tolerate it: it's in 5/4 time signature, which is why it sounds "irregular". Your brain automatically wants 4/4 signature, but it's such a great choice, because it almost emulates how she's "younger" and "inexperienced" and is always out of step in this relationship. It also matches how the song ends: with no resolution. The time signature never feels balanced or complete, just like their relationship isn't balanced and we never get a definite decision from Rebecca's: she's still sitting and watching him and we're left waiting for her action.
Oh wow! I absolutely love the beats now but I thought they were really uneven. I guess it shows the state of the character's that just can't seem to decide on her actions. Simply ingenious 👏
So interesting to hear your interpretation of “use my best colors for your portrait” - I always understood that to mean that she paints a portrait of him (metaphorically) using her very best colors, like she does absolutely everything for him
I agree! And that she maybe portrays him to her family and friends with her very best colours. She’s covering up, or painting over if you will, the darkness and portraying him in a good light to the world. But he only tolerates it
@@willow950 Yes! There's so much inspiration from Rebecca I love it! Also the narrator in Rebecca is also an artist so she is literally selecting her best paints to draw his portrait too??
@@Aiibh of course! In my opinion it is about the speaker leaving the person. The metaphor of "gaining the weight" of their relationship and then, by leaving she would be losing the weight of that person (possibly also hinting that the relationship feels heavy etc.) . Similar to the previous line (took this dagger in me and removed it) the speaker is saying that it would be very hard to leave the person they are talking about, but that it was possible. ("Believe me I could do it) That is how I have always interpreted that line, I hope this made sense and sorry for the rambling comment, I got a bit carried away aha!
@@dontdeletethexos oh dear holy god! This feels soo different now, believe me i could do it makes soo much more sense. Yk as part of the fandom i always take warmth in the fact that we all have different opinions about songs and we all yet so respect each other's opinion, cause well Taylor writes songs which obviously has more than one meaning, and being an active swiftie, who has heard numerous breakdowns of tolerate it, yours was the most satisfactory. I m contented with "took this dagger in me and removed it". And hey on the length of the comment, no need to be sorry...i soo much understand your feelings 💀😂, whenever someone asks me about my opinions on Taylor's songs, this is EXACTLY how i react. Excited as hell and ready to spend my time. However hey, what's your fav song from evermore and what's your fav ALBUM?
@@Aiibh I think it also means that you have to embrace the burden until it becomes too much that you have not choice but lose it. 'Took this dagger in me and remove it' might mean she has to feel the hurt and remove it herself even though she knew she's gonna bleed.
@@Aiibh honestly thought that I had replied to this, sorry! Wow that's a hard question! My favourite song on evermore... I mean it's really hard to see past champagne problems (THAT BRIDGE) but I absolutely love Dorothea and happiness as well. In terms of favourite album? Although I absolutely adore the shock Taylor gave us all with folklore and it was so unexpected it was that much better, I would have to go with 1989. I just connected to that album so much, and was going THROUGH IT when it came out, so it was kind of like my emotional crutch 😅😅 (hearing TV's of wildest dreams made me so emotional I'm not ready) What about you? :)
I see Evermore as the epitome of storytelling. In Folklore she wrote more musical songs but still more about an specific feeling or situation. In Evermore she wrote literal stories with full plots and even plot twists, she’s literally insane and we love her for that
“Drawing hearts in the by-line” I always thought this lyric was another metaphor for her worshiping him. The by-line of an article is the line in which the author or writer is stated. By her drawing hearts in the byline I always saw it as her drawing hearts beside his name, still making him her everything. Xxx
I agree!! And I also believe that this can be another example of how she feels like a kid alongside with the "waiting by the door like I'm just a kid" and always mentioning how he is older, because drawing hearts beside the name of a person you like is a teenager/child thing to do.
Exactly! The byline is not the margins, it's where the writer is named. It's actually obvious, at least to me, that her husband is a writer -- "While you were out building other worlds, where was I? / Now I'm begging for footnotes in the story of your life / Drawing hearts in the byline" -- Building other worlds can mean he writes fiction. She is drawing hearts on his name.
Okay so I'm RIDICULOUSLY late to this but I took it as him not really seeing her as a whole person and not including her in his life, or 'story', so instead of her name on the byline, there are just hearts, which further shows that even though her identity has been erased, she's still doing all of the work to keep this relationship going and it emphasizes the one sided nature of their relationship.
Watching this back after You’re Losing Me and fathoming that she probably put Tolerate It as a track 5 because there might have been a moment in their relationship where Taylor felt Joe was just tolerating her shit. Because there are so many parallels with both songs! And it makes sense that she used barbed wire in the song which steals it from Invisible String because maybe it was about him. * passiveness of both partners in both songs (I notice everything you do or don’t do/do something babe) * her trying so hard to be better for the partner (used my best colors for your portrait/ gave you all my best me’s) * she knows she’s worth more and he isn’t seeing it (I know my love should be celebrated / I’m the best thing at this party) * she feels like she’s being ignored (while you were out there building other worlds where was i? / front lines don’t you ignore me) * she feels that she has to beg him for his love (now I’m begging for footnotes in the story of your life / literally the whole second half of the bridge) * she feels that her pain is so insignificant (always taking up too much space and time / i know my pain is such an imposition) Like i am losing my fucking MIIIIINNNDDD
Honestly… I don’t directly relate to “tolerate it”, but I relate to the premise of it. Like, I continually have this fear that I’m just tolerated in every relationship I have- and I’m constantly needing reassurance that it’s all in my head.
Every time I listen to “dorothea” I can totally picture this song being a complete song sing along in concert. Every single lyric is perfect for a stadium crowd to sing along with…and even go back and forth with her. It’s PERFECT!!! You’ll never listen to it the same way again thinking about that
No Body No Crime has crickets at the end of the song as it fades, also giving you the picture of the ocean/lake where she disposed of him. I love the ending of that song haha
For some reason, when I listen to the bridge and get to the line “believe me I could do it”, I get the feeling that she’s almost trying to convince herself that she can leave, more than convincing her husband. Telling herself she can have the courage to leave the relationship. Additionally, with the opening lyrics matching the end, it makes me think that this entire song is kind of an inner monologue, unsure if her feelings are just “all in her head”, hoping she’s wrong but also convincing herself that she can leave. Tolerate It is a damn masterpiece.
YES to everything you said. I tried to explain this song to a friend and she just said, “why doesn’t she just up and leave him” …with the intonation and implication that she thought the woman was weak. Safe to say she was on the non-voluntary listening end of a complex explanation of all dem complexities…of insecurity, uncertainty and-most of all-the complete and utter mindfuck that is hopeful hesitation. Edit - apologies for the word vomit
This song gives me John Mayer vibes. “So much older and wiser” is obvious, given their age difference, a Dear John reference with “use my best colors for your portrait” and “paint me a blue sky, then go back and turn it to grey.” Also the “battle hero’s welcome” reminds me of her song, “Superman”
Not only have I waited for this part, but the fact that the next part is gonna be the iconic quartet coney island, ivy, cowboy like me and long story short is very offensive and I don’t know if I’m ready.
I always think of the line “where’s that man that threw blankets over my barbed wire?” in the way of how someone would sneak into a place with a barbed wire fence. When people break in somewhere they usually throw car blankets over barbed wire so they can climb over easier. I thought this was a way of saying that he climbed over her walls and over her defenses to get to her and she looked at it as something special and meaningful
wait I always thought "use my best colours for your portrait" meant she always paints the best picture of her bf/husband when talking to other people about him. Your perspective is also soo interesting!! Never thought of it that way but completely makes sense
That’s I understand it as well. As in she always paints him as a perfect person removing any flaws. For me that goes in line with the lyric ‘I made you my temple, my mural, my sky’
I went through a serious Princess Diana phase a few months ago, and now all I think about during Tolerate It is Princess Di and Prince Charles, and how he just tolerated everything everyone else loved about her and just wanted him to love her. Does anyone else get that vibe?!
