidently with little guidance then I don't see why they need to go for the class 2 first and if the trainer is happy then you could have a full c+e pass within a week imagine how good that would look for the training company if you pass 90% plus of drivers going for the c+e using their assessment method?
Excellent Video. Very clear and descriptive. Thank you
Thank you Kaleem👍👍👍👍
I think if you come from a car to a hgv 1 it will be difficult and safety can be a concern but this test change will definitely benefit people who already drive large vehicles like busses.
if you think thats bad i remember a time you could take a HGV test without a full car licence
Thank you so much for your comment.
Great vid guys, I’ve watched a few of your vids now and found them clear, informative and entertaining.
Coming from a car to learning to drive an articulated lorry is pretty big stuff, and even though the course is 8 days that’s probably still not enough time for some to learn what’s required and be confident enough to do the test and pass first time.
I did a 4 day PCV course, passed everything except the practical tests, first one on the reverse exercise but the drive was great no major issues, 2nd test was a total disaster with 11 minors and 2 majors! I lost my mojo by then, I think I would have appreciated more time, I might try again but do my class 2 rigid or just the C1 7.5 t course.
Thank you so much for your input and comments it really means a lot. Thank you 👍👍👍
I’ve been considering doing my C+E for a while now. I’ve been in contact with various training providers and they’re all very slick and very good with the websites. I stumbled upon your channel by accident and I’ve just sent in my enquiry via your email. The videos about the unhook and hook up and reversing test are really informative. I hope to meet you all soon for the full B to C to C+E courses and test. Your videos show a professionalism and honest approach that few others seem to have in the industry.
Thank you so much Adam, looking forward to meeting you.👍👍
quite like the idea of spliiting the course and giving the persons a chance. bravo
We haven't heard any other companies do it so it is a big risk for us as a business but 🤞 trainees understand why were doing it this way.
@@NationalDrivingCentre personally just about to go for HGV and i my eyes its a big jump from car lol i drive an XL van for a living. good call hope it pays off for you and the trainees
If I hadn’t already got my Class 2 with the Fire Service, you guys would be first on my list!! What a superb organisation and training centre with really passionate instructors. I’ve just been offered a role as a driving instructor for LGV and emergency response and will be put through my ADI as part of the training. Any tips and suggestions to be successful in the role would be appreciated. I am also considering taking my Class 1. Are you running the government bootcamps? Keep up the good work fellas. You’re videos have been a huge help to me. Thank you. Jim
Thank you so much for your comment.
Hope that answered your question Jim
All our instructors have the national register for instructors (NRI) through RTITB. And we also put our instructors through a AET level 3 teaching qualifications. Putting you through ADI can help in some places but but I would advise the above courses to really help.
Great video 📹 from great team.
Glad you enjoyed it Menreat!
Hey Lawrence, Paul, fantastic video guys , you both explained the new changes very well ,easy to understand and gave a realistic outlook on the possible outcomes which people will have, very honest and honorable advice given, cheers guys , Regards Abbs , 😉
Thank you so much Abbs. 👍👍👍👍
I’m doing my car to Class 1 over the next couple of months starting on 4th April with theory training. I’ve been a bus driver so 7 years so hoping that experience will aid me in passing my test.
I’m doing it through DHL’s driving ambitions program.
Great job. Yes the bus training will be invaluable, best of luck. 👍👍👍
Awesome video, thanks for the upload
No problem. Thank you 👍
Love the professionalism, I’ll be calling you for a chat this week,
Thank you so much, No problem, looking forward to your call.👍👍👍 ask to speak to me Paul.😬
Well 3 months down the line I am now a C+E license holder! Your videos gave me some valuable knowledge and helped me to prepare for the intensive course and my practical exam so many thanks due! I must say having now done this whole Car straight to C+E I have to whole heartedly agree it is not something that i think many people should do. My training company also said if any of us wern't ready they would drop us down to doing to doing just the catagory C which again I agree is a practice all training providers should adopt. One last comment for anyone seriously considering this - stay away from companies that act as a middle man as you will only end up overpaying, find a quality training provider like NDC (if you're in the bristol area I can highly recommend Eli Group)
Some excellent advice. Never a true word spoken.
Thank you so much for your comment and kind words.
@@NationalDrivingCentre are you located in Birmingham?
@@mubashirafridi8085 No, we are based in Croydon, South London.
@@NationalDrivingCentre Do you recommend any training center in Birmingham that you know is delivering quality training and even do the assessment and suggest which category one should do based on how they drive?
@@mubashirafridi8085 So sorry Mubashir, we dont know anyone in that area. but travel and hotels are priced well round here. 🤣🤣
Thank you,guys excellent clear precise information.
