Crawler Canyon Quick(re)view: Element Enduro 12
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2024
- This is the Quickview of the inexplicably "1/12th scale" Enduro 12 from Element RC. It is pretty widely known that in 1/10th scale, the Enduro SE is one of the only RTRs to get a soft pass from me, so how does his little brother compare?
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Some links:
Enduro Sendero 12 bit.ly/3IaIfJH
Enduro Ecto 12 bit.ly/3SMp0vf
UTB18 bit.ly/47LjXAw
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The small scale rigs are good for people with less budget, people who can't get out to crawl or people who dont have much storage space.
I was very skeptical but when it was clear i wouldn't have any outdoor wheeling time for a good while i picked up a FCX24 and a Furitek Wagon.
I've been really impressed on thier performance for the size. I have a 3d printer and the small scale allows me to easily print bodies, bumpers, links etc
The new offerings from FMS and Furitek are a major step up from the Element and Axial Scx24, in my opinion.
I;ve heard this about the Furitek small stuff-- that the SCX24 looks basically like a relic. I've no desire to find out. This was an entertaining (mostly) experiment, but I still find no allure in the smaller stuff. Living in the land without seasons helps.
@@CrawlerCanyon it's not going to make sense in your case I totally agree, it's still fun to see your take on them though. You would laugh at the size of the tiny out runner in the Fury Wagon, it's very wee lol.
100 agree had alot of scx24 and got in to fms and hobbyplus they have better quality 👍🏻
I'm getting Flight of The Navigator vibes from that controller.
I found this scale pretty good for my tastes, some sence of variety, easier to carry on the backpack, the ride become a little more challenging. It feels OK for our plain-ish area👍🌞
i have a utb18, i put a hobbywing 1080 in it with the stock motor, put the vanquish vt-1 radio in and it's a total blast to use. The 1080 made a massive difference.
So just imagine how bad the FlySky 2-in-1 is for the Spektrum 2-in-1 to be roughly 100% better.
@@CrawlerCanyon when spektrum anything is a better option, whatever it's replacing must be the highest grade of trash
It’s based off the thundertiger hilux , they made the tioga cr12 based off that chassis first and now it became this . I have my hilux still I bought it years ago , they came with a hobby wing 1040 back then and the same lithium ion battery but chassis mounted servo instead , when the associated one came out the hilux version disappeared
Excited for this one!
It has a 267mm (10.5") wheelbase which is the same as a large number of Tamiya 1/10 vehicles. They made a mistake on the box. I have one of these and like it a lot.
Wheelbase aside, the Enduro 12 remains inferior to the UTB18 in every single category. I can't see a single point for recommendation.
@@CrawlerCanyonIt says "trail truck" on the box but it seems like you want it to be a rock crawler. Tomley and the SBG guy had a better experience with it than you did, and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
@@jamesmcdonald2680 Element doesn't get a free pass for taking a Thunder Tiger vehicle, putting worse components on it, raising the price, and calling it a "trail truck" to justify the absolute lack of performance. People pretty much dragged the previously-released PUBG tie-in Thunder Tiger rigs for their lack of performance, and I don't recall anyone ever singing the praises of the CR12. IIRC, Tomley also called the Ascent his "RTR of the year" which is an absolute kill-shot to any kind of credibility. I'm not contractually obligated to like the Enduro 12. So I don't.
It climbed pretty good after the mods. Probably had a lot to do with the driver.
At work I tend to look at the entry level employees. Then I think why aren’t they where I am now after my 10,000 hours. So, just like with having and raising kids, I have to keep in mind where I was at that starting point.
Good job having grace with this little guy.
The element 1/24 scale, I have not tried, I have heard don’t bother… I do not know if 1/12 will stick like 1/24 ,1/18, and 1/10 scale rock crawlers. As for right now it seems like an entry level toy.
But if I was a 10 year old, and I got this fast. Tough, Fall Guy looking truck. I would have been in Love.
Thank you for all the work you do for Us Sir. Please have a great day!!!
between the two, would you rather buy this or a redcat ascent
That question conjures the old saying of "which would you rather have, a punch in the face or a kick in the balls?"
But I will say that you can fix of the problems of the Enduro 12 more easily. Or with less money. Probably both. I continue to advise against both.
