I have a clone 0111. It has no lettering of any kind anywhere on the watch. It has a Seagull 3600 movement that is keeping +1-2 seconds a day. I could never justify spending the money for a real one, so this is as close as I`m going to get. Wear it every day, and thoroughly enjoy it.
Good info to look out for..I know there are better fakes but one thing fake can’t do is the quick hour hand setting..that’s the first thing I do on a Panerai..
Смотрел с фейком про ролексы. Всё как обычно,принесли субмаринер 300 м. в элитный ломбард,с просьбой определить-на сколько качественный сейчас делают фейки. Было два условия: -определять только,пока,по фронтальной части,без осмотра задней крышки и просмотра механизма. Так вот первый,мастер или подмастерье как оказалось, ☝️ не смог найти различий. Перед собой он положил родные с синим циферблатом,а на оценку принесли чёрные…🤔.. но вот второй мастер определил,и не сразу. Так вот- у фейка на циферблате буковка «m» после цифр 300 стояла дальше чем у родных !!!(?) Всё было на высшем ( !!!! ОСТОРОЖНО!!!
I have an original Luminor Marina Firenze that was given to me by grandfather. I lost the box and certificates years ago. Is there any way to get a recertification on the watch from Panerai?
Good video but........your not comparing a top end replica to genuine. This one is a poor copy. Some of the fakes are so good that Panerai themselves refuse to check them as they have so much difficulty telling real from fake.
I recently acquired a homage panerai Pam390 it's scary identical on the case and dial, you would literally have to open the back to check the movement to realize it's not genuine.....
I rather have the replica I did cnc machine work for 20 years the finished product on the replica is actually good when these movements were made by hand I could see the cost justification but today everything is made on CNC lathes and mills both the fake and so called real watch were both made on the same machine using same M codes the difference in the 2 is the end work and grade of steel like 316 or 904 outer wise they are probably the same the difference is in the movement quality
For fun I got a fake quartz Rolex. Upon close observation you can tell it's a fake however. It fools most people. What's impressive about it is I wear it all the time; not worried if it gets broken or damaged. Its has held up surprisingly well and keeps good time. I had to buy a decent replacement band but that's to be expected with a knock off watch. I have real brand name watches and they are in excellent condition. But then again I almost never wear them. Too worried I will damage them. This is my two bits. There are others who have no problem wearing a $10k watch and letting get destroyed while at work. To each his own. Even though I wear my nice watches everywhere I still take them off during welding or any intense labor.
@Godisknocking Rubbish!! I saw the difference on the very first frame just by the date window. If you think this looks a good fake then you obviously don’t own, or even handled a high end watch.
same goes for Rolex and other brands too. There are super replicas of almost any watch these days unless you buy a watch with a certain complication that is very difficult to fake.
Enough to fool most people . Scary how good some of the other panerai copies I've seen are. Thankfully the Chinese sweatshops can't copy the in house 8 and 10 day movements!
@@jacobygulsten1103 another thing when buying from someone other than the official dealer, you HAVE to see the movement. Whenever I buy a watch online that's what I'm always looking for and if they come up with an excuse on why I can't see it then I won't do business with them
Beyond the ethical question. You have to ask are those differences enough to ecstatically justify the price difference. I agree, but we're talking at most a $500 watch versus a $5,000 watch. Is there a 10x difference? How much in fees would you have to pay a real watchmaker to equalize those differences? I doubt you'd have to pay $4,500 in service.
good luck finding a watch maker willing to service a fake watch. And sooner rather than later, you will need a service on a fake watch because they are only made to look the part, not to be robust, long term accurate timepieces
My post is for pointing out visual differences so one can determine if watch is genuine or a replica quickly. I appreciate the question and although it would be interesting, movement accuracy was not my goal, consequently no chronometer testing was done.
That is a poor replica. Look at the date window of both. The fake obviously uses a Seagull 25xx movement. There are super clones out there if you want to spend $400 - $700 on a near exact copy, including a replicated movement inside.
I want to add something, this "replica" is a cheap one $150 tops, VSF makes perfect Panerai replicas and uses original lume etc... they cost +/- $450and have +1/s day on the timegraph. How do i know this ? well i happen to own a few reps and one of them is a ceramic Panerai 438 "Tuttonero" which include a complete cloned movement P9001 with fully working power reserve indicator and real ceramic coating like the original.
@@mrp9498 I know sellers that sell VSF replicas, but for your own safety check out /r/reptime on reddit which is a fora where they provide all the info where to buy and you can also interact with other users and see their purchases. I would also suggest to pay with bitcoin not with paypal or credit card, not only its cheaper but the replica community on reddit is very powerful and they maintain a list of trusted dealers so they have leverage over them also. The bronze one is really nice, but i recently ordered the ceramic 438 "Tuttonero" rep on ceramic bracelet.
