Haven’t been on a bike is 25 years man, your vids helped w info and truthfully put a lot of weight on your opinions when I bought a couple months ago.. it’s appreciated bro
I went with a 2020 Ktm 300xc tpi.. only have 10 hours on it but love the machine. Really appreciate the vids and info brother, love your work. Hope the family is well!
Side note: today I had a big crash and words cannot describe how thankful I am that I was wearing all of my riding gear despite the heat. Bruises instead of breaks. A torn up helmet instead of a head injury. I’m home in bed instead of at the hospital. Yes it can be hot and cumbersome but do yourself a huge favor and put your gear on.
Dirt N Iron My helmet is a Bell Moto-9 Flex. It came out of the crash with some scrapes, lost paint and a broken visor. I’m wondering if it will need to be replaced. My chest protector is a full wrap-around Fox Raptor with shoulder and upper arm attachments. I was very lucky to have the shoulder pads in place because I hit hard there too. I have a red mark there instead of an injury. Was wearing plain Titan Knee/shin guards, nothing fancy but the knee cup did its job. I hate to think what could of happened to my knee. Boots are alpinestars tech 7. I’m even glad I had the thin hip pads that come velcroed into riding pants (fox racing on those). I managed to bend all four of my fingers on the right hand backwards so they’re all stiff and swollen. Besides a big bruise on my thigh and a sore elbow, the fingers are really the only thing slowing me down the day after.
@@joelcowdreyiii6745 👍 for riding ATGATT style. My leatt adv suit has saved me from broken elbows and shoulders mote times than I can count. Gear is hot but it sure doesn't hurt.
Xterrential I really like the Leatt brand. I have my son equipped with their chest protector, neck brace and knee/shin guards. I’m going that direction too as items require replacing.
Hey Rado and Dallas, another great video from my church of Dirt & Iron. As a faithful follower of the teachings of profit Rado I have now just sold my KTM 350 and in a few days are going to pick up my brand new 300 2T. I have cashed in the kids collage funds (they were kidding themselves anyway) and in blind faith reneged on my health insurance (what could go wrong) to fund this instruction from my fearless spiritual leader. Pray for me!
Hey man, honestly I am not sure if your comment is sarcastic or just funny.. I am bit unsure. But, I would suggest to do more research before doing big decisions, I am just a guy who likes dirt bikes, I shared my opinion.. there are way better sources with better info as well. Good luck!
@@dirtniron Hahahaha you sound worried man... ...my ambiguity hit right on target. I'm yanking your chain mate, im not that nutts. but I am coincidentally selling my 350 and buying a 3002t.
@45 th anniversary video coming soon 2012 KTM 350 EXCF which is the same at a XCF over is the USA. different to those horrible plugged up EXCF models you get over there.
Thank you soo much. People never help you choose for what riding you do and just skip to what bike they like. You explained it very well. Thank you sooo much
Good video. I had a 350 and now I'm on a 250 two stroke. I find the two stroke much easier to ride almost everywhere. I went with the 250 over the 300 because I wanted something that would rev out a bit better. I'm not very heavy so the reduced torque and low end of the 250 compared to the 300 isn't an issue for me. I find the 250 a bit more manageable on the pipe as well!
Same here, I’m coming back from a long hiatus on riding and I’m on the fence between 500exc, 350xcf or 300xc. I’m leaning toward 300xc for better maintenance interval and lighter weight, am I right?
@@dirtniron wound up finding a 1993 300 xc 2 stroke, great deal old owner didn't know how to fix, just needed a new carb and she purrs like a kitten, and rides like a lion
Interesting! Thanks! And how about the sand and mud? Is the 2 stroke more difficult in the sand/mud? I am in doubt! I live in the Netherlands, and there are no hills......only mud, sand. What you guy's advice?
It's the age old debate. I like all dirt bikes, but I'm currently riding a 2 stroke. Soon no one is going to let you borrow things anymore. You crashed the Honda SXS and now you crashed the borrowed bike! :-) Just giving you a hard time, love the vids!
Just got rid of my 450. Looking at a 300 two stroke, thought about a 350 four stroke but like you guys showed in this vid, there is nothing like a 250 or 300 two stroke, just too much fun!!!
Ride both and see what suits your riding style. I do dual sport type riding which requires some pavement on occasion. In those situations, the 350 works better than the 300. If I had tons of offroad with no trail connecting pavement, I'd probably buy a Beta XTrainer 300.