You are more than welcome. Thank you.👍👍👍
this is how i took my class 1 and i drove class 1 for 30 years it was 38 tone but bench seat dont think so and as for easier try driving through london without a satnav
Thank you so much for your comment.
I'm a Canadian working on my Class 1 License (the term for it here is Class 1.) It's damn good fun, I love double clutching and rev matching, the massive amounts of torque alone could pull my house down and it's very nice.
Does England have Super B? (2 trailers connected by 5th wheel with three axles on the first trailer.)
Thank you so much for your comments. No we have these. they had a trial with them a few years ago but it did not go well.👍👍
Great video guys, I know now a couple of months have gone by. Is it the same split test format for C1E? Did my BE a few years ago, I'm a grounds maintenance / landscape gardener by trade, so will I need to take the additional CPC test?? - as just driving the vehicle from site to site within one town in my working day 🤔🙄
Thank you so much for your comment.👍
I have been shunting 10 years without C+E and decided to go straight from a car to an artic, take it from me it's a totally different ball game on the road. I failed twice but managed to get it on my third attempt. Listen to these guys it's way too much to take in just in one or two weeks
Thank you so much for sharing your experiences it really does help to shine a light on how it works and help potentially challenging It could be. 👍👍👍
Hi Guys great video do you do any taster days within your yard just to get a idea whether it’s something the individual wants to progress just sitting in the cab or small Manoeuvres something along them lines as going from a car with no experience thanks
Hi Shane, we sure do. If you get the provisional entitlement on your licence then you can come on down for a free driving assessment 😀 www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/request-d2-and-d4-forms/
Fair enough I love those guys sincere about process, I wish everyone think in this way. Soon I will be there I pass already 1a 86 % next month hazard & perception! All the best
Great work well done.👍👍👍
I went from car to hgv 1, Leyland Road train with a transmission brake, then my first job the firm ran artics in the 3+3 configuration, this was in 1988.Only had 8 lessons and passed first time, also no bench seat in the Leyland Road train just instructor in the passenger seat.
Ahh the good old days.👍👍👍👍
Hi guys!
Very good, informative video as usually. Well prepared to near new future. One question I have is:
If I decide to do cat C only now.
What process and the price will be at the later time doing C+E ?
Thanks
Your near future trainee 😉
Afternoon! 😀
For us it's £1700.00 for full Cat C course including CPC. You could do that first and then move onto the C+E when you felt ready for £1615.00. All inc VAT. It's up to you and when you feel comfortable doing courses at the right time.
Great video guys ... I'm one of the ones on the fence waiting for the 15 November , therorys , Cpc etc all passed, what do I take ? Class 1 or 2 ...
One thing you don't mention is at the moment lots of us only have class 2 provisional on our licences, we most probably have to send them back off and wait 2-3 months for DVLA to put class 1 provisional on. I have emailed DVLA and not got a decent response on this Matter.
My dad was lucky back in the day to go straight to class 1 .... It took him two tests to achieve a pass so some valid points ... It's not that easy car to class 1 .
Great advice going class 2 first .
Thanks John. We hope doing it the 'classic' way is the best advice for future drivers. The Cat C licence is a great back up option within the course. DVLA are turning round licences quicker now so wait until 15th November and then send forms and licence off - should be back quicker than you think!
Hi I'm in that boat too with a class 2 provisional. Did you get a response as to whether you have to send licence off again?
As always good content 👌
Thank you so much.👍
Good vid as always guys
Thank you so much👍👍
The DVLA need to do overtime from the 15th a lot application coming tru…
It might get very busy again in the post room...
Any idea when your pricing for the Direct Access Course will be available? My provisional forms arrived today and I’m determined to do this
www.nationaldrivingcentre.co.uk/category-b-car-to-ce-class-1-lorry/
Another good video guys, done my class 2 and class 1 with NDC they are the best,go straight to class 1 I think is not the best idea
Thanks Norbert! Spaceship training course next for you 🚀
@@NationalDrivingCentre let me know when do you start doing it 🚀 lol
so basically what you guys are saying is if you renewed the provisional C catagory on your licence at for example like myself turning 45 less than 2 months ago, then I would need to renew for a 2nd time this year to get the C+E provisional, rather than keeping the current status of my licence if I had renewed it.
That's right Michael. You'll have to resend after 15th November requesting the C+E to get it on there 👍
It all hinges on the quality of the training. Any test failure is a direct reflection of the quality of the training received. I am part way through the process and my view is that what I have paid is to get me to being a fully qualified C+E driver. If I need further training and a retest should be included.
