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Not an English person but with England's talent pool starting Jordan Henderson in the year of our lord 2023 should be a sackable offence in itself. Same for Maguire.
I don’t think Henderson being part of the squad is necessarily bad, probably shouldn’t be starting though I agree. Maguire shouldn’t even be a part of the squad. They have Tomori, White, Guehi, Dunk, Colwill, Stones and Coady. No reason to give Maguire time when they have several young CBs who are their future
@@tmoneytrev9798he’s not there to do magic tricks in the dressing room and have banter they’re there to play same with coady neither of them are in a top league
The thing is maguire has been good in an england shirt, I am not saying the other player’s shouldn’t be given a chance but maguire has warranted his start considering his past england performances
@@dhruvd247 he doesn’t even warrant getting into the squad based on club form and ‘he doesn’t make mistakes for England’ was true about 2 years ago since then he’s made numerous mistakes and played poorly
@@LL-lz6kh the keyword I stressed on is england performances, footballers can make mistakes it’s no guarantee that colwill or any other won’t make them. I don’t agree with playing maguire in these sort of games but at the end of the day the decision is Gareth’s to make and with what he has achieved so far as the gaffer, we have to back his call and trust his decisions on a certain extent and saying maguire doesn’t deserve to be in the squad is harsh imo
Belgium wasted a golden generation grasping onto hopes with one man. England are making that mistake
Tbf Belgium's team has never been the undisputed best national team, even with all the national rankings putting them at no1. France's team was always noticeably ahead in terms of quality. And realistically there had only been 2 knockout competitions that Belgium have been top class for; 2018 WC and the 2021 EUROS
@@samotian0331 2016 Euros? 2014 World Cup? They were full of massive players like Hazard (Chelsea) KDB, Lukaku, Vertonghan, Kompany, Courtois, Mertens, Naingollan, Moussa Demebele, Alderwield etc.
Maybe they weren’t as good as France and Germany are then but we sure as hell aren’t as good as France and Brazil are now. Which is why when this England side is full of amazing talent including one of the greatest English forwards of all time (who’s just hit his 30s) the FA need to replace the guy who gets bullied but the top teams
Trent, foden, Bellingham, Saka, are literally 4 generation talent's right there for starters, . If they were Brazilian or Spanish then these Nations would be building their teams around them and dominating world football.
Spain especially have got some amazing talents. Especially the ones from Barcelona. Pedri, gavi, balde, fati, ferran Torres. Absolute masterclass in terms of possession
The title is a rhetorical question but I'm still gonna say say yes he is
What else is new? It’s been evident for yeeeeaaars.
Don't think that question can be answered until after Euro 2024
It's not a rhetorical question if they ask it to eachother, it's just not intended for you...
@@EthanG298 it was answered after the World Cup what are you on about?
@@dakidbiscuit624getting knocked out to France because one of the best strikers in the world misses a pen? What are you on about
Yes, most the idiots will say he had a good euros and World Cup but fail to look at the draws we had…
And the dross football and inability to attack consistently. Absolute rubbish.
How many Golden genereations has England had??
When Gareth joined England he was like a fan who chose the younger performers over the regulars. Now under pressure with the biggest job he will ever have he’s holding onto his reliables as he’s hanging onto the job
He's already annouced that he's stepping down though has he not? Going for who he knows is going to work together well is just going to tarnish his image even more. If he's stepping down he should be experimental during the qualification stage imo
@@jakep5196 Uh.... Hes done nothing BUT 'experimenting' in every single match of his England managerial career. I cant even name you a time that he started the same XI twice in a row. Can you?
The only reason to change the lineup every single match is to find your best XI. And after several years of constant experimentation, he still hasnt found it.
@@FuckFeminists experimenting is playing Henderson, Phillips and Maguire regularly despite them not being regulars or playing well for club sides? Him rotating the squad isn't the same as him experimenting and flat out dropping the undeserving favourites. Tonight was the first time since game 2 of the world cup that he hasn't played 4-3-3 and we've been playing absolute nobodies. He should be experimenting with formation, Tactics, drop the players who aren't up to it anymore i.e the 3 mentioned above.
