CJ, What Happened? | The Steve Dangle Podcast
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- On this episode of The Steve Dangle Podcast, CJ joins the show and talks about the last 72 hours (00:00), do you keep the Big Four together? (08:00), Is Zach Hyman coming back? (13:00), can Mitch Marner perform in the playoffs? (29:00), what do you do in the expansion draft? (47:00), re-doing the trade deadline (51:30), and who is coming back next season? (59:00).
Originally aired: June 4, 2021
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43:01 Can we get _"They did everything except win"- Toronto Maple Leafs_ on a shirt? That sounds like the team's motto
LMAO! That's amazing
We've had the saying for a while, in Calgary. We wear that when our "a good 40 minutes" shirt is in the laundry.
The two t shirts I'd like to see for the Leafs:
1) "Good Looks" featuring a dreamy looking Marner.
2) An "Expected Goals For" maternity shirt, with optional Matthews face on a sonagram.
Need that as a banner in the locker room. "We did anything except win."
How about. Division Winners in a Shitty Division.
"The habs were like in the matrix" CJ says at the exact same second Steve brings up his blue gallon and Jessie drinks from his red cup (43:40)
On an episode discussing the deja vu of a Leafs first round exit.
It's going to be a long offseason. I'll just be chilling and then suddenly remember and get all worked up again.
Yup, but it’s not our fault. All we can do is watch, we’re not doing anything on the ice lol
Not that long really... Hockey will be well into June when it's over, close to July with PreSeason starting late September roughly. Will be much faster then most think/feel.
It's the shortest
@@thereaversden6847 it may be short but it will feel like an eternity
Wow precisely the feeling I get.
"Montreal now has it's first 4 win streak in 2 years" Maaan that had me dying i was laughing so hard.
same
6 by tonight
@@toddhsu2871 they got to 7 :D
Anyone else has watched the Steve Dangle Joker trailer from over a year ago and realized just how relevant it is today?
Dude. Go search "do something leafs" and listen to that song (back when Phaneuf and Carlyle were with the team). It doesn't take too much changing of the lyrics to update it to today.
If Steve is gonna stop making LFRs then he should let JT use the blue room so we can make more IKEA furniture
I laughed out loud to Steve’s reaction to the Canadiens 4 game win streak comment.
Hard work beats skill when skill doesn’t work hard
That's why Hyman is more important than Marner who has to be traded to set the tone and course correct.
Cody Ceci works hard, how did that work out?
@@raygaub9861 hey troll
Facts.
skill can work hard and still lose. Luck plays are large element in life. That game 6 ur telling me the leafs didn't outwork the canadians. Shots were 13-2. Not to mention the comeback.
Tampa had at least been to the finals and multiple conference finals when they decided to keep their band together. Leafs have won as many series as Buffalo has in the last 10 years.
Thank you they also bought in Maroon who literally just won a cup Toronto brought in perennial chokers Thornton and Spezza and called them winners
@@DARTZZZZZ the leafs brought in bogosian... who literally just won a cup the year prior and played a similar role/impact as Maroon
Thats what these guys dont seem to understand, every cup winner had at least a couple runs before winning the whole thing. Its not like once you get past the first round youre automatically going to win the cup. You need to lose once or twice in the 2nd round/conference finals before you go on a big run.
@@nolan2235 yes but almost that whole tampa team had a run in 2015 and also Campbell isn't vasilevsky
This dude... this x10000. Don’t know why this isn’t mentioned more. They’re not Tampa. They’re not the Caps. At least those teams actually won a series, or two, or three, or four, or.... I get that this is a Leafs podcast, but boy, push back on these Tampa comparisons.
CJ is insane when he was saying he didn't bring the heat. He's always incredibly entertaining and dropped great news on us on this one.
"Their top line did all the scoring plus Victor Hedman" and Gourde, Killorn, Cirelli, Goodrow, Coleman, Shattenkirk, Sergachev
So half the team 😂😂
Matthews and marner literally just needed to score 2-3 goals between them. Their supporting cast was great.