I find very interesting that No body, no crime follows Tolerate it, because in the book Rebbeca by Daphne du Maurier, in the end *SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK* Rebecca is found dead and her husband killed her. It's a beautiful continuation... a slight hint that only Miss Taylor Swift can give us.
I absolutely feel like tolerate it is one of the cruelest song ever. There's a saying "the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference" (IFTYE hello there). Can't wait for you guys to analyze coney island, it's my most favorite song in this whole album!
Happiness straight up makes me sob everytime I hear it. I personally think it's about Abigail but I love that everyone has different interpretations, it's one of the joys of music! I also love the literary references to Gatsby in this song (green light and beautiful fool) it makes it hit so much harder in terms of if it's about a relationship breaking down
@@sarahcampbell1115 no her and Abigail are still friends! I think it's about Abigail's marriage (because apparently she deleted all the photos of her husband everywhere so people are assuming they are estranged) sorry I realize that wasn't very clear in my initial comment!!
@@dontdeletethexos yes abigail announced a few months ago that they were getting divorced & they were together for 7 years…. it adds up. she also said something in her divorce announcement about how both of them would find happiness elsewhere or something
I think "drawing hearts in the byline" kind of implies how his life's pages were filled with other things and the only space left was the byline. But when she draws in this space, she's "always taking up too much space or time" Heartbreaking honestly.
Also drawing hearts in the margins of something printed is like doodling in class--really shows the contrast between how "silly" and youthful her heart drawings are next to his serious typset byline and pages
I thought it was obvious that her husband was a writer -- "While you were out building other worlds, where was I? / Now I'm begging for footnotes in the story of your life / Drawing hearts in the byline" she is drawing hearts on his name-- it's his name on the byline (the space where the author is named, usually in a newspaper/magazine article).
“Use my best colours for your portrait” - I saw these lyrics as she tends to paint him in a better light than he deserves, simply because she loves him so much. Her portraits of him (the way she thinks of him, the ways she speaks about him, the way she portrays him to her friends and family) always use her best colours because she’s wants to highlight the good in him, not the bad.
I still don't know if you do it intentionally, but I kind of love that you never introduce yourselves at the start of your videos and just jump in. In fact, having no intro is basically your signature intro at this point!
Byline also means a line in a newspaper naming the author of an article, so I think the drawing hearts thing represents the innocence at the beginning of the relationship. Like Drawing hearts around your crushes name. Her love for him is so pure and real, but those little things are just “taking up too much space and time”
You guys should watch “English teacher reacts to Happiness” because she breaks down happiness in a way that points out a lot of Great Gatsby references in the song that’s just another layer to Taylor’s superior writing of this beautiful song!
It's actually obvious how non-American they are that they don't catch the most obvious Gatsby references. But I'm also not American and I did, so maybe just how non-classical literature readers they are lol
I always call Dorothea's narrator "Leo". My weird reasoning: Dorothea means "the gift (of God)" which is also what "Nala" means in Swahili. Nala the lion -> Leo, which I also like because this song sounds August-ish (month, not song) which is the main month for the Leo star sign. I like how that correlates, because as you said, Tis' the Damn Season sounds not like a Christmas song, but like the season itself, and its told in the present, i.e., when Dorothea is actually in Tupelo for the holiday. Leo's perspective in Dorothea is during the off-season, when she's back in L.A, so I like the synergy of it sounding like summer. Thus, "Leo".
fun fact which made me love dorothea even more: iris apatow who is olivia rodrigo's best friend, posted "and ig you're ever tired of being known for who you know, you know you'll always know me" on her birthday. olivia was getting so big and everyone was talking about jer and her "feud" or whatever, and iris just went in there and told her that she woulf always be one of the people who love her and know the true her. and i love that lyric for any famous person really🥺
It’s my least favorite song 😭 always a skip for me which is crazy because I’m in love with the entire rest of the album! This stuff is always so interesting to me because when I see people don’t like my absolute favorite songs I’m like HOW ??? DO U HAVE EARS ?!
For me, Tolerate It feels like she's contemplating him, but lost in thought. I imagine them in a study, him reading a book by the fireplace and she walks into the room and sits opposite him. I imagine her just watching him and she's reflecting on their relationship and thinking everything she says in the song and kinda breaks free of that trance at the end of the song. That's why it starts and ends with the same line
I feel exactly the same way. It’s always the visual I saw in my head when listening to this. Like the actual real life time between the song starting to the very end is only a couple minutes but in that 2 minute time frame of reflecting , all of those thoughts went through her mind
I’ve been in mourning not being able to go to the Eras tour so I’ve gone back and relistened to your earlier breakdowns. I just want to say you both do such a phenomenal job analyzing lyrics and giving music the proper respect it deserves. What was already deep becomes deeper and what already felt significant takes on even more significant meaning. With all that said, your commentary on Tolerate It was beyond offensive and I’ve needed to pause just to process what you’ve put into words about what Taylor is singing about. Really hits home in a way I don’t think I fully understood on just listening to the song itself.
Dorothea is one of my favorites on this album!!!!! Needs more love, I feel maybe I love it cause the story personally relates to my life but even from an outside perspective..... immaculate song
I get John Mayer vibes from tolerate it. He was so much older than her and we know from Dear John that he was manipulative and made her feel she was never good enough for him.
Okay but watching the last 30 mins of this video and listening to you guys talk about Taylor Swift herself watching your videos and how you need to make a TikTok and KNOWING that TAYLOR SWIFT HERSELF has now watched at LEAST one of your videos on TikTok hits differently. I cannot even express how happy I was when I saw she had noticed you - I literally cried!! You both deserve it so much, congrats!!
I feel like, as we learned in the long pond sessions when taylor talked about hoax, her songs can address and be about more than one situation, so happiness, in my opinion, could be both about abigail’s divorce and about the situation with scott. The entire song is told from the perspective of a divorce, so it might be literally about abigail’s situation, but she pulled inspiration from her own experiences, like she always does, so the divorce story is literally abigail’s, but it’s metaphorically about the breakdown of her own relationship with scott and her realization that she could maybe forgive him in the future.
Tolerate It is so heartbreaking, she is self-aware she understands that she is being tolerated and she deserves to be celebrated but struggling to leave
personally i've always liked the name frederick for dorothea. it's old-sounding but also kind of classy? yet simple too. i like the symmetry of them having longer names too hehe, and it sort of fits in with betty and james. thank you for the awesome video, as always! watching them is so therapeutic for me ♥️
"Brand new tires" implies that he hid Esty's body in bush or swamp and left tracks behind, SO, he buys new ones so that cops can't directly link her death to him. Which poses a question. What did he do with his old tires?
I always cry listening to dorethea, i apply it to my old friend who kind of forgot about me and moved away and has loads of other friends, but i'll always be here for her. i can't listen without crying but i love that song!!
I've been calling Dorothea's lover "Sunny" ever since I decided "Midnight Rain" was in the Dorothea Cinematic Universe. Sunny can be a name or nickname. Also, it could be spelled Sunni, which I understand to be a Korean girl's name, or Sonny, a common boy's nickname that doesn't go with any one name (like Junior and Chip).
