Does Gareth Southgate to Manchester United actually make sense?
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
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After a historically poor season and with new leadership in charge, many fans might be wondering if Erik ten Hag’s time has come to an end.
If so, one of the interesting names that has emerged in this hypothetical scenario is England’s very own Gareth Southgate.
Famous for turning a toxic England team into a lovable bunch and reaching the Euro 2020 Final, is Southgate the right man for a new era at Manchester United?
#manchesterunited #premierleague #england
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:12 David Ornstein on Southgate
01:05 Why Southgate?
07:27 International vs Domestic Football
08:57 Tactically Concerning?
11:53 Expectations for Manchester United Football Club
15:56 Can Southgate make the jump?
17:43 Should Kobbie Mainoo start in Euro 2024?
22:56 Dan Ashworth
26:04 What about Thomas Frank?
29:01 Does Gareth Southgate make sense?
30:24 One last bit of news from David Ornstein
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i love Southgate mann..his ability to make player like jude and foden seems average is incredibly impressive
I put it down to the darts 🎯
So you're saying he could beat Real Madrid and City?
Saka and Kane manage, maybe they should improve themselves?
@@Gafgarion852I think you miss the banter here mate.
@@shuraamano no, it was also banter.
Considering how Man Utd are in their banter era, it absolutely makes sense. The memes we will get from Antony x Southgate will be legendary!
if we wanna continue our banter era southgate is perfect
So based on my primary metric for football decision-making, "how funny would this be?", this scores pretty high.
As such they should totally do it.
without Southgate
England will never go to the Euro final
@@1607Adi_Manzwithout Southgate they probably would’ve beaten Italy 😭
@@1607Adi_Manz With Southgate they lost a final at 1-0 by making 0 substitutions when we looked worse & worse for 25 minutes. He gets the credit for getting us there along with the blame for sabotaging the final by only making substitutions after we conceded & only bringing Grealish on in extra time.
Every fan group aside from United wants this to happen... Which is a pretty good indicator that it's a terrible idea
Tbh, either way they go, I won't mind if they hire Southgate or stick with ETH 😂
That’s like a handful of Arsenal fans saying they see nothing in ETH and that Ange should leave Spurs foe their lack of desire. Sacking them will clearly set both teams back two years at least, giving Arsenal at least a year to challenge Man City now that Klopp’s gone
@@juanignaciojimenez1986 he is going to get sacked and it won’t set the club back, it’s necessary in order for the club to move forward. He is not the right person for this rebuild for multiple reasons and he won’t accept the much lower amount of control he’d have to accept in order to keep the job.
@@juanignaciojimenez1986 unless you think that playing a 6 man high press coupled with a low block so no midfield, causing United to have the second highest shots conceded in the league after Sheffield United has impressed the new owners? Or the fact that uniteds expected points in the league was only 40, relegation zone numbers if we didn’t get lucky with individual moments against the odds? You can’t blame injuries either because the fact that there have been injuries has been a reason to set the team up differently, more compact rather than watching teams run through us every week. He was criticised at Ajax for this tactic as well. Glad we won the FA cup though, coincidentally one of the only times he’s binned the usual tactic and actually had bodies in midfield.
@@juanignaciojimenez1986 he currently has a veto in transfers, also gets a say in transfer fees, plans the training sessions (injuries) and more. All things that other top clubs leave for the structure not the manager. If he can let this go (which he won’t, he asked for more control at Ajax and asked for this control at United) then he might be offered the job but it’s more than likely Ineos will bring their own person in now like they have done with every other position. We have regressed this season and there’s nothing to say that with ten hag we won’t regress even more next season so it’s more risky to keep him.
At least with the new structure if we have to sack a manager we won’t be starting again since the structure training style of play transfers etc will be decided by the club like at most of the other European powerhouses
What in the hell is the media talking about? We have Ten Hag - a championship winning manager who’s given us a top 4, a Carabao Cup, and two FA Cup finals. And because we’ve had a poor season (due to having more injuries than the rest of the league) we are supposed to sack him and replace him with… Garreth Southgate?
They make more money when Utd stays a banter team. More bad news, more clicks. Ten Hag fighting them and subliminally throwing shade at them is one of the few redeeming qualities Ten Hag still has!
