Bowling Robert Smith(USA) VS Cheng Chao Sheng(Taiwan) (Cranker, Stroker VS Spinner, UFO, Helicopter)
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2012
- Bowling Challenge Cup Final:
Robert Smith(USA) VS Cheng Chao Sheng(Taiwan)
Cranker, Stroker VS Spinner, UFO, Helicopter
ボウリングチャレンジ大会 ファイナル：
アメリカ選手（ロバート・スミス） VS 台湾選手（鄭朝友）（テイ チョウユウ）
フックボール、カーブボール VS スピンナー、スピンリリース、UFO（ユーフォー）ボールリリース - Sport
Robert has always been one of my favorite bowlers. He is definitely a class act.
Growing up here in Singapore, it was common to play against many spinners (helicopter) in competitions, and one definitely felt like they had an advantage in uneven/oily lane situations, but it's as legit a style as any, and has its drawbacks and weaknesses too. Robert Smith adjusted and played well, and I also respect his temperament and cool, but I agree that the conditions probably leaned in favour towards Cheng Chao Sheng. Wish I could still play the sport if not for my permanent injury forcing an early retirement.
Rey187 Quite a number of spinners bowlers in Singapore
I love the way Robert Smith bowls. He is one of my bowling idols. He also has great form and can really get that ball to hook
John Ackerman yes he has great form now he’s switched to two handed bowling
interesting match, the guy with the helicopter shot was surprisingly accurate.And cool to see Robert Smith stay so cool in that match
Robert is a legend
Its not against the rules. So who cares howbhe throws the ball? As long as it gets results.
you dont hook to avoid the oil. Its the opposite you want the ball to slide through the oil and store energy. At the the break point it gains traction in the dry and enters the rack with much more power.
If you look closely, the Asian guy is throwing a backup ball ! The ball is turning in the wrong direction for a right-handed player !
its like an inverted back up ball maybe
That is the freakiest thing I've seen in a long time.
Most of the UFO style bowlers that I’ve seen….for righties, they throw left to right. Cheng is the first one I’ve seen aim more towards the pocket as opposed to throwing what we would call a fade. What’s also interesting is that he puts his ring finger and thumb in the holes…but not the middle. That’s totally different.
Come on, Robert. Start spinning it & all ya gotta do is touch the headpin.
Helicopter won over Cranker .. Haha .. But ,Smith is so funny.
Funny watching "Did they just call my name?" kind of expression on Robert's face.
この韓国？の選手…て・手首がΣ（ﾟдﾟlll）
不思議ですよね。右手で投げているのに、バックアップボールのようにポケットに当たったあとに右側にボールが逃げるんです。台湾？だったかしら。
Sumie Tanaka a
なんか韓国とか台湾とか結構主流だったりするみたいです。
でもなんか気持ち悪いですね〜
確かに気持ち悪いですね。
This is my first time seeing Robert bowl from looking him up and wow, I like his style a lot both personality and style. So much respect and smooth form, and both were fun to watch!
maximum bob has always been my favorite. Shame he left the PBA. so much power
You see a lot more older, softer lane beds in Asia and less of a wall. Dry middles make the spinner shot effective.
Most spinner types throw 10-12lb equipment. Note this guy's ball taking out the 10 pin on more than 1 occasion.
The pocket for spinner is down the middle of the head pin!
That spinner has amazing carry even if it hits the head pin dead on! Impressive!
That's an oily lane. Helicopter bowler had a big advantage.
Dood when the lanes are dry the ball hooks
Gideon Vaught Robert Smith was getting an under/over reaction because of the inconsistent oil pattern at the break point.
ziah Reid That's that reverse block. Its bone DRY in tha middle. If that ufo bowler bowled on a HOUSE shot. He would be like Robert. haha lmao haha This shot is a house shot for this UFO bowler haha ;D Its not even fair. But thats how they do haha lmao haha ;D
One finger in the ball *and* throws a backup ball? Crazy!
Robert smith is not a Stroker, he's a power player
I'd like to see this guy go up against Walter Ray in a game of horseshoes. He is about as deadeye as I've ever seen.
Lanes in taiwan are slicker than in the US Open, from the line all the way to the rack there's oil, its why smith was having so much trouble no traction. All house lanes are like this, in the US house lanes usually only have oil in the center so people hook to avoid the oil. But I rather stroke and spare all day than to face a 7-10 that this ufo style is prone to seeing. At the champion level styles don't make a difference, oil patterns and the player will.
I know this might sound stupid,but I thought that The Cure's Robert Smith was on that video!!!
Robert Smith is being a great sport here. And that helicopter style is totally something else!
