How Does Modern Who Compare to Classic?
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- čas přidán 27. 01. 2024
- Doctor Who has had many iterations over the years, but no shift between them has been as drastic as the one between the original run of episodes starting in 1963 and spanning across 26 Seasons, and its return in 2005 with the Revival. Today I finally do the impossible and rank them together- and see how Doctor Who truly compares... to Doctor Who.
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Its a banger list & despite disagreeing with like 5 you gave good reasons for all of them.
Clearly New Who is the best because I grew up with it. Unfortunately, everyone else’s childhood doesn’t matter. Sorry, guys.
nice argument but have you considered MY childhood
@@dwfan91- How old are you dwfan91???
@@gabrielpeterson3991 91
My childhood was with the animated episodes. So how about THAT childhood?
I did not grow up on Doctor who. Started with Nuwho, that’s when I discovered the show. Watched the first 6 series out at that time. Then went back to check out classic who.
Classic who is way better. Coming from someone with no childhood for classic or Nuwho.
The people whp say you can't compare these two eras because there's a 16 year gap between the eras don't understand there is a 26 year gap between the beginning and end of classic Doctor Who.
Facts
And given all of the media during the "gap" (Wilderness Years) with Big Finish, novels, plays, off-canon videos...that is an entire era unto itself.
_(Sits down, smiles, clicks PLAY)_
this is why you're the goat
Although I think I’ve been converted to a mega classic who enjoyer over the past few years , the childhood magic from watching series 5 when I was younger is very hard to top. Like brother I was Amy Pond, I was that kid man. That along with series 3 are absolutely perfect to me. But saying that I’ve begun to favour classic who, shit consistently slaps. Also love the cheeky fun videos, always a massive joy to watch.
you not gonna hear me say anything against that, Series 5 is a mega W, incredible series
I've been with it since Tom Baker, and I'd say Smith's first year...quality wise...is probably the tightest season of any in the show's history, or at least on par with the original season 14 (The Masque of Mandragora holds that one back from perfection).
@@OzBaxter Season 14 may just be my favourite classic series. Tonally it’s perfect, the absolute peak of Holmes/Hinchcliffe era and POSSIBLY the classic era. It’s beautiful man. That’s so sick that you’ve been there since Tom though.
@@ManiBatchelor Thanks boss! This show is a wild ride. The 90's were tough to get through. But it's been gold since 2005 : )
This is exactly the dwfan91 content I’ve been craving
we're so back
i grew up with modern who but fell much more in love with classic who in the past 5 years
Massive W🫡
@deathstripe1 What is your fav Classic episode so far?
Rise Of The Cybermen 2-parter and the series 8 finale being so low down is one of the hottest takes I've ever seen ngl. I almost admire the boldness.
Tbf I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend the Series 8 finale ever before. Most people know its not very good even if they don't dislike it to the degree I do
@@dwfan91-I'd say that about Death in Heaven, but not about Dark Water. I love that episode.
Bruh i don’t even watch dr who anymore but you’re goated bruv
*You* are goated too my friend🫡
I remember stumbling on a weird rabbit hole on doctor who wikis about something called faction paradox. I could never figure out what it really was and how it connected to doctor who, although i imagine it came from the wilderness years in the same vain of the stranger. Could you do a video explaining it, if it is actually doctor who expanded universe stuff, i couldn't tell.
_"Faction Paradox??"_ dwfan91 sighs, taking a long pull from his whiskey bottle. _"...okay."_ He begins typing.... 😇
Tl;dr: Faction Paradox was a heretical house of Time Lords that worshipped chaos and time travel paradoxes and stuff.
I feel like I need a video from you going over what you feel are the main differences between classic and modern who and why you prefer the former!
I completely disagree with this entire list but dwfan91 makes it so entertaining that i agree with him 😂
I will always unapologetically love Dalek, always and forever🙏
Me and a friend of mine just started going through all of classic who. We’ll definitely being doing a list like this once we’re all the way through.
I hope you enjoy!
New Who can be great, but too often ties itself into pretzels over fannish concerns, lampshades some of the silliest elements (rather than accepting them, ignoring them and moving on).
it tries to be more "realistic" with "real" reactions to the shows concepts, but too often just highlights the inconsistencies in character and settings.
When the new show steers closer to old Who, it smashes it. When it plays with the formula, it can go either way. When it tries to mash the old formula around the 'feels', it does both a disservice
What a great assessment
Please make that “Parting of the Ways” video! I need more confirmation of my Eccleston supremacy bias. I just used the “Emergency Program One” monologue for an audition.