They literally mentioned a whole section in the video how he's the media darling lmaoo so I'm not surprised
Still baffles me how Southgate is even a candidate. Hasn’t managed a club since 2009 and has never crossed the line into winning a major trophy like we’re aiming for at United.
The whole aspect of him brining the England camp together and making them hold hands is cute but Graham Potter is also famous for that. He has a Masters in social science and I’ve heard is quite adept at unifying players. Plus he’s achieved more with Brighton, has progressive tactics and is actually relevant at club level. He’s even younger too.
Would much rather Potter over Southgate. Better yet, I’d much rather fold the club than let Southgate be in charge of United.
Did Potter to Chelsea not happen in your timeline?
He's also WOKE, he'd make a fantastic Dr Who.
@@ArrigoSacchi87 Guess you don't understand the concept pf either or then do you?
@@ArrigoSacchi87 Honestly not really he managed for like half a season
@@henrybauze2932 Compared to someone who hasn’t managed at club level since 2009????
According to Rooney on The Overlap, HE told Southgate not to pick him anymore, Southgate didn't drop him.
Of course he'll say that. Gotta save face
“Nah she ain’t break up with me I just told her we need a bit of time apart”
Was this after Southgate banned pork pies from the England dressing room?
As a Chelsea fan, I would love to see Southgate at Manchester United. It makes perfect sense.
Southgate counterattack will easily demolish Chelsea defend especially without Silva next season
They should hire graham potter, spend 500m, then sack him just as he starts improving the team. Then, spend another 500 million on wingers. They might be able to finish 7th!
Of course you would say that 😭
*evil laugh*
Exactly. In the same way I'd love to see Cole Palmer leave Chelsea.
I hate the detoxifying argument for Southgate.
I mean we had Ole as a manager who basically did this and then after a year it got even messier as Ole was a pushover and the same thing will happen with Southgate.
it is man united lmao. Have some perspective
It's a nicey-nice middleclass observation, as with most of the Athletic insights.
oles a billion times better manager
Ole's Man United >>>> Ten Hag's Man United.
Don't think the media will be on Southgate's side when they're parking the bus at home next year against West Ham or Crystal Palace
Ratcliffe says he wants Man United to play attacking football, why Southgate?
because Southgate pragmatism work brilliantly against tactical elite like Guardiola and Arteta
@@1607Adi_ManzBrother stop twerking for southgate under every comment no one wants him at United.
@@isaaccc726😭😭😭
@@isaaccc726but the rest of the world wants to see him at United. Why would you deny the world their happiness?
When did he say that?
They really want eth sack. As united fan we back him I think giving eth more time is the right thing to do.
REAL United fans want Southgate. He is totally clueless as an EPL manager and would thus perfectly fit the Man Utd playing style.
As an Arsenal fan… yes
same arsenal player missed an important penalty for Southgate
@@1607Adi_ManzForgotten about Rashford and Sancho’s contributions in that shootout, how convenient
whats this agenda of trying to find southgate a job? i wouldnt give him the job of running a sunday league team.
HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE IF HE ENDS UP AT UNITED
Southgate will bring hell upon opposition teams
his pragmatic approach works well in brute force league like epl
@@1607Adi_Manz😂😂😂😂😂if u think it’s bad now under ten hairs I CANT WAIT til you lot get soutgate
Honestly I hope he stays at the national team... cause I really don´t wanna face England unless that dummie is on the bench.
Hell would be a world with a good United no?
No it won't. Old Trafford will still be sold out. Folks protested then walked right into Old Trafford to give Glazers even more money.
This would be comedy gold. Please make this happen.
Point of correction. Mainoo is 6ft. He recently revealed that in a club interview. He was confused as to why everyone thinks he is 5'9.
Point of correction, no way he’s 6ft.
“We wouldn’t know how Southgate would perform in the league?”
I mean if only he’d managed at club level in the past so we could see what happens…
Whilst I doubt too much, it’s certain he has evolved somewhat from what he was like in 2009, not to mention football evolving as a whole with pep in the prem
How is this video 30 minutes long? 😭
Reskinned tifo football podcast
Tifo really went down after Alex left. Now after rebrand it’s just click bait nonsense
Just needs to be a CZcams short. Southgate is the right man for the job
Mainoo is NOT 5'9 fellas, he literally just came out publicly and strongly to refute this, this very week, poor guy will never beat the short allegations at this rate LOL
Player stats on google says 175cm - which is 5’9”
@@elingrome5853 Well, he himself from his own mouth with his own words on camera last week said he is not 5'9, he said he is 6'0 and it's annoying that everyone thinks he's 5'9 because the stuff on google and EAFC is wrong. I think we should believe Kobbie himself over google tbh.
