How to install a Porsche 996 IMS Bearing and have fun!
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- How to install a Porsche 996 IMS Bearing and have fun! (Episode 30)
The mystery of the PORSCHE IMS Bearing is within our Grasp! Will we witness IMS Failure? How many IMS Bearing Solutions are there? Here is my attempt to tell you everything you need to know about Porsche IMS Bearing.
The IMS Solution is just 14 minutes and 24 seconds away........
Check out these episodes for more IMS Information
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EPISODE 18 - "IMS Finally" - • How to RECONDITION a P...
Episode 19 - "Porsche Repair" • How to RECONDITION a P...
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IMS BEARING OPTIONS AND LINKS
TuneRS Motorsports - tunersmotorsports.com/trs-dev...
PELICAN PARTS (OEM) - www.pelicanparts.com/More_Inf...
EPS - European Parts Solutions (Roller Bearing) - amzn.to/3hjnI9w
ROSE PASSION - www.rosepassion.com
RND ENGINES (ROLLER BEARING) - www.pelicanparts.com/More_Inf...
PEDROS GARAGE - www.pedrosgarage.com/Site_2/Te...
LN ENGINEERING - amzn.to/3xi5JG1
LN ENGINEERING DOF - www.pelicanparts.com/More_Inf...
9PRODUCTS - www.9products.com/product/324...
0:00 INTRODUCTION
0:10 IMS TIME
0:33 How to remove the IMS Bearing Flange
1:36 How to remove the IMS Bearing Seal
1:48 How many different IMS Bearing Replacements options are there?
3:15 TuneRS Motorsports DOF IMS Bearing
4:44 TuneRS Dual Row IMS Bearing Upgrade
5:05 How to use an IMS Bearing Removal Tool
5:57 Blackstone Laboratories Oil Analysis
7:04 How to remove the IMS bearing Support Shaft
7:20 Porsche Dual Row IMS bearing inspection
8:04 TuneRS Motorsports Dual Row IMS Bearing Upgrade
8:30 How to install the IMS BEaring Support Shaft
8:46 What does the Porsche IMS do?
9:07 Porsche IMS Intermediate Shaft Cleaning
10:34 How to install a Porsche Dual Row IMS Bearing
11:56 How to install the IMS Bearing Circlip
12:25 How to install the Porsche IMS Bearing Flange
13:07 How to Torque the IMS Bearing Flange to 18 Ft/lbs
13:20 How does the DOF Direct Oil Feed IMS Bearing system work? - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Plenty of ppl shafting Porsche owners for just ball bearing, im sure a SKF bearing of the same size would work for 180k miles
Thanks for another excellent video! This was actually my first time seeing the IMS in detail.
That little bugger has made many grown adults cry 🤑 . It was great to finally see it in its native habitat. Much less intimidating 🤓 . Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Fantastic video , well done.
Great detail, very well done.
I really appreciate the feedback 🙌 Thank you for watching 🤘😎
You are an excellent presenter! Thanks for this. I will be getting hold of TuneRS for a kit.
Super cool Dude! Ask for Roberto 🤘 Best of luck with your Project, thank you for watching! 🤘😎
I didn't realize that so many bearing brands were available. Really well presented! How you ever find the time to do the work, film and edit leaves me in awe! It may be a while before I get anything new out there since I crashed my car at the track! Total write-off. 😰 Guess I need a new project.
I am very sorry to here that! I hope you are back in the track soon! Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Yahooo! IMS my favorite acronym since getting a Porsche! LOL
That Acronym fills most humans with fear and a slight switch . You must have nerves of steel!
as always....great video
Thank you for continuing to watch 😁 🙌
Happy 4th and another great video ! Making the IMS not so scary .
That little bugger is like a cuddly Teddy Bear 🧸 . Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Great video! Not that I'll be doing a replacement myself, but great just to educate myself about it.
The guys at TuneRS are incredible. I happened to be driving by their shop one day when I spotted several Porsches in the lot. Didnt know them, but just wanted to check out the cars. After they asked if they could help me, I let them know that I recently picked up a 996, and that's when Miguel spent a half hour or so talking to me about the car. He was incredibly informative and extremely humble. Walked away saying to myself these guys are the real deal.