As a kid I actually watched classic who first due to thinking that New Who would be "scarier" with it's updated effects...
and that all went away when I discovered The Lazarus Experiment.
the major distinction i make with them , u watch classic if u want to see more exposition and wandering from place to place but if u want more action u watch modern doctor who 2005 - 2017 at least. chibnall's to RTD2 seem to bring back the classic feel a bit with the more exposition and wandering so far so we'll see how the new era goes.
the way I see it is if you want depth in your storytelling watch seasons 1-14 of the original. If you want cheap thrills like a rollercoaster catch some of the revival. If you want fanservice watch the 80s. From an objective standpoint, it seems pretty clear the original is the best, but for light entertainment the revival is pretty good and far above the majority of what else is on TV at the moment.
Love these videos!!
I watched classic Who As a child before the 2005 reboot but never in order, I think this will be my next mission now they are on I-player…
I’d love if the show did venture into parallel universes, I think it would be class to reinvent classic stories, especially missing episodes with different doctors in a parallel setting with todays budget..
probably why I’m so set on the Timeless child being in the doctors future not past.
thats a good theory
To paraphrase the old Mark Gatiss Sketch for new Who...
Producer 1 "Its vital to get the casting of the first 4 Doctors absolutely correct!"
Producer 2: "And then?.."
Producer 1 "Oh.. any fucker that ticks a box!"
At a fundamental level, I find that there is a big difference between the Classic and New. In the Classic, more of the episodes had more of an external story - a war or some other conflict with characters apart from the Doctor and Companion(s). The Doctor came in and they helped resolve the conflict. New Who often puts the Doctor and Companion(s) as more the focus of the story or as the antagonists. I prefer the Classic stories better though the production etc. is obviously night and day bedtter in the new era.
Happy Birthday you maddest of lads! Thank you for all the fun you bring this community! Here's to another successful regeneration!
As always my friend, you are a legend
The thing about New Who is that it fluctuates so wildly in quality. When it’s good, it’s GOOD, and when it isn’t, it can be REALLY bad.
Now THIS is a dwfan91 video (my comment is factually correct) (prove me wrong) (you can't)
can't argue with that
Like others. I grew up with predominantly New Who as a kid. I have vivid memories of series 1 and 2 when they started. Massive nostalgia.
But I fortunately was bought Classic Who DVDs because they started growing as a range. So I had a bit of both growing up.
But after 2013 and the huge influx of who during the anniversary year.
I love it now. So much range, tones and creativity 😁
Finally someone that agrees that the beast below and victory of the daleks are underrated! Some of those series 5 choices though...🤣😁 I think cold war and the empress of mars are still the best ice warrior stories we have ever gotten. I do agree that most of series 9 is sooooooooo bad. Demons of the punjab is a good watch.
I personally think the Curse of Peladon is the best Ice Warrior but Empress is fun. I enjoy Series 5 a lot so I'll rate it all pretty highly
How did I miss this upload? I’m 10 hours late. Gonna watch it.
Great video, but difficult to watch from the sofa on a small-ish TV. On the other hand, I will enjoy watching it again on the computer up close. I agree with about 90% of the choices.
What happened to The Empty Child and The Doctor Dances...don't see them on the Teir list?
They're in B tier.
I would love a video of you talking about Dalek, Bad Wolf & Parting of the Ways. Plsssssss they are such good episodes and I agree that it should b a crime for the soundtrack to not be easily accessible. It’s diviiineee
The amount of big finish that has been made is insane to me, opening up that tierlist to just keep SCROLLING down the options lmao
this legendary "brief explanation of the EU" video is gonna be fun huh😂
@@dwfan91- I'm sure it'll only be like... 24 hours long
@@leadisterrible pray for me😭
completely agree with series 5!
absolute best series of nuwho without a doubt
it has the perfect mix of high stakes and funny moments ESPECIALLY amys choice
the weeping angel two parter makes the angels even more frightening as they can actually kill you rather then making you live to death which wasnt even that bad.
and the finale is beyond incredible. The reveal of the whole scenario being amys childhood memories is SO well done however, the big bang falls off a bit because all of the doctors enemies are no longer surrounding him and hes only being chased by one, barely functioning dalek
but who knows that might change as ive just started rewatching series 5
🙂
The only reason I can come up with with the 2023 who being a separate category is Disney.
I'm actually working on a video about it right now. Needless to say, I agree with your assessment
When you do the Shada animation video please cover the Ian Levine version, it gets little modern coverage despite it leaking and existing in the wild.
the goat is BACK
Man I love this guy
I love you too Scaroth1979
Anyone who rates Flatline as S tier has good taste imho
You already know🤝
YOOOO HES BACKKKK!!!
