Middle Earth SBG Battle Report! ~ Dunland Vs Dwarves
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- čas přidán 22. 09. 2021
- In this episode of the Conquest Champions League we have Jeremy The Green Dragon, Going up against Al, The King Under the Mountain! Its 500 Points of pure competitive wargaming!
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Jeremy better not embarrass us!
That haircut is certainly a... unique choice lol
Absolutely incredible to finally see Jeremy’s face after spending all my teenage years listening to his voice for thousands of hours. And he did not disappoint! Sad to hear about the lockdown so I guess there’ll be a fairly hefty delay for some games but hopefully there’re some already filmed waiting to come out! Very excited for the future and in the meantime during lockdown maybe an idea would be getting people to chat about their army why they chose it strengths and weaknesses or whatnot on zoom!
This makes me feel old! Doesn’t seem that long ago we started the podcast. ~Jeremy
It's always a pleasure to watch 2 great players throw down and getting to see a full match of Jeremy's (instead of hearing a recap) is a rare sight indeed
An absolute masterclass from Jeremy, loved his narration during his turn. Great watch!
Your battle reports for your champions league are just so good! Thank you for that. Looking forward to the next one...
Thanks mate the next one is on its way!
The best battle reports on CZcams
Thanks mate! I really appreciate it
Those dunland housecarls look AMAZING. It would be awesome to somehow fold them into a Rohirric army
With a bit of conversion work one could probably use them to depict royal guard.
Rest well Dwarven brothers! Great game!
Loved it! Great seeing Jeremy after listening to his voice for like 200 hours on my commutes
Insanely good paintjobs on display here. Plus i really liked the narrative style battlereport. It's dynamic and easy to follow. Great job, best battlereport (production quality) on youtube I've seen so far.
Great job as always Conquest Creations, keep up the great work.
Jeremy, we want to see you more on youtube! And your fellow green dragoneers as well! We have so much to learn!
Jacob is going to have me back for at least one more. After that, it will probably depend on Conquest Creations and the other local CZcams channels for how often I appear on this platform.
Man the format is AWESOME. Other BR take at least an hour with bad camera work but u guys made it so nice to watch, with the close ups and and in between summaries and commentaries. Looking forward to the next one!:)
I try to keep the videos as concise and interesting as possible. That is the kind of video that I would choose to watch
@@ConquestCreations and its the most enjoyable to watch like that, keep it up!;)
I've been waiting for this! Woohoo! Go Dunland!
Great work Jacob, the bat reps are awesome. Liked, subscribed and order placed on conquest creations. Very happy with the postage cost to uk!
Really enjoying this. Thank you
Glad you enjoyed it
Jacob, your production quality is the best battle rep there out there keep crushing it! In my opinion, Al needed fewer Hearth Guards and more Dwarf Warriors with shields, it would have given him more models that he would have needed even if he passed this battle. Also why Dwarf Rangers? Dwarf Warriors with bows are way more powerful and have a better defense for the same points. Another way he could have played is to take the kings champ (includes 2 banners) for fewer points then Durin then just take like 8 Khazad Guards and then warriors with shields and then the captain's warband with like 2 Dwarf Rangers with longbow and like 4 Dwarf Warriors with bows then fill out with more Dwarf Warriors with shields.
Thanks for the comment mate! We are trying our hardest to increase our quality.
The comparison between dwarf Rangers and dwarf warriors with bows is an interesting one. The both have pros and cons. Strength 3 bows is nice but dwarf Rangers have a 24" range and a 3+ shoot value. I think the right choice is a mix of the two.
The king's champ is so strong. In my dwarf army I am definitely taking one
Very cinematic report, well done!
Great video as always!
Such a great video! Loved Jeremys tactics on overcoming the Hearth Guards. Loved it and has made me think what Dwarves would I have taken and where would I have deployed to beat this Dunland army
Loving these. Keep them up 😊
Love these short, nicely edited matches
Glad you enjoyed!
Awesome content as always. Your videos are quite inspiring :)
Thanks mate, there are more on the way
That was class again jacob your battle reports are amazing
Wow Jeremy is unsurprisingly so good with that army 🤩
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it
Armies look great and interesting! Love the Batrep :)
Wow, that was brutal! What a game :)
Waiting for 1080p. I love those battle reports: i’d like they last longer. Regards from Italy
Amazing Battle report! you can see the experience from Jeremy, loosing almost no models by spliting the force. :)
would love to see more from you guys! Do you know when it would be possible again?
cheers
Excellent performance from Jeremy there - lovely to see those dunland in action :D \
fantastic content!