I told him I would bring my car in to give it a go over, to see what kind of concerns they might have. Previous owner had an LN bearing installed, but I just changed the oil for the first time since owning it, and I noticed some metal shavings when I cut the oil filter open. Hope this isn't from the replacement bearing, but definitely need to have them check out the car now!
TuneRS are exceptional, you are very lucky to have them as your local dealer. Say hello to them from me next time your in there 🙌 Thank you for watching!🤘😎
Top video! Thank you!
Howdy Jay! You are most welcome, I appreciate you taking the time to comment 🙌 Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Making some great progress! Soon it'll be all together.
Thank you for the encouragement (And Service Manuals 🤓 ) Sir Yogi! 🙏 . I hope Pepper is treating you well 🤩
Great video. Thanks.
Thank you for watching Duderama 🙌
Gr8 video...I had read that the earlier 2 row bearing fitted by Porsche was actually a pretty good (as you evidenced). However, being sealed as you mentioned the oil inside the shaft from repeated heating and cooling would turn acidic and that would eventually eat at the bearing 2 row or not. Thx for sharing!!!
Thank you for watching Ed 🤘😎
I like this IMS solution better than the LN oil fed plain bushing. A ball bearing with an oil feed. If the oil feed fails, the ball bearing will still be fine. Unlike the LN.
Hello Brian, the TuneRS Motorsport DOF design is fundamentally superior to the LN version in the way the oil is sourced also. The LN takes oil from an adaptor screwed onto the oil filter. The TRS version takes filtered oil from the Bank 1 port (closer to the Porsche turbo design) which is something like 30 degrees cooler. Plus being less than half the price, it’s a no brainer. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Stellar video as usual, Finn! What is your ETA on having a driving car? I can't wait for the day that you get to drive this thing off into the sunset! Awesome job!!!
Tom, THAT is the million dollar question that I don't have an answer for??? 😬 I hope is less than another 30 weeks 🧘🏻♂️........................................
Good video how ever👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you Enric! 🙌
Real good stuff!!
Happy summer Nate! 🏖 When this weeks episode went deep into double entendre territory I could not help but hear some wise crack from you in the back of my mind! I may have to start referring to them as “Mallory moments”🤣. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage Yeah, there was a lot of “shaft work” in that vid for sure.
freeze the bearing before you install it. It will go in a lot easier
I'm a LN Engineering Fan. I prefer using their products ! Jake Raby was the first to understand and create an IMS Solution for the MXX Metzger engines. I personally have one in my "99 996. Good to go for many years!! I won't to have to worry about it in my lifetime! HooAh?
Howdy Tom 🤠 , I am very happy to hear that you are so passionate about LN Engineering, can you imagine what it would be like owning one of these cars without the years of insight and product development LNE have brought to the community? Overall, my experience has been very positive with all the companies I have worked with, LN engineering, FCP Euro, TuneRS Motorsport, Hartech UK, Pelican Parts, Prime BMW Parts, Rock auto, plus all the facebook groups, internet forums, car clubs etc, etc , etc 😅. I knew the car was cool, the kick ass community caught me by surprise🥳 . Thank you for watching 🤘😎
I choose the Pelican parts one for my earley 997 when I did the clutch.
My shaft was not full of oil.
I think you made a great choice as there is no place for sealed roller bearings in an engine.
Howdy Andrew 🤠, I wonder why yours had no oil and mine was swimming in it? Some people have suggested drilling a hole in the ims to let any trapped oil flow out and be replaced. What did you choose for clutch and Flywheel? Thank you for watching 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage Hi. I used a Sachs kit. At the time Sachs was the only maker for the 3.8 it was twice the price as you normally pay for a quality clutch. I did not do the flywheel because it was in perfect condition.
The slave cylinder had to go on before the gearbox is bolted all the way down because mine is a self adjusting pressure plate.
Bleeding the clutch afterwards was frustrating. They cannot be bled in the conventional way. vacuum bleeding did not work either so I had to follow the proper pressure bleeding procedure. Even then I still had to pump the pedal a few times in the morning for a few weeks until it sorted itself out.
My cover plate was very dished with at more than a mm gap with a straight edge across it. I think it probably warped due to a previous owners driving style.
My Ims is a single row one. The bearing felt perfect when it came out .