England must sack Southgate immediately. There's no further answers about "why England had failed to win every major tournaments". He wasted this golden generation a lot just like Sven in 2000s. There are so many managers who claimed as the best; even Pep Guardiola and the Lionesses coach that won the Euro and reached the Women's World Cup Final were considered as the best options.
I’m fed up with Southgate, awful decision making and awful excuses to back it up. I’ll give him credit for that first World Cup he had because the squad was limited and he did rally the country. But the euros we were lucky to get to the final and he absolutely bottled it against a beatable Italy team. Then picking Maguire and Henderson still and using experience as the excuse… he could have replaced Maguire with Tomori 2 years ago and we wouldn’t be having this “experience” issue. God I hope he doesn’t extend his contract
I see youve been dragged onto the Maguire-hater bandwagon too.
Harry Maguire is statistically Englands best player.
You know what that means? It means you can name any player in the England squad over the last years, and they are worse than he is for England.
Otherwise I agree. Except that Oluwafikayomi Oluwadamilola Tomori - to give him his correct name - is not even English. He is a Canadian-born Nigerian. He shouldnt even be allowed in the squad.
Pretty poor that Scotland barely get a mention lads, 5 from 5 in qualifiers with the best record in Europe. Expected better especially from Dougie who is half Scottish
Our problem in this country is with coaching. Talented players are being wasted because we don't produce managers that can coach a win when the margins are tight.
If England and Italy swapped managers, Mancini would still have that trophy
Zach mentioning pk humble was not on my bingo 🤣🤣🤣
No mention of Scotland at all? Won yet another game and are top of our group having won all our games including Norway and Spain....
Poor from them
they did mention you
England's golden generation retired for a few good years now
My mum could win a tournament with this squad. Gareth should of stuck to Pizza adverts. Having a negative tactician with attack minded, forward thinking players doesn’t work, it has what has screwed Tottenham over in recent years, hence why after 4 games spurs fans already love Ange.
Dang, using spurs and winning stuffs not really good example to be used with england..
@@ritchierich2793 The fact they haven’t won anything is why they are the perfect example to use. The point is they had attacking minded players yet recruited defence biased coaches like Mourinho & Conte. That translates to the current England squad under Southgate.
Southgate seems like really nice bloke. Liked the way he supported players over racism. He is terrible football manager though. No ideas, no plan B and picks players who are not in form.
England has no excuse any more. The talent level and youth is incredible, probably the best it’s ever been including in depth.
Its very definitely nowhere near the best its ever been. Worst, thats a possibility. Think about it. The fewest English players in the domestic league in Englands history, and somehow they have the best and deepest squad ever? Right. And the 21st Century is the century of freedom and peace.
@@FuckFeminists that attempted “metric” made absolutely zero sense, which is unsurprising considering your username.
Being able to quickly change you're team before and during the game and with future games in mind seems to be the way to win the world cup from the last 4 world cups and euros
Tripier could be subbed on at RB when we need to change things as another option. The biggest issue has been playing Sterling and Foden and then not playing to their strengths. Playing to Rashfords with fast transitions bringing him on for the last 10 minutes and then swinging crosses in the box
Add to that we play without a 10 because Kane drops deep but then don't play rashford to fulfil that kane & son-esque partnership that worked so well for spurs then Kate just goes missing all game
The way United ruins these young stars is not mentioned enough. “He could be a good squad player” ABOUT JADON SANCHO. He was bought for 80 odd million.
It's not just United mate, the precious Sky six ruin all great young players
Big clubs ruin this players and then the players get blamed because they “weren’t good enough for United” or whatever big 6 club. As if that’s an actual metric, absolute nonsense.
The complete lack of personal accountability people are giving to players in this thread is funny. Ten hag has done everything he could for sancho and the media blew up a nothing throw away comment and sancho threw a strop and chucked his toys out the pram.
midfielders on the wing is the worst development in football in a while. makes attacking so boring and robotic, just play your 2 best wingers saka and rashford.
you're not that guy southgate.