That's a very good point and yes the Training is a key feature that's why making sure your instructors are fully qualified before you make the decision on where are you going to be trained is critical. However with the experience I have been doing this for over 20 years, it does come down to the student you could have the best student in the world that responds to all the training but on test day they can fall apart this could be down to nerves or just making a stupid error. Thank you so much for your comment.👍👍👍👍
Hey great vid,was just wondering,I'm booked in for next week to do my class 2 and have the reverse manoeuvre this week.The price that I saw when I put my deposit down before the 15th of November for the theory material etc,has gone up now because of the reverse manoeuvre been done in the providers yard,is this right that the price has gone up?
Also the cpc module 4 price has gone up from what I signed up for,should I still be paying the before price?
(All the prices have changed with the company I'm using since I signed up)
I'm so sorry to hear that unfortunately I really can't comment on another companies reason for price increase the best thing to do is have a chat to them and find out the reason why. 👍
I passed my car to class 1 recently, and can honestly say that I don't think taking the class 2 test first would've made much of a difference as an artic is a totally different beast. Rigids are just very big vans when it comes to steering etc. Although I would probably do some class 2 rigid work before going straight into class 1 for a living, just to get some experience of driving a lorry on the roads by myself. I am assuming that, if you have done car to class 1, you can still drive a class 2 rigid even though you didn't get the class 2 license first? 🤔
Yes that's correct you would automatically get your category C once you have achieved your C plus E.👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre thought so. Just had a bit of a brain fart there for a second 😁
I did the same and went straight in for class 1 but I did have 8 hours training in class 2, I actually found class 1 easier and more comfortable to drive, just because 1 person can't do it doesn't mean we all can't 🤦🏻♂️🤷♂️🤣 literally passed class 1 today with 1 minor fault so I'm happy with that, trucks and cars are much easier and safer to drive these days, if you speak to any of the older generation of drivers they all went straight to class 1 and drove some proper shit back in the day and they all agree and say if you can drive it you can drive it so don't see what the issue is, its normally people who've passed a class 2 and can't drive a class 1 that have a problem with people going straight to class 1 🤷♂️
Class 1 much easier to drive.
If you don't mind me asking what training company did you use as I am very interested in going straight for my class 1 as I have been shunting for many years now I both artic and rigids so I do t see the point in taking my class 2 first it takes up too much of my spare time and would be cheaper £3500 to do both over 10 days just doesn't seem worth it if it was closer to £2000 and can be done in 5-6 days that would be much more suitable, I'm not even looking at driving straight away already have a good job with decent hours so I'm just looking at getting my licence as a back up and to keep my options open for the future I work permanent night shift and have young children but in a few years time when they are older I may want to move in less stressful job as I manage a warehouse and have a lot of pressure all the time would be nice just to be able to have the option to do something different that I already have the experience with, like one of these guys said I'd probably drive rigids on the road for a bit before I go full on artic on the road but just like to keep my options open, seems like there are a lot of opportunities out there at the moment if you have a class 1 with some experience but I cannot justify paying basically double when I can already drive an artic with many years of experience under my belt!
The problem I have now, is my work place uses ridgid and artics, I drive artic most of the time, however when they send me out in the ridgid, I always opersite steer.
It always takes a bit of time to get back in the swing of things.👍
Why can’t we just retake the c+e test if we fail it? Why did you say it’s such a big risk money wise??
Great video thanks!
Of course if you fail the test in the C+E then you would only retake what you fail, i.e. if it's just a small mistake then a little bit of training would be required to bring that standard up.
What NDC was trying to say is that under the great new rules of split testing since 29 November 2021 (definitely a big plus for you), if you fail the new part 3a test covering the reverse ect, then you only have to retake the new part 3a test. If you fail the new part 3b test with the examiner, then you only have to retake the new part 3b test. So you no longer even need to retake the full C+E test if you fail, you just retake the part of the test which you failed, either the new part 3a or the new part 3b.
Guys great vid, with this if you pass class 2 test half way through won't the examiner take your license and send it off to the DVLA. Meaning you won't have it for the class 1 test ?
No you can keep your license, in case you need to do your CPC mod 4 later and then just send it of yourself.👍
Well i have my 9 day intensive course on the 16th og this month, after watching this i'm now utterly crapping myself
You will be ok. Trust your instructor. Best of luck🤞🤞👍👍👍👍👍👍
Do you know if a new medical is required if you already had class 2 provisional on your licence? Thanks
Thank you so much for your comment.👍
nice video hope i might get class 1 someday but class 2 on the way is great
Thank you so much👍👍👍
i already have the category C . If i do the C+E after the 15 -11-21 , do i just do the driving/practical test or do i have to pass a theory test as well ?