Wait what. Midnight rain in Dorothea Universe makes sense because: 1) The lyrics "He wanted it comfortable, I wanted that pain" can be viewed as -> he wanted to stay in their hometown, have a normal job and be comfortable with his "living" or whatever, but she wanted that "pain" which is that pain that some pop stars experience (lack of privacy, pressure to be perfect, etc...) but at the end she wanted it. 2) In Midnight Rain she refers to how he has this family things like family gatherings, family time together and more and to her it came like a post card (from another city) but for him it's every day 'cause he's there with his family every day and she's not!? 3)And she was also making her own name, chasing that fame. And in the beginning she mentions pageant queens and new pretenders (like pop culture and stuff if that makes sense).
Are you guys going to do an album breakdown of Red this month? Specifically before the rerecord drops? This is easily my FAVORITE channel right now, I watched through all your videos in a week and now I'm starving for more!!!
JUST SAW THAT TAYLOR COMMENTED ON YOUR TIKTOK?!?! Congratulations I’m so happy for you guys what the hell. This has been my dream. I always said this on your videos? There’s no one more deserving 😭😭😭 I hope Taylor also watch all of these wholesome superior reaction & breakdowns!!! Now where is the damn personal note/merch package for these two superior swifties??
Also Dorothea is SUPERIOR. It has such a wholesome longing feeling to it. It feels like Marianne (from Normal People) is singing this to Connell after he moves to New York maybe? Because Tis the damn season fits so perfectly with their story and Marianne really has this unconditional love for Connell.
Every time the intro music plays on no body no crime, I get such vivid mental imagery of the town where this story takes place. It is really as though I can see the houses & landscape around me, and feel the cold, misty air on my skin. It's such a good intro!
In happiness, the lines "i hope she'll be a beautiful fool" and "green light of forgiveness" are direct references to the great gatsby. I feel like she's drawing on the same feeling of knowing someone in a time before and the struggles of moving on - even with residual feelings that contradict the rational need to move on from the hurt that you have been caused to feel.
It was during the premier of the Willow music video that Taylor was answering questions about the album, and giving facts out, and said that Dorothea was the opposite perspective of Tis the Damn Season and that she felt that they went to the same school as James and Betty. So yes, definitely is the same story line! 🙂
Yes!! Love this!! Love to see you guys perspective on her songs!! Happiness hurts.....It really hits home.....I needed to let a horrible person and her actions from my past go and was only able to do that in July.....And to see that she wasn't evil and to see my part in all of our fighting wasn't easy. So the first time I heard this song.....I just started crying. (Never thought that was gonna happen). So much love and respect for Taylor for making this!!
Can’t wait for part 3!!😍 every time I watch your breakdowns it makes me so happy that I want to go back and watch your first time reactions to the songs 🤣 so excited for Merch as well!
Okay I NEED to know if anyone else thinks this was intentional by Taylor: “Honey, when I’m above the trees / I see this for what it is” -does for what it is sound like “forest” to you? Like, see the forest for the trees? When I’m above the trees, I see this forest. Also, in Coney Island, “rogue that coaxed you,” doesn’t that sound like rollercoaster??
Girls its dawn in the morning and THIS IS MY GO-TO for perfect sipping a cup of tea and hearing you tqo talking. I love you so much guys. Keep healthy and do other breakdown. We are exactly into it ❤
i think 'skipping the prom' is such an important detail because now dorothea is this celebrity figure who would be wearing gowns and going to events that conflict who she was when this person know here - and following it up with 'are you still the same soul i met under the bleachers?' is so telling
I honestly want her to make a mini short film on each album. Like, have that be the second cd in the album. One is the tracks and the other one is the short film. She can write her own fiction dude. We already know she's great at storytelling so why not create a short story and bring it to life? Can someone please pass this idea to her? I love the worlds she creates for us, how she sets the whole scene up and we're just here seeing it in our mind. I wanna see that translate over to film. PLEASE. That would be so out of this world for me.
One day I heard that someone said that tolerate it is about lady Diana. And thinking about that, it’s really interesting and for me, it’s kinda true. I know that wasn’t the inspiration tú I found it really interesting
i don't know why but tolerate always makes me think of a man coming back from war and not being able to adjust to his old life or let his wife in because of what he has seen which is tragic for both of them.
Personally in Tolerate it, I took the lyrics “use my best colors for your portrait” to a completely different place. I thought maybe when she describes him to people (his portrait which is like who he is) she uses his better traits like her “best colors”, her best words, better memories they shared, she shows only the good side of their relationship, which is probably when they’re with other people and not alone.
Dorothea's man would have to have a plain, solid, old-fashioned kind of name: Charles, Mark, Frank, something like that. No Chad, Wyatt, Carson or anything like that.
I thought his name would be Matthew or Timothy. Those names just have that feeling of a boy that stayed in a small town all his life. They also go well with the name Dorothea.
Got salty because I didn't get the notification but I'm the salt because I hadn't rang the bell 🤦🏼♀️ CZcamss had just being notifying me up until now because... *OBSESSED*
SAME. When I first heard it I was speechless. I proceeded to listen like 10x in a row no kidding. It paints such a vivid picture in my head, it’s such a heart wrenchingly clever way to convey that feeling. Ugh it is a masterpiece
i've just discovered your channel and i just can't beliebe i've been living without it!!!! I'd love to see you guys making that "ranking every taylor swift song" video 🥺🥺🥺⁰
I think Dorothea is criminally underrated, First off the topic of the song being sung by a lover to a person who has moved away to pursue stardom and how Taylor portrays such desperately but also acceptance to the reality is just so great. The vocals just bring such a fullness to this song paired with the hummingish talking she does in the song gives you a chance to breath and just lose yourself in the harmonies. The last thing is the instrumentals that just go along so well with the rest of the song, but the almost electronic sounds that you hear in the sort of long pauses at the end just give you such a warm feeling I can't explain. I find this her best song in her entire discography and probably of all time which is why i'm so passionate about this song to this degree. Great video by the way!
As a sapphic person, I’ve always seen Dorothea from the perspective of another woman (so a wlw relationship) because the way the narrator talks about Dorothea feels so relatable. That being said, I totally get where you guys are coming from and loved the video as always 🤍
Sry I am late, but yes!! Also the way the narrator talks about their love it gives me forbidden vibes. Like «just to piss off your mom» and «met under the bleachers».💕
@@didemuca7598 I understand this is an old comment but I can’t think of a single way CLM is a sapphic story... if you connect the lyrics “oh I thought this is gonna be one of those things” and “the old *men* that I’ve swindled” the narrator is saying that they have swindled multiple men, and thought this current relationship was going to unfold the same way. Not trying to be a hater or anything, I definitely can see other songs like Dorothea describe a wlw relationship but cowboy like me is clearly not in my opinion..
When happiness starts those first few lyrics, not only does "honey when I'm above the trees, I see this for what it is" mean that she can see the relationship clearly, it also references back to seven when she says "please picture me in the trees I hit my peak at seven feet," and I realized that on happiness she's talking about how she is past her young innocence and now understands what a real relationship is supposed to look like and what love is. She is "above" this past (the trees, or her childhood innocence).
love how NBNC comes right after tolerate it because even though NBNC is clearly fictional it feels like it could be about the couple in tolerate it, like Este could be the narrator of tolerate it
“Use my best colors for your portrait,” I picture a woman painting a beautiful portrait of her husband, taking so much care, and using her finest paints
'Dappled with the flickers of light, From the dress I wore at midnight, Leave it all behind.' This also reminds me of the Cinderella story, where she wears the beautiful dress but at midnight it is all over, the night with the prince comes to an abrupt end, and she has to leave it all behind. She becomes herself again, back to basics, without the glamour, the fairytale is over, the spell has stopped working.