Could argue grealish instead of rashford
@@Hawkins123 nobody wants to see that meady pass back robot playing for england 💀
Southgate should never been appointed and I wanted him gone since the 2018 World Cup
I swear that was a fart at 0:52?!
1:05 it’s good to see you guys getting out of your football bubbles.
James Ward Prowse would’ve unlocked that attack from midfield so easily. Real shame that Henderson is being picked over him
no i rate jwp but he is overhyped at this point. Cant fit into any top six club as most of his contributions and g/a is through set pieces (why his balling out for west ham)
You don't even have to include JwP (Though he deserves to be there over Henderson and even Kalvin Phillips who has barely played so far this season). You just don't stick Maddison out on left wing. You play him where he actually plays and you put Rashord/Foden on the wing. Absolutely baffling thought process from Southgate
@@daarsenalcommenter4600well he’s better than amarbat lavi sarr joelinton longstaff etc and more exciting than kovavic who is boring
@@user-bq2tc6dh6tKovacic is not boring. He's a very intelligent player and he's one of the best dribbler for among CM
@@user-bq2tc6dh6t you can't really compare him to amrabat easily as he hasn't even played yet. But statistically amrabat was one of the best in Europe last season for fiorentina playing a Rodri sort of role and ranked top for all long passing metrics as well high for many other stats and then we all saw how he played as more of a destroyer for morocco. JWP is more an 8 and outside of set pieces has never really stood out in anything.
Germany does have really good fullbacks. Henrichs and Raum.
From a scotland perspective, we have no need to fear you right now. England will probably win tomorrow but you have a game on your hands. But on a more important level long may Southgate remain in charge of this England side. The most talented squad in the world possibly with a totally dull and useless manager you’ll win nothing.
You are right...we should easily beat youse if we utilised our talent properly. However I can see the game being a draw, we pass with no purpose, no point in having possession if you pass across the back line for most of it.
Remember when southgate didn’t call up Balogun because he preferred the players with premier league experience and playing time? This same guy is playing Henderson and maguire. Henderson who left in the summer and was quite poor last season and maguire who hasn’t played any real football in months. Yeah southgate isn’t winning anything with this golden generation.
bro dont you know that saudi pro league > ligue 1?
walking contradiction
0:52 seconds in...that had to be a fart and Joe saying...Getting blown away....come on lads own up...who was it? 🤣
I've liked southgate for a while but i'm struggling at this point tp continue to defend his squad and team selection
I was a defender of Southgate for a long time & I still think a lot of the criticism he received was unwarranted. However, he should have left after the World Cup. He's clearly taken England as far as he can. He's made some positive changes, but fresh ideas are needed to take us to the next level.
That being said, there's no point sacking him now & just getting anyone in to replace him. Especially if you can get a better replacement next summer. We need to get the right person in for the next World Cup & Euros, not just anyone who happens to be better than Southgate.
The obvious choice is potter but I don't think it's right as you don't have enough time to coach them on a complicated way of playing.
For Germany it feels like there's a lot of issues going on - the defense isn't set, there's a lot of young attacking mid talent that doesn't have a role yet, no clear no.9 etc
Now, if I had that job with the current squad, I'd probably play 433, with Emre Can starting at LB pushing up into midfield alongside Kimmich at 6, allowing Gundogan and Wiryz to join the attacking line (very Man City) of Musiala/Brandt, Havertz & Sane/Gnabry. That gives a solid defense (back 3 of Schlotterbeck, Superman & Thiaw at notional RB) a midfield thst can control and a mobile attack - Havertz isn't a goalscoring 9 but his height and a bility to drop off should fashion chances for the rest.
Picks his best mates without fail. For that reason Southgate will NEVER win anything.
No such thing as too much team talk! Keep them coming
Is that even a question? It's an absolute yes. No way he's capable of master tactics.
Audio is so low for these vids....always needs to be max volume on whatever device Im using
That doesn’t make any sense haalands not a great striker cause his all round game yet Jesus isn’t a striker cause his all round game is better
I think that's a perfect of example of just because someone played, doesn't necessarily mean they know what they're talking about😂
Joe there is no chance that Ten Hag puts Garnacho right wing.