I just subscribed. I have been enjoying your vids lately, good content. I too think the 300 is a superior platform for slower and technical. It is the weapon of choice for our Arizona technical single track were the 350’s are a little more stall prone. However, I do like the linear power and wider spread of power the 4/Strokes provides on flowing trails and open faster stuff. You are located in Kalifornia, may question is this: how does the 350 v 300 compare on large hill climbs? I’m talking Carnegie OHV hills / Jawbone Canyon and Spangler Hills mega sand hill climbs. That would be a great comparison. Sorry about the novel, but how about testing a Beta 390. They seem to have comparable weight to the 350’s, and from what I have heard / read, they have the power focused more in the lower end / mid range and may be better at slower speeds ( I.e. not stalling) were torque is your friend for dealing with technical stall prone terrain. I’d like a 4 stroke again, but it needs to deal with slow rocky sections without a tendency to stall or kill my clutch hand. Thank you 👍. BTW I just noticed this vid is over a year old lol.
First nice video made a lot of understanding in terms of weight,age and technical. But i would really appreciate it if you could take the time to do a comparison between the 250 and 300 2T for some Novice technical trail riders like myself . Im 176 pounds and a hight of 5’6 i am in the market for a 250-300 for trail and technical. Been riding for 13 years any pointers . Once again good video
Have my race ready cr250r still and crf450rx, both are great fun. Prefer my 250 in really tight stuff & hopping logs but give me a little elbow room even in trails and the crf is pure beast mode gone, hands down faster and hooks up awesomely! I race harescrambles and straight up stone 300's all day! Sorry, it just happens but I do do like the XC's
thanks for sharing Douglas! I was riding with one guy who also races on CRF450, and that dude was waay faster and could do all the technical stuff on his 450, I bet you are very good rider. I found it little hard to do slow technical stuff on 4 stroke.. on 300 I did pretty much all I wanted to, but on 350 I had to avoid few bigger rocks..
@@dirtniron Not gonna lie 450's just aren't for smaller guys especially in the woods. They take extra strength and good clutch control but you can't beat how those 300's tractor thru the slow stuff. Came really close to buying an XC but so many people are on orange bikes, just like to be different and do what I need to do to make my machine work for me. I love these types of videos. I was super interested in the 350 as well for lightness but concerned I wouldn't like the lacking of low end torque? I did a really nasty mud race recently on my 450 and it got heavy by the end and got hot I will say, did some things to keep her cooler for the next one but I will say the traction I got with this bike and how it just shot up these tall slimmy ruted mud hills really impressed me. My weekend warrior riding buddy is on a 300 xc-w and loves it.
My buddy bought a new 350. Rode it for a week & took it back to trade for a 300. I rode it & wasn’t impressed with the power at all. Then again I got off my CR500.
I like the lightness and nimbleness ideas of a 2T as I get older but their fuel economy has kept me away from them. I commonly put together multi-day rides in the SW US that have 130 to 150mi between gas stops. Tough to do on a 2 stroke - unless someone has a good solution?
If the primary complaint about the 350XCF was flameouts, why not compare it to the 350XCF-W? I absolutely love my 350XCF-W, hardly ever stall the bike, and it sips gas whereas my buddies on 300s (one TPI and one carbureted) chug it.
I wanted to compare same models xc to xcf plus those are the bikes we had available for test. what year is your bike? Have you done some mods to open her up?
@@dirtniron mine is a 2015. Love having electric and kick start, just in case. No mods to date as she does everything I need, from 1000ft (local) to 14,000ft (Mt. Antero, CO). Bike is truly a mountain goat.
You have Sold me guys. The pazzaz of a 2stroker will ALWAYS win hands down. It’s like a Stalion compared to a Mere. Plus 2stroke technology is getting so much better. It’s just sad with technology we have on metals today, we still need oil in fuel to lubricant them. The day Humans find a frictionless metal will be the day the 4strokes will cease production.
the 2 stroke was also XC and not XCW, I think we compared apples to apples, and also these are the bikes we had available. I would love to have W for the test as well.
Rado; Keep this up you will get factory 2 stroke review from ktm. HA I am more comfortable on a 4 stroke especially with a recluse. 2 stroke all the way for fun factor.!