No as always once you have passed your theory test for category see that incorporates questions including the C+ C so no more theory test.👍👍
Next week , I'm going from flapping my arms , to flying a plane !
Hope that goes well.🤣🤣🤣
Are you flying fridge? 😆 😂🤣🤣
Best comment ever written lol my son just fell over and cut his right arm so i applied an elastoplast next week im training to be a brain surgeon.
@@leonpaul9443 😱🤭
@@leonpaul9443 😂
Great video lads, very entertaining, and excellent info.
No problem, thank you so much👍👍👍👍
I’m a bus driver at the mo , I know how hard it was to go from car to that straight away , I’m still going to go cat c then c+e , makes more sense
Do an assessment James as with the large vehicle experience you have, you may find easier than most!
you dont c than.. that makes no sense
I’d love to take my C+E but never got round to doing it. Always wanted to.
Its never to late.👍👍👍
Crackin’ video lads 👍🏼
Thank you so much👍👍👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre Do you guys do any one to one advice at all? On zoom or something..
Kind Regards
@@tomwest_uk can do🤔 Best thing to do give us a call next week speak to myself I'm Paul. 👍👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre That’d be bang on mate cheers, will do 👍🏼
if I already have a provisional C on my licence, do I need to have another medical to get C+E provisional on there, or is it just sending off to the DVLA?
That's a good question down at the moment we would say no. But until the change is coming on the 15th, we cannot say for sure lots of people around desks making decisions.😜
Made me more nervous for my class 1 training next week. I have only booked 3 days, 4 hours each day of training without an assessment, though I passed my class 2, 10 years ago I haven't driven one since! Should I maybe ask for more hours and would you know if the test is already booked in advance?
Unfortunately i can't comment on any other companies policies. We would always do an assessment before taking on any driver. Hope all goes well,👍👍👍🤞best of luck
Last week I rowed a boat I hired in my local park. I’m confident I could dock a 150ft yacht now, no problem! 😉
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Did you have to do training and a test though? 🤷♂️🤦🏻♂️ just because your shit at driving and think you couldn't do it doesn't mean we all can't!
Hi, I am going to be doing my class 2 training with Taunton driver training after being ripped off by the broker Easy as hgv. I had to get 3 quotes for training cost for JETS/SEETEC earlier this year and although one quote was from Taunton driver training SEETEC decided to go for the cheaper option, the broker! I paid for my medical, MOD 1 myself and had booked and paid for MOD 2 but then got told that I could get my cpc by doing the 35 hrs periodic training as I passed my car test in '87, however it was all done on zoom meetings, I missed 3 and had to rebook and pay these myself, got my cpc, then the driver training in the truck was totally in adequate to actually pass the practical test. I am completely retraining with Taunton driver training next January or before if a cancellation comes up. Please could you do one video warning those who want to train for their licences NOT to use brokers and always go with a reputable company, they will save a lot of money just by avoiding brokers!
Thank you so much for your comment 👍👍👍👍👍.
I've got my class 2 license, had it 2 years, do I need to take another medical even if it's been 2 years?
Also my test is on 15th this week. Will I.need to pass uncoupling test before my on road test? Even tho I've had it booked for 2 months? Thanks
Thank you so much for your comment.
I'm doing this right now, car to class 1, no experience driving an lgv/hgv or even a trailer, just passed the theory, hazard and cpc tests, onto first time driving a class 1.
Great work. Hope all goes well. 👍👍👍👍👍
Hows the training going pal
@@muzzer8869 Spot on thank you. So busy. We are currently in the process of taking the Module 4 CPC in house, this should help free up some more Module 3 driving test.👍👍
Very helpful 🙏
Thank you so much👍👍.
Hi Guys all @NDC 👍
I passed my bus test with u 2 years ago.. & still remmeber the great professional training.. Just wanted to get some information regarding my interest in Class 1... as a bus driver D LICENSE.. do i still need to send a D4 to the dvla and what theory case studies cpc tests etc will be required.. Many thnx for listening.. Kind regards Wais..
Good morning, hope all is well. The best thing to do is have a look on the DVLA website (www.gov.uk/view-driving-licence) to see if you have the provisional C or C+E. If not grab the paperwork from us, complete the D2 and D4 form and then come on down for your free assessment. 👍👍👍
Question : I pass my multiple choice thest on 29 of October and hazard Perception today do I still need to do C first and then C+E or I can go straight to C+E ? Thank you so much
We would need to carry out a ffree assessment to have a look at your ability.
