Just went from a fox X2 with three spacers to a coil deluxe 350 spring at 175 lb dressed.... Plenty of sag pedals really well far more sensitive in the high-speed chattery stuff. Need to do some further tuning but certainly notice a difference for the positive.
have you considered messing with pedal kick/anti squat? using different hubs etc? every time ive jumped up engagement my bikes aways feel a bit choppy.
If you want that Rune to ride more to your liking as far as balance is concerned, try adding some spacers under your stem. It has a relatively low stack it looks like and you have the stem slammed. Raise it up and it'll shift your weight back. Whether that rider compartment suits you is another question, but it's worth a shot!
After almost 2 years with my Phantom, the problem is very steep seat angle as you mentioned. I'm going to try the Trek Top Fuel and will let you know about it, Telly.
If I have to pedal up hill, I'd be inclined to take the discount DW (Maestro) but I bet both are nice downhill. I'd definitely choose an alloy Rune over a carbon Reign for descending, but hard to choose between an aluminum model of either. Threaded BB would likely push me towards the Rune, as I abhor PF.
I’m with you on the threaded BB. The rune is over a kilo lighter and seemed to fly up the climb yesterday as well, but the reign has internal storage, and seems to have a more supple suspension design
@@mtbtelly5522 sounds good! I‘m already very excited to watch this one. But I have my stock X2 lying around. Maybe it’s possible to get something nice with this one.. Next week my new 29“ Zeb ultimate 2023 should arrive for my Rune 🤟
@@mtbtelly5522 I‘m really looking forward to this fork! 🤟 For my weight I think this X2 is a bit too harsh on the dampig side. I think you had exactly the same shock on this orange Rune. Maybe I will try this shock once again when it’s warmer again here. But I like my EXT Storia very much too 😊 Would be great if you tried this one too
Why would you run the HSR all the way closed (2:38)? With the adjustment range on the Kitsuma and that light of a spring that thing os gonna pack down like crazy, which could be the reason for it feeling choppy...
There was way too much force coming from it with it more open and adjusted to suit with lsr. I tried that same shock on the Reign and had to go up a spring rate plus some preload, and open the hsr 4 clicks to get adequate response from the start of the rebound stroke, and altered the lsr to suit obviously. I made good progress though with the Super deluxe, quite impressed with the outcome
@@mtbtelly5522 Hmm, that's kinda weird. Have you ever tried getting that "force" under control with the LSR and running the HSR more open? (Which works for me) Here's the thinking behind it: With the HSR adjustment you regulate, at which force the high speed circuit opens up. If you run it fairly closed, HSR only comes in to play, when a lot of force is working against the rebound damping, e.g. deep in the stroke and - and that's the big thought - when the riders weight is not "on" the bike. Because if you're on smoth ground and your weight is on the bike, the springforce is not only working against the rebound damping but also against the rider weight = the HSR-curcuit stays close, since the force in the damping system isn't big enough. So in my opinion, that force that pushes at you is in reallity handled by LSR, while HSR mostly comes in to play, when the shock can rebound freely, e.g. when your rear wheel is not in contact with the ground over bumps and holes and so on. So long story short: In my experience it works best, when you run the HSR fast enough so it opens up even higher up in the strocke with no (let's just call it that) rider weight impact, so over fast chatter, and then use the LSR to get that "force" under control. In reallity i do it like that: ride down a set of stairs and open up HSR until it doesn't get any smoother, after that try to get the control out of the LSR. If there is not enough Range on the LSR close the HSR by one click at a time. Sorry if that's kinda confusing, I'm normally speking german 😅
17.5kg stock - woah!! +2kg more than the stock Slash 8 (not that anyone would keep those flimsy B.S. Stock tyres) No inserts yet / DD/DH tyres.... My Slash is just getting the 2yr/5000km full overhaul, new group-set and all. Sounds like I really need to try a coil on the back..... Have you tried a progressive coil on the Rune? If it's falling off the progression curve deep in the stroke, a progressive coil might hold it up better without the early travel chop??
They don’t make a progressive coil soft enough to work on this setup, i’d need a 300-360 ish to make it work. The superdeluxe ended up killer with a better setup
@@mtbtelly5522 MRP do a 300+ spring - not sure if the ID work work though... maybe worth a look for the reign also(?) Saw your next vid, does sound like you got it dialed 👌 nice work. But what is with the metallic tink/rattle - almost like a cable slappin' the inside of the down-tube(?)
Would love to see you testing a Rocky Mountain altitude
Fox 38 is such a good fork. Still my favorite to date. Looking forward to playing with the new Zeb this season too.
that new giant looks rad glad your liking it man! too bad your over the pond the lyrik would be rad on my remedy Cheers man
Just went from a fox X2 with three spacers to a coil deluxe 350 spring at 175 lb dressed.... Plenty of sag pedals really well far more sensitive in the high-speed chattery stuff. Need to do some further tuning but certainly notice a difference for the positive.
have you considered messing with pedal kick/anti squat? using different hubs etc? every time ive jumped up engagement my bikes aways feel a bit choppy.
If you want that Rune to ride more to your liking as far as balance is concerned, try adding some spacers under your stem. It has a relatively low stack it looks like and you have the stem slammed. Raise it up and it'll shift your weight back. Whether that rider compartment suits you is another question, but it's worth a shot!
Yep, you’re right. I bumped up the front 5mm yesterday and it put me where i wanted to be 👌🏽👌🏽
Also open HSR. That harsh feeling is because of packing up at speed.