The day I learned google can be wrong changed my view on everything. They can be bought and Influenced like anything else. Always question things and use critical thinking @@elingrome5853
You do know the answer, Mr. Divine. Everyone does.
Southgate wouldn't get the Burnley job let alone the United one.
Ruthless Southgate retired Rooney??? Rooney asked Southgate not to play him! Southgate simply cant manage United. He will fail, spectacularly.
Didnt rooney just say on 'The Overlap' that he went to Gareth first to discuss not being picked because he wasnt playing at united ?
Yeah he did.
Doesn’t fit the narrative, that… what narrative? That Southgate is somehow a good international manager that has England playing like killers. He’s not and they aren’t (we’ll see what happens this summer)…
@@davidgriffith1552done better than anyone else with worse players! Imagine he had Terry,Rio,Rooney, Scholes,Gerrard, Lampard,Owen,Cole and not Maguire,saka Grealishetc 😂 England players aren't as good as people think and we lost tournament coz players couldn't score a penalty
This is rubbish. They said it themselves that international football is so different than club football, which Southagate is not proven. With all the culture reset topic, again they said it themselves that Dan Ashworth was there before Southgate. So the key is not Southgate, but it's Dan Asworth.
As a Liverpool fan I can not see a better manager to drag man United back to winning ways. South gate is the second coming of sir Alex pep Mourinho and jurgen all in 1 person
I am also torn as a Liverpool fan though. As jealous as I am about it, I do see Erik Ten Hag as a cross between Cruyff and Ancelotti
Amen. He is better than Busby so MUST be made manager
He'd be a joke of an appointment.
How that man makes Saka, Foden, Rice, Bellingham look bang average is criminal.
England have one of, if not the, best squad in international football but you'd never know it under Southgate.
I'm Scottish and EVEN I'M fed up of Southgate 😂
Welsh and Scottish fans want to shoot him because they would kill to have the national team England have. Seeing Southgate handle that much talent and ruin it is funny at first if you hate England but, over time, you're like, "Okay, seriously, get it together, mate. It's not funny anymore". Few months later, you start daydreaming about very terrible, frightening ways of fixing the problem for them! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@manniking233i just start imagining the team Ireland would have if half their players chose to represent us instead
Are you sure?
😂😂😂
I would love to see united get buried deeper and what this england team can do with a real manager, so sounds great
Are people still pretending this media made bollocks is a thing?
What a waste of your time.
I like it when either Jon or JJ drops the pen, funny surprise faces all around 😂
This is the most diabolical, stupid and media generated take I have ever seen on Manchester United.
No one wants this, and everyone can see it’s a terrible idea.
Personally I can only stand watching Southgate Terror-Ball once ever couple of years.
I actually think Southgate to Man City makes sense! Pep's team has dropped off this season, which suggests that a cultural reboot is required!!
Or, Chelsea should employ Southgate, who is very good with a young team.
And Mainoo should not be selected for the England team.
Yes, I am a non-English United fan lol...
3:30
JJB: Southgate was made permanent, or he was made the permanent manager I should say, because he was real before then
JD: he was permanent already
JJB: he was already there
JD: well in a sense we are all temporary
JJB: in a way, that’s true actually
No other double act in football coverage can do what these guys do when they’re together 😂
"A couple of very boring teams have won a couple of tournaments" is such an amazing insight.
"Toxicity" is only an issue when you aren't winning. If Ten Haag was getting results, it would all be rosy.
The "graphic" is probably the most "I made a powerpoint slide for work" I have ever seen.
Southgate is an outstanding manager. He did brilliantly to relegate Boro, and hopefully, he does the same with Man Utd.
Rooney said in the interview with Andy Cole on the Overlap like 3 days ago that he withdrew himself from the England side because he saw all these younger player who needed a shot at international football. Southgate did not make the decision to drop him!