Mate, the government has changed the law allowing you to now go direct to C+E if you want. The free assessment should decide nothing more than how many hours of training you will likely need in order to be up to C+E test standard. If you want to go direct to C+E, steer well clear of any training company who tries to suggest after your assessment that you're only good enough for category C rigid training and test. A training company doesn't have any right to be making such statements which would amount to nothing less than unlawful consumer mis-selling. The response to your question which you should have received from NDC was....Yes, you can now go straight to C+E. We would need to carry out a free assessment to have a look at your ability in order to work out how many hours of training you will likely need if you want to go straight to C+E.
Next week i have my 4a and driving test for class 1. got my 3a on my first day in the cores. from car to class 1 is surprisingly easy (to me) i only get small mistakes like indicate when im driving forwards over a mini roundabout (like 1 times in a 2 hour drive. just a bad habit from driving cars). and then electric scooter riders. how many jump red lights!
Great work, Best of luck for the tests 🤞👍👍👍👍
I’ve got funding for my class 1 c+e and I’m actually looking forward to my training but I will be taking my training and test like it’s my own money I’ve paid for not funded.
Thank you so much for your comment Mr Green hope all goes well best of luck for your test. 🤞🤞🤞🤞👍👍👍👍
Hi I’ve a question if I already have my class 2 and want to get my class 1 do I need to apply for class 1 provisional? I thought once you pass class 2 it just comes as standard? Cheers guys
Yes you will already have the provisional on your online check.👍👍 Good to go.
Hi guys, me and my brother have class 2 booked up first week of December we still are happy to do the class 2 but then quickly want to proceed to class 1. So would it be better and quicker to send off our licences for updated class 1 provisional after 15th or would we be best doing it after we pass class 2 as I'm thinking if there is a delay between 15th November and out test date we could be refused test if the licence hasn't returned and we have seen many people complain about licence returns waiting months although I did a video on my channel and only took 7 days for our class 2 provisionals 🤔 whats your thoughts? If any 😂
Thank you so much for your comment.
hello great video question i have is i passed my car start of this month how long do i need to wait to be able to go for my class 2
Once you receive your licence back from the DVLA you can then apply for the provisional for Cat C by completing the D2 & D4 forms.
Random question to ask. Do instructors still need to use their tacho card when travelling in the vehicle without students or is the vehicle exempt because it is a training vehicle?
It comes down to the vehicle being exempt. So even without students no need to put a tachograph card in.👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre thank you. I was sure I didn’t need to but best to ask. I always recommend your videos and my students find them extremely helpful.
I’ve just passed my Class 2, first job is a starting salary of 38k a year (not in London) I completely agree with you guys, I’m going to get at least 2 years of experience on the road in a class 2 before going for a class 1. I know for a fact I wouldn’t of been safe or confident if I had jumped straight into a class 1!
Some great points thank you so much for your comment.👍👍👍
I applied for my hgv provisional 13 weeks ago still haven't got it, the dvla have sent me 2 letters saying they appreciate my application and will be dealing with it as soon as possible 🤬🤬🤬🤬
Unbelievable 😖. Hang in there Scotty
25 years ago I did this.. We also had 17 year olds with no car licence 14 weeks later holding a full class 1 C+E with HAZMAT qualifications..
The British Army has done this for decades.
I got in a rigid on a Monday and passed the test on the Fri and the following weeks end had my C+E
Insurance needs to be worked.
17 years with a full license including motorbike I had full Jo claims on my car insurance and I worked overseas for 3 years driving acid and fuel tankers. Returning to UK I lost all my no claims and they wanted 3k to insure a Nissan micra I bought to find work. I had to start it all again. After 3 years reducing insurance I needed a van.. Oh that's another catagory so back to no claims.. Yet if I'm punished on any vehicle on my license it goes across the whole board. Now with a few years with a van I want a car I've lost car no claims.
Scam.
I could make more deliveries and cover more miles 20 years ago in a truck compared to now. Spend half my day in paperwork and signing in and waiting on sites. The macro is more money for government. Less delivered. More pressure on society and the drivers.
is it hard to drive a lorry?
@@kenwkls6392 Not really.. Imagine driving your car riding a bike... Becomes natural.. Not all are good drivers though. Getting the licence doesn't mean you're king of the road.
Thank you so much for your comment.
I think it’s a bit crazy. I did my car test at 17 then I went from car to Cat C a month later (just after I turned 18) to C+E two weeks after that. It was a lot to take in and this won’t be any different for people.
Some great points Matty. Thank you.
Can you please help understand the new law. A person who passed their test In 2016 would they be able to legally drive a 3.5t horse lorry?Would it depend on the weight of the horse(s) inside?