Imo a lot of the S Tier modern who is S+ like the Library two parter, Family of Blood, Turn Left but I am lacking in Classic Who knowledge. I do, however, respect the Series 2 slander (the two parters are good though). What happened to Rose Tyler that Series? Great video!
I actually think Rose Tyler in Series 1 is a great character. She devolves dramatically in Series 2 however and its strange to see. Just jarring. The finale is good though.
peak video as always
peak kaastretch comment as always
Reason i dont like series 6 opener is because almost every single plot point thats introduced is resolved in the most unsatisfying way ever. On its own it is good though.
WOOOOOOOOOO YEAH MAN NEW UPLOAD
My only major complaints are the Zygon episodes and Demons of the Punjab. I thought the Zygon two-partner was mid at least, with a great speech at the end. D-tier maybe. And I personally hate Demons of the Punjab. All the things I dislike about the Whitaker era (as a Whitaker era fan) in all the worst ways. There’s so much to love. Love that people love this episode. But I can’t stand it.
Another banger
You're awesome
does anyone know where I can watch Classic Who in Spain?
archive dot org :)
Difference is between classic and morden Who is that there have been actors who have done the show for more then just 3 seasons like Jon pertwee did the show for 5 seasons and Tom baker did the show for 7 seasons
Im so excited to jump in the world of Doctor John Who and watch 60 years worth of silly wacky sci-fi content
I like much of your ratings, but TIME HEIST in C-tier? Really?? Its a banger! And Clara is hot as bombs in it!❤
Otherwise...I love your stuff, man.
I respect your reasoning
I asked my dad about this since he grew up with classic who, he refused to answer because he doesn’t like favourites but i think the case is that mostly, the people who grow up with classic who will prefer classic who and the people who grew up with nuwho will prefer nuwho.
this is true for star wars as well
Love it 🙌
PEAK DROPPED 🚨🚨🚨
Good. Now let’s see how Peter Cushing holds up to classic who
I feel for classic who you need to have a different way of watching it considering it’s old 😂 just looking at rose and an unearthly child, there’s a pretty big difference. Not sure about the newer side of classic who as I’ve only seen up to the 4th doctor(in season 12) and yes I’ve seen the tales of the tardis but they’re shortened down so you can’t exactly equate them to their classic who full story counter part.
Also ever since the start of this year I’ve been watching about the equivalent of a nuwho episode per day starting with an unearthly child(including multi doctor episodes where I watch an episode multiple times throughout the watch. 1 example being where I watch twice upon a time at the end of the 1st doctor’s era then rewatch it when I get to the end of 12s era) and what I mean by equivalent of a nuwho episode is that I watch 2 episodes of classic who per day as that’s around about 1 episode of nuwho in terms of how long it is in minutes. So far I just finished the space museum today which is currently one of my favourites. I’m also including spin-offs.
Also when are you explaining why Matt Smith is a fraud D:
Im currently watching classic who but unfortunately im having difficulty because of the pacing, i am quite young and have grown up round the Internet and i do have the common case of the brainrot so i prefere the pacing of the 2005 reboot. I am enjoying classic but so far i prefer new who
My advice would be to watch 1-2 parts a day. Maybe only 1. Watch it like a CZcams video while you eat or something. It's actually very fun!
@@dwfan91- thank you I'll take this into mind later!
Now rank all the spin offs, VNAs, Comics and Big Finish
Was wondering why you placed Rise of the Cybermen/Age of steel so low? For me that's a classic.
Bland, underdeveloped and uninspired. Riffing on better stories and bringing little to nothing new to the table. Couple that with a garbage redesign and bland characterisation for the Cybermen and you have a rushed mess with a resolution that makes you wonder why they even bothered.
No, that’s a new who.
I’m someone who has grown up on nu who but as the years have gone by I’m massively baised towards classic who
WHATS. UP. EVERYBODYYY.