Three fantastic presenters here. Well done lads
Didn’t even talk about Japan
We are still here are we?? Like as soon as southprat didnt pick titlte winning tomori from the last campaign, i knew Southgate was already on expiration date.. the real question here, whose going to come in and take this England squad into the next level?? Potter stock got zapped by his Chelsea stint.. But whose the most realistically chances out there thats going to take England up another level?
England had perhaps the best coach on the planet in Brian Kidd from Manchester. The FA failed to give him the job, and now hes probably too old. So thats it really.
Sweepstake- who among the Football Daily bunch will wear the last pair of shorts for the season on a video?
Dougie not being at a wedding at the weekend is new
Englands international team always be making me laugh, how is this team not performing LMAO
Am I missing something with Germany? Joe said having Fullkrug as the starter is awful, but if they don’t have any better strikers what are they meant to do? Not exactly their fault
So if the only starter for the Netherlands at 9 was weghorst that wouldn't be a problem and it'd be fine? See how it makes no sense
@@mitchellbrough1615 I do get that but my point is that it has to be fine because there’s literally no other choice
@@ethanwaring2435 if they have no other strikers coming through that that points to poor development of their talents so no it isn't because it points to a much bigger problem.
Did Joe say that he can't imagine a world where Rashford doesn't start for England?? Respectfully he's our 4th best player in that position
On the left? Who are you rating above him out of interest?
@@jakep5196 personally I'd rather play one of Foden, Grealish, or Sterling over him
@@jakep5196 if we assume Saka is starting on the right
@@krakenbluejjcz Saka nailed on RW imo and I'd rather Foden on the right as his back up. I'd argue Sterling's spot above Rashford on that list as he just hasn't been the player he was at city since he left imo. Personally Rashford is a bigger threat than all 3, although he's arguably the weakest playmaker out of the lot and dribbler bar maybe Sterling, but all of them are better at aspects of the game than the others so I suppose it depends on what you're looking for from the lw but I'd say he's the best goal scorer from that position. And with a combination of Saka, Foden and maybe Sancho if he ever finds form again on the right all beng more in the playmaker mould than goal scorer role I think we'd be better having an inside forward on the left i.e Rashford. Sterling, Grealish nor Foden can't play that inside forward role better than Rashford imo.
I really think Rashford is so overrated . He's fast and has a great strike... and that's about it as far as i can see at least.
Put some respect on Scotland's name Dougie 🥲
As long as southgate is there it will never be the golden generation
One can't get tired of quality content, so bring on the Team Talk! 😅
When is stat wars coming back??
PK Humble is too good. Shame that Brooksey and J7 left
Enjoyable episode despite epl absence!
no way Germany goes for Glasner. It's like a scot taking over the england job :D
Musiala was injured
It is wild about Gabriel Jesus! People forget he was at City with one of the worlds best in Sergio, he is a good striker and I would say B at the very worse.
We dont give a shit about them. They dont play for England.
I'm not English but I'll say the following: Southgate has done a fine job taking England this far. He has galvanized the team, pulled them together and created a sense of belonging and self to a national team that lacked it before him. That work is commendable. But he is not the one that will take England further. He is too static, too slow to change, too conservative. He lacks the decisiveness, the daring attitude, the traits required to train a team into World Champions. And that is what England's aim should be with this crop of players they got.
It’s crazy Germany haven’t had a reliable goal scorer upfront since Miroslav Klose
He was even one of the World Cup legends, being the tournament's goalscorer overall with 16 goals! That's 2 more than Gerd Muller!
People underate good vibes managers
YES. The end.
(1) Drawing with a war-torn country national team: Southgate should stay; (2) Germany lost to a strong team on a friendly: humiliating. Come on, lads, you are full of crap…
Could Southgate just rip off Pep/Artera and play a 3223? We have the players to do it. Or is he just not brave enough?
🏴 I think southgate is doing a great job.
Come on Scotland
Half an hour not enough lads !
