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You are ADHD, I imagine that the counting is more guessing where you are, because that little thought entered your head. I have found that I do better if I time my pushups and not worry about how many I do, but how long I do them. The first go around both count out loud and get a time that it took you to do, then always be working towards an extra minute.
I’ve been an aviation mechanic and a home remodeler for the last 50 years. You guys take this to a higher level, I’m aware of your architecture background but what you’ve done with the boat building is amazing, hope everything works well. Thanks
I asked the propeler what he thought about sailing, and he said, I am not a fan.
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ba.. dum!!
That WAS funny! 👏👍👌
😂😂😂😅😅😅😊😊
From the bilge,i suck.sail answer i blow.anchor this is rock bottom.electric just,you got to see the light...
It's amazing how you two are able to make, totally engaging, the process of boat building .. processes that in the hands of others would be as boring as watching someone scrub a kitchen floor. And I particularly like seeing the inside of your boat begin to take the shape, once again, of a live aboard boat. I look forward to each episode.
Your architecture background really shines through when you have to visualize things and think many steps ahead.
It is really exciting seeing my favorite sailing channel putting the boat back together and hopefully sailing in the near future! You two inspired me for years to retire early, quit the rat race and go sail. Inspired me to be more minimalist, reduce consumption, waste, and environmental impact. My girl and I are buying a boat this year and plan to get out there, we also plan to go all electric. Looking forward to seeing you on the water someday!
A suggestion (from an old composite aircraft builder) for installing / glassing straight interior bulkheads _in situ_: get some long pieces of material that will definitely stay straight--say, 1" x 1" x 1/4" 90 degree angle (or metric equivalent from Europe equivalent of Home Depot). Put plywood bulkhead in place, screw / hot glue aluminum angles to one side to ensure everything straight and flat, glass other side. Move aluminum angles to glassed side, screw / glue into place, glass side where they were; rinse and repeat as necessary.
Just a tip: On windy days keep some silly puddy available to temporarily anchor down your work cups and platters. 👍🏽
or a handful of washers, so you can just roll over the weights
Been watching yall for a while as an armchair expert, now I have my own ⛵️ to go anywhere….suddenly I’m not an expert anymore…ha!
I love how so much of boatwork consists of building up layers of epoxy and fiberglass, then sanding them down again, then adding more layers, then sanding them down again, then adding more....(I've built three wood-fiberglass kayaks, so speak from experience as well).
they use polyester and vinyl ester resins to be exactly accurate anyway. similar set up
The way you guys insert your sponsors ads is remarkable and so naturally done, Skol
I admire the knowledge, skills and strength you both have to take on this job. Congrats and stay strong.
Guys… you’re sooo good at DIYing… but DIY a way to keep that green tray down 😂
The highlight of my FRIDAYS! love this!!
I love that you are keeping and restoring Uma and give her a new life. You to are so great and work so well together! 👏👏👏
I like the way, how you build the bulkheads. I wish I would take everything out of my boat too, like you did.
Keep it up 🔨 🔱
Found you watching all your sailing videos which was a blast. Watching you rebuild and customize is awesome. My 32 Bayliner is 39 years old and going nowhere anytime soon. always rebuilding or modifying something. Newport MI, Western Lake Erie, you know, the land of 4 months, maybe, of boating
You could be up here on Lake Michigan in Charlevoix - even less boating weather
I just realised yesterday that over roughly the same time frame you have converted your yacht from an empty hull into a tank, I've been working on the same set of 6 or 7 hexagonal shelves.
Or more accurately, looking at them and thinking about finishing them at some point.
I think you have your self motivation under a lot control more than I have....
Love watching you guys sail, but your channel has by far the best boat work on it ever. Love your vids. ❤
Noticing this is the second time you guys have had a paint tray go flying, I have a suggestion. Try screwing it down to a small piece of plywood. This will give it enough weight to prevent future flyaways.