Mathews beat Marner 3-2 in the points dept.
"They didn't have anything left" is a truly damning statement. How can they be mentally exhausted by game 7 of the 1st round and still expect to win the cup? They've got to win 4 rounds of 4 games each and they struggle with the first 4. Like, when do this group shake off the losing choker mind set that currently follows them around like a bad smell?
This episode I really appreciated the CZcams version with the silent anger/laughter/reactions from Steve that are missed from the audio version of the pod.
Am I the only one dreading this podcast before I've even listened to it?
no. pain.
Avoiding the Leafs related parts (more than 90%) for the next few weeks until either the draft or they talk about the Bachelor again
why?
Regarding CJ's @1:14:14 prediction/teaser -
- I came up with:
Dvorak of @Coyotes
Mantha of @Capitals
Arvidsson of @Predators
All:
1. make less$ than what Hyman will likely cost.
2. Have multiple years left on contract.
3. Are either in transition periods or near cap and endured unsuccessful seasons.
4. On US teams and not currently playing.
@@wubsworld8946 Chris said it was someone that has not played any playoff games this season so I highly doubt it's from the preds or capitals
"Where does this story (the collapse) begin, for you?" When one team showed up wearing Leafs jerseys.
I'd like the Leafs to do a Lightning and Tavares has "lingering effects" from his concussion until next post season and then use his cap number to sign Hyman and a couple of other players.
The Leafs have to learn from the Lightning in another way: you have to be able to win by possession and playing dump it in and go get it. They've good at possession. Not so good an dump and chase.
😂😂😂
For me it's when Kyle Dumbass took over from Lou
It’s been almost a week and I’m still in shock lmao
I' m a 41yr old man with real tears in his eyes (or 2 bugs that flew in my eyes that I'm suffocating by drowning them with tears) either way seems likley.
@@calimarshall2236 I feel worse for you, I’m 15, I cried both years they lost to Boston, I was mad when they lost to Columbus and this year I’m just in awe, this team is unbelievable when it comes to disappointing fans
I'm not shocked as I'm one of the ones who said Habs in 7 from the start
@@User-12133 So you didn't watch the loss to Boston in 2013? You're lucky
@@Waders27 nope, just stuck with the misery trail it left behind
Last time I was this early the leafs had a 3-1 series lead in the canadiens:(
It's sad how quickly it went from 3-1 to out of the playoffs.
"You need to be true to who you are" -CJ
What if you're a loser in the playoffs?
Kappa
It's like the advice my grandfather gave me decades ago : "Always be yourself. Unless you're an asshole."
I do think Toronto should have played on their front foot, and been aggressive in game 7, but they also don’t really get in front of the goal and take risk to get pucks in the net. Even with attacking, they had to play in a far more reckless manner.
Tampa bay lighting did not have 4 forwards players making $40 million. Let’s stop comparing the leafs to the Lightning, Capitals or Red Wings
The Red Wings aren’t like Tampa. They’re more like what’s going on in Pittsburgh. They won multiple cups. So they keep going all in and mortgaging their futures to try and win more. Tampa and Washington are definitely similar, they always look like world beaters, but Stamkos and Ovechkin each only have one Cup ring. The Leafs are something else entirely. It’s like rolling a dumpster on fire off a cliff.
Let’s also not forget that all of those teams won several series’ before finally winning the cup, it’s not like the Bolts, Caps, and Wings lost in the first round for 6 years in a row then suddenly won the cup, no all of them had multiple trips to at least the 2nd round before they won.
If they didn't compare there'd be no decenting opinion lol
7x6 for Hyman? That's a Loui Eriksson contract
The gm that signs that good luck
@Carleton Rutherford Good call forgot about Lucic's contract. Both horrendous.
Bless your heart Steven for listening to Christopher's recap at the top of the pod here. Reopening wounds!
i love u guys. thank you for reporting on these this team.
Every year since the Auston Era, this team is getting better. The top players are getting better especially. Mitch was shooting more this year than the previous years, Auston using his big size more, Nylander even stepping up, JT getting better defensively. They have to break through this wall one of these years...