Stephen Lella that style wouldnt work on a house shot. But perfect for a reverse block!! probably 42 foot reverse block
What a strange style lol. But, man, does it force you to be deadly accurate. Still prefer Bob's style overall though, but still lol.
On another note, got to love those gorgeous asian women !!
34th RLight not really. his ball gets so much pin action that as long as it hits the head pin he'll probably get a strike.
大曲對上飛碟
Umm... lanes in the US have oil all the way across, just not as heavy.
What's his ball
The helicopter ball backs up because of the release position. The helicopterist uses so much spin that his hand winds up on the left side of the ball, so as the ball falls off the fingers it gets a clockwise roll on top of the counterclockwise spin. There's not much roll, so it's a small backup. If you use lots of revs like Smith, you can be victimized by unpredictable lane conditions. On the other hand, the helicopterist can be victimized by all sorts of unpredictable pinfalls; sometimes the shot works great, sometimes there will be lots of splits, 5-8's, 5-7's etc. Are there any vid's of a helicopterist versus a more flexible western-style bowler e.g. Norm Duke?
how to spin the ball like that? It's easy just turn your palm 180 degrees when you threw the ball at the last moment. you don't have to increase any power to do that, I am a helicopter player and I had seen tiny female score 300 with helicopter.
The spinner is a headpin hunter.
Strikes or splits 50 percent ratio the ball never his the 5 pin.
Smith is being nice but this guy isn't in his league..
I'm confused as to why more US pros don't move to the outside a little bit on a heavy oil pattern like this one. Smith has a lot of good shots, but also a bunch that come in weak.
I know you get a lot of ten pins coming from the outside, but if you pick them up and string strikes together, you still shoot a good score. No funny splits.
That seems to make sense, but it you bowling on a long oil sport shot, the ball won't make it back from outside. Or if it does, the oil is flat out outside, so your shot hast to be perfect.
playing straight up outside is for shot oil conditions, and very high scoring pace.
16 would be sufficient anyway for a spinner. However, if he holds a ball that way even with a 15 I would be impressed.
ok I was at a tournament and somebody was doing this on shark and he shot a 411 series, he didn't even make the 1st qualifying round, when you hit the head pin dead on over and over again you are going to leave nasty splits. I don't understand why people do this in the USA like cbizzlenizzle said they don't have weight limits in some countries here we have them and it ruins your wrist and thumb there is no benefit to it and the people who do good with it are lucky nothing more to it.
Cheng Chao Sheng suddenly i notice he use 1 finger and 1 thumb only
for you guys to realize, helicopter styles cant bowl on medium-long oil patterns. In China (excluding HK) and Taiwan, most bowling centers barely oils up to 30 ft, and normally does not clean the backend. However, the tough part is (to overcome as a bowler that curves the ball), they directly lay down a 30 ft low volume flat pattern.
Interdicted my local alley uses a 40+ft oil pattern
Helicopter spinning ball
commentators keep emphasising that playing cranker style results in greater risk of sports injury... isn't helicopter style even worse? D:
rubiak you kidding me? I'm just watching the helicopter style and my wrist is hurting
rubiak helicopter? He’s throwing a backup ball!
@@douglasharris5216 back up ball?? Are u blind?
Smith is throwing a Global 900 Train. Not sure what the spinner is throwing; probably a old Manhattan Rubber.
They don't have weight limits on the ball in Japan. That's why he can carry out the 5 and not leave 5-7 or 4-6 splits every frame.
of course there is a weight limit, 16lbs, same the world over, but actually most spinners bowl 11 or 12lb balls.
I agree with what stated in facts read comments there two that tell you this is not bowling. As well they do not use oil as their comment from their country says they do. Really how many of them do you see World Wide winning or part of PBA you won't! Pulse in the USA & Europe we do oil lanes flat & we don't allow the ball to be released behind the foul line! Make them bowl 3 games never see anyone from there roll a 500.
Utter nonsense. The spinner style works well on all sorts of conditions. Lots of guys there average 210+ with it. Nothing in the rules to say you can't release it behind the foul line either, not that this guy does.
ロバート・スミスの回転もすごいが、台湾の選手の回転もすごい！どうやって投げてるんだ？
Is it me or does the asain guy use 1 finger?
He uses a finger and a thumb for spin
+SirWizzard And believe it or not they only use anywhere from 9 to 13lbs.
If I threw it like that I would be embarrassed.
If you were taking home big checks, you'd be able to get over it!!
I feel the same way - I think I've seen girls do that by accident. It looks unholy and wiki said that it has high injury potential.
Backup ball lol
Back-up ball?? Are you blind??