I relate to this song so much but it’s interesting because I never interpreted the chorus the way you did! I always thought of it as “wait by the door like I’m just a kid” as in waiting by the door excited for him to get home and then “use my best colors for your portrait” as in she used her best colors painting a portrait of him…so like she’s giving her all and her best and he just tolerates it and couldn’t care less.
You have no idea how much I need this. I watch at least one video of yours each day just to energize & fuel me cause I don’t have swiftie friends. I can’t wait for all the upcoming goodness. All the evermore & red vibes. Fall couldn’t be better this year. Oh and I don’t know if you’re up to it. But I would love to see your vinyl collection. I love watching that kinda video especially since I just start collecting vinyl, and would love to see recommendations cause you two have a superior taste in music 💕
I’m so looking forward to your breakdown of cowboy like me and Coney Island because they are literally my two favorite tracks on evermore, except I have no idea what they mean I just know they are beautiful to listen to😭
Another thing to note is when she says “Honey, when I’m above the trees”, I think she’s referencing the phrase “can’t see the forest for the trees”. Meaning when you’re in the depths of something, you can’t see the entire picture. I would bet money that she’s referencing that phrase in that line
Yeah she's seeing this from an eagle eyed pov like looking at the bigger picture and seeing the situation from both perspective and with compassion even though you know your hurt but not his Then she says 'when I am right down in it all the years I have given is just shit we're dividing up' so now she's only seeing this from her own pov and Throughout this whole song she switches from looking at the bigger picture and being compassionate to thinking about her hurt It's genius
Soooo the visualization I see when Tolerate It is ending and we have that time to comprehend... it's not only a Taylor thing to end it with a line that started, but its a line that brings us to the reality of her still sitting, meaning the entire song is a journey that sonically rewinds to a point where a decision is going to be made, and don't know what that decision is... wow.
Love these videos! When you talked about tolerate it I was reminded of ATW 10 minute “use my best colours for your portrait” and thought of “the idea you had of me who was she? A never needy ever lovely jewel who’s shine reflects on you” it’s a similar concept!
Here AFTER the All Too Well short film and your breakdown and speculation of this possibly being inspired by Jake, ugh it hit me like a ton of bricks. “Lay the table with the fancy shit” made me think of the dinner party from the short film. If so, yoooo, this guy was SO TOXIC and downright demeaning. Makes me appreciate Joe so much more 😭
I always took the "drawing hearts in the byline" a bit different. Byline is usually a term that refers to the author of an article in a newspaper. I always thought it tied into the "story of your life" part. He is the author of this story she doesn't understand but she still draws hearts for him. She still cares and pays attention to the story. She tries to add herself to this story but she still is "begging for footnotes" despite all of her efforts. Idk, that's how I took it.
I actually cannot fathom the fact that there are people out there who don't appreciate Dorothea. Its production perfectly embodies the feeling of the song which to me is selfless, unconditional love. Seeing Dorotheas perspective in TTDS, you can see that she looks at their time together with a heavy heart. She has to leave town but she doesn't want to leave him. Seeing things from his perspective he obviously still loves her and always will but he knows it weighs on her heavy that she can't be with him. For that reason, he would never ask her to stay. He understands it would just add to the weight she's carrying. The chorus "Its never too late to come back to my side, the stars in your eyes shined brighter in Tupelo, and if you're ever tired of being known for who you know, you know you'll always know me" always makes me cry because he's saying it in a light, airy way like 'hey don't worry, you go do your thing and I'll always be here, don't worry about me' so the situation doesn't hurt her more than it already does but to me that line is so heavy because he's being selfless in the way that he knows he can't ask her to stay, she can't ask him to wait but he's saying he'll wait anyways or no matter what is going on in his life like don't worry you can always come back to my side like SORRY THAT IS SO HEAVY AND MAKES ME CRY EVERYTIME and the fact that the production is so airy and light, like bonny said at the end she feels like she's being swept away in the wind at the end of the song, its like a gut punch because sorry that was so intentional for his side to be delivered so light so Dorothea doesn't have to carry a heavy heart when she thinks of him. I find this to be such a heavy song but the fact that its production is so airy just adds another layer to show how much he loves her and UGH its so perfect and gets me every time. I could write a ten page essay on how superior TTDS/dorothea are
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@@vitoriamarques5264 yesss but im more obsessed with taylor🤣🤧
@@vitoriamarques5264 70% swifty 30% blink
tolerate it: it's in 5/4 time signature, which is why it sounds "irregular". Your brain automatically wants 4/4 signature, but it's such a great choice, because it almost emulates how she's "younger" and "inexperienced" and is always out of step in this relationship. It also matches how the song ends: with no resolution. The time signature never feels balanced or complete, just like their relationship isn't balanced and we never get a definite decision from Rebecca's: she's still sitting and watching him and we're left waiting for her action.
Oh wow! I absolutely love the beats now but I thought they were really uneven. I guess it shows the state of the character's that just can't seem to decide on her actions. Simply ingenious 👏
Thank you so much for this comment it added so much to the song
this!! many people don't realise this, so thank you for pointing it out!
Ty king/ queen for this enlightening info😭
@@ichokedonadoritoonce7670 Queen :) And you're welcome!
Track 7 folklore: please picture me in the trees
Track 7 evermore: honey when I'm above the trees
I love the parallels
Love both 7 tracks of the albums sooo much ❤
So interesting to hear your interpretation of “use my best colors for your portrait” - I always understood that to mean that she paints a portrait of him (metaphorically) using her very best colors, like she does absolutely everything for him
I agree! And that she maybe portrays him to her family and friends with her very best colours. She’s covering up, or painting over if you will, the darkness and portraying him in a good light to the world. But he only tolerates it
Oh yessss I love this, I think you might be right that’s what she means! 💕
@@lucyshallard6248 that’s how i understood it as well!! so deep
@@willow950 Yes! There's so much inspiration from Rebecca I love it! Also the narrator in Rebecca is also an artist so she is literally selecting her best paints to draw his portrait too??
@@martha-louise omg yes!!
"gain the weight of you then lose it" has to be up there with some of Taylor's best written lyrics like ARE YOU KIDDING ME MA'AM
I never could understand what it meant....mind explaining please?
@@Aiibh of course! In my opinion it is about the speaker leaving the person. The metaphor of "gaining the weight" of their relationship and then, by leaving she would be losing the weight of that person (possibly also hinting that the relationship feels heavy etc.) . Similar to the previous line (took this dagger in me and removed it) the speaker is saying that it would be very hard to leave the person they are talking about, but that it was possible. ("Believe me I could do it)
That is how I have always interpreted that line, I hope this made sense and sorry for the rambling comment, I got a bit carried away aha!
@@dontdeletethexos oh dear holy god! This feels soo different now, believe me i could do it makes soo much more sense. Yk as part of the fandom i always take warmth in the fact that we all have different opinions about songs and we all yet so respect each other's opinion, cause well Taylor writes songs which obviously has more than one meaning, and being an active swiftie, who has heard numerous breakdowns of tolerate it, yours was the most satisfactory. I m contented with "took this dagger in me and removed it". And hey on the length of the comment, no need to be sorry...i soo much understand your feelings 💀😂, whenever someone asks me about my opinions on Taylor's songs, this is EXACTLY how i react. Excited as hell and ready to spend my time. However hey, what's your fav song from evermore and what's your fav ALBUM?
@@Aiibh I think it also means that you have to embrace the burden until it becomes too much that you have not choice but lose it. 'Took this dagger in me and remove it' might mean she has to feel the hurt and remove it herself even though she knew she's gonna bleed.