This is some fine content. I needed this content.
If they can’t bring back Zach, I will get that much angrier about Mitch’s contract.
You shouldn’t, as paying Hyman over 5M AAV with term will be a disaster for whatever team is desperate enough.
@@nicelgie462 Paul Bryon makes, I think, 3.5mil a year and he has similar numbers career wise, so this 5/6mill talk is crazy. There are players that cost less and of similar quality...granted Bryon is 3 years older.
@@stephenphillips6245 yup that summarizes it perfectly. Marner may be overpaid but his skill set is irreplaceable. You can replace what Hyman brings and add another good piece for $6M, depth shouldn’t make that much and as much as the fan base loves him and CJ even said on the podcast; Hyman is not a part of the core.
@@stephenphillips6245 Hyman is worth 5 mill all day. 6? Hell no, his numbers are inflated by who he plays with. I think you can sign him to 4.7 though and that’s a good deal.
@@dillon6320 He is a good player...I just don't know how they sign him and form a complete team over the next couple of years (esp sign some of their next crop of young players).
Just wanna say the following as a Habs fan. despite this being a few years old, I consider this video “ol reliable”. Some days are good, some days are bad, and on the days that don’t go my way, this instills a sense of glee that few other pieces of content ever could. The butterflies always fly far away, it’s the one that understands me, I release the inhibition and feel the rain on my skin, it just does the trick.
Thank you for this gem! 😊
Downloads immediately and turns on chel21. It’s been a long week waiting for this 1. Let’s goooooo
Happy friday
Thanks CJ, love you bud.
omg cj how could you leave us on a cliffhanger for at least a month like this!!! also jesse immediately stating jack eichel with complete sarcastic confidence was my favorite lol
It could be Eichel
Montreal had the toughest last month or so schedule of the league. For over a month, they never had more than 1 day break. Often 3 games in 4 night. Thats because 2 of their players got covid and it delayed their games for a week and a half, compressing the rest of the schedule. None of the north teams had to deal with this (beside the canucks, but they were already out of the race before it hit them). In fact, no NHL team played more hockey than Montreal in the last month and half of the season.
Another team had to deal with covid and it was the Dallas Stars who MISSED the playoffs clearly because of that crazy schedule. You don't go from Stanley cup final to missing the playoffs like that.
Back with habs, without that crazy schedule, Montreal don't get as many injuries during the regular season and definitely wins more games. They would have looked much more "legit". After the season was over, they were able to rest quite a bit, Price came back, Gally, Weber, Danault and so many injuries and game fatigue got healed up.
Brian Burke thought, back in January, the habs would be the team to have the most success in the post season out of all north teams. They are built for this.
Not gonna lie, chris really put things into perspective for me, and showed me things arent as bad as they seem. It still stings like hell but I'm glad you guys brought him in. We needed the unbiased point of view.
That end bit... oooooh... exciting. :D
Pretty damn good analysis of this issue, especially about Mitch.
He’ll find his way.
That dangle laugh at 43:20 was mad funny but one could see the salt litterally bursting through him. I genuinely felt bad for him man...
The difference between Tampa and Toronto is Tampa had a run in 2015 they knew how to win they just didn't Toronto literally doesn't know how to win and the "Winners" they brought in Thornton known playoff choker with 1 run to the final Spezza one run to the final lotsnof disappointment Tampa brought in Maroon who just won a cup thats the difference
Leafs brought in Bogosian who just won a cup.
If the Leafs don't know how to win in the playoffs, how do they keep getting to game 7?
Is it just me, or does it feel like when this team finally gets past the first round, that we will celebrate like they have won the Stanley Cup?
Look at the game 6 broodie goal they celebrated like they won the cup
I've followed the leafs since 2006 and we've never advanced a round. So yes, I'll celebrate it like a cup victory.
My Blues had this problem for what seemed like forever. We did celebrate winning round 1 like it was the Cup when it finally happened. It took the Blues 8 years to finally get to the promised land (well, much longer but I count 2011 as a turning point with the franchise) and it took a LOT of retooling.