Carpet tape a piece of plywood to that resin tray! You are doing such a nice, thoughtful job. Building an exceptional boat! Looking forward to the continued adventure.
I love watching Uma coming back, You both work so well together as a team. What happened to Cheers Kika? I always enjoyed your ending the episodes with that. Love and see what happens next week. ❤
Good going Is dan and kika, No technical advice but enjoy your videos, Very enlightening And I enjoy your videos so much that I watch your commercials now and again.😂 Take Care, God bless and hope to see you next weekend.❤❤❤
based on my own experience/mistakes and actually industrial standards: when you do any sandwiching, you should apply pressure to points no more than 20 cm apart. This is why screwing works well because you can do it exactly 20 cm. The weight is only good to keep the whole structure flat it will not help better bonding unless you apply the pressure uniformly on the entire surface. That is why some people using vacuuming methods.
I've worked in ad production for 30 years and have never heard anyone beatmix a Dremel tool. Well done, Kika!
Fantastic fun to follow the development of your boat. I have also changed interiors, rudders and other things. A little tip. When you want to create a spread load, for example between your plywood boards, you can also use plastic bags filled with sand. From what I could see, there is plenty of sand behind your containers. It is also possible, albeit somewhat cumbersome, to have a flat surface with wet sand and on top a layer of polyethylene plastic as protection against the water. I wish you continued success with your project.
I think I saw a scene in the last video I watched where your container holding the epoxy resin was flipped by the wind on to your cabin top. Maybe you should invest in one with a little weight 🤣
Would love to see a short segment on the boat next to your steel container. It looks interesting.
Curved always wants to curve. It will nag at you. Been there. Good luck!
RE: moving the knot sensor I put one in on my old boat about where yours will be and it read one knot different on starboard and port tacks. That might have been because it was about 10 cm off centerline OR it might have been because it wasn't oriented true vertically but rather orthogonally to the hull surface. Not ideal (pun not intended).
I noticed you were wrapping your work surface with plastic bags, I used to design and assemble glued medical devices ( they use amazing glues ) I was told of using HDPE sheets to protect my assembly table.
NOTHING sticks to this stuff, and spills just peel of, no dealing with "wrapping" a work surface.
I love that drum sander. I picked up one last year. It makes short work of preparing steel for welding, be it rust and mill-scale from badly stored new material, or stripping paint and primer from recycled building steel.
Watching how many factors that you guys have strengthened your boat is amazing. I just didn't realize how exposed you guys were before the hull improvements. Great job!
We did, it's why we have grey hair ;)
Great job! That resurfacer is an amazing tool especially for curved surfaces❤
Wait, is that the first time we've seen the plan for the full boat? I thought there was going to be a big reveal! Love it though.
We did a whole video about it a few months ago. Also the full 3D model is available on discord.
I lost track too.
LOVE the sticker under your snorkle!
;)
Perhaps you should have a look at vacuum bagging. It costs a bit more, but for some of the jobs you are doing it would give an even better result. On jobs like the sides of the coachroof it would have saved quite a bit of the remedial work which you had to do.
BUT......I think that your decision to rebuild Uma is great. She's been a good friend to you for qll these years and, with a new lease of life, she'll be looking after you for years to come.
Really interesting to see the progress. Coming along nicely 👍
As for the warped bulkhead, I guess you first need to decide when is good enough ... well good enough :D There are ways to hide this kind of thing, well placed lights, although painting a mural of Uma on it would get my vote :D
As it is probably already glassed in by the time you read this I can only think of a couple of things that might help if it is still too warped. A beefed up door frame (rather than just a decorative edge) could be used to add some structural support and, if space allows, a handrail (in the main walkway) for structural and human support when underway :D.
I haven't looked in on you guys for a while! Great to see what youre up to! I didnt even know you had a camper now. I think youre fixing up the same boat(?). I LOVE how you use what youve got. There's a elegant beauty to that. And it shows your appreciation for what you have.
And I didnt know you had adhd! Yay!
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Great video, great work and I like your sponsor this week.