I have the Husky 350, and it seems to stall easily, I am a beginner so I am blaming it on my lack of clutch skills, but these guys are clearly expert riders and are stalling the 350 too. I am starting to think an auto clutch is the way to go for the 350s. I would miss the engine breaking on steep loose descents though. the other thing is it seems like the 350 doesn't want to pop the front tire up over obstacles that easily at low speed without dumping the clutch pretty hard.
@@circus3422 That's great news. I did that to mine as well. Also adding clutch weight. The clutch weight made a big difference and helps it just tracker up hill and over rocks and roots. Definitely helps with traction and running a gear high.
Numerous times I’ve seen 2 strokes on the trail and almost all fouled spark plugs. Granted they weren’t really woods bikes, they were KX’s, SX’s, RM’s etc. My question is will that 300 do the same thing? Cause I’ve always rode 4 strokes for that simple reason.
I feel like the big difference that keeps me leaning 4 stroke is engine breaking when going down steep single track. And just over all engine breaking. I feel like 2 strokes create more work when taking in account brake control. What is your opinion?
I was going to get the excf 350. But I am since this vid considering a 300tpi. Would the 300 2t be ok for a novice?? Or too much power. Any help ? Cheers
I learned on a 300 but it broke my cv joint when I whiskey throttled it. I should have been on a 250 4t to learn but now I love it! However, I also ride on MX so I'm looking at the 350xcf. Kalib Russel is the most winning rider in history at GNCC and he rides a 350.
4T better traction and efficiency... if you know how to work the clutch there's nothing you can't do... 90% of times I see a bike flying into the air because the rider threw it on a hill climb that's a 2 stroke bike. Narrow powerband... when it hits it's hard to control and power is nothing without control.
hard to tell with limited info about you and kind of riding you want to do, also are you going to buy used or new, whats the budget? generally, 300 2-stroke is very good bike for trails and I think can be for beginner as well if you are a responsible person and dont twist that throttle too much ..
Beginners should always go with way less power than they think they need. It will be a lot more fun and if you get in some trouble it could save you from a big time injury
Arn't the 4 strokes better on the high speed trails though? I say that never have rode a 2 stroke on a trail yet but I brin g that up because the use of engine braking on 4 stroke while everyone cries when you engine brake on a 2 stroke.
And the old wr450f? What would you say about it in comparison with the 2t 300? My 450 to me is a tank for aggressive drifting and only momentum riding because is heavy... I don't want to cheat on my WR but I guess I should have another lighter bike.
I used to have 2004 wr450, that think was a beast, specially after all the free mods done. Its hard to compare them, different animal. I had a lot of fun on 450, very fast bike!
@@dirtniron thanks man, by the way I changed my fork oil for 5w and now I'm getting arm pump too easy. ( I was botoming out even in the corners and really bad in the jumps so I serviced). Do you know what's the right oil for it? or what could be wrong? Mine is a 2009wr450f
@@MrLdvo I am not sure, I would follow manual specs for oil and change the springs to match my riding and weight. I think having suspension company going thru the suspension is the best investment
@@dirtniron thanks, I'll run some more free tests and save that money to get a second newer wr450 and restore it too. I must to keep it cheap to get more toy lol. Cheers bro! Great channel.
Awesome video thanks. Im on an 18 350 EXC and going over to the 2020 300. Would be great to see your thoughts on the TPI versions of the same bikes. Cheers
I own both. The 350 is designed for high speed open desert terrain. A lot of folks blame poor clutch usage for stalling the bike on rocky uphills; however, it’s really more of a lean condition from the ECU mapping when suddenly opening a lot of throttle, and the motocross origin of the motor with its lighter rotating mass. I prefer technical single track so I like my 300 much better. My 350 was frustrating on rocky single track until I spent a grand on a Radius CX Rekluse. Before the Rekluse, I both loved and hated the 350. I still kind of hate it.
ISLAND RIDERS DIRTBIKES The 350 is a great bike for a young buck riding out in the desert. It does what it’s designed for well. I didn’t do my due diligence in researching this purchase. I’m really happy with the 300 motor and suspension and handling (50 years old, woods rider).
One the first day of Creation God made 2-strokes and rode hard during the week.......on the last day He decided to rest.....that's why on Day 6 He made a 4-stroke so He could take it a little easier on Day 7. Keep the Faith, Rado!