When I heard your English voice I thought great something for the uk market. But I was wrong, all in usd and some don't ship over here :(
Greetings Jacob, That sounds frustrating, there may me a way to solve that issue. To begin with, try copying the tool/part name and pasting it into your UK version of Amazon or Ebay, that could work. With regard to the links not working/availabilty, there has been a similar issue for viewers in Australia. Short of providing amazon links for each country I'm not sure of a way to solve that issue. To get access to the international versions of Amazon I would probably need a VPN. That kind of fancy pants setup will need to wait, its all I can do right now just to get an episode out every week 😅. If there is a particular item you are interested in let me know via instagram message @amaninagarage I will try to find the item for you in the UK Market. Thank you for for watching 🤘😎
Interesting.... I didn't know there were so many options out there for an IMS replacement or upgrade. Couple of questions: Is the oil seal on the backside of the bearing supposed to remain in place? Or will the pressurised oil from the feed line blow it off inside the motor? Also, would it be easier to leave the flange off till the case is together and then install it?
Hello Michael, Great Question on the rear seal, I will ask Miguel! You are absolutely right about leaving the flange off, I will be taking back off again when it's time to put it in the case. I appreciate you looking over my shoulder 🙌 Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Well Done mate think you made the right choice. Couldn't believe the price of the LN Engineering Bearing, they are seriously having a laught, even Dick Turpin had the decency to wear a mask. Mick 😂👍🍻
Duuuude! Seriously....🤑 I have an interesting story about that for whenever our beer situation occurs 😉 . Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Original bearing seems to have many ball bearings missing?
Hello Anthony, that was a few months ago now 😅 I think the bearing I removed was in pretty good shape, if it was missing it’s balls, I never found them them 😳
You have no idea how big of a deal it will be for my son to find out that I was mentioned in a CZcams video. I'm personally disappointed that it wasn't by Amber.
Hello David, I kinda feel that one of the ladies might have done a shout out to you sometime in the last 6 months, you were certainly on the list. Some of them end up on the cutting room floor for various unforeseen factors. No matter what, I will make sure you get one in the near future, we definitely don’t want to disappoint you or your son🥳
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@@jordany7018 Joooooooooooorrrrrrrrrddddddddddaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnn 🙌
@@ManinaGarage Just having fun. Glad the TuneRS referral worked out. Related discussion: when I bought my '99 Carrera4 in 2015 I immediately had the (dual row) IMS bearing replaced by my local (stationed in Germany at the time) Porsche independent mechanic. I considered it a maintenance item and had it renewed at the same time as the clutch because, well, fear-mongering and lack of experience. The dual-row replacement was by FVD and that replacement bearing failed this year. And in other news: my C4 goes into the shop Friday for a short block replacement. After all my research (which led me to you) Porsche of Colorado Springs gave me an offer I couldn't beat so they'll perform the work in the coming weeks. I'll try to document what I can.
@@davidkaley4688 Hey David, that's great news that you will be going with the Porsche of Colorado Springs route for repair. I'm excited for you to get your car back on the road. Also, it was fun to hear you get a shout out at the end of the vid!
See next week RIGHT NOW! 🤓- czcams.com/video/OihA1BfJDdQ/video.html
I realise this is an old vid but I have just seen it. I have no connection with Jake Raby but he was the first was the first to do this so he deserves credit for that. The rest have built on his work. I fitted an LNE IMS Solution kit to a 2004 Boxster S (weak single row original bearing) and it was very well presented, engineered and is an whole of life of car solution. This unit takes oil from a filter adaptor and works very well but is expensive. However if I was doing it again I would use a ceramic bearing with no seals. By the way, if you want to examine the balls and races in the original bearing cut the outer race with a cutting disk. Also why did you thread lock and torque the new bearing retainer nut when you will have to remove it to get the shaft back in the car?