Much appreciated!
Not only were the dwarves outnumbered but they didn't get their full force into combat from the start.
Sending in a few guys with a heroic on turn 2 didn't need to happen. If the dunland charge in at least that puts the combats a bit closer to the main battle line of hearthguard and let's durin and company get in a bit quicker.
Should be interesting to see how Jeremy and dunland match up against the easterlings and the khand chariots.
Amazing Batrep as always! Very interesting lists from both sides, would have been interesting to see how the game would have gone if Durin had been in the thick of it sooner!
Yeah this is the dwarf players responsibility to not commit to combat if they are not quite ready for it. Though he is a massive points sink
@@spikejohnson3936 yep in the first heroic move,the dwaft player would go back and wait for durin also the dwarves die very quickly
Gg dunland. Very beautiful painted minies.
Hello, I’m usually not one to be a rules stickler, but given this was a tournament game where people actually might care about winning, at 14:40 when the dunland player asks if a model fits through a particular gap between two models, he proceeds to push two models apart to make more room(the two blue dwarven rangers). I’m new to this game entirely, and this comment is being made a year after the fact so it doesn’t really matter, but regardless it seems like a cheap tactic from an otherwise excellent player
Was scrolling thorugh to see if anyone else had made this comment before I did. My only thought was the angle was pretty bad so possible the gap was a lot bigger. Plus he could've charged past the first Dwarf if the gap hadn't been there anyway.
Been listening to Jeremy for years. Seems like an incredibly nice guy and good sport. Happy he pulled out the win!
Awesome table
and that is why the line of Durin was not wiped out. Durin was taken prisoner and then was subsequently released on good behaviour
a lot of hindsight and indecisiveness from the dwarves here. Running here and there, getting surrounded and picked up in small portions while not fighting much. Not quite what I expected after the intro hype for the dwarves ;) rangers as always didnt do sheit, at least that went as expected. xD
I think the credit needs to go to Jeremy though he played that fantastically
@@simwify yes, he took advantage of the opportunities nicely. If I play durin at this low points level (I wouldnt but I did play him at 600 and against dunland) I go straight for the biggest enemy blob I can find with durin in my first rank, no matter the scenario x) DU BEKAR!
@@Jewus19 This is a really hard army for objective scenarios. I think the best way to play them is a horde of the with king champ and captains. I then add in a ballista to control some flow of the game
Somehow always the side with more miniatures and glass cannons wins… seems to be a pattern with the game
Here taging objectives spread out really helped as the glass cannons also are fast and have flying units.
**spoiler!**
Wow, those dwarves got mulched. Great game and superb narration thanks very much!
Glad you enjoyed!
Good game! I think Dunland are very strong against dwarves. I had a similar match up at ArdaCon, and a similar approach. Try to keep the dwarves spread out, then get as many combats lined up as possible before using your war cry and stack it with piercing strikes. It's downhill for the dwarves from there and I'm not really sure how they can combat it. I was able to get Gorulf onto Durin and, with the help of a horseman, managed take him out.
Dunland is a great match up for dwarves because they can rip through their high defence. Impressive to take out durin. He is one of the toughest models in the game
Top painting
Would love to know the paint scheme for that Dunland if its written anywhere? Beautiful army!
Where'd those towers with the trees wrapped around them come from?
I'd love to know how you painted those dwarves?
Your Lothlorien terrain is excellent, how did you make it?
It is from printable scenery.
Allô im kinda new to mesbg and tha video is a year old but o find at the start you talk about alt sculpt and on your site indont see them, where can i find them plz, btw i really like your content
After spending over six days of my life learning from Jeremy on the Green Dragon Podcast, I'd be sad to see him wiped off the table :)
He certainly showed his expertise in this game
@@ConquestCreations you should make a minas morgul table top game fortress and the battering ram grond if you do so I would like to buy both from you
@@ConquestCreations for minas morgul fortress would be a good product to buy especially with grond the wolf battering ram
I’m guessing those 6 days were just the Isengard episode? :P
@@pookelywoo3954 Just the Isengard and Mordor episodes, actually :) On half speed...
Hi Jacob! Any idea if/when that Khand models from Medbury will be available on your store? I've had my eyes on them for some time and I'm looking for someone who sells the printed models. Thanks and great job as always!
I have a heap in stock I just haven't finished off the product photography yet. If you want to get your hands on them drop me an email at theconquestcreator@gmail.com and I can get them to you before they go on sale
I’m very interested in the khand models as well! I watched the video on tv and had to jump online to find out where I can find them.