@@Aiibh honestly thought that I had replied to this, sorry! Wow that's a hard question! My favourite song on evermore... I mean it's really hard to see past champagne problems (THAT BRIDGE) but I absolutely love Dorothea and happiness as well.
In terms of favourite album? Although I absolutely adore the shock Taylor gave us all with folklore and it was so unexpected it was that much better, I would have to go with 1989. I just connected to that album so much, and was going THROUGH IT when it came out, so it was kind of like my emotional crutch 😅😅 (hearing TV's of wildest dreams made me so emotional I'm not ready)
What about you? :)
I see Evermore as the epitome of storytelling. In Folklore she wrote more musical songs but still more about an specific feeling or situation. In Evermore she wrote literal stories with full plots and even plot twists, she’s literally insane and we love her for that
“Drawing hearts in the by-line” I always thought this lyric was another metaphor for her worshiping him. The by-line of an article is the line in which the author or writer is stated. By her drawing hearts in the byline I always saw it as her drawing hearts beside his name, still making him her everything. Xxx
makes sense!!
Omg I love this interpretation
I agree!! And I also believe that this can be another example of how she feels like a kid alongside with the "waiting by the door like I'm just a kid" and always mentioning how he is older, because drawing hearts beside the name of a person you like is a teenager/child thing to do.
Exactly! The byline is not the margins, it's where the writer is named. It's actually obvious, at least to me, that her husband is a writer -- "While you were out building other worlds, where was I? / Now I'm begging for footnotes in the story of your life / Drawing hearts in the byline" -- Building other worlds can mean he writes fiction. She is drawing hearts on his name.
Okay so I'm RIDICULOUSLY late to this but I took it as him not really seeing her as a whole person and not including her in his life, or 'story', so instead of her name on the byline, there are just hearts, which further shows that even though her identity has been erased, she's still doing all of the work to keep this relationship going and it emphasizes the one sided nature of their relationship.
Watching this back after You’re Losing Me and fathoming that she probably put Tolerate It as a track 5 because there might have been a moment in their relationship where Taylor felt Joe was just tolerating her shit. Because there are so many parallels with both songs! And it makes sense that she used barbed wire in the song which steals it from Invisible String because maybe it was about him.
* passiveness of both partners in both songs (I notice everything you do or don’t do/do something babe)
* her trying so hard to be better for the partner (used my best colors for your portrait/ gave you all my best me’s)
* she knows she’s worth more and he isn’t seeing it (I know my love should be celebrated / I’m the best thing at this party)
* she feels like she’s being ignored (while you were out there building other worlds where was i? / front lines don’t you ignore me)
* she feels that she has to beg him for his love (now I’m begging for footnotes in the story of your life / literally the whole second half of the bridge)
* she feels that her pain is so insignificant (always taking up too much space and time / i know my pain is such an imposition)
Like i am losing my fucking MIIIIINNNDDD
I agree
yyyeeeessss. 🏆
i wonder if joe knows what her track 5 mean.
yes! and the line "i great you with a battle hero's welcome" ties in with the theme of The Great War also
Honestly… I don’t directly relate to “tolerate it”, but I relate to the premise of it. Like, I continually have this fear that I’m just tolerated in every relationship I have- and I’m constantly needing reassurance that it’s all in my head.
Every time I listen to “dorothea” I can totally picture this song being a complete song sing along in concert. Every single lyric is perfect for a stadium crowd to sing along with…and even go back and forth with her. It’s PERFECT!!! You’ll never listen to it the same way again thinking about that
Omg for a second I thought you were my dad you have the fame face as him except his eye color is brown
@@zam0674 lmao what
No Body No Crime has crickets at the end of the song as it fades, also giving you the picture of the ocean/lake where she disposed of him. I love the ending of that song haha
For some reason, when I listen to the bridge and get to the line “believe me I could do it”, I get the feeling that she’s almost trying to convince herself that she can leave, more than convincing her husband. Telling herself she can have the courage to leave the relationship. Additionally, with the opening lyrics matching the end, it makes me think that this entire song is kind of an inner monologue, unsure if her feelings are just “all in her head”, hoping she’s wrong but also convincing herself that she can leave. Tolerate It is a damn masterpiece.
YES to everything you said. I tried to explain this song to a friend and she just said, “why doesn’t she just up and leave him” …with the intonation and implication that she thought the woman was weak. Safe to say she was on the non-voluntary listening end of a complex explanation of all dem complexities…of insecurity, uncertainty and-most of all-the complete and utter mindfuck that is hopeful hesitation.
Edit - apologies for the word vomit
So true!
This song gives me John Mayer vibes. “So much older and wiser” is obvious, given their age difference, a Dear John reference with “use my best colors for your portrait” and “paint me a blue sky, then go back and turn it to grey.” Also the “battle hero’s welcome” reminds me of her song, “Superman”
Tolerate it* lol I wrote this while they were talking about it and forgot to put the title
OMG YES!!!!
@@ashplayssims YESSS i was searching for a comment like that, tolerate it give me so much john mayer vibes!!!
💯 JM
Not only have I waited for this part, but the fact that the next part is gonna be the iconic quartet coney island, ivy, cowboy like me and long story short is very offensive and I don’t know if I’m ready.
I always think of the line “where’s that man that threw blankets over my barbed wire?” in the way of how someone would sneak into a place with a barbed wire fence. When people break in somewhere they usually throw car blankets over barbed wire so they can climb over easier. I thought this was a way of saying that he climbed over her walls and over her defenses to get to her and she looked at it as something special and meaningful
I've always wondered what that line meant. Love your explanation!
Oh love this! This makes so much sense! Thank you for sharing xx
I have the same thoughts as you!
I think the blankets over barbed wire allude to him keeping her safe.
wait I always thought "use my best colours for your portrait" meant she always paints the best picture of her bf/husband when talking to other people about him. Your perspective is also soo interesting!! Never thought of it that way but completely makes sense
that’s what i’ve always thought too
That’s I understand it as well. As in she always paints him as a perfect person removing any flaws. For me that goes in line with the lyric ‘I made you my temple, my mural, my sky’
I went through a serious Princess Diana phase a few months ago, and now all I think about during Tolerate It is Princess Di and Prince Charles, and how he just tolerated everything everyone else loved about her and just wanted him to love her. Does anyone else get that vibe?!
Same🥺
YESSS! I think the same. Even though Taylor said it was inspired by a book
seriously i got into the whole Princess Diana story because of Tolerate it, can't resist crying whenever I think of her story and this song
I find very interesting that No body, no crime follows Tolerate it, because in the book Rebbeca by Daphne du Maurier, in the end *SPOILERS FOR THE BOOK* Rebecca is found dead and her husband killed her. It's a beautiful continuation... a slight hint that only Miss Taylor Swift can give us.
I absolutely feel like tolerate it is one of the cruelest song ever. There's a saying "the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference" (IFTYE hello there).
Can't wait for you guys to analyze coney island, it's my most favorite song in this whole album!
Word!
Coney Island is my favourite TS song ever!
I sincerely hope Taylor comes across this channel, she would be smiling and laughing the whole time watching you guys!
Happiness straight up makes me sob everytime I hear it. I personally think it's about Abigail but I love that everyone has different interpretations, it's one of the joys of music! I also love the literary references to Gatsby in this song (green light and beautiful fool) it makes it hit so much harder in terms of if it's about a relationship breaking down
Pleading ignorant..are her and Abigail not friends anymore? Or are you saying that this song is about Abigail and a past dating partner?