At many different points between 2011-2019 I believed the window was closing and the sky was falling. But it eventually happened, and it made all of the suffering worth it.
welp safe to say toronto definitely did lol…and then round 2 came.
CJ leaving us on that tease... A+ sir
can't be jack eichel...could it?
Regarding CJ's @1:14:14 prediction/teaser -
- I came up with:
Dvorak of @Coyotes
Mantha of @Capitals
Arvidsson of @Predators
All:
1. make less$ than what Hyman will likely cost.
2. Have multiple years left on contract.
3. Are either in transition periods or near cap and endured unsuccessful seasons.
4. On US teams and not currently playing.
@@wubsworld8946 Mantha and Arvidsson played in the playoffs, so they're ruled out of that
@@mvk4343 yep. I miss interpreted a portion: my ammendment as follows includes only Dvorak as an idea.
Regarding CJ's @1:14:14 prediction/teaser -
- So far I came up with:
Dvorak of @Coyotes
1. Have multiple years left on contract.
2. On US team.
3. Didn't play in the playoffs at all this year.
CJ: They did everything but win
Steve: *dies*
I would listen to offers and have conversations about everybody on the roster. But I would be willing to keep the core and give it another kick at the can. Go Leafs Go!!
Man, CJ is the best
Watching this a week before the next playoffs start against the lightning. Let's see if this repeats itself.
During the regular season a buddy and I thought that we were seeing one of the best teams we have watched, and we have been watching for a lot longer than the SDPN guys. No playoff success, it really sucks. And yet, they were really good! You don't throw all of that away in anger and frustration. The coach didn't adjust, that was a big thing. The power play should have been fixed before the playoffs started. That was a problem, and that rests with both the coaching staff and the players. I don't know what the summer will bring, but I would not be surprised if they stand pat and build around them again and see what happens.
Do you think Claude Julien or Gerard Gallant would make adjustments? I couldn’t see them roll Marner out on the same line time after time.
I feel so bad for Steve. Just in constant agony because to CJ’s insights.
believe it or not, i feel better after watching this one. CJ is incredible and gave me some good stuff to think about and honestly some hope. leafs will still be good and make some moves to improve. but man i hope the leafs keep my man Hyman.
Also I agree, Hyman would be a huge loss...
Leafs: keep having to give up their Depth to afford the top end
Also Leafs: We have no scoring Depth
Selfish players squeezing every last penny they can for themselves leaving next to nothing to ice a competitive team. Management coddling players before they've proven a damn thing.
Also, also Leafs: We only have depth and no top end
The Leafs ARE a Juggernaut.
They are a Jugger, but at the same time they are Naut.
They need Juggernog at this point to withstand all the physical play that they can't compete with
Regarding CJ's @1:14:14 prediction/teaser -
- So far I came up with:
Dvorak of @Coyotes
1. Have multiple years left on contract.
2. On US team.
3. Didn't play in the playoffs at all this year.
Steve with his face in his hands; 5:46. Yup, thats pretty much the way my life has been for 52 of my 57 years. My only consolation is they won twice while I was alive and just before I was born in '64.
Gotta love CJ :D
I can't wait to cry
Phil Kessel 2022 Stanley Cup Champion
Assistant Captain Toronto Maple Leafs
Con Smythe Award winner!
CJ broke it here first!
CZcams recommended this to me, thought it was for this year
Yes! Bring in CJ to make sense of all this
I love how in Canada everyone is so nice that mean comments on social media is considered "nasty". Imagine choking a series in a European team, coming out of the rink and there's cars on fire. If Mitch can't get over this then you really need mentally tougher guys...
And I really don't wanna move on from Marner...
The Leafs powerplay is ALWAYS looking to score the "perfect", "pretty" goal. I was horse yelling at my TV for them to just shoot. They need to shoot. Shoot. AND then Shoot some more. Puck possession and sweet passes do not score goals. Shoot-The-Puck. At-The-Net.
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Been waiting for this one to tell me how to feel lol
Adam ask CJ the question were nodding off hearing another story lol
Fedorov shout out! nice!