Love you kids! So glad to see you wearing your protective gear. Be well. ❤
Really like your videos - a comment on having the glass layers on the inside of that bulkhead. If I understand what you have done is stick woven glass on the centre of a bulkhead. It won’t really stiffen it up much as it is on the “neutral axis” which when it sees a bending load doesn’t really see any load. If you have some glass either side of the wood away from the neutral axis it would have a big effect on the stiffness of the panel but maybe you don’t want to see the glass
Not sure if you have the space for it in your plans, but the home construction technique to strengthen 2x4s is to attach a second board on the side, 90 degrees offset. When viewed from above, the two boards form an L. It gets placed inside of a wall where you can't see it in a home. With a boat, you might need to disguise it as a corner or a small column on the wall.
Try laminating two sheets of plywood together with titebond 3 wood glue. I had some 1/2" plywood sheets for shelving in my garage that had a lot of flex to it and wouldn't stand up to the weight I was going to put on it. I laminated 1/16" flexible hardboard sheets to them and they're still stiff and flat after 3 years in the garage with stuff piled on them. Also that plywood that got caught in the rain might eventually start delaminating since it got wet.
My greatest insights, inspirations, and time-saving ideas are many; however, they always occur to me after that aspect of the project is completed with no chance to go back to enjoy the benefits. It's a lot more expensive and time-consuming, but I now believe, with lots of personal experience, that if you royally screw it up the first time, the second time around you'll know the new techniques or go out and hire a pro. I'm available immediately as a consultant with travel, meals, and lodging, along with a salary commensurate with my superior knowledge.
Maybe you can glue a piece of ply to the underside of tray so the wind doesn't pick it up.
Love the progress! to make your flat plywood, do the same process, but screw some straight edges perpendicular to the board. That'll get it perfectly straight. You could make the straight edges from aluminum bar or plywood strips you cut.
Water tanks, I done my buddies 38 foot hunter 35. we put the two tanks for and aft with a pump to move water for or aft to balance the boat, he has a water maker so it's very convenient for balancing
Looking forward to the open seas again, where will you go first, have you even thought about that!
You guys are inspiring in so many unexpected ways. Thank you very much!
Bulkhead - in another YT channel about a famous wooden boat that they rebuilt, the used diagonally overlapping layers of real wooden boards that they glued together. That was very flat. Two or three of such layers are both light and very strong.
Another approach would be to replace the bulkhead by ribs from thin layers (laminates) of wood, glued into, say, 50mm thick ribs that run around in one piece.
Having a couple of such ribs would give incredible stiffness to your already stiff boat and gives a level of freedom of where to place separation walls. In this case, you could easily use some light foam material for a separation wall.
Alternatives ...
Bottom line, what you are doing is and will be fine.
What materials are readily available dictates everything. Then it just becomes a matter of time and money. One only needs to search on CZcams to see hundreds of ways to do anything related to rebuilding a boat. I would think that the UMA crew had many options in mind from the outset and THIS method made the cut. Pardon the pun.
Lila ,your a little Dynamite ( you talked about being short before) so no Pun intended
Now I think it only appropriate to say YOU are an absolute inspiration to all women with your ability and ability to learn DIY Loving watching you two grow and make such an incredible new boat and am watching in anticipation as you progress.
ps: you two sure belong together, you feed of each other so well
Cdn. Dave
Can't even remember where we are but really looking forward to this
I think that attention deficit disorder is not a disorder at all but possibly a positive trait to have because everyone that I've seen that says that they have it seem to kick ass at getting things done and do those things very well.
Agreed. It has a bad name. But some pretty sweet super powers.
Why is Dan sounding funny? :) Is he entertaining some dental work during those wonderful boat repair hours? :)
Placing your batteries under the floor is not a great idea. Any catastrophic leak will place your batteries at a huge risk from failure. Unless you plan to build a water tight bulkhead and lid. Then you have the problem of ventilation to the battery space. The curve of the hull is not space efficient for locating batteries but its great for built in tanks as they use avery square inch of volume, regardless of the shape
You got a point.