Patpong is certainly not the place to find high quality reps. Not unless you can find one of those sellers who call a runner to get the higher grade stuff from some secret location. You won't find them sitting on vendor's tables. Those are for cheap tourists.
These fakes are so good that decided to buy a fake panerari. I fool every one no one suspects it was a fake. It make me feel good knowing a get the feeling of having an expensive watch and impressing my friends for a cheap price. I got it for only 370 dollar look just like the real thing
@@trbautosource965was close to buying a rep until I seen this comment. Thank you. I’m buying a real one as a milestone gift of my work anniversary, all the years spent should represent real as the years we’re an absolute struggle.
That is without doubt THE worst fake I've ever seen of a Panerai watch. I have a real Rolex DSSD and a 'replica' from a well-known supplier - the replica has the blue dial, and my DSSD was acquired a year after introduction. Unlike the real one, the bracelet on the replica does NOT have a flop-open extension that has to be put back every time I take it off, and the clasp closes fully, without an annoying gap in the fold-over section. The replica and the real watch keep the same time, too. One was over $9000 when new, the other was under six hundred. Visually there is absolutely zero to tell which is which, apart from the crappy bracelet of the genuine article.
It took me about 2 seconds to identify the fake...rotor gave it away. This is a poor quality fake. There fakes which are virtually mirror clones of the genuine panerai's for less than $300.00. I have seen them.
Excellent review. To make a perfect watch you have to put the time and effort in. These poor Chinese people are working like slaves for $2 bucks an hour to make these garbage watches. Cheap metals, sloppy finishing. This watch will last a year if that and be in the garbage.
I've read from multiple sources that China is only about 10% cheaper to produce in than the U.S.. so, I highly doubt most make $2/hour now. Any source on that detail you mention? Not only do they clone watches, they clone everything. IP theft is an issue for literally everything worth money. That's why these things are cheap. Not because they get paid $2/hour. Also, metal is metal, as long as it has the right alloys, it's all "cheap" metal. ......not that I like the watch though lol just saying
Patrick Santos do your own research. The highest minimum wage is $308 per month. You think these Chinese working in boot leg factories are getting paid more than this you are stupid. Metals are not all equal, most of these cheap watches start to rust and corrode quickly.
@@spiros2310 if the metal is mixed with the right alloys, it's all the same. Of course there is different grades of SS. I was just saying in general, if they use 316l, it is the same no matter where it comes from. To be defined as 316l it has to have a certain amount of carbon & chromium & some other alloys I don't remember.. and I just did a quick Google check. I'm still getting a 5-10% difference in manufacturing costs for the US vs China. But I still doubt the largest growing economy is paying such low wages. It's relative anyways, their col is probably way cheaper in dollars vs the yen so that money would go further where they live.... But yeaaaah. I think China is a fascist country anyways so I don't want to defend their products
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I have a clone 0111. It has no lettering of any kind anywhere on the watch. It has a Seagull 3600 movement that is keeping +1-2 seconds a day. I could never justify spending the money for a real one, so this is as close as I`m going to get. Wear it every day, and thoroughly enjoy it.
Once sold a fake super clone Panerai to a jeweler. Got $7000 for it. Bought myself 2 Cartier tanks.
Good info to look out for..I know there are better fakes but one thing fake can’t do is the quick hour hand setting..that’s the first thing I do on a Panerai..
Смотрел с фейком про ролексы.
Всё как обычно,принесли субмаринер 300 м. в элитный ломбард,с просьбой определить-на сколько качественный сейчас делают фейки.
Было два условия:
-определять только,пока,по фронтальной части,без осмотра задней крышки и просмотра механизма.
Так вот первый,мастер или подмастерье как оказалось, ☝️ не смог найти различий.
Перед собой он положил родные с синим циферблатом,а на оценку принесли чёрные…🤔..
но вот второй мастер определил,и не сразу.
Так вот- у фейка на циферблате буковка «m» после цифр 300 стояла дальше чем у родных !!!(?)
Всё было на высшем (
!!!! ОСТОРОЖНО!!!
I have an original Luminor Marina Firenze that was given to me by grandfather. I lost the box and certificates years ago. Is there any way to get a recertification on the watch from Panerai?
Good video but........your not comparing a top end replica to genuine. This one is a poor copy. Some of the fakes are so good that Panerai themselves refuse to check them as they have so much difficulty telling real from fake.
do you have those fake one to show us?
Thank you for sharing, I really appreciated those tips and insight.
Thank, your video really helped me a lot, greetings from Córdoba Argentina
Thanks for sharing your knowledge Sir, these reps are getting better everyday and for common people like me, It's easy to be deceived
U need better camera skills. I need Panadols after watching your video halfway.