What a wonderful player. Essentially a video game “create-a-player” tier talent.
The one silver lining, the previous series you could throw some caveat or excuse to justify it, even though you would hope the team would not think about it like that.
Washington they were favoured to get swept but instead put up a spirited performance. Boston got real tiring after a while but you could say “that’s Boston”. Columbus you could throw out the bubble and no training camp for Keefe, and maybe even put all of those years under a Babcock caveat.
This was humiliating and they are fresh out of even the wildest of excuses. It’s probably the angriest and most apathetic the fanbase has ever been in the modern era and that includes the years they were trapped in horrible management.
The Tampa comparisons are pretty awful, a better imo yet still flawed is those Caps who eliminated the Leafs in 2017, to get taken out in a Game 7 by the Penguins the next round. That was 0-3 for Caps vs. Pens in the Ovi Crosby era at that point, 2 of them Game 7s. Narrative was the Caps would never make the 3rd round or ever beat Crosby, Ovechkin may never win the cup, Holtby is washed, and they did it the next year.
The Leafs bar is just so much lower that the equivalent will be winning a round, but hitting that rock bottom and nearly the whole fanbase having no hope may just be what the Leafs need to clear their heads.
I really hope we get a few players for the 4th line that are fast, ornery, high energy and are very stiff to play against.
Lmao chris is wearing his juggernaut shirt
I would say they need a shutdown line. you have your offensive 2 lines down pat, matthews marner tavares nylander. their 3rd line or 4th line needs to be a shutdown center that they can just take out an opposing 1st line, maybe not score, but just lock down the dangerous offense from another team
I love Zach Hyman, I don’t want to lose him but I want whatever is best for HIM
I've seen the shirt for sale, it was $29.99 cant remember where tho. Maybe the fanatics website?
I have always been against trading nylander for you guys as a non leafs fan but wow if you have a chance to sign dougie hamilton for around 7 mil and keep hyman you move nylander and reilly all day, you can find 20 -25 goals a year for about 4.5 mil and you might even have it for significantly less in robertson.
Its so true, the hardest thing to do is nothing. I'm mad too but I really don't think we do any either.
What I get out of this is a complete lack of answers, and very few promises that anything will be different next year.
THANK YOU I STILL NEEDED THERAPY
Dubas says the leafs made progress I guess based on regular season results. But I would trade Montreal s place for Toronto anytime. I would rather be 16th in the regular season and go 2 or 3 rounds of playoffs vs 1st in the regular season and 7and out of the playoffs. Build a playoff team. Regular season means nothing.
love how steve has kept the beard, suits him 👌
They did everything but win killed me😂
CJ "They should be the team that no team can contain"
Me "It's working in Colorado"
hey chris tampa won a cup without stamkos , tell us all against about the jt injury holding the leafs back
Tampa has more depth. You don't need C.J. to answer that.
So you think the Leafs are as good or better without Tavares?
Mitch should try and add atleast 10 pounds of muscle this summer. Needs a bit more strength on the puck and the balls to drive the net.
10 pounds? try like 20 lmao dude is like 170 soaking wet
@@colinlata6224 *at least 10 pounds* that doesn't mean stop at 10, but realistically 10 is a good start for a smaller guy. I'm about his size and took 3 months to put on the weight needed for my college program (15lbs added from 160)
Marner hit the Jackpot on a slot machine that Zack Hymen is just about to play on...
Steve looks like he's in pain while Chris talks. Hilarious. Chris' perspective is exactly what's wrong with the Leafs.
I’m watching this as a neutral (Blackhawks fan) and thinking “Steve, tell this dude he’s full of 💩already.”
how? I think everything Chris said was pretty on the money.
I can’t believe all the love for CJ in the comments. He is a complete moron and if that’s how leafs fans think, then no wonder they’re a bunch of losers!
Let’s go Chris is back again
Chris said it! They need to be MORE BETTER!
My counterpoint to Toronto needing to look at Tampa when they lost to CBJ. TB had already had great playoff success. Cup final appearance, two conference finals..