There has been a lot of discussion about the technical sample to of LiFePO4 batteries, which they have on Uma.
Since they have such low internal resistance, I can imagine Ring ‘shorted out’ by seawater submersion could be very serious.
We won’t be considering batteries that aren’t waterproof for any marine application. Also they have short circuit protections. And they’ll be in a water resistant box. And NOT under the floor, but under the nook.
@@SailingUma well good
Dan do you have a new retainer or is it the espana influence that’s adding to the new lisp?
Maybe a 3 x 3 post slotted half way around the unsupported edge. Like a deck stepped mast support post. Also makes a really sturdy hand hold.
You two have gone from architects, to sailors & divers, to cyclists & RVers, back to architects and boatbuilders! I look forward to you coming back to sailors & divers! 😜
Love the Boat Work t-shirt!
28:09 I haven't seen that since y'all were wee bairns..... CLASSIC. 🦇
Stiff straight wall. One inch foam with groves(use a router) cut in diamond pattern (about 6 inches apart) with router. Fill groves with thickened resin then laminate 1/4 inch ply to the foam, do both sides and you'll have a very stiff strong wall, it would even be straight if don on a very flat surface. Just make sure the grooves alternate on each side
I never understood the V birth. I always put then head up there. A nice queen sized birth midship was my favorite before the Prout brothers built the Quasar for us. Then we had a pair of them. I think you enjoy working on the boat more than sailing it. I totally understand, keep having fun!
We agree. A sail locker forward and then The head aft of that is a great layout. We don’t have the head room to pull it off on this boat.
Interesting build and lots of action ... keep it up.
If flat/straight is critical, you could go to a torsion box design, much like hollow core doors are made. Thicker, but stable, and relatively light weight.
i have seen you guys have that problem with paint pans several times now at least i think. when i was in my teens i was a painter for the Marriott Tantara lake of the Ozarks Mo. for a good while and my advice would be to look into paint screens that can hook onto the inside of your five gallon bucket. so much more stable and heavy enough the wind should not blow it around like that as easily. the ones i used were metal but they make plastic ones now. do a search on sherwin williams paint screens to see what im talking about. hope this helps. i am biased though i have always hated those pans lol
Did you guys just put glass along the neutral axis of that bulkhead? The glass is supposed to go on the outside where there are tension and compressive forces. You really should be laminating and tabbing in wooden structures with epoxy. Anyway, im really interested in your new layout. Looking forward to seeing it. :-)
It's tough working outside, in the wind and the heat. Okay, that flapper wheel sander/grinder, is a first. I've seen variations on the scotchbrite drum grinder, but not this!
Best wishes all.
Thank you for answering my question about fibre glassing the Bulkheads.
Dan’s boat work tshir @ 1:45t is spot on lol.
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Question regarding the plywood: Based on my VERY minimal knowledge and mild assumption that during the manufacture of plywood the thin slices laid with alternating grain direction? Like at 90 degrees each slice. If so would adding the 4mm ply with the grain running at 45 degrees to the 12mm grain direction add some strength and straighten it out too? I know this suggestion is far too late but just a thought 🤔🙂 love the videos
21:00 One thing you can do to help with keeping that bulkhead from flexing once installed is sill rims around the doorway to the locker or head. The doorway furring / rim will support it in the 3rd dimension.
Been wondering this a while now. How much will the glassing of each of those bulkheads be making the hull too rigid causing cracks or focused movement in the spots where the bulkheads are not installed? Also 400 next vid... Hope it's a banger.
A thick door frame will help keep that flat, as would a corner post for the forward face.
Right tools for application. hand drum / flapper sander.
You are redoing your yacht, doing all that fibreglassing so would it have been terribly difficult to have enlarged your companion way hatch area on a temporary basis so that you could get everything back inside in one piece?