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Lol
i was looking at this truck because originally i saw the MT12 Mad Van and loved it purley because it was a solid axle van. i then saw that the two chassis are pretty much the same so i want to slap the tires from the mad van and the body from the mad van onto this and have a van crawler. i am not a huge crawler person, i enjoy it but the prices of these things are too much for me to have a slow truck that can get up rocks well. something else im now concerned about is how hard those van tires are, but then again i dont live in a very rocky area. id mainly use it on the beach and in the woods. anyone have thoughts on this? i cant really find another option to make a van crawler without blowing big bucks. and upgrading the electronics is no biggie for me i dont mind doing that in the future.
Thanks!
It's keeping all of the UTB electronics in it. It's not half bad with a (near) full electronics replacement.
Not gonna lie, i want the bushido version 🤘🍻🤘
id like to know how well a sand scorcher body fits on that truck, been thinking it will work with longer links thank you for you time, i watch every day. hope to donate soon
If you start replacing, you could likely get a Sand Scorcher on there. I feel like you'd be in the cost neighborhood of the UTB18 Bugger by the time all was said and done, though.
I think this truck is awesome, Im planning on picking up the Ecto version. I do love the small scale stuff though. I have many scx24, fcx24 and trx4m.
There's a 1/12 Ecto? Like a true Ecto with trailing arms?
Nope. It's an Enduro with a small Ecto body.
@@chrispearce9224 Yeah the only difference is the body and the wheelbase.
Ecto: 265mm
Sendero: 201mm
@@Steve_J81 no the wheelbase is identical.
@@jrfishes well then the product page is a liar because it clearly says they are different.
I see this as "made to hit a price point" if that makes sense. Money's tight right now for most people, and I imagine element saw a market for people who wanted an outside capable size rig but not willing to spend more than 200ish bucks
Interesting take, and I know you’re into the 1/10 only… but I will say, these have taken off in our local crawler scene. I’m excited at the prospect of something new to mess around with (and I also tend to prefer the smaller stuff haha)
The core problem here is that the UTB18 exists. Axial's offering is better in every conceivable way. Literally. There are zero upsides to an Enduro 12 relative to the UTB18. The Enduro feels toy-grade by comparison.
@@CrawlerCanyon you mentioned how the Tamiya bodies would be a good fit for scale building, and I’d say this platform (especially the Sendero body) would probably favor builders on that end of the spectrum. Time will tell how it’s received!
"Rock Crawler" is a fine line....more like Trail truck.
I think we all agree that if we're planning on hitting the trail, size isn't the primary concern (as I've heard more than one person say that the SCX6 is maybe the ultimate trail truck) and I don't think many of us would choose a vehicle with a battery tray formed to hold an 850mah battery. Trail truck shouldn't be an excuse term for "cannot actually crawl."
Element should have taken any Grabber 1.55 from the Zuul, Trailrunner or KnightRunner and put it on here. Wonder what is on the new Ecto 12? Thanks for the video.
Same exact tires as the Enduro, and the same wheels only in black instead of cheesy fake chrome.
@@CrawlerCanyon Trash. Too bad.
I just don't get these, I could do the utb18 as a capra is costly but anything below 1/10 is just why
You know I love this hobby and enjoy most of what some companies offer us and this is more of an insult to the hobby enthusiast. This is what you bring to a little kids birthday party. And they would be happy as a pig in the mud.
I just kept thinking that for $99 this thing would be amazing and I'd ignore a lot of the glaring problems, because I'll forgive a lot at $99. But at $199, this thing is a crime in the same universe where the UTB18 exists.
Would one of those Injora 2065s fit in there? Maybe offer to put one in the bag, too!
Element opted for a "mini" servo in this, which is a size without a whole lot of support nowadays. I remember pan cars running them in the 90s, and I still have a couple nearly-functional Hitec HS235AGs, but the size is a throwback. I think Savox still makes one or two minis, if the owner wants the loudest servo money can buy.
@@CrawlerCanyon I found some videos by the At Ease RC guy where he changed the servo by using the UTB18 servo mount (of course!) with some modifications, then recently Spare-time Hobbies released a mount to fit more modern servos. So, having a completely modified UTB18 is the prereq!
HobbyStar 2208 1900kv outrunner & hobbywing quickrun 30 is what i put in my barrage fitted with a 90s ford flareside hardbody . Matches my 1:1
Most people change tyres anyway on rtr rigs yeah?