Hello Bill, thank you for taking the time for such a detailed comment. Online and offline, there is great debate regarding who is the original and best. Sometimes patents are expensive to enforce and marketing budgets can trump originality. As a consumer, I am happy to have choices and competition. Regarding the bearing retainer nut, the TuneRS instructions recommend that method. After talking with Lee Jenkins at Hartech he recommend the method I ended up using. It turns out there is more than one way to skin this cat. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
I replaced mine with an EPS bearing kit. It was more than 500 bucks though. I put in a new clutch, bearing and seal in my 986 working in my garage on jack stands. Pretty easy job for a guy handy with tools. Funny, my EPS kit had more stuff to it than your photo and looked just like your Rose kit. I think the Rose kit IS the EPS kit but at more cost. I have 4000 mile since the upgrade and no leaks or noises, as you should expect. I think it is false security to use the pelican bearing ,and the LN solution is way overkill unless you are racing....maybe. It took me a day to get my trans and exhaust out, remove the old bearing with a pilot bearing tool I borrowed from Oreilly's. I would have had it back together the next day, but EPS sent me the wrong clutch disc. They are different between the standard Boxster and the S model, so I spent the 2nd day cleaning up my exhaust and undercarriage. Next day the clutch came and I tapped the new bearing in with the EPS tool provided, and finished it that night. On the road in 3 days. You can do it!
Howdy Alex 🤠 , That EPS kit was on my radar for a while, it looked like a pretty good option. It was one of the very few Bearings that you can buy on AMAZON amzn.to/3xy5l6c . That was where I got the $500 price. Sounds like you are a fast worker, my only excuse is the video part of it takes 10 times longer than the actual "Working on the car" part! I really appreciate you watching and commenting, my hope is for the videos and the comments to be a resource for all of us to keep these cars on the road and enjoy them with our family and friends. 🤓 Thank you for watching🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage I understand about the video part. I was lucky. All my nuts and bolts came off easy. I spent several hours pulling my hair out trying to get my trans back in with the unknowingly wrong disc. But, of course if I had tried it on my trans before I started, I would have seen it was wrong to begin with. I did not suspect that the S clutch was different. Good Luck!
@@alexdarmstaedter454 Thank you for the inspiration 🍀
Yeaaah! The IMSB anticipation is over! From my homework (which was a fraction of yours) I think the TuneRS is a great choice. Dual rows were never much of a problem anyway and the oil feed addresses the problems they did have. I ruled out any of the single rows, ceramic or otherwise, aside from being ridiculously over priced they seem to be failing more and more. I went with the EPS because they report zero failures, I couldn't find any when searching and because I preferred not to install an external oil feed.
That was a lot of stale oil in your IMS, mine only had about an oz. Can't wait to see the Blackstone report. Never heard of Rose Passion, I guess I don't get out enough and will have to look that one up.
Howdy DSC800 🤠, You are absolutely right about the Dual Row Bearings, if Porsche stuck with them I may never have made these videos 😅. The EPS Bearing looks super cool, you are the first person I have heard from that fitted one. And yes, Holy CRAP there was a ton of oil inside that thing 🤯 WOW!. I have heard from some people that they recommend you drill a small hole in the other end of the IMS Tube in order to let the oil out?? This project is full of surprises 🥳 . Thank you for watching 🤘😎
EPS provided me with their punch and oil key to do the conversion at the oil pump. I called EPS and they suggested I DO NOT do the conversion as the bearing was fine as is. So I left out the oil key conversion.
@@alexdarmstaedter454 I haven't done the oil punch either although I think it is an elegant simple way of getting more oil to the bearing and eliminates stale oil from staying in the IMS. According to EPS's founder they came up with that option only because the LN cartel kept bad mouthing their product. In reality the roller bearing gets more than adequate lubrication as it is splashed by proximity to the chain & sprockets.
Hey Finn! Great episode! Did the IMS get pinned or did I miss it?
Hello Eloy,
Good question. I was thinking of putting it into this weeks video but i ended up not mentioning it. I did send the ims to LNE for pinning and bearing installation. When I asked if they could send back my original bearing so I could see its condition they said I would have to wait up to 3 months till they did a new batch if I wanted my bearing returned. I have since found out from multiple reliable/experienced sources that ims runout is “extremely rare” and that ims pinning is a service that drains your bank account for what is essentially a nonexistent problem. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage You kept it positive and saved some 💵. Way to go!
That IMS bearing removal tool looks eerily similar to the one developed by Jake Raby for LN Engineering.
Howdy Phil 996 🤠, that sounds controversial! 😆. I personally have not seen enough of them to know? I did find out that the Pedros DOF is actually the TuneRS DOF sold with an agreement. There are a couple of mistakes I need to put right in the next episode. I appreciate you taking the time to to comment, Thank you for watching 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage I’m not trying to be controversial haha.