@@sarahcampbell1115 no her and Abigail are still friends! I think it's about Abigail's marriage (because apparently she deleted all the photos of her husband everywhere so people are assuming they are estranged) sorry I realize that wasn't very clear in my initial comment!!
@@dontdeletethexos yes abigail announced a few months ago that they were getting divorced & they were together for 7 years…. it adds up. she also said something in her divorce announcement about how both of them would find happiness elsewhere or something
Abigail essentially confirmed it recently with her divorce post and followed it up with something along the lines of "happiness. ♡"
I think "drawing hearts in the byline" kind of implies how his life's pages were filled with other things and the only space left was the byline. But when she draws in this space, she's "always taking up too much space or time"
Heartbreaking honestly.
Also drawing hearts in the margins of something printed is like doodling in class--really shows the contrast between how "silly" and youthful her heart drawings are next to his serious typset byline and pages
I thought it was obvious that her husband was a writer -- "While you were out building other worlds, where was I? / Now I'm begging for footnotes in the story of your life / Drawing hearts in the byline" she is drawing hearts on his name-- it's his name on the byline (the space where the author is named, usually in a newspaper/magazine article).
@@AllTheArtsy that’s such an interesting detail that really only Taylor swift would include
“Use my best colours for your portrait” - I saw these lyrics as she tends to paint him in a better light than he deserves, simply because she loves him so much. Her portraits of him (the way she thinks of him, the ways she speaks about him, the way she portrays him to her friends and family) always use her best colours because she’s wants to highlight the good in him, not the bad.
i love this perspective
omg yes
Brill!!
I thought she could also be alluding to Jake because I think of Red as her best color and that’s what she used for his portrait (songs)
Also “fancy shit” like she makes fun of his “million dollar couch”
omg i was literally just thinking **this morning** about when you were going to continue the evermore breakdown
I still don't know if you do it intentionally, but I kind of love that you never introduce yourselves at the start of your videos and just jump in. In fact, having no intro is basically your signature intro at this point!
i love that too! i don’t like intros
Byline also means a line in a newspaper naming the author of an article, so I think the drawing hearts thing represents the innocence at the beginning of the relationship. Like Drawing hearts around your crushes name. Her love for him is so pure and real, but those little things are just “taking up too much space and time”
Omg this is so enlightening tyyyyy❤️😭
You guys should watch “English teacher reacts to Happiness” because she breaks down happiness in a way that points out a lot of Great Gatsby references in the song that’s just another layer to Taylor’s superior writing of this beautiful song!
It's actually obvious how non-American they are that they don't catch the most obvious Gatsby references. But I'm also not American and I did, so maybe just how non-classical literature readers they are lol
2:21 Tolerate it
25:09 No body no crime
39:38 Happiness
1:12:33 Dorothea
Damn ur fast
You're so fast lol. I thought I have to come back later for these kinds of comments
thank u
thank u!
🙏🙏🙏
I always call Dorothea's narrator "Leo". My weird reasoning: Dorothea means "the gift (of God)" which is also what "Nala" means in Swahili. Nala the lion -> Leo, which I also like because this song sounds August-ish (month, not song) which is the main month for the Leo star sign. I like how that correlates, because as you said, Tis' the Damn Season sounds not like a Christmas song, but like the season itself, and its told in the present, i.e., when Dorothea is actually in Tupelo for the holiday. Leo's perspective in Dorothea is during the off-season, when she's back in L.A, so I like the synergy of it sounding like summer. Thus, "Leo".
Wow that's deep and amazing I simply named him connor-no reason
@@siri4792 That's equally amazing, I love it
I like that!
fun fact which made me love dorothea even more: iris apatow who is olivia rodrigo's best friend, posted "and ig you're ever tired of being known for who you know, you know you'll always know me" on her birthday. olivia was getting so big and everyone was talking about jer and her "feud" or whatever, and iris just went in there and told her that she woulf always be one of the people who love her and know the true her. and i love that lyric for any famous person really🥺
I really didn't know that dorothea was disliked... like, what??? It's such a GOOD song
Honestly cannot understand, its so good
It’s my least favorite song 😭 always a skip for me which is crazy because I’m in love with the entire rest of the album! This stuff is always so interesting to me because when I see people don’t like my absolute favorite songs I’m like HOW ??? DO U HAVE EARS ?!
Dorothea is just so adorable especially when I think about it in regards to Taylor swift and Selena Gomez friendship
@@tasneem2013 its about tis the damn season
@@salvatore2004 yeah i reject that analysis i don't care how many people say it i refuse to believe that
For me, Tolerate It feels like she's contemplating him, but lost in thought. I imagine them in a study, him reading a book by the fireplace and she walks into the room and sits opposite him. I imagine her just watching him and she's reflecting on their relationship and thinking everything she says in the song and kinda breaks free of that trance at the end of the song. That's why it starts and ends with the same line
I feel exactly the same way. It’s always the visual I saw in my head when listening to this. Like the actual real life time between the song starting to the very end is only a couple minutes but in that 2 minute time frame of reflecting , all of those thoughts went through her mind
I’ve been in mourning not being able to go to the Eras tour so I’ve gone back and relistened to your earlier breakdowns. I just want to say you both do such a phenomenal job analyzing lyrics and giving music the proper respect it deserves. What was already deep becomes deeper and what already felt significant takes on even more significant meaning.
With all that said, your commentary on Tolerate It was beyond offensive and I’ve needed to pause just to process what you’ve put into words about what Taylor is singing about. Really hits home in a way I don’t think I fully understood on just listening to the song itself.
Dorothea is one of my favorites on this album!!!!! Needs more love, I feel maybe I love it cause the story personally relates to my life but even from an outside perspective..... immaculate song
I get John Mayer vibes from tolerate it. He was so much older than her and we know from Dear John that he was manipulative and made her feel she was never good enough for him.
How do you get your hair like that, I've been wanting to color mine like that bit I'm naturally dark black hair 🥺
Okay but watching the last 30 mins of this video and listening to you guys talk about Taylor Swift herself watching your videos and how you need to make a TikTok and KNOWING that TAYLOR SWIFT HERSELF has now watched at LEAST one of your videos on TikTok hits differently. I cannot even express how happy I was when I saw she had noticed you - I literally cried!! You both deserve it so much, congrats!!
I feel like, as we learned in the long pond sessions when taylor talked about hoax, her songs can address and be about more than one situation, so happiness, in my opinion, could be both about abigail’s divorce and about the situation with scott. The entire song is told from the perspective of a divorce, so it might be literally about abigail’s situation, but she pulled inspiration from her own experiences, like she always does, so the divorce story is literally abigail’s, but it’s metaphorically about the breakdown of her own relationship with scott and her realization that she could maybe forgive him in the future.
Tolerate It is so heartbreaking, she is self-aware she understands that she is being tolerated and she deserves to be celebrated but struggling to leave
personally i've always liked the name frederick for dorothea. it's old-sounding but also kind of classy? yet simple too. i like the symmetry of them having longer names too hehe, and it sort of fits in with betty and james.
thank you for the awesome video, as always! watching them is so therapeutic for me ♥️
"Brand new tires" implies that he hid Esty's body in bush or swamp and left tracks behind, SO, he buys new ones so that cops can't directly link her death to him. Which poses a question. What did he do with his old tires?
Burnt them or sold em?
I always cry listening to dorethea, i apply it to my old friend who kind of forgot about me and moved away and has loads of other friends, but i'll always be here for her. i can't listen without crying but i love that song!!
You guys probably already know this but Abigail confirmed the divorce on Instagram and even used the word 'happiness'.