The habs now have a 5 game winning streak... their first since 2017. That shows will and effort (as well as playoff-Price)
if a team is willing to pay Zach Hyman 6 million dollars and term he should without question take that deal.. he plays a hard style and his body deserves whatever someone is willing to pay.. however; the Leafs should not be the ones to offer that contract. I just watched Tofolli score a goal that Hyman is just not capable of.. Toffoli is 4.2mil and the max i'd offer Hyman is 3.7x8, MAYBE 4.. if we know anything watching guys that play that style, it's that their bodies break down. He doesn't have skill to rely on, thats why he works so hard because if he eases off the gas even a little bit, hes not nearly as effective. Id give him term because it's the right thing to do, but I wouldnt give a higher AAV
Possibly a short term deal with Hyman? 2 -3 yr?
So who do we think the player is that CJ is talking about at the end? Eichel like Jesse said? I was thinking Giroux since they talked about him maybe going to Ottawa before but he only has a year left and Chris said multiple years left
Alright, I might be crazy, but to give context, I listen to this podcast while I do some work in the mornings; I thought, for a whole minute, at 29:54 that there was a Call of Duty "hitmarker" sound just inserted into the podcast... only to then realize it was Adam smacking his lips in mid-thought.
Leafs need their big guys to play that playoff style hockey and break through. Nylander seems to have figured it out, I'm sure Tavares can do it. Just need Matthews and Marner to get on board. Can't manufacture that playoff desperation or style by getting over the hill vets to play on the third and fourth line.
Mackinnon, Landeskog, and Rantanen do it for Colorado. Bergeron and Marchand have done it for years in Boston, Pastrnak now follows suit. Kucherov and Point do it for Tampa, the whole Islanders lineup plays that way. Sure, find guys that can play that way to play throughout the lineup, but until our best players do it, this team isn't going anywhere.
The big name player who CJ was hinting at is Chychrun, right?
You should be able to do an 8 year deal for Hyman at 4.5 mill per. That’s 36 million and puts him to 36 years old! You front load with Toronto signing bonuses and give him a really good book deal with chapters lol... he would be set for life.
The Leafs changed the power play to load up for a period here or 1 PP there or maybe 1 game in mid-season and then went back immediately to Joe Thornton in the bumper OR Simmonds as the net front.
I will bet anything that per 60 mins the PP2 with Willy, Tavares, Spezza out scored PP1 or at least out chanced and out-entered the zone succefully than PP1.
They never changed the drop-back pass to Mitch and Auston when Willy and Spezza and Sandin and Rielly are WAY BETTER at transitions, transporting the puck up and entering the zone the Big two.
From CJ's hints, it has to be Ekblad? anyway can't be borthered to see if anyone has mentioned it or if it has been mentioned in a later podcast, just catching up now.
I mean, I don't see Freddie staying and that money can be used to juice some kind of Hyman money to keep him around a few years and bring up guys from the AHL. It's about time to bring them up and draft for the AHL and future again
Love Chris on this podcast! always look forward to episodes with him in.
as a habs fan I've just started watching all the toronto sports / podcasts...it's possibly more entertaining than the game itlself.
Same, im loving all the meltdowns and second guessing
CJ is a beauty
Can Wendel Clark and Doug Gilmore come help coach the leaf's? Love the podcast thanks for doing it.
Is it even possible for a team to reasonably assemble a top six that is Hyman or Nylander calibre and paid as such, that would be equal to Toronto's current top six's cap hit and apparently have the same or greater impact in the playoffs. Food for thought.
CJ is talking out of his butt. Tampa had won the conference during the regular season, made it to the conference finals, won several series, and never lost 4 first rounds and a play-in round.
Tampa won the presidents trophy and lost 1st round to the blue jackets, it doesn’t matter what other teams did
I am honestly so sad that the Cup Finals this year can no longer be Leafs vs Boston
A team Like San Jose could use Hyman. I’m sure they will look at him in the offseason, if the Leafs don’t get him signed
CJ actively trying to kill Steve here