Bought my 996 last August and after much research decided on the overpriced IMS Solution.
My reasoning was that it’s probably a good thing to get rid of the ball bearings.
It’s currently at a certified installer and just passed the pre-qualification. 👍
@@Phil99six Besides an awesome product you also get great name recognition for resale with the L N Engineering Solution. It’s conceivable that the resale bump from a LNE sticker might make up the difference in purchase price? Congratulations on your pre-qualification 🙌. I feel very out of my depth with this project though I am enjoying being a tourist 🥸. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
Where is the oil going out again of the bearing ? On the other side the seal is there still.
Thats a question for TuneRS Motorsports 👍 Thank you for watching!🤘😎
Should have just went with the stock double row bearing and you would have been fine.
Woulda shoulda coulda! 😂 Thank you for watching! 🤘😎
Hi, where does the oil go after it has been injected into the bearing?
Thats a question for TuneRS Motorsports! Thank you for watching! 🤘😎
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Howdy Frank 🙌
Your whacking is sub-par.
But on a serious note.. Why didn't you just use a standard double row bearing ? Your old one seemed fine.
Mine has survived +250K km's. However there is some oil seeping down between engine and gearbox so I will eventually find out what state my bearing is in.
Yeah I'm living life on the edge. But it is probably just the crank seal.
I agree that at least in the case of the Dual row IMS bearings the "ISSUE" seems to be blown out of proportion. The Dual Row bearing in this car was in awesome shape, indestructible even👷♂️ The Direct Oil feed was just more interesting, it tickled my nerd bone 🤓. 250 km is impressive, you must love that car. Pardon me for assuming but in my head, you live in North Caldwell, New Jersey ?? However with a car in Km that might mean Canada or Europe??? I am very confused........ Thank you for watching, wherever you are... 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage Am in hiding. In Europe. Cannot be more specific you'll understand. Mostly my girlfriend drives the car. It won't fit me comfortably.
+1 for trying the oilfeeder
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Getting the shaft out is the tricky bit
The shaft is a whole different ball game. 🔨🔧🪛🔨🔧🪚🧰🔩⚙️🔬⚗️🧙🏽🍀🍀
I have a 2005 Boxster with the bigger diameter bearing at 50 K I had the TuneRS DOF Fitted as the original bearing was still pristine, much piece of mind😎
So, I'm going to stare at my computer for 38 minutes...:-)
I’m grabbing a coffee and I’ll join you momentarily Ricardo 😁
Hahahaha. To be honest when you said I know what you all are thinking right now, at 10:15 it wasn’t anything about using the same scotch brite 😄😄😄😄
So happy that people have the same dirty mind that I do 🤓 . I really appreciate the comment, Thank YOU for watching 🤘😎
so was this out of a 1999 porsche 911 i heard the 99 don’t fail like ttw other years is thus true?
This car is a 2001, the last year of dual row IMS. The dual row IMS (found on the 1999-2001) were considerably more reliable. The dual row in this vehicle was in great shape. Thank you for watching 🤘😎
@@ManinaGarage so if the car has 130000 miles you would definitely think it’s time to change wouldn’t you?
@@paulparnitzke7659 Yep 👍
BIG MISTAKE, bearing is not the problem, the molds and axis tolerance are, you can solve a 30-45k kms more but not the problem.
Your point may have been lost in the english translation. Please explain what your talking about. 👍
@@ManinaGarage Engine block molds were suposed to accept around 100 units manufactured without get any danger of excessive tolerances. Porsche due was in a recent crysis because bad sales of 911 and total fail of 928, used more than acceptable number of motor blocks with same molds, that's why is not a bearing problem, bearing failure is the consequence the cause and problem to solve is the engine block which is a undefined number of units whit ims problems due this issue. And no. You cant know what mold is affected. Just crossfingers (thats why are the cheapest porsches the 996,986) are clock bombs. (986 mk2 owner here, no IMS replacement)
@@deetnooniels2722 Where did you get this information from? What defect in the mold are you saying causes the ims failure?
@@ManinaGarage I get it talking with lots of mechanics, here in spain porsche specialists used to start working to Porsche, and then they start their own business. Also phorums in spain are well knowed about this mold issues.