The STRANGEST FAILED BOWL GAME in NCAA HISTORY
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
- In the early 1980s, there was a proposal to bring a bowl game to Charleston, South Carolina, allowing the winner of the Southern Conference to get an automatic bowl invitation. However, for some bizarre reason, the NCAA rejected the proposal, even though everything seemed to be good. This is the breakdown of the Charleston Bowl, otherwise known as the state of South Carolina's failed attempt to bring a bowl game to the state
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NC State declined the 1979 Garden State Bowl because coach Bo Rein was heading to LSU. Rein's tenure in Baton Rouge lasted only 42 days, as he perished in a plane crash late on the evening of 10 January 1980.
That may have just been an excuse. A lot of teams declined the Garden State Bowl during its four years of existence. It didn't pay out much, and who wants to spend December in New Jersey playing outdoors? Unless you were Rutgers (who was good enough to be invited in '78), or a power conference team that was desperate for any bowl and had fans who would go anywhere, it was not an attractive game. It was the "Weedeater Bowl" before there was a Weedeater Bowl. The game was also on Dec. 15 and was in the middle of the exam schedule at NC State.
NC State in 1979 was actually the outright ACC champion, and to this day, old-timer fans of the Wolfpack will tell you how it was unfair that teams they beat were invited to much better bowls--Clemson went to the Peach Bowl in Atlanta and Wake Forest went to the Tangerine Bowl in Orlando. UNC, which finished fifth in the ACC but upset NCSU, got the Gator Bowl. After NC State turned them down, the Garden State Bowl took a 6-5 Cal team instead.
Anyway, it would be easy for me to imagine NC State accepting a bid to a bowl in Charleston that they could have easily sold tickets to and just rode a bus to play in, and they would have heavily favored over 1979 SoCon champ Chattanooga, even with an interim coach.
I had never heard this story before. It's easy to speculate that if the Charleston Bowl had been approved, the SoCon might have remained a 1-A/FBS league all of this time.
Doubt it, at the time every SoCon team was not meeting attendance requirements in football. Though two of the SoCon members at the time of the conference's demotion, Appalachian State and Marshall, would both later return to FBS, both are currently members of the Sun Belt Conference.
wow I did not realize that this was the first ever bowl game in South Carolina. I attended the 1979 Garden State Bowl in person
As a native South Carolinian, I never knew this story or the reason why it took so long to get a bowl game in the state. Thank you for your insight and for teaching me something new today!
Just curious, but when did the NCAA begin penalizing the state (HBCUs notwithstanding) over the Confederate flag on the statehouse lawn? I don't think that was an issue here.
The state’s chapter of the NAACP urged the NCAA not to hold postseason events in South Carolina around the turn of the millennium until the flag came off of the dome of the state house (which happened in 2000 and was moved to a memorial near there). South Carolina and Clemson would host postseason games - most notably in baseball - in the years since then; the flag would be taken off the grounds permanently in 2015.
The NCAA ban started in 2000 and ended in 2015 when the south Carolina government decided to stop flying the flag on the state capitol.
Decades later. In 1979, you couldn't turn your head in some parts of the South and not see a Confederate flag.
@@miked237 someone should have took a dump on that traitors rag then burned it there was nothing worth good about the confederacy nor its evil leaders
No. In all honesty, the Confederate Flag was pretty much a widely accepted "Symbol of the South" in 1979. Nothing more, nothing less.
Fun fact: The SoCon is actually one of the oldest conferences in the country, and was originally bigger than most modern conferences, resulting in a group of teams leaving to start a new conference at two separate points in its history.
The first was in 1933, when Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, Sewanee, Tennessee, Tulane, and Vanderbilt left to form the Southeastern Conference. The second was in 1953, when Clemson, Duke, Maryland, North Carolina, NC State, South Carolina, and Wake Forest left to form the ACC along with former SoCon member Virginia who'd gone independent in 1937.
I'm surprised that they didn't allow them to declare an independent to be the opponent; there was no shortage of independents in the bowl's geographic footprint. Looking at the 1980 team, the list of independents that could be charitably considered to be within their region are, in descending order of record:
Florida State, Miami-FL, Southern Miss, Navy, South Carolina, Virginia Tech, Northeast Louisiana (now ULM), Tulane, North Texas State, West Virginia, Louisville, Richmond, East Carolina, Memphis State, William & Mary, and Georgia Tech. Most of the ones with winning records actually _were_ already taken by existing bowls, but ULM wasn't and neither was UNT (and WVU was 6-6 without a bowl game, which was rare at the time).
In 1981, a 9-2 Miami-FL didn't go to a bowl game and I can find no record of them not being eligible, and a hypothetical bowl tied to a Southern independent also could've had a 7-4 Virginia Tech, a 6-5 Florida State, a 6-5 Tulane, or a 6-6 South Carolina.
1982? 7-3-1 SW Louisiana (what's now ULL), 7-4 ECU, 7-4 Miami-FL, 7-4 Virginia Tech, 6-5 Georgia Tech, 6-5 Navy.
It really doesn't help that South Carolina is surrounded by bigger states like Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Virginia, and even North Carolina.
The same thing happened to Tulsa in the early 1980s. They were a good team coached by future Arizona State and Ohio State coach John Cooper, but being in the lightly regarded Missouri Valley Conference could never get into a bowl.
While yes there is hypocrisy between the Aloha Bowl at-large teams and the SoCon not allowed to have an at-large for their bowl, I get it. Who WOULDN'T want to go to Hawaii? It's almost guaranteed to sell out regardless of teams. A bowl game in South Carolina, even Charleston? Not so much. It's really not that great of a location. And that's before we get into the politics of the time. I can really only see three ways this game sells out: Clemson is invited, The Citadel is invited, or both are invited.
Even North Carolina got a bowl before South Carolina got one! At least Coastal's place got one before FC Cincinnati's place was even in the mix for a bowl game.
The problem with pairing the SoCon with the Missouri Valley Conference for a bowl game is that the MVC was a hybrid conference made up of FBS and FCS teams. At the time they were looked at as a option for this game only NMST Wichita St and Tulsa were FBS which is why the conference did not have a bowl designation. Shortly after this took place NMST left to go independent and the conference then folded in 1985 with Wichita St dropping FB after 1986. That left Tulsa who won the last 5 MVC titles really the only team that could compete in the game.
I also think the writing was on the wall for the SoCon in regards of division classification. Part of me thinks that the NCAA never wanted this bowl to happen simply because they did not think that the SoCon belonged in in 1A/FBS and used this as a reason the drop them down to FCS.
There could have been a bowl game in Charleston?
Yeah the Citadel stadium. If I recall this was before Hugo. This is also the second bowl proposed for SC. The legislature originally proposed a bowl called the Tobacco Bowl to be played in Columbia in the 50s.
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