So the best thing to do is have a look on the back of the driving license as long as I've got a category B, this will entitle them to drive a vehicle, not exceeding 3.5 tons, maximum authorised mass.
I'm so sorry, I'm not too the Weight of a horse 🤔.
Once you start going over this weight, then we often teach a 7.5ton vehicle which is also known as a C1.
I hope this helps, and if you've got any questions, please don't hesitate to give us a call. I've put a link down below to the government website which should hopefully confirm these points.
Kind Regards Paul 👍👍👍
www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories
Very nice video 👍your work terinig good 👌
Thank you so much👍👍
My class 1 test is on the 15th nov so where will I do my mod3 will it still be at test centre or training provider ?
Cheers
Thank you so much for your comment.
So Ive just passed my theory test.. I applied for a license after the 15th of November.. Whats next ? There are companies saying I have to do the Class 2 first and then the Class 1.. With the new rules in place, would this be correct ? Or Do i go straight to training for a Class 1 C+E ?
A great question, this would come down to your previous history and general driving ability that’s why we do a free assessment to see your ability. Of course, the government changes are in place and yes you can go direct to C+E from Cat B. However, the training required to get to test standard could be long and get quite pricy. This Is why we are offering this style of training. We believe this is the best way for a student to get the experience they need to achieve the test standard for C+E. I hope this helps and if you have any questions please give us a call.
Hello . I just passed theory , hazard perception , and cpc mod 2 . in my course cat c (class2 ) c+e (class1) , do u know what happen next ? My company emailed to me they are so busy maybe first course will be only in december , and after c+e , so looks like another 6 month to wait . Is realy so busy now ? Signed contract in september :D
Every where is going to busy unfortunately. Massive demand witch means the wait will get bigger.sorry were are you Training that makes you sign a contract?
I did not knew it before, so as a cat B driver i apply for my hgv provisonal before 15th of november, i got c and c1 provisonal but obviously could not get c+e provisonal but my first intention was to get c+e provisional, my question is as i manage to book my theory for hgv now should i go for my theory first and then apply again for c+e provisonal? or i should apply for provisonal first i mean is the theory test is same for cat c and c+e? I hope it make sense...kindly reply me
Thank you..
Thank you so much for your comment.
I'm going to tell you now going from car to class 1 is not a breeze I've had 30 hours passed the reverse and uncoupling easy been doing blind side reverse every morning but the hardest part is the standard I failed my last test on hesitation and forward planning roundabouts are hard you need to know how to negotiate them without hitting kerbs but also not stopping if they think there's a sufficient gap.
Some very good points, yes it's not easy it takes a lot of hard work and to pass in the C+E having little experience in a category C can be very challenging. Hopefully the public can now see why these changes might not necessarily be the best way to ease the HGV shortage. Thank you so much for your input Best of luck.👍👍👍👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre It benefits me more than anyone but I can honestly say unless it's something you have dreamed about doing it's going to be harder than you think also you need to make sure you get the right driving school the school I am with are old school obsessed with safety and its even made me a safer driver in my car but other schools are just about the money 1 school put a lad in for test after 16 hours obviously he failed but they don't care they still get paid it's a mine field and the shortage I don't even think was that bad but definitely isn't there now there's going to be a bubble for sure I'm frustrated as it's going to be difficult for me to get into a job as a green c+e driver after spending 2.5k I feel my money would of been better off spent elsewhere but I'm invested now so I won't quit
Hi guys I wonder if I could run this by you as I can't find anything to answer this question.
Question is: I took my test in a c+e last week and failed for a silly reason on a yellow box at a set of traffic lights.
The traffic light were on green and I had heavy traffic on my off side queuing to get to the other side of lights were the traffic filters into one lane.
I got marked 1 minor for hesitation and a fail for blocking the yellow box with my trailer. The tractor unit was clear from the yellow box but the trailer wasn't.
My instructor told me that as long as the tractor unit is clear of the yellow box then its ok. Can you please shed some light on this, thanks
So sorry to hear about this. I don't know what instructor would have informed you this but if any part of the vehicle is in the yellow box it would be a fail. As per highway code 174.
@@NationalDrivingCentre thank you for your reply but I that situation how would you ever get across the traffic lights as the cars on my right were fighting for a spot after the yellow box?
But what is the point in going straight to C+E if the employers wont employ you as they would much rather someone have driving experience with a category C for a few years first because it's such a big change from car to C+E. I guess it would save you from doing the C+E later as it can be done in one big swoop but it will also cost you more when you can't really get into those C+E jobs right away. Unless I am wrong about this.