You both are way better than Genius at explaining every single line of her lyrics. Very details, much precise.
Ahh yes the girls are back!!! 🥺❤️ I’ve missed you guys!! I’m so excited for the next review and RED omg. I’m also super excited for merch!!!
I've been calling Dorothea's lover "Sunny" ever since I decided "Midnight Rain" was in the Dorothea Cinematic Universe. Sunny can be a name or nickname. Also, it could be spelled Sunni, which I understand to be a Korean girl's name, or Sonny, a common boy's nickname that doesn't go with any one name (like Junior and Chip).
Wait what. Midnight rain in Dorothea Universe makes sense because:
1) The lyrics "He wanted it comfortable, I wanted that pain" can be viewed as -> he wanted to stay in their hometown, have a normal job and be comfortable with his "living" or whatever, but she wanted that "pain" which is that pain that some pop stars experience (lack of privacy, pressure to be perfect, etc...) but at the end she wanted it.
2) In Midnight Rain she refers to how he has this family things like family gatherings, family time together and more and to her it came like a post card (from another city) but for him it's every day 'cause he's there with his family every day and she's not!?
3)And she was also making her own name, chasing that fame. And in the beginning she mentions pageant queens and new pretenders (like pop culture and stuff if that makes sense).
Okay in addition:
"He stayed the same, all of me changed like midnight"
Are you guys going to do an album breakdown of Red this month? Specifically before the rerecord drops? This is easily my FAVORITE channel right now, I watched through all your videos in a week and now I'm starving for more!!!
May I just say I am LIVING for your folklore vinyl collection in the background
JUST SAW THAT TAYLOR COMMENTED ON YOUR TIKTOK?!?! Congratulations I’m so happy for you guys what the hell. This has been my dream. I always said this on your videos? There’s no one more deserving 😭😭😭 I hope Taylor also watch all of these wholesome superior reaction & breakdowns!!! Now where is the damn personal note/merch package for these two superior swifties??
THE WAY TAYLOR COMMENTED ON ONE OF YOUR TIKTOKS OMGGGGGGGGG SHE KNOWS ANOUT YOU GUYS 😭
Also Dorothea is SUPERIOR. It has such a wholesome longing feeling to it.
It feels like Marianne (from Normal People) is singing this to Connell after he moves to New York maybe? Because Tis the damn season fits so perfectly with their story and Marianne really has this unconditional love for Connell.
Every time the intro music plays on no body no crime, I get such vivid mental imagery of the town where this story takes place. It is really as though I can see the houses & landscape around me, and feel the cold, misty air on my skin. It's such a good intro!
In happiness, the lines "i hope she'll be a beautiful fool" and "green light of forgiveness" are direct references to the great gatsby. I feel like she's drawing on the same feeling of knowing someone in a time before and the struggles of moving on - even with residual feelings that contradict the rational need to move on from the hurt that you have been caused to feel.
It was during the premier of the Willow music video that Taylor was answering questions about the album, and giving facts out, and said that Dorothea was the opposite perspective of Tis the Damn Season and that she felt that they went to the same school as James and Betty. So yes, definitely is the same story line! 🙂
Yes!! Love this!! Love to see you guys perspective on her songs!!
Happiness hurts.....It really hits home.....I needed to let a horrible person and her actions from my past go and was only able to do that in July.....And to see that she wasn't evil and to see my part in all of our fighting wasn't easy. So the first time I heard this song.....I just started crying. (Never thought that was gonna happen).
So much love and respect for Taylor for making this!!
Dorothea is one of Taylor’s best songs. So free, so light, so joyful. Taylor’s range in her songwriting is stunning and incomparable.
Can’t wait for part 3!!😍 every time I watch your breakdowns it makes me so happy that I want to go back and watch your first time reactions to the songs 🤣 so excited for Merch as well!
Okay I NEED to know if anyone else thinks this was intentional by Taylor:
“Honey, when I’m above the trees / I see this for what it is” -does for what it is sound like “forest” to you? Like, see the forest for the trees? When I’m above the trees, I see this forest.
Also, in Coney Island, “rogue that coaxed you,” doesn’t that sound like rollercoaster??
Girls its dawn in the morning and THIS IS MY GO-TO for perfect sipping a cup of tea and hearing you tqo talking. I love you so much guys. Keep healthy and do other breakdown. We are exactly into it ❤
i think 'skipping the prom' is such an important detail because now dorothea is this celebrity figure who would be wearing gowns and going to events that conflict who she was when this person know here - and following it up with 'are you still the same soul i met under the bleachers?' is so telling
I honestly want her to make a mini short film on each album. Like, have that be the second cd in the album. One is the tracks and the other one is the short film. She can write her own fiction dude. We already know she's great at storytelling so why not create a short story and bring it to life? Can someone please pass this idea to her? I love the worlds she creates for us, how she sets the whole scene up and we're just here seeing it in our mind. I wanna see that translate over to film. PLEASE. That would be so out of this world for me.
i simply cannot listen to “tolerate it” or “happiness”. I cry every single time either one comes on no matter what mood i was in before
One day I heard that someone said that tolerate it is about lady Diana. And thinking about that, it’s really interesting and for me, it’s kinda true. I know that wasn’t the inspiration tú I found it really interesting
I love dorothea but it breaks my fucking heart that they cannot make this relationship work. So wholesome but absolutely gut wrenching
i don't know why but tolerate always makes me think of a man coming back from war and not being able to adjust to his old life or let his wife in because of what he has seen which is tragic for both of them.
Personally in Tolerate it, I took the lyrics “use my best colors for your portrait” to a completely different place.
I thought maybe when she describes him to people (his portrait which is like who he is) she uses his better traits like her “best colors”, her best words, better memories they shared, she shows only the good side of their relationship, which is probably when they’re with other people and not alone.
Dorothea's man would have to have a plain, solid, old-fashioned kind of name: Charles, Mark, Frank, something like that. No Chad, Wyatt, Carson or anything like that.
I thought his name would be Matthew or Timothy. Those names just have that feeling of a boy that stayed in a small town all his life. They also go well with the name Dorothea.
Got salty because I didn't get the notification but I'm the salt because I hadn't rang the bell 🤦🏼♀️ CZcamss had just being notifying me up until now because... *OBSESSED*
right where you left me is my favorite song of all time 🥺❤️❤️❤️❤️
SAME. When I first heard it I was speechless. I proceeded to listen like 10x in a row no kidding. It paints such a vivid picture in my head, it’s such a heart wrenchingly clever way to convey that feeling. Ugh it is a masterpiece
i've just discovered your channel and i just can't beliebe i've been living without it!!!! I'd love to see you guys making that "ranking every taylor swift song" video 🥺🥺🥺⁰
I gasped with the casual reveal that ‘tolerate it’ is skipped often 😧
It's just so hard to listen to it sometimes, TOO RELATABLE
🤍🌜 can’t wait to watch this, I’ve watched part 1 at least 5 times.
I think Dorothea is criminally underrated, First off the topic of the song being sung by a lover to a person who has moved away to pursue stardom and how Taylor portrays such desperately but also acceptance to the reality is just so great. The vocals just bring such a fullness to this song paired with the hummingish talking she does in the song gives you a chance to breath and just lose yourself in the harmonies. The last thing is the instrumentals that just go along so well with the rest of the song, but the almost electronic sounds that you hear in the sort of long pauses at the end just give you such a warm feeling I can't explain. I find this her best song in her entire discography and probably of all time which is why i'm so passionate about this song to this degree. Great video by the way!