Anyway i bought one even after your review.
But i got it for a tamiya hard body scale project.
I was looking at the cc-02 for that project but this looks way more capable.
This car is more 10th scale than most 10th scale cars out there.
Very much inline with tamiya 10th scale imo.
i bought an Enduro SE last week, one good thing i can say as i am running rtr radio(esc and motor swapped out immediately) is on the SE atleast the reciever can handle 7,4V, even if i agree the radio is horrible
I agree… who needs this?
I mean, did someone ask for a smaller Enduro? There's already a tiny one, did we need one in the middle? Amain is currently giving away an Enduro 24 with the purchase of a Trailrunner, which is on sale-- so for $299 a person gets a big one and a lil' one. After the drive, I don't find the $199 for the 12 attractive at all.
@@CrawlerCanyon its totally unnecessary with a 12. And it’s so sad to see this RTR electronics and the tires 😢 I’ve always thought they couldn’t fit any worse electronics. Haha laugh so hard when you say, “element goes, hold my beer” 😂
139 would make me interested but I sold my old cr toga the steering was terrible needed a football stadium to turn around lol
I did... this chassis is great for tamiya's version of 1/10 scale.
So so many options.
The only reason you would get a smaller scale is to run inside on indoor courses in winter when it snows.. as an Australian it’s all outdoors down here luckily…
It looks great without the chrome wheels but in stock form i would also hate it (not the body though). I like a smooth running truck with good control/modulation, One thing I cant stand is jerky trucks with no trigger control. My £100 FTX Ravine which is pretty much toy grade runs better.
❤ I'll tell you who asked for this ! The mom's and dad's who have to pay for it 😂
Wow 💢💥blown my mind w the 60 product n ur right I work in assembly right next to shipping n yes we no all about how much shit cost n weight n space on pallet all so true I can't belive I never thought of that I just fig Idk about the rc electronics n design n stuff u know but damn I just assume we r all poor or getting poor n they get it so there all moving to 24th 18th scale but ur right we r loosing all our bells n whistles 😅😢300 10th scale but 200 for a c'mon re done Cr12 thx u open my eyes 👌🏽👍
It follows the Ready to replace tradition... XD
We got the UTB18 on your recommendation at sub $200 and after a few upgrades we absolutely love it. This Element is a huge letdown. Our RGT Rock Cruiser (Jimny) was better out of the box and cheaper than this. It also has the same FlySky setup which our unrefined tastes don't mind.
I can see the size being something i'd like but, as you say, I would be ashamed if I was element. How can you be proud of something that is not fit for purpose. With better tyres and electronics it looks like it would be a nice ride. Are you going to have a go at improving it more?
I hate that I like it with the UTB12 wheels/tires on it and the ‘lectricals in it. With that said, hope the new owner enjoys the thing as-is now that it’s somewhat decent!
Ohhh damnnn. A littler baseline kinda 😎😎😎😎
The chassis looks about the same size as Lil' Fella.
It seems to me that Element developed the Enduro platform and said "Job done, we have a crawler."
It's amazing that the electronics have gotten worse. Their designers are capable of innovation (Stealth XF) but the bean counters are crippling the RtR experience.
All I can think is that unbeknownst to us, somewhere out there in the world exists a Thunder Tiger vehicle that they took, made a body for, and called it a day. It's wildly disappointing.
I'd like to see motor/esc combos to save money, rather than receiver/esc combos.
Glad you're doing your thing with the new 12th scale. I can't imagine anybody wanting Element to spend their time on this instead of developing Portal axles, or 6x6, gearbox w/dig or 2 speed, or another 10th scale chassis? I dunno SMH
I assume they’re being neutered by horizon hobby? Maybe. Forced to slot under the scx10s…
Associated Electric/Element RC are owned by Thunder Tiger, and therefore not under the Horizon Umbrella. Which is surprising considering their recent business choices.
@@CrawlerCanyonoh wow. How very wrong I was. For some reason I assumed they were under HH. Maybe it was the compatibility between the 10.2 and the enduro that led me to believe such. I guess this is their quick cash grab version of a utb18…
@@JUSTHAVEFUNRC I googled around and I was correct in my suspicion-- the Enduro 12 is a rebodied Thunder Tiger Toyota Hilux 1/12, with the added bonuses of worse electronics and crappier tires. The Hilux is $175.