I don’t think I’ve ever been so personally offended watching a video before, when you decided to throw series 8 finale and most of series 9 in the bin 😭
I think we need a video on Zygon invasion/inversion
At least you liked hell bent
I don't like talking about those episodes
Never really watched classic who aside from the best episodes in my opinion such as cyberman episodes like attack of the cybermen and silver nemesis and remembrance of the Daleks
>Calls Matt Smith a fraud, rates pretty much all of series 5 highly
You can’t hide what’s inside bro
hot take, maybe? Timelesschild>Biregeneration
fair
Now what if biregeneration had been written as the by-product of solving the metacrisis meaning that you could get rid of that "non-binary" "let it go" "male presenting Time Lord" ragebait bs AND have a credible explanation for bi-regeneration AND have the metacrisis having lasting consequences as a result - have it occur earlier in the Giggle so that the Giggle is a proper multi-Doctor story, skip that whole TARDIS cloning mallet thing and have Tenant solemnly give up his TARDIS to Gatwa. If it had been done like that would it still have been the weaker choice?
torchwood
As a series 9 enjoyer....ouch
If you can believe it I am one too
5:31 CYBERMEN ARE GREAT
They are you are correct😔
yessir
LETSS GOOOOO
Goated video
ERIC
You’re wrong. Still love the content though
big new earth fan?
@@dwfan91- yeah but way more important is that I’m a massive husbands of river song fan and you VIOLATED it. That’s just my opinion tho ❤️❤️
@@solidsnakebutaduck84 I suppose new earth and husbands are around the same level. You are right though husbands is probably better
The tier list seems to skip a few. I noticed the Satan episodes and love abd monsters are missing
Oh wait you just skipped them
I edited out the ones where I didn't have commentary for them
Show fell off after they left Totter's Lane 😮💨
At this point I genuinely can't tell if you hating the End of Time is a comedy bit. Its such a bizarre take, it has to be.
Why would it be a bit, the episode is comically, ridiculously, cartoonishly bad. It literally stumbles at the first hurdle and the rest is a bizarre self indulgent fever dream. Not even Timothy Dalton can save this one
@@dwfan91- genuinely don’t get how the end of time is so loved
@@Scaroth1979 i remember when it was a widely accepted fact that it sucked. Nostalgia really does cloud the past for some people, I guess
@@dwfan91- I can think of tons of worse episodes than The End of Time, F tier episodes should be ones with no redeemable quailites as there's no tier lower. I cannot for a second believe that you think the whole story has no redeemable qualities. Its a two-hour story and in all that runtime you don't like a single thing about it? At worst I think its a mediocre episode but definitely not F Tier.
@@dwfan91- DINNNNAAA TIIIIMMMMEEEE!!!!
Don't pretend to be a fan of classic Who if you don't like the Timeless Child. I said what I said.
Classic is way better. And this is coming from someone who started with Nuwho.
I was raised on NuWho and I can tell you for certain. Classic Who is better
There are some based takes here 👍
Thank you king🫡
@@dwfan91- My pleasure 🫡 great video. I'm obsessed with making tier lists
Pyramid at the End of the World? More like BORE Ragnarok
they set up something so amazing and gave us something so mid
@@dwfan91- I think the whole Monk trilogy was rushed and uninteresting. If they'd set it up sooner, maybe had the whole first half of the show take place in the simulation, it might've been less of a flop.
@@CyberController- I genuinely think it could've been amazing and that they had enough time to fully take advantage of it (3 episodes is a long time) but they flopped with the execution so badly. I think the main issue is the pacing, the lack of set-up, the terrible execution and the poor thought that went into Pyramid at the End of the World. Yes Lie of the Land is the worse episode but I think the blame lies on Pyramid for not setting up ANYTHING and forcing Lie to try and resolve everything in a rushed 45 minute snoozefest
@@CyberController-granted, Moffat was writing this at his mother’s literal deathbed, so it’s understandable he wasn’t up to par with his better stories.
New Who can't hold a candle to classic Who. The New Who actors are fine, but their stories are dreadful.
True
Dreadful is an insane take.
@@HishamA.N_Comicbroe nah it’s sadly accurate. There is absolutely no redeeming qualities about the new Who stories. The only thing that is mildly interesting is the acting of the various Doctors (minus Matt Smith, he’s just plain awful).
I honestly must say that until recently nothing was as bad as 80s Who ,YES there'd some exceptions but my gosh the recent 60th specials are and were sadly worse than the entire 80s content ...gutting , but from Eccleston through to end of Whittaker there's probably only 12 stories I don't like much most are from Tennant era admittedly ...but alas ...Moffat, 60s and 70s Who , Eccleston and most of Whittaker eras are my top tier for me ...and end of McCoy at a push ... But yes I think I rank most nu who top tier ... And if classic who had each story edited together a 90min episodes or something it would be easier hehe but alas it's all gravy
I love your videos, but please stop saying the Chibnall era is in any way good. The Timeless Children is a clumsy, badly written and badly executed load of.old tripe.
thats most of modern who too tho