As a sapphic person, I’ve always seen Dorothea from the perspective of another woman (so a wlw relationship) because the way the narrator talks about Dorothea feels so relatable. That being said, I totally get where you guys are coming from and loved the video as always 🤍
Agreed! The couples in ttds/Dorothea and CLM are wlw imo
Sry I am late, but yes!! Also the way the narrator talks about their love it gives me forbidden vibes. Like «just to piss off your mom» and «met under the bleachers».💕
@@pernillemarkussen3420 yes!!! you get it
@@didemuca7598 I understand this is an old comment but I can’t think of a single way CLM is a sapphic story... if you connect the lyrics “oh I thought this is gonna be one of those things” and “the old *men* that I’ve swindled” the narrator is saying that they have swindled multiple men, and thought this current relationship was going to unfold the same way.
Not trying to be a hater or anything, I definitely can see other songs like Dorothea describe a wlw relationship but cowboy like me is clearly not in my opinion..
When happiness starts those first few lyrics, not only does "honey when I'm above the trees, I see this for what it is" mean that she can see the relationship clearly, it also references back to seven when she says "please picture me in the trees I hit my peak at seven feet," and I realized that on happiness she's talking about how she is past her young innocence and now understands what a real relationship is supposed to look like and what love is. She is "above" this past (the trees, or her childhood innocence).
As someone who follows the "Dorothea's narrator is a girl" theory, I'm really feeling "Ingrid" or something similar as her name
dorothea's lover is definitely a woman ya
Yesss
It radiates so much sapphic energyyy
these evermore/folklore videos of yours are my favorites and I always rewatch them when I have time
love how NBNC comes right after tolerate it because even though NBNC is clearly fictional it feels like it could be about the couple in tolerate it, like Este could be the narrator of tolerate it
Goodness Dorothea is top 5 for me on this album. I love that song SO much & idk what it is about it 😭
that float into the chorus is hauntingly beautiful 🥰
im literally cackling at the flower part LOLLL
“Use my best colors for your portrait,” I picture a woman painting a beautiful portrait of her husband, taking so much care, and using her finest paints
Haha so you just took it literally. Nice!
'Dappled with the flickers of light, From the dress I wore at midnight, Leave it all behind.'
This also reminds me of the Cinderella story, where she wears the beautiful dress but at midnight it is all over, the night with the prince comes to an abrupt end, and she has to leave it all behind. She becomes herself again, back to basics, without the glamour, the fairytale is over, the spell has stopped working.
this just made my day! I saw your story yesterday about the flowers that were smelling bad and had a feeling this video was coming!
Patiently waiting for any Red-related video on this channel tho. Girls, Taylor’s version is literally a month away 😳😳😳😳🧣🧣🧣🧣
Just woke up, my morning is complete imagine waking up with this to iconic duo talking about the queen Taylor Swift 💖💯
We all are so excited to see you two react to Red Taylor's version!!
I relate to this song so much but it’s interesting because I never interpreted the chorus the way you did! I always thought of it as “wait by the door like I’m just a kid” as in waiting by the door excited for him to get home and then “use my best colors for your portrait” as in she used her best colors painting a portrait of him…so like she’s giving her all and her best and he just tolerates it and couldn’t care less.
You have no idea how much I need this. I watch at least one video of yours each day just to energize & fuel me cause I don’t have swiftie friends. I can’t wait for all the upcoming goodness. All the evermore & red vibes. Fall couldn’t be better this year.
Oh and I don’t know if you’re up to it. But I would love to see your vinyl collection. I love watching that kinda video especially since I just start collecting vinyl, and would love to see recommendations cause you two have a superior taste in music 💕
I’m so looking forward to your breakdown of cowboy like me and Coney Island because they are literally my two favorite tracks on evermore, except I have no idea what they mean I just know they are beautiful to listen to😭
Sorry I can never skip any song of Taylor. Doesn't matter if it is too relatable.
Thank uuuu for blessing my Sunday morning 🥺🥺🥺🥺💛💛💛 i adore you both. My comfort channel.
Omg I just found your channel randomly and I literally love you guys already 🥰
Another thing to note is when she says “Honey, when I’m above the trees”, I think she’s referencing the phrase “can’t see the forest for the trees”. Meaning when you’re in the depths of something, you can’t see the entire picture. I would bet money that she’s referencing that phrase in that line
Yeah she's seeing this from an eagle eyed pov like looking at the bigger picture and seeing the situation from both perspective and with compassion even though you know your hurt but not his
Then she says 'when I am right down in it all the years I have given is just shit we're dividing up' so now she's only seeing this from her own pov and
Throughout this whole song she switches from looking at the bigger picture and being compassionate to thinking about her hurt
It's genius
Soooo the visualization I see when Tolerate It is ending and we have that time to comprehend... it's not only a Taylor thing to end it with a line that started, but its a line that brings us to the reality of her still sitting, meaning the entire song is a journey that sonically rewinds to a point where a decision is going to be made, and don't know what that decision is... wow.
Love these videos! When you talked about tolerate it I was reminded of ATW 10 minute “use my best colours for your portrait” and thought of “the idea you had of me who was she? A never needy ever lovely jewel who’s shine reflects on you” it’s a similar concept!
And also “gain the weight of you to loseee it” is similar vibes to “I’m a soldier who’s returning half her weight”
Here AFTER the All Too Well short film and your breakdown and speculation of this possibly being inspired by Jake, ugh it hit me like a ton of bricks. “Lay the table with the fancy shit” made me think of the dinner party from the short film. If so, yoooo, this guy was SO TOXIC and downright demeaning. Makes me appreciate Joe so much more 😭
I totally feel tolerate it reads like it’s about Jake…
I always took the "drawing hearts in the byline" a bit different. Byline is usually a term that refers to the author of an article in a newspaper. I always thought it tied into the "story of your life" part. He is the author of this story she doesn't understand but she still draws hearts for him. She still cares and pays attention to the story. She tries to add herself to this story but she still is "begging for footnotes" despite all of her efforts. Idk, that's how I took it.
For some reason I always felt Dorothea's counterpart would be *Graham.* The name is just so homey and boyish without being too masculine.
I actually cannot fathom the fact that there are people out there who don't appreciate Dorothea. Its production perfectly embodies the feeling of the song which to me is selfless, unconditional love. Seeing Dorotheas perspective in TTDS, you can see that she looks at their time together with a heavy heart. She has to leave town but she doesn't want to leave him. Seeing things from his perspective he obviously still loves her and always will but he knows it weighs on her heavy that she can't be with him. For that reason, he would never ask her to stay. He understands it would just add to the weight she's carrying. The chorus "Its never too late to come back to my side, the stars in your eyes shined brighter in Tupelo, and if you're ever tired of being known for who you know, you know you'll always know me" always makes me cry because he's saying it in a light, airy way like 'hey don't worry, you go do your thing and I'll always be here, don't worry about me' so the situation doesn't hurt her more than it already does but to me that line is so heavy because he's being selfless in the way that he knows he can't ask her to stay, she can't ask him to wait but he's saying he'll wait anyways or no matter what is going on in his life like don't worry you can always come back to my side like SORRY THAT IS SO HEAVY AND MAKES ME CRY EVERYTIME and the fact that the production is so airy and light, like bonny said at the end she feels like she's being swept away in the wind at the end of the song, its like a gut punch because sorry that was so intentional for his side to be delivered so light so Dorothea doesn't have to carry a heavy heart when she thinks of him. I find this to be such a heavy song but the fact that its production is so airy just adds another layer to show how much he loves her and UGH its so perfect and gets me every time. I could write a ten page essay on how superior TTDS/dorothea are
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I LOVE your reactions!!