You can also create your own lvl by making the corridor bulkhead out of 3 layers of 6mm plywood and staggering the joints. The combination of the glued plywood with the lateral cuts 50cm apart or so will be strong. Do the wood to wood glueup inside boat,
oh Dan is "crazy" too. i thought it was only Kika!! ahahah. i suffer from adhd also, been dignosed since i was 7 yo. i feel you
Just a thought - would it be a good idea to foam fill the gaps between the ribs to create a flush surface - then glass over the top throughout? - Effectively creating a double skinned hull?
You guys are the coolest couple!
Pivot, PIVOT 😂
Dan, Sometimes you don't know even when you try. Poly shrinks a good amount when curing and that is why your panel bows. I'm wrong if the concave side was the first side you laminated, but I'm going to bet my first born that the concave side was the 2nd lamination that shrank. You can't create a flat panel using your method, unless you pre-bend/preload the laminate... art work... Epoxy resin shrinks less and may have been okay?
Hi, You guys are doing a great job. Are you using Vinyl ester resin for all your laminating?
Yes. 99% of it anyway. There will be some areas we’ll use epoxy for specific reasons. We’ll get into that later.
ooooh i need that tool for sanding all the garbage off of my hull. i have a flat rotary sander.... but that one looks like it would work even better......
Are you going to eat those black marshmallows? I don't have any chips left.
Superconfused - is that one word or two? Usually sums me up 🙂
Thanks!
The new design looks way more usable and with the bulkheads is way stronger as well. Nice design! Lithium batteries are light weight but should be above the waterline because water will kill them.
Any battery that isn't waterproof, shouldn't be on a sailboat.
@@SailingUma Sailing
Sailing Zingaro installed Dakota Lithium Batteries and then had an issue where his boat flooded and the batteries needed to be replaced. He installed them under the floorboards of his Oister. That's what I'm basing my information on.
If that sucker ain't flat, bend it until it is. Good job guys, really coming along 🤗🤗
Did you buy that Land Rover or are you renting it? Seems like these are waaaay cheaper in the EU than US.
Oh. Super cheap in Europe compared to the us . We bought it. You can find them in the UK and Germany for less than $10k for a pretty good one.
One more 400!
Hey Dan! Noticed you sound a bit different in this Step. Did you have a dental procedure or something? Hope you're doing okay! 😊🦷
I noticed that too! In the last video as well. Hope he's okay!
yaay, so not just me noticed it :D, looks like somebody 'had' a wisdom tooth :P
Typically one adds strategically placed stiffening stringers to make/keep panels flat.
Yup. That would be the easy way. But it won’t work with what we have planned ;)
@@SailingUma gotcha
Stay safe and may God bless you
Have you considered doing some of the glass work with epoxy, which gives you a much longer working time?
Even with the sun blasting down, you should have about 45 minutes of working time with a slow hardener epoxy.
Yes. Something will be epoxy. We’ll be getting into that soon.
Could you cut a small slot in the roof to slide the template out and slide the bulkhead in? you already are patching holes in the roof
I can't believe you're sanding fiberglass in shorts and t-shirt.
Dan, my friend, you have a tooth trouble?
Or I hear your post orthodental onlay?
Hi guys great video as always, just realised you mentioned you have been in the van for a year already I'm just wondering how you managed a visa to stay in Schengen for extended periods please advise thanks. Have a great week
Almost every country has some sort of long stay visa options. They’re all different and depends on your citizenship. But if you’re curious, just google it.
why dont you use some aluminum frame for this part, just as skeleton to avoid unwanted cuviture?
The door frame will fix the remaining curve.
You have a Land Rover, Now I know you are both addicted to fixing things. 😄
Well we’ve had it for a year and only had to change the oil. It’s got 120k on it.
Land Rover made many different models over the years with long hard lives and multiple owners it’s hard to blame the truck and not the abuse on some. Ours seems to run great!
Both surfaces achieve equal surface tensions so the final panel should be ‘flat’.