With the level of high demand for drivers they will soon start employing those people without enough experience otherwise they will have to rely on hiring from agencies but those come at a higher price than just employing their own driver and giving extra training.
Thank you so much for your comment.
We have to hold our driving license for two years or we can apply hgv provisional once we get oue driving licence. Thank you
Thank you so much for your comment.
I got my provisional last month do I need to do another medical and send the forms of again? Also got my theory test and hazard perception booked for the 19th do I have to redo them again after??
No extra medical needed. I would hold off re sending your licence with a new D2 requesting for C+E until after you have passed the two tests on the 19th. You must have your licence for the tests so don't send it off!
@@NationalDrivingCentre thank you for your speedy reply. I will do that I’m based in Kent is ur closed training center Croydon?
Don't panic...it's used to be like this many years ago
It's changed a lot out there since 1997 Wayne 🙈
Do we still need a CPC..? I gave up Class 1 in 2009, before it came in?
Yes a CPC is still compulsory for all drivers.
This is the main reason why UK shorted truck drivers, because the cost to take the category c+e very Spence
A very good point hopefully with the government funding and a lot more companies doing apprenticeship schemes this will help. Thank you so much for your comment 👍👍
Hi dear, i live in uk from last 9 month & i have done car license.
I would ask can i go for lorry license or is there any criteria that i have to wait for 1 year or that much time?
Thank you so much for your comment. you would need a full UK license.
As bus driver of over 30 years and a lot of buses are bigger than some class 2. Are you saying that i would still have to sit the class 2 test ? or is this just a way of training firm milking the cow so to speak to recoup the lost revenue from class 2 tests no longer needing to be done ?
No that's not what we're saying if you've got the experience then like we said in the video your assessment would show that this means you could potentially go for your C+E straight away. That's exactly why we do the assessment.👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre that's absolute rubbish and not in accordance with the new DVSA rules. There's nothing potentially about it. Even the worst driver can go direct to C+E training regardless of whether or not they might fail. There is no assessment required to decide if a potential candidate is good enough to progress direct to C+E category artic training or can only stick with the the C category rigid training. The assessment should decide nothing more than how many days the training organisation believes they will need to pass the 2 part C+E practical tests. It's about time NDC accepted the new changes without trying to drag new candidates back to category C training and testing. I am being very serious when I say that NDC should be reported to the DVSA for the repeated false claims of "Potentially" being good enough to progress direct to C+E training. That is not part of the new rules and you shouldn't be advising people as such.
Have you got a video that talks through the cpc in detail.
Yes, check out our channel and it will talk you through all the components that make it up. As well as Q&A videos.👍👍👍
Superb changes Car to C+E.
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I have shunted rigids for over 7 years and artics for over 5, I have only got a car licence but I have undertaken yearly training to renew my shunting certificate so I have had continuous training which only consists of the artic as it covers the rigids as well, is there a course you provide for People like myself who have already got literally years of experience driving artics and rigids where we can go straight for the c+e, I do not really need to get a licence to drive on the road, I don't drive the tug vehicle everyday I actually manage the warehouse so already have a well paid job and hours that suit me, the only reason I am looking into getting my c+e licence is purely a back up plus something I have always wanted to achieve personally, once they changed the rules so I could go directly for my c+e I have come to a point that I may as well as it will only take a week and be substantially cheaper to achieve, it does seem a little pointless to change the rules to gain more potential drivers if the training companies don't offer you the option? I get it if its just go blogs who has never driven a HGV before but if someone already shows enough skill and is fully capable then why not offer it I think you will lose alot of business by not offering this alternative, unless you can provide the option for me to go straight for my c+e then I will definitely look at other training places to achieve what I would like at the end of the day it's my money if you offered the training and I fail the c+e I may just pay the difference after and go for the class 2 and settle with that then maybe look at going for my c+e later on!
This is why we do a free assessment. 👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre but I cannot see a course online that is for car to c+e I can only see a course for People who already have a rigid licence to go onto c+e I have seen the course online that consists of car to rigid to c+e and that says it take 9 or 10 days and is considerably more money, so do you offer a course to people who want to go from car straight to c+e without the need to take the rigid licence first if so great just a bit strange you don't advertise that? It would be great to train with you as I have watched a fair few videos from your channel and it seems all good advice and the trainers seem passionate and knowledgeable with everything I have seem so far, you have a pretty good reputation from what I can see so I was disappointed that the course I expected to be able to do was not available on your website! I will look contacting soon to find out what can be done to suit my needs!