He did drop him and then Rooney retired
Damn JJ ... Say my name with that shirt 😂
I think 100% of all other teams fans wants Sourhgate join Ineos forever 🎉 but also Ten Hag would be enough to keep Manchester United down. By the way...a good work, mates. Gareth will surely appreciate your efforts!
I love how 7:11 joe looks so proud of JJ
According to Rooney he told Southgate to not pick him because he wasn't a starter at utd. It didn't make sense that he would captain England while unable to break into the starting 11 at club level. It wasn't a ruthless/authoritative decision by Southgate 😂
This is my favourite series on youtube right now
Southgate works better in International tournaments. He’s a kinetic manager, similar to Ole. He lacks in actual tactics. He succeeds going further in tournaments where all the teams haven’t had years of playing and training together week in week out. Whenever he comes up against proper tactics and better coached team, he crumbles. He wouldn’t get as far in a long season across multiple comps over 60+ games.
if the Glazer want united to play Bristol City, Hull City and Portsmouth in 2025 then getting Southgate will be a great idea
I wish it happens just for the banter 😂
I like how they are basically saying international football is terrible and all managers do is sit deep and wait until pens. Terrible product to watch. If you are trying to convince non football fans to watch the sport don’t let them watch international games
its a good way to get man utd relegated if that is what the glazers want.
stop downplayed Southgate achievement with England
euro final ? wc semi ?
@@1607Adi_ManzAnd absolutely bottled both games from poor in game management, only ever won against teams we should of. Check he's record against the top ten national it's something like 16%
@@1607Adi_Manz easy run to knockouts and losing to the first competent team they play
Why was he never mentioned for Liverpool?
because Liverpool already have Arne Slot
I mean before they signed Slot@@1607Adi_Manz
@@1607Adi_Manzbefore that, obviously.
As an Arsenal fan I approve of Southgate to Yanited.
😂
I really do think they know how awful he is but pretending he is some world class manager
The clue is in his name as to where United would end up
Mainoo is six foot. There's literally a video of him saying so. Come on people.
For Villa to go from Championship to Champions league we spent a shed load of cash, had a lot of luck (a disallowed goal, the covid break etc) and three managers to address different problems at different times.
1. Bruce to steady the ship and sort out the culture.
2. Smith to get us promoted and stay up (just)
3. Emery to get us playing to a higher level
Southgate could be Man Utd's Bruce.
this is a classic clickbait video that I had gotten used to not getting at TIFO. do better guys
This is ridiculous, how can any credible news reporter like the athletic even post this lol
because it's already confirmed
also Southgate's pragmatism approach suit with united playstyle
Why are you lying? Or are you sir Jim?
It's really hard to english fans to acknowledge that he's a good manager isn't it
@@hyywe240 perhaps because he is not?
@@hyywe240 I think united fans are against changing managers every 2yrs. Not necessarily against Southgate
No
explain
@@1607Adi_Manz No
@@conncgreat explanation 👍
Yes. Then maybe England will actually win something.
I can save everyone 30 minutes, by saying no.
Rooney has said on The Overlap that he told Southgate not to call him up because he didn't think he was good enough anymore, so I don't think you can call it a brave decision from Southgate..
The list of managers having Jose Mourinho on it? *chef's kiss*
mainoo is not 175cm, he said himself hes 6ft
Yes he is much younger than 175
There's no way the fans would allow that to happen. INEOS would lose all their credibility and support if they hired Southgate as manager
INEOS own the club and don't care about the fans. Ratcliffe had a season ticket for Chelsea. The Rat will drag us straight to hell and won't even blink. He doesn't love the club and he has the power to ruin us and all we can do is watch!
Make a video on the final!!!
Imagine if this was done in some sort of podcast format?
This is a comment section that reaffirm s my faith in humanity 😇😇
The Answer is No... we don't do waist coats and sparkling water in manchester, just no.
And yet you lot are comfortable with the annual 4- 0 loss???? Grow up mate.
can you do a video on why teams are going for younger managers?
I've just forget, that this was Tifo IRL channel 😂
For the sheer comedy value😂
He's a perfect fit for Manchester United. Will take them in the right direction, towards relegation....
Mainoo is not small. He’s 6 foot tall. Look at any picture of him with Maguire. He confirmed it himself a couple days ago as well
Google says 5’9” ?