Darwin in c..😮😮 lol
how did dougie not go to a wedding?
It's gotten to the point where it angers me that every manager Kai Havertz has starts him every time. He has been so ass for the last 2-3 years. Do not understand what he brings to any team
If this generation don’t win a Euros or a World Cup. Will it be as bad or worse as the last “golden generation” not winning anything?
on paper they are the second best team in the world so you would hope they challenge at minimum.
Haaland is a poacher not a striker
I mean any team with Harry Maguire in it is ruined anyway I mean watching him last night score an own goal against Scotland I mean well done time to end your international career why does Southgate keep faith in him.
Djellab is spot on here, Sancho needs to at least be on the bench as a rotation option, especially considering he could play as a sub for Rashford, Bruno, or Garnacho/Pellistri/Mount on that right wing.
Southgate did brilliant his first world cup but is living of that ever since.
He didn't do brilliant...we got beat by Croatia the only team who had a chance in beating us did in the knockout stages. We were also 1-0 and still fumbled it, Southgate doesn't have a clue about in game management.
Yes
Ey I didn't know my man Joe liked the ruggers. Like him even more.
Plays safe, won't take risk. Mediocre at best. With the pool of talent at his disposal he should have been sacked before now but you know what, English FA's arrogance wont let then look at foreign coaches. 😃😃😃
There’s only two left wingers in the world I’m taking comfortably over Martinelli (Mbappe and Vini). Mitoma, Rashford and Kvara, I’ll argue but no one else
where's why ur wrong
Can't stand the Maguire constant bashing. Does Colwill have the experience? No!
Im so tired of all these united players and their situations/antics/ egos. Cant have one year where some bozo doesn't have a major conflict with the manager/club.
People going crazy after one draw. We've got 13pts of a possible 15pts and are in some of the best form in Europe with only Portugal having scored more. People need to calm down.
people aren't going crazy over the result. they are going crazy over why is happened. do you get the difference or nah?
Banging shirt from dougie
Southgate out
The shortest Monday vibes in the history of FD 😂
It’s the international break clown
It's incredible that England could have a line up with Rashford, Kane, Saka, Bellingham, Rice, Foden/Maddison, Walker etc and we get a starting line up of Henderson, Maguire, Chilwell and Bellingham on the left wing 😂😂
Chilwell is easily englands best left back
@@callumclancy3512 He was pretty rubbish against the Ukraine... nowhere near as bad as Bellingham of course. But then, no one is.
@callumclancy3512 no he isn't.
Can't play Maddison and Bellingham aside each other. They'd give up free space in the middle of the park routinely, and England can't keep the ball.
Man utd analyst's are all hypocrites by not critising Anthony the same way they jumped on Greenwood and not ashamed that they waited for Brazil to drop him before Man utd suspended him and the Man utd analyst here just refuse to talk about it when it came up apparently his moral compass is awry absolutely disgusting and a disgrace
Not defending anyone here, but Greenwood's girlfriend that he was accused of raping and beating by her is back together with him and is pregnant with their kid, not saying he didn't do what he was accused of my intuition says he did as it does with Antony, but like how do you ever actually know, and Greenwood's girlfriend now maybe even fiance, has just disillusioned me so much to these famous sexual assault allegations. With my friends who are girls it's so easy to talk with and believe them and help them out, but with these cases where you don't know any of the details or the people involved it is much more difficult.
Ruined*
England selection is a joke, play of form it’s that simple!! 4-2-3-1 obvious choice for the crop of players. GK (can go any) Walker, Stones, Tomori, Chiwell, Rice, Bellingham, Saka, Maddison, Rashford & Kane!
I'd argue Dunk has nailed himself as a starter until Tomori takes the chance, James over Walker. Think of the players missing from that starting line-up: Foden, Sterling, Mount, Eze, Wilson, Toney, Grealish, Abraham, Watkins, Barnes, March, SHaw, JWP, Trent, James, Trippier, Shaw. Our squad is the best it's ever been in terms of overall depth and talent.