Do you have retail or accessories for this watch?
I recently acquired a homage panerai Pam390 it's scary identical on the case and dial, you would literally have to open the back to check the movement to realize it's not genuine.....
Can you imagine now 4 years later.
Thanks! Very helpful to see
I rather have the replica I did cnc machine work for 20 years the finished product on the replica is actually good when these movements were made by hand I could see the cost justification but today everything is made on CNC lathes and mills both the fake and so called real watch were both made on the same machine using same M codes the difference in the 2 is the end work and grade of steel like 316 or 904 outer wise they are probably the same the difference is in the movement quality
Wow!
The differences are so small you have to look for the differences under a microscope.
That said...the replica is actually quite good.
For fun I got a fake quartz Rolex.
Upon close observation you can tell it's a fake however. It fools most people. What's impressive about it is I wear it all the time; not worried if it gets broken or damaged. Its has held up surprisingly well and keeps good time. I had to buy a decent replacement band but that's to be expected with a knock off watch.
I have real brand name watches and they are in excellent condition.
But then again I almost never wear them. Too worried I will damage them. This is my two bits.
There are others who have no problem wearing a $10k watch and letting get destroyed while at work. To each his own.
Even though I wear my nice watches everywhere I still take them off during welding or any intense labor.
@Godisknocking Rubbish!! I saw the difference on the very first frame just by the date window.
If you think this looks a good fake then you obviously don’t own, or even handled a high end watch.
@@Godisknockingxне не не
сварка это всё-капец.
Всё правильно делаешь 👍
и незачем кому то это объяснять.
Всем добра !!!
yea but is the difference 40 to 60x? Because i know the costs is.
I have the vs ceramica real ceramic (they say) be interesting to compare those
Yessir
I love how they are called replica instead of 'fake' now.
이 할아버지 왜이리 잘 생김...
Wow, clone watches are getting really better at the same time scary as you may end up buying a fake watch.
Good info but I am getting motion sickness watching this....
If someone has to look that closely Panerai can hardly justify their pricing
same goes for Rolex and other brands too. There are super replicas of almost any watch these days unless you buy a watch with a certain complication that is very difficult to fake.
sure, buit if quality and locg lasting is what you want, you wont find it on a replica. looks the same but materials are not the same
페이크가 정교하다는건 그만큼 인기가 있다는거임... 롤렉스는 정말 정교함.. 그러나 롤렉스 가격은 프리미엄이 붙었음
where you buy the replica?
Thanks great video
very informative. but, either hold the object or the camera steady. way too much movement.
you should try a real tripod v fake. i got too dizzy to watch but thanks
Enough to fool most people . Scary how good some of the other panerai copies I've seen are. Thankfully the Chinese sweatshops can't copy the in house 8 and 10 day movements!
@@jacobygulsten1103 another thing when buying from someone other than the official dealer, you HAVE to see the movement. Whenever I buy a watch online that's what I'm always looking for and if they come up with an excuse on why I can't see it then I won't do business with them
Beyond the ethical question. You have to ask are those differences enough to ecstatically justify the price difference. I agree, but we're talking at most a $500 watch versus a $5,000 watch. Is there a 10x difference? How much in fees would you have to pay a real watchmaker to equalize those differences? I doubt you'd have to pay $4,500 in service.
good luck finding a watch maker willing to service a fake watch. And sooner rather than later, you will need a service on a fake watch because they are only made to look the part, not to be robust, long term accurate timepieces
How accurate is the rep? Does it run within Chronometer rates?
My post is for pointing out visual differences so one can determine if watch is genuine or a replica quickly. I appreciate the question and although it would be interesting, movement accuracy was not my goal, consequently no chronometer testing was done.
Yes, they can do when adjusted properly :)
@@Montres_tempus how much did that fake one run you
Where can i get the super clone?
Brilliant idea! Go on that way and support criminals!
@@Michael_Franke
By criminals you mean both of them, the original has an outrageous price.
The noobs are WAYY better quality than this looking at it right now and everything that you pointed out is non-existent on this rep. SCARY close
Eh Guy How Much A Réplica Panerai?
For 5k less I can put up with some small differences!
My replica Rolex kept much better time than my genuine 😅
That is a poor replica. Look at the date window of both. The fake obviously uses a Seagull 25xx movement. There are super clones out there if you want to spend $400 - $700 on a near exact copy, including a replicated movement inside.
No ones gonna ask whether you a fake or a genuine. Unless you walk in a panerai shop
Thanks for the video , but get a tripod !!!!
I want to add something, this "replica" is a cheap one $150 tops, VSF makes perfect Panerai replicas and uses original lume etc... they cost +/- $450and have +1/s day on the timegraph.