After almost 2 years with my Phantom, the problem is very steep seat angle as you mentioned.
I'm going to try the Trek Top Fuel and will let you know about it, Telly.
Have you tried the bomber with the HSC closer to closed with the LSC fairly open? Is the Rune still a 27.5 rear?
If I have to pedal up hill, I'd be inclined to take the discount DW (Maestro) but I bet both are nice downhill. I'd definitely choose an alloy Rune over a carbon Reign for descending, but hard to choose between an aluminum model of either. Threaded BB would likely push me towards the Rune, as I abhor PF.
I’m with you on the threaded BB. The rune is over a kilo lighter and seemed to fly up the climb yesterday as well, but the reign has internal storage, and seems to have a more supple suspension design
I've heard a few people say that the 38s take a few hours to break in.
weird you mention that rebound thing on the 36, ive been feeling that when i was hucking a berm jump to flat... its weird for sure.
Yeah I think its the 29 chassis mostly
@MTB Telly are you not supposed to add the same air pressure back to your forks and shock once you add tokens?
Not necessarily. It depends on what you’re looking to achieve and what your previous set up was doing
Nice video! Could you maybe try a Fox X2 on your Rune too? Cheers
A new vid will drop any minute now with the Rune blasting trail with the Superdeluxe. I got it feeling killer 👌🏽
@@mtbtelly5522 sounds good! I‘m already very excited to watch this one. But I have my stock X2 lying around. Maybe it’s possible to get something nice with this one..
Next week my new 29“ Zeb ultimate 2023 should arrive for my Rune 🤟
@@jim_morrison4583 oh that fork will be killa. The stock X2 works well. My original review of the orange Rune I had a decent tune worked out on it
@@mtbtelly5522 I‘m really looking forward to this fork! 🤟
For my weight I think this X2 is a bit too harsh on the dampig side. I think you had exactly the same shock on this orange Rune. Maybe I will try this shock once again when it’s warmer again here. But I like my EXT Storia very much too 😊
Would be great if you tried this one too
You should try a High Flow Hotdog piston on the SD,mine should arrive this next week
Why would you run the HSR all the way closed (2:38)? With the adjustment range on the Kitsuma and that light of a spring that thing os gonna pack down like crazy, which could be the reason for it feeling choppy...
There was way too much force coming from it with it more open and adjusted to suit with lsr. I tried that same shock on the Reign and had to go up a spring rate plus some preload, and open the hsr 4 clicks to get adequate response from the start of the rebound stroke, and altered the lsr to suit obviously.
I made good progress though with the Super deluxe, quite impressed with the outcome
@@mtbtelly5522 Hmm, that's kinda weird. Have you ever tried getting that "force" under control with the LSR and running the HSR more open? (Which works for me) Here's the thinking behind it: With the HSR adjustment you regulate, at which force the high speed circuit opens up. If you run it fairly closed, HSR only comes in to play, when a lot of force is working against the rebound damping, e.g. deep in the stroke and - and that's the big thought - when the riders weight is not "on" the bike. Because if you're on smoth ground and your weight is on the bike, the springforce is not only working against the rebound damping but also against the rider weight = the HSR-curcuit stays close, since the force in the damping system isn't big enough. So in my opinion, that force that pushes at you is in reallity handled by LSR, while HSR mostly comes in to play, when the shock can rebound freely, e.g. when your rear wheel is not in contact with the ground over bumps and holes and so on. So long story short: In my experience it works best, when you run the HSR fast enough so it opens up even higher up in the strocke with no (let's just call it that) rider weight impact, so over fast chatter, and then use the LSR to get that "force" under control.
In reallity i do it like that: ride down a set of stairs and open up HSR until it doesn't get any smoother, after that try to get the control out of the LSR. If there is not enough Range on the LSR close the HSR by one click at a time.
Sorry if that's kinda confusing, I'm normally speking german 😅
I think they ditched the thru shaft on the new gen fuel ex
17.5kg stock - woah!! +2kg more than the stock Slash 8 (not that anyone would keep those flimsy B.S. Stock tyres)
No inserts yet / DD/DH tyres....
My Slash is just getting the 2yr/5000km full overhaul, new group-set and all.
Sounds like I really need to try a coil on the back.....
Have you tried a progressive coil on the Rune? If it's falling off the progression curve deep in the stroke, a progressive coil might hold it up better without the early travel chop??
They don’t make a progressive coil soft enough to work on this setup, i’d need a 300-360 ish to make it work. The superdeluxe ended up killer with a better setup
@@mtbtelly5522 MRP do a 300+ spring - not sure if the ID work work though... maybe worth a look for the reign also(?)
Saw your next vid, does sound like you got it dialed 👌 nice work.
But what is with the metallic tink/rattle - almost like a cable slappin' the inside of the down-tube(?)
@@GLOBc yeah thats cable rattle. Quite noisy on this denser alloy. I’ve had a go at quieting it but not much success
I'll take the slash
🎉🎉
Your not helping me, got a reign in my cart ready to buy but currently have a good canyon spectral cf8
Why not have both 🤷
@@mtbtelly5522 one bike stable here mate lol
@@MrSupermugen Id take the reign over the Spectral for suspension performance for sure but not weight
@MTB Telly as a one bike only option though? Be looking at the same reign so would be taking quite a devalue if i swapped
@@mtbtelly5522 what do you think the reign would be like for a one bike for all?
The REIGN is better