Where is the elvish scenery from?
Where did those treehouses and the other terrain pieces come from?
You can find there from here: www.otpterrain.com/collections/elven-scenery
or 3D Print them yourself from here: www.printablescenery.com/product-category/fantasy/elves/
Loved the dunland army! How are those dunland horsemen made?
They are forgeworld minis
Are you, by the rules, allowed to push enemy units to the side to make a bit more Space, like Jeremy does here 14:45 or do they just not take the rules too seriously?
Go Dunland!
It's even crazier when you get the chance to play against him
It really was a poor dwarf list and play from the Khazad-dum really meant you could see where the game was going to go as soon as the first heroic move was called. Credit to Dunland though for taking advantage of all of this.
What changes to the dwarf list would make an improvement?
I'm surprised you think the list is so bad. I know you play a lot of dwarves but Al came second place at a 750 point army with a similar list just scaled up.
I haven't played Kazad dum yet but without spears it seems to make sense to go elite because you aren't able to leverage your numbers very well without spears so going for a dwarf horde doesn't seem optimal. Is there something I'm missing here?
Going full elite just isn't viable in so many scenarios these days for dwarfs. By reducing your model count you limit your options. In exchange, you increase your killing power but that was never a major problem for dwarfs to begin with.
By far the biggest problem with the list is the lack of Dwarf warriors with shields. These guys are essential and should make up 33-50% of your army. The ability to shield combined with the D7 and F4 means that they are able to hold up lines and larger groups by themselves while the rest of your army can get into position. They also will match most other opponents elites in a fight often for fewer points.
For example in this game, if we assume the captains Warband were dwarf warriors with shields instead of rangers that force would have been able to in all likely hood hold long enough for Durin and the hearth guard to get involved as they could have shielded to dramatically increase their chances. Still wasn't a great position to be in but gives you a better chance.
On a side note as well dwarfs get better the higher the points because their weaknesses naturally become less relevant and their strength more prevalent the more models you get on a table so it's not too surprising to me that the equivalent list would be stronger at 750.
@@gwflora615 The lists I have taken at around the 500pts mark That I have been successful with are very different to this. First off at this points level I usually opt for the kingdom of Moria. Durin is too much of a points sink to get value from him at this points level for me. Opting for Balin and either Gimli or a Kings Champion is a better route at 500, I usually swap to Durin at around the 700 mark when Balin becomes a bit too vulnerable as a general. I also don't rate hearth guard and think they are surplus to requirements in the list and not worth the expense at 500.
As a quick write up of 2 different 500 lists off the top of my head:
Balin
x4 Vault warden Teams
x3 Dwarf warriors, Shields
x1 Dwarf Warriors, Shield, Banner
x1 Dwarf Ranger, bow
Gimli
x3 Vault warden Teams
x4 Dwarf warriors, Shields
x1 Dwarf Ranger, bow
26 models
or
Balin
x5 Dwarf warriors, Shields
x3 Dwarf Ranger, bow, Throwing axes
x2 Khazard guard
x3 Iron Guard
King's Champion
x2 Heralds
x4 Dwarf warriors, Shields
x2 Dwarf Ranger, bow, Throwing axes
x2 Khazard guard
x2 Iron Guard
27 models
For a slower moving army with higher courage, wouldn't it be better to play a game where it is about final positioning? Try get the break and then get some battlefield control?
Please tell me how I am wrong. I've never actually played as I've been in lockdown since I started collecting
You are correct, but the issue in this game was the numbers and mobility advantage was so large to Dunland that it was difficult to take even fights for the dwarves and still hold more than one objective. A different stratergy would have been to turtle up and try to break the Dunland army first before trying to win the game with the VPs for breaking the enemy and controlling 2/5 objectives. It still would have been very difficult, Jeremy would have taken his time to circle and envelope the dwaves regardless.
Yep you are right, spreading his forces would have been even worse for the Dwarf Army. And fighting in one point of the battleground until the Dunland army is broke was very dangerous too because of the end of the game on a 1-2, it could finish juste after without time to retag the objectives.
That works mostly in theory, seeing the armies involved.
The Dwarves were severely outnumbered and less mobile than Dunland, so they could not afford to split to cover objectives. At the same time, their usually high defense doesn't mean that much when the enemy can use piercing strike with almost his whole army and has 4 more might points to use to control initiative.