How do i know this ? well i happen to own a few reps and one of them is a ceramic Panerai 438 "Tuttonero" which include a complete cloned movement P9001 with fully working power reserve indicator and real ceramic coating like the original.
I wanted to get a Panerai bronzo replica.
@@mrp9498 I know sellers that sell VSF replicas, but for your own safety check out /r/reptime on reddit which is a fora where they provide all the info where to buy and you can also interact with other users and see their purchases. I would also suggest to pay with bitcoin not with paypal or credit card, not only its cheaper but the replica community on reddit is very powerful and they maintain a list of trusted dealers so they have leverage over them also. The bronze one is really nice, but i recently ordered the ceramic 438 "Tuttonero" rep on ceramic bracelet.
@@mrp9498Just purchased. Certified pre-owned Bronzo. Super excited! Did you ever get your replica?
I am a big Panerai fan so I know really fast, what the real is. But this fake is very bad.
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Try a VS factory with clone p9000 very impressive
Ian Boughey vs factory garbage
Quanto custa?
Why buying the real thing then.... replica are amazing those these at only 1/10 1/15 of the price....no brainier for me
Keep the camera still!
PatPong night market has those fakes......Bangkok Thailand.....go there.....if you like fakes....from Jeans to watches to belts to everything is fakes
Patpong is certainly not the place to find high quality reps. Not unless you can find one of those sellers who call a runner to get the higher grade stuff from some secret location. You won't find them sitting on vendor's tables. Those are for cheap tourists.
Just as simple as this.. genuine = PANERAI , fake = PANER AI or P A N E R A I.. just that.. so next time, just have a look at the letter..
No one spotted the fake has hour numbers?
These fakes are so good that decided to buy a fake panerari. I fool every one no one suspects it was a fake. It make me feel good knowing a get the feeling of having an expensive watch and impressing my friends for a cheap price. I got it for only 370 dollar look just like the real thing
The ability to buy a luxury watch is a financial accomplishment. Buying a fake one may fool others but it never fools yourself......
You will always subconsciously know that you are wearing a fake watch. It doesn't matter what others think, it matters what you think.
@@trbautosource965was close to buying a rep until I seen this comment. Thank you. I’m buying a real one as a milestone gift of my work anniversary, all the years spent should represent real as the years we’re an absolute struggle.
That is without doubt THE worst fake I've ever seen of a Panerai watch. I have a real Rolex DSSD and a 'replica' from a well-known supplier - the replica has the blue dial, and my DSSD was acquired a year after introduction. Unlike the real one, the bracelet on the replica does NOT have a flop-open extension that has to be put back every time I take it off, and the clasp closes fully, without an annoying gap in the fold-over section. The replica and the real watch keep the same time, too. One was over $9000 when new, the other was under six hundred. Visually there is absolutely zero to tell which is which, apart from the crappy bracelet of the genuine article.
That's a cheap rep see 1:1 quality
That is the worst replica i have ever seen.
It took me about 2 seconds to identify the fake...rotor gave it away. This is a poor quality fake. There fakes which are virtually mirror clones of the genuine panerai's for less than $300.00. I have seen them.
Thats a bad rep
I stopped watching after one minute. Tiring cam work.
Excellent review. To make a perfect watch you have to put the time and effort in. These poor Chinese people are working like slaves for $2 bucks an hour to make these garbage watches. Cheap metals, sloppy finishing. This watch will last a year if that and be in the garbage.
I've read from multiple sources that China is only about 10% cheaper to produce in than the U.S.. so, I highly doubt most make $2/hour now. Any source on that detail you mention? Not only do they clone watches, they clone everything. IP theft is an issue for literally everything worth money. That's why these things are cheap. Not because they get paid $2/hour. Also, metal is metal, as long as it has the right alloys, it's all "cheap" metal. ......not that I like the watch though lol just saying
Patrick Santos do your own research. The highest minimum wage is $308 per month. You think these Chinese working in boot leg factories are getting paid more than this you are stupid. Metals are not all equal, most of these cheap watches start to rust and corrode quickly.
@@spiros2310 if the metal is mixed with the right alloys, it's all the same. Of course there is different grades of SS. I was just saying in general, if they use 316l, it is the same no matter where it comes from. To be defined as 316l it has to have a certain amount of carbon & chromium & some other alloys I don't remember.. and I just did a quick Google check. I'm still getting a 5-10% difference in manufacturing costs for the US vs China. But I still doubt the largest growing economy is paying such low wages. It's relative anyways, their col is probably way cheaper in dollars vs the yen so that money would go further where they live.... But yeaaaah. I think China is a fascist country anyways so I don't want to defend their products
I'm wondering why ANYBODY would even want one of these (really) UGLY watches - real or fake.....