Annoying I had already booked my Cat C before the changes were announced as I wanted to get in asap, I passed my Cat C in sept, and CPC only last week, but now all the jobsI see are Class 1, dam it.
Sorry to hear that, You still have your Cat C so get the experience in and you will be sorted.👍👍👍
@@NationalDrivingCentre I am currently a bus driver but hate it (the passengers), while doing my Cat C and CPC I moved house so had to wait until passing before I could send the licence for the updates, so now have to wait for that and the DQC card before applying for jobs.
I'm just about to take my driving test for Cat C and cannot wait. There is no way I would want to start at C+E I would want to build up some experience with C first
Why do you need to take a category C test before a C+E test in order get experience driving a rigid? You can still drive cat C after first passing a C+E test and save yourself a load of money.
A great point Steve. well said👍👍👍
@@xj358 that is absolutely true! Why meed a C when you have the option to do CE I shunt a lot on yards with a Terberg and I only have my C1 Licence it's not hard driving a trailer and reversing at all. I guess everyone is different.
@@comradebismarck These guys are putting out false information in their numerous responses on here regarding the new changes and it should be flagged up to the DVSA to investigate. Under the new rules, it is not a '' Potential'' possibility of going direct to Class 1 if you pass their assessment and if you don't, having to stick with rigid training. From 15 November 2021, you can now go direct to Class 1 training and the assessment should decide nothing more than how much training you are going to need to hopefully pass the C+E tests . It should not involve being advised that you haven't met the minimum assessment standard for C+E and as such, you will have to first undertake category C rigid training.
What's your problem NDC with rightful and accurate comment which addresses some of your completely false statements made within this video which are certainly not in accordance with the new DVSA rules. New drivers will have no problem going direct to a Class 1 exactly as the government are now allowing you to do and exactly as we all did 25 years ago when you also had to demonstrate your ability to operate a manual truck gearbox. You will also now be able to fail and then retake the reverse exercise without failing the whole test as has previously been the case, so there is certainly no longer going to be just one difficult test you are working towards on day 8 or 9 (These guys should set the record straight on that false claim). The reality is that it's now going to be significantly easier from 15 November 2021 simply for the fact that the test is being split up in to 2 separate parts for which you have up to 6 months to complete the part 3b training and testing after passing the part 3a test. If you are now going to have to first pass the reverse exercise (part 3a) before being able to progress to the On Road test (part 3b) with the examiner, then there is little point in doing any other training than first completing and passing the part 3a reverse exercise test. Once you've got that part 3a pass certificate in your pocket, you and the training school should then forget about it and move on to the part 3b training and test which again, you have up to 6 months to come back and complete or maybe even go to a different training school for the part 3b training. As such, training schools must now completely separate the part 3a reverse training (and cost) from the part 3b On Road training (and cost) in exactly the same way as category C training was previously undertaken and passed (and paid for) before turning to category C+E training and testing (and a separate payment) at a later date. Again, there is going to be no requirement to complete the new parts 3a & 3b training with the same training school so they therefore have to separate the training and cost as well as separate assessments for the 3a & 3b. You therefore shouldn't have to pay for anything more than part 3a training and test at the outset. Once you've passed that, you can then consider your part 3b training and cost, whether it is straight away or several months later, or even choosing to not continue any further.
Can I still get train as c+e if I have hgv provisional license before 15th of November or do I have to change it then come and get train.
Thanks
You can contact the DVLA or send off a covering note and I will add the C+E provisional to your license.👍👍👍👍
Is the driving test also split into parts 3A and 3B for example C1E and/or D1E too?
Yes so the 3A is now the off road reversing exercise and the 3B is on the road driving exercise with the DVSA examiner. Not sure what you mean by the C1E or the D1E. The C1 is a 7.5 ton maximum authorised mass vehicle and the E is a trailer The D1E is a minibus and trailer.👍👍
Thanks, yes I probably worded it differently - - I know the categories, with obviously E being trailer entitlement added on - just wanted to know is it all the same test format (3A and 3B) across all categories? Like I said previously I did my BE a few years ago and am thinking about doing my C1E test this year? Guess I can go now straight to C1E without having to pass C1 first?
Yeah like I said, my BE test (car and trailer) was all at once - reversing, coupling and driving - so would the C1E test, now, after the change be split into 3a and 3b??🚚🤔
Why don't they also change the 1st of Jan 1997 rule to let's say before 1st Jan 2003. This would add an additional 5 years worth of drivers who would gain experience of heavier vehicles (7.5 rigid) on top of the nearly 20 years experience they possibly already have. I would imagine driving an articulated combined weight of 7t is more difficult than a rigid 7.5t.
Thank you so much for your comment.👍