@@elingrome5853 yeah it's an outdated measurement
Great video as always, but I just wanna clear up that Real Madrid are on track for 97 points (which is crazy), so I don’t think they’re doing well because Barcelona dropped off. An amazing league performance this year
No. No and NO. It won't happen. Give it a rest.
explain why ? he brought england to the euro final and the wc semi
@@1607Adi_Manz he hasnt managed a club since 2008 n got dat team relegated
@1607Adi_Manz and bottled it with a team that should have won it. His performance against the top 10 international teams is pretty woeful, despite having a stronger team.
Do you not think Southgate will play Alexander-Arnold in midfield?
Them having Rashford, Maguire and Shaw and Southgate being able to get a tune out of them has to be a factor in this but I can't see it personally
I hope he goes to Man U. Him leaving the English team and finally giving all those talented players a chance at international success would be a blessing, he clearly has not been up to the task. This may sound negative, I genuinely like Southgate, I just think he’s proved inept at bringing success for the national team so let someone else have a go.
Can we get an analysis report of why Bayer Leverkusen always seem to score in the stoppage time ? They scored in 16/17 matches out of 50
That will be the funniest thing ever tbh lol
Need that Mourinho to Turkey video
Southgate managing a club with no future at the top makes perfect sense.
Do a video explaining what does it take to win the premiere League in this City era, both Liverpool and Arsenal couldn't do it despite having outstanding seasons
There are pretty much only two things United fans are on:
1. No to the Glazers
2. No to Southgate
videos where good when it was TIFO IRL not Athletic FC these podcast videos
Shoutout to that list of managers by gates....and Jose Mourinho XD
I would put Cole in the number 10 role as a second striker (with mainoo as his backup), belligham in advanced 8, and rice defensive 8
Mainoo isn’t actually 5’9 though, if you look at him next to other players who we know are fairly tall, he’s not that much shorter than them
He’s grown a fair bit in the last couple of years, I think that metric is outdated
That’s not what transfermark etc say… can’t blame peeps for going on the data provided… I’ve seen pics where he doesn’t look much bigger than garnacho 🤷♂️
Why not Trent as the 3rd midfielder? Have him drift wider in late build up and have sake drift in?
Sounds like he’d be a better Sporting Director than club manager
I can guarantee you, no one feels more attached to England cos of Southgate. Those who care now, cared before 😂😂
Why did that ginger kid say Mainoo was 5'9 lol hes 6ft?
does it make sense that they say they want everything best in class to end up hiring southgate as manager?? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sorry but Gaz was an average club coach at best. Got Boro relegated. He's found his niche at international level.
Gary O Neil is a much better choice
*Answer to the question:*
NO.
Gareth Southgate does NOT makes sense at the MUFC.
They should bring Tuchel and let him work.
Or Luis Enrique if he truly leaves PSG, then just sign him for years and open the wallet; and watch the trophies come.
Why so Tuchel can be there for 3 years and fall out with everyone including the janitors?
Southgate pragmatism will work better with current and upcoming United players
don't forget he also bring England to the Euro final and the WC semi
Ah yes tuchel fresh from failing to make a team play that's much better than United or Luis Enrique who played a 424 away to Newcastle in champions league tactical genius lol
My problem with Tuchel is that he seems to be a Cup coach. He never does well in leagues, idk why. Even with good teams .
@@arjanmakaj-singh5318start first with a cup then focus on league
There are so many easy games in international football. Southgate will not get so many easy games at a club.
Pretty cool to find a Belair Lip Bombs shirt in the wild
Love listening to Jack Pitt brook! So glad he reports on spurs!!!
15:40, right Jon, because Pep Guardiola was going to win titles with Napoli and Everton
And mind you, the point you were making was challenging for the title, he did that at every club he's been at besides those two
United should totally do it. Can't wait to see Neville and co deciding playing 11 in sky studios
Did JJ say apropos of Man United? TIFO so intellectual these days! Great to see you all together. Hopefully it's not as temporary as Joe believes all things in life are.
Rooney openly talks about how he had to convince GS to stop selecting him. Better Research Expected from Tifo bois
If you want to turn Utd into the most boring risk averse team in the prem then Southgate would be ideal.
Small matter that Southgate has a job and currently there is a Manchester United manager
Silly question but it was an enjoyable video nonetheless.
As someone who doesn't like Man United I think they should go for it.