Even in a straight fight, Dunland had the means and the speed to avoid taking the dwarves one on one, and the battlefield was open enough to allow for the faster moving dunlendings to encircle their line.
Great looking armies and terrain. I do wonder how the elves of Lothlorien feel about the dwarves swinging axes around their trees. That may generate a few dislikes :D.
The Elves must have been out for a stroll when the dwarves wandered in!
Is it worth to invest in this game? I am afraid to start and never get the minis I want or maybe the game gets discontinued.
The game is very good but it's called let's kill dwarves as if they were goblins ... they imagine in the war of the books these Dundledins destroying dwarves like this ... I don't know what happens.
Do you have an all options Easterlings report?
I have heaps of Easterling Reports just check out the videos on the channel and you will find quite a few
@@ConquestCreations which ones are all options? Thanks!
Only I have 360p version available?
I'm having the same issue, but it's been happening to a few youtube videos for me today, no idea what the problem is
That weird! I think it might be an issue through CZcams because I am getting the 1080p version on my end
I know counter-calling Heroic Moves is a popular use of Might, but I think it's wasteful. In both cases where it happened here, the counter-call did nothing. It seems like "you have to", but I really think you don't . . .
I think that counter calling is often the most important use on might however it needs to be done at the right time or it can be very wasteful. It certainly depends on the amount of might you have in your army. Jeremy had nine while Al only had 5 meaning that he needed to be a lot more conservative and let some stuff go
@@ConquestCreations Don't get me wrong - I feel the pressure to counter call all the time. When it works, it's awesome. Maybe I'm jaded, but it seems like every time I call it second, I lose the roll off...
Can i see the lists played?
Link to all the lists in the description
@@Liam_TheNoob oh thank you, i really didn't see it
It's pronounced like crebine. Whenever you see a middle earth name with ain it's an ine sound haha :)
Just checked how they said it in the film and you are completely correct. I have said it wrong every time hahaha
Fulgrim video when?
When will the next one be !!!!!😀
It'll be out in a fortnight but after that we have run into a pretty major issue. The city of Melbourne has been in a lock down for the past 8 weeks and will likely remain in lockdown for another 5 or 6. This means that we haven't been able to film. The Conquest Champions League is a 7 game series and only 5 of them were filmed before lockdown so there will have to be a bit of a break. I'm planning on making heaps of other content in the mean time. What kind of things would you like to see?
@@ConquestCreations The battle reports are really good or the quest of the ringbearer would be really good
*SPOILER WARNING*
When Durin was rolling to wound Gorulf, wouldn't Gorulf immediately need to use his fate as he'd taken two wounds? That way Durin would have saved his might as Gorulf then failed the fate roll.
No, fate is used after ALL wounds are calculated - therefore modifiers on 'to wound' rolls are required to be used first.
Thanks for the response! Btw, would it make any difference if Durin's rolls were made one at a time? What with the recent FAQs on rolls all at once vs. one at a time I just wondered.
@@peterm.9379 Sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean?
@@peterm.9379 I believe that if durin had rolled one attack at a time that the same situation applies but on a smaller sample size. So if the first attack had been the one that failed to wound he would have to commit to either using (or not using) might before he rolled his second attack.
This is why rolling together is usually better because at least he knew he had 2 guaranteed wounds and the might would be worthwhile whereas with just one attack he could use the might and then botch another attack later.
Having said this I did not check back to the FAQ you mentioned when writing this but this is how I understand it would work.
@@matthewkappos3602 Actually no - if you roll one die at a time, he needs to respond to each one. A lot of competitive players don't do it that way because of how much time it takes. You're right though - you have to use Might in the moment to fix a failed wounding roll, which is yet another reason a lot of players don't do it.
Dunland are awesome and crebain look good, but I think again the dwarven armour is going to be too tough
lol you might be in for a surprise
@@FoxgroundMusic yep, I didn’t account for Jeremy being a pretty awesome player
And the Dunlendings being Strength 4 with axes means that with piercing strike they kill the Khazad Guard on a 5+ and the rangers on a 4+
@@peterm.9379 I’d forgotten the axe spam, last time I played against dunland they didn’t need it as I had a block of Rohan infront of them
Good LORD why tf are they so CLOSE!??!
Are you playing Age of Sigmar rules????
I wouldnt even bother at that point, just put them an inch apart and be done with it. jesus!
Not sure you have played middle earth before. It's a great game you should definitely give it a shot!
This is how the game is played, for models to fight they must be in base contact and each model operates independently rather than in units