@@byebrows9698 I agree quality all over, Dunk shout well deserved he’s been class, tomori deserves a chance just doesn’t get it cause he plays in Italy. Reece James is too injury prone hasn’t really played consistently throughout a season for a while.
I mean the only mistake Southgate made was starting Henderson and not starting a LW to allow Maddison to play centrally
Agree, I would have tried a different CB instead of Maguire, just to give them a chance, I can’t see him being first choice come the Euros so it seems a bit of a waste. However, Maddison LW and Henderson starting seems like he was trying to make some sort of obscure point. Very bizarre choice.
it's that he lacks the tactical nouse to field these players to the best of their potential right. garage of ferrari's but he doesn't know how to drive anything faster than a fiat.
The reason he played henderson is so that he could protect maguire
Sterling and Saka should be Englands wingers
Sadly I think it is English fans who are over blowing England’s chances with their expectations. They look at the players playing in the Premier league and think they should be world beating. But they are surrounded by other world class players which make up their technical and tactical deficiencies.
England’s Mens’ senior team have only ever won one major tournament and that was 58 years ago when all the matches were played at Wembley. It can’t just be the manager that all the subsequent generations have failed to win one. And it can’t just be down to the manager. Even when they did reach a final it was again at Wembley and they produced one shot on target the whole 120m of football. Just not good enough.
I think it may be until 2028 that England will have their best chance of winning the euros. We’ve yet to even get to a final of a WC or Euros when played overseas. And even then we’ll need to learn the mistakes of the Euro 2020 (1) final.
Based on 1966 England need - a great manager, a great team and the final to be played at Wembley to win one. And even then we need to produce much better football than we did back in 2021.
The distribution from Pickford, and the slow centre backs and not playing through midfield is obvious - instead passing to full backs to get around teams. Kane dropping too deep to pick up the ball is indicative that England aren’t getting the ball to front 3.
Otherwise we’ll repeat the same formula of blaming individual players and the manager when England inevitably fail at a major tournament.
Solid at the back Maguire littersly was marking his own team instead of the attackers 😂😂😂
Cheers Zac for ruining my weekly hashtag United fix :( 😢
Klopp is perfect for Germany hes a great tournament manager. The players will respect him and he knows what to do to increase morale. Honestly they should try Joachim Low again for the Euros then try and get Klopp in 2025 to properly plan for the WC
It feels like southgate has lost what gave him his original luster and appeal. This needs to be sorted out you need to refresh and rejuvenate the team periodically
That’s always the case with national team managers though. But Southgate is terrible and was the wrong appointment from the start.
Didn't realize Southgate was in charge of England in 2006
I understand this is a Euro-centric show, however it would be nice to give some consideration to discussing teams from other continents, especially when discussing head-to-heads like Japan v Germany. Japan's performance was barely mentioned, and this is consistent with most coverage on FD regarding international football. The sport does transcend Europe, despite the "skill-gap", a little bit more attention could be placed on other countries when games are brought up involving non-euro teams.
Guys, did you not see Foden against Newcastle ? VERY few players in the world could play in the way he did that night . It has to be Rice, Bellingham , Foden . It seems so obvious . On the left, Rashford was talked about as possibly the most in-form player in the world when he was scoring worldies every other week and 29 goals last season . Has to be front six of Rice, Bellingham , Foden , Rashord, Saka Kane . In no world , Bellingham having plenty of experience as an Eight, do we have two of either Foden Rashford or Maddison sat on the bench and Henderson who desint even have the 'legs' he once had, playing ahead of them . Nice guy Gareth but he is overthinking this. If we wish to be the best team in the world, we have to have a coach who stops being so negative
Maguire makes coaches get sacks😂
Do you do anything BUT jump on the hater bandwagon against Maguire?
Youre the sort of person who would pick up the machete in Rwanda. I know you dont get that reference, but if you start being curious about reality, maybe youll start thinking for yourself, instead of joining the bullies out of pure impotence.
Ladies and gentlemen record the date. Dougie was not at a wedding this weekend
Brazilian football fans also really don't like Gabriel Jesus, and I have no idea why