@@CrawlerCanyon oh… I know element claims it’s a updated cr12. Since they liked to grenade their ring and pinions. Unless the Hilux was already an updated cr12 that they just “element-ified”
Well I wanted the ecto version, until now….
people love the smaller scale trucks and many people asked for it very many people asked for it enough so that they made it
I just wish they had made it better. It’s a rebadged several-years-old Thunder Tiger that was never highly regarded. The UTB18 is better at quite literally everything.
Wow 😮it looks like Baseline is out of a job 😂
The thing you said about "its easier to buy a 200$ rig for a kid, than a 500$ one" isnt really something that excuses Element for the 1/12 scale thing they made. My father got me a 150€ 1/10 HSP Pangolin (Redcat Everest clone, basically) some years ago, and thats how I started in this hobby. Obviously its wasnt amazing (surely better than the Enduro12), and I ended up changing everything on it and usint its parts for other purposes/rigs. I dont get why companies prefer getting a lot of money out of small amounts of units, instead of selling a good product at a reasonable price and sell way way more units, I guess they get enough profit maybe and dont want to do thing properly?
Also, those orange wheels look better than the stock ones, for sure
lol you need 5 more of the stock Element Enduro 12
Im Looking at Enduro 12 Bushido
It's going to be the exact same rig as this but with a Bushido body. So be prepared to replace the wheels, tires, and all of the electronics. Which brings the actual RTR price up to $350-400. You will likely put an Enduro 12's purchase price in upgrades into an Enduro 12 just to get reasonable performance out of it.
I am sending an scx6 honcho😂😂😂😂😂
I would love him to review and SCX6, I love mine. It's a beast, best thing ever as a trail rig.
@@Doug_Morgan yeah but still love my 1/10,,, just a different experience
I'll say where I live the terrain is kinda not the best for crawling. The smaller trucks have more interesting stuff to crawl on because everything is bigger to it
I was trying to come up with a long explanation of what's going on in my head right now. And then I thought better of it. What we have here is the old depiction of the donkey wearing a stick with a carrot held out in front of him or her. In the same way that the government is treating us these days, unless there is a call of BS by the people, we shall always be a donkey wearing a stick that taunts us with a carrot.
I have a retail theory I call "the Nissan experiment," where a company or companies endeavors to produce the least capable, or specifically in the case of Nissan, the possible product and still have people buy it. Nissan made the Juke, and Element has now made the Enduro 12-- which, despite having no personal experience with the Enduro24, reckon it to be the worst thing Element has ever aimed at the consumer. They keep getting worse, they all but refuse to innovate, and unless the Enduro 12 is anything short of a complete and total sales failure, they're going to keep doing it.
I said this when Vanquish discontinued the Phoenix kits: bottom lines over crawling lines. Apparently, that philosophy is infectious.
@@CrawlerCanyon hence my call of BS we must mak!! From the shadows of complacency and no balls we must rise to refute the tyrannously , and obtusely presented ideals and offerings from Horizon !!!!
No offenses meant here, but the vid, although is interesting, is too biased toward pushing the viewer to moving onto the Axial XCS. This (Enduro) crawler is for a beginner/intermediate user, and the info that we seek is lost in the biased comparisons that are presented in the vid. The one point that I was interested in was the short mention of the 2A-BS transmitter that you mentioned as an upgraded version but never went onto detail on such. I have this exact setup, and was looking for support on that, but the entire vid did not address that and just bashed the out-of-the box setup compared to the Axial. By his presentation, I can respect and understand your knowledge in the RC world and equipment involved, but lost interest due to the (What I perceived as a lack of offering) explaining the true differences between what's in the box as opposed to what one receives as they want to use it. The upgraded transmitter is the main thing that I am talking about as FlySky and Associated do not have any info available. If you could readdress the difference or upgrade details in the transmitter, in a separate vid, it would make this vid more complete. Just my non-judgmental opinion here. As I stated, no offenses meant here.
The "updated" 2A-BS included here (a G4P at its core) has dip switches on the controller to adjust functions on the ESC, instead of putting the switches/jumpers on the ESC. So it's a slaved system, done purely as a cost saving measure, as the G4P stands uncontested as my choice for worst RTR radio. It makes me long for a Spektrum DX3, which is a gawdawful radio in it's own right.
It is impossible to compare the Enduro 12 to the UTB18, because they are both aimed at the same exact market segment. The UTB18-- and I'm as surprised as anyone-- does EVERYTHING better than the Element offering. The 2-in-1 is nicer, the transmitter is MUCH better, and the appointments are again, significantly better (the UTB18 has LEDs, serviceable tires, etc). There is absolutely no point in "highlighting" the radio system as Element chose cost savings over all else, and provided the buyer with a woeful radio. The Enduro 12 is NOT anywhere near $200 RTR, because it would take a investment of $100 to make it simply livable. A better estimate is $150 just to take it to the level of a box-stock UTB18. Which is a shame.
This video is, at it's core, not intended to confirm the bias of people who have already bought an Enduro 12. Those people should have researched more first. I'm trying to prevent people from purchasing the Enduro 12 in any of it's guises, as it's an obvious margin-maker for Element (it's a rehashed/revamped Thunder Tiger from several years ago) with zero innovation and the absolute bare minimum of included parts. I would give the Enduro 12 a soft pass were it selling for say... $99.
Even though you shatt all over this truck you actually showed how capable it can be..
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Your review was the most helpfull out of them all.
And again who just leaves rtr trucks stock.
First thing most people do is change the wheels/tires.
I have an old tekin fx-r esc i might try in it and see how it goes.
Those fx-r esc's are butter smooth.
I have another one in my axial dingo build... and i love the low modulation it can achieve.
The axial 1.0 chassis still rocks..
Pun intended.
Thank you 👍
Yep. I don’t like mini 1/10 or nuttin
I have some cheap chinese trail trucks in 1/12. This would play well with those.... because they are equally terrible. This is just another twist of the corporate shrink-flation knife. I'd pay the 300 for Baseline, 60 to 80 for a chinese 1/12, this thing though.... 140 tops. And that's just to get the parts you left in the vehicle. It lacks the scale hardbody of the cheapo chinese stuff, but has a more robust drivetrain. Also, the thing is too big to run alongside the 1/18 scale rigs. So you run it alongside the cheapo 1/12 hardbody scale trucks with interiors, etc. and yeah, it ends up looking like a Walmart managers special. Don't even get me started on the complete waste of money that is the Enduro24.
Honestly, I've never really seen the point of a crawler that's not 1/10 size, at least for myself. Obviously, there are individual exceptions and this isn't a universal truth, and obviously, people are buying this stuff for one reason or another, but in my own experience and speaking in generalities, anything smaller than what's called 1/10 is too small to really have fun with, and anything larger is too large to really have fun with. For the small stuff, especially the 1/24 heap, you basically are gonna be crawling on little homemade courses and flower gardens, which for me, I'd rather be out on the rocks in both -15 or 110 degree weather than indoors crawling on cardboard boxes and plaster. The larger stuff really just isn't challenging on much unless you take it on UTV trails, at which point you'll probably be in everyone's way. As they say, everyone strokes it differently, but for me, 1/10 fits perfectly everywhere I want it to go.
I love 1/18 and 1/24 because I have some good spots near me to run them outside when I can't get to really good 1/10 spots
Youll be ve surprised how well it crawls some of cant afford 300 bucks all st once whrnbu live payday to payday
The Enduro 12 is most disappointing for me because the UTB18 is just outright better at absolutely everything. By a lot. It's not even close. The Enduro 12 is a updated Thunder Tiger from a few years ago (which was never highly regarded,) while the UTB18 is a scaled-down Capra. I thought Element was coming out with something to be competitive. Instead, we got boardroom decisions to increase the margins.
@@CrawlerCanyon the price point is what I like
@@user-ow9zt2tb9d Enduro 12 is $199, no coupons allowed. UTB18 is $249 for the V2, $219 for the V1, and sometimes on sale for $199-- coupons allowed. Plenty of folks have taken a UTB18 home for $180.
Soooo...... You're not happy with this one 🤔 😅😅😅
It belongs on the shelf at Walmart
More and more the big companies, at all scales, market terrible performance as 'trail truck'.
If anybody want to spend 200 bucks on a crawler there are certainly better options out there. 😎
Yep it’s junk