@@dirtniron a Electric dirt bike and BMW with a boxer engine + a 2t 700 - then you pretty much got it all , that would make a great video comparing them all , 2t 4t boxer electric
How are they doing a review on these bikes that are completely done up, pretty sure most people aren’t going to have all these after market parts but just a stock bike
i can do all the downhills on 2stroke, but its easier with 4stroke engine brake.. look at all the pros Garvis, Lety, Garcia, Young, etc.. they ride world series enduro and they are all on 2strokes
I did get a 350 before watching this ,december, never had 4t , happy so far - clicking on Show more, did definitely show more, alot more got a fc maybe a fx would have been a better fit - anyway having fun
Hi:) Am i the only one that hates the sound of 2 stroke? Seem to be the only one.. On dirt bike tracks there is nothing wrong with it. But on Supermoto/Enduro on roads hearing them is just awful. No respect for the people that hear that shit (no offense❤)
One owned FIVE KX500s. 1 86, 1 87, 3 89s. 3rd gear starts, ride it like an automatic, 3rd gear everywhere. I can't believe they got rid of 230 lb 55 go 2T for those 260 lb 65 go 4 strokes. Two strokes scare the piss out of you because they are frantic, you THINK you're going faster than you are. 4 strokes are like a deceptive woman, they're trying to kill you all the time. Because they are NOT frantic you don't realize how fast you ARE going until you're crashing at high speed. Big huge assed bowl turns because they CAN'T cut and thrust like a two stroke. Jumps 10 feet out of a turn because that is one thing they're good for is throwing you far off a jump. Try railing a turn 10mph FASTER to make the same jump, THAT'S how 2 Strokes make you a better riderOne owned FIVE KX500s. 1 86, 1 87, 3 89s. 3rd gear starts, ride it like an automatic, 3rd gear everywhere. I can't believe they got rid of 230 lb 55 go 2T for those 260 lb 65 go 4 strokes. Two strokes scare the piss out of you because they are frantic, you THINK you're going faster than you are. 4 strokes are like a deceptive woman, they're trying to kill you all the time. Because they are NOT frantic you don't realize how fast you ARE going until you're crashing at high speed. Big huge assed bowl turns because they CAN'T cut and thrust like a two stroke. Jumps 10 feet out of a turn because that is one thing they're good for is throwing you far off a jump. Try railing a turn 10mph FASTER to make the same jump, THAT'S how 2 Strokes make you a better rider
In the old days it was mostly 2 strokes and these days it still looks like its 2 strokes on the dirt..God bless em😊😊
What do you like to ride?
Hard-Enduro/technical trails maybe 2T is better.
Cross-country/flowing trails, maybe 4T is better.
yea, that makes sense
Exactly.. but everyone wants to be a “Jarvis “ so go 2T ..amazing the power of marketing
Haven’t been on a bike is 25 years man, your vids helped w info and truthfully put a lot of weight on your opinions when I bought a couple months ago.. it’s appreciated bro
glad to hear that Jason! what did you end up getting?
I went with a 2020 Ktm 300xc tpi.. only have 10 hours on it but love the machine. Really appreciate the vids and info brother, love your work. Hope the family is well!
Side note: today I had a big crash and words cannot describe how thankful I am that I was wearing all of my riding gear despite the heat. Bruises instead of breaks. A torn up helmet instead of a head injury. I’m home in bed instead of at the hospital.
Yes it can be hot and cumbersome but do yourself a huge favor and put your gear on.
Glad to hear you are feeling ok. What kind of gear did you have?
Dirt N Iron
My helmet is a Bell Moto-9 Flex. It came out of the crash with some scrapes, lost paint and a broken visor. I’m wondering if it will need to be replaced.
My chest protector is a full wrap-around Fox Raptor with shoulder and upper arm attachments. I was very lucky to have the shoulder pads in place because I hit hard there too. I have a red mark there instead of an injury.
Was wearing plain Titan Knee/shin guards, nothing fancy but the knee cup did its job. I hate to think what could of happened to my knee. Boots are alpinestars tech 7. I’m even glad I had the thin hip pads that come velcroed into riding pants (fox racing on those).
I managed to bend all four of my fingers on the right hand backwards so they’re all stiff and swollen. Besides a big bruise on my thigh and a sore elbow, the fingers are really the only thing slowing me down the day after.
Steve Dorsey - thank you
@@joelcowdreyiii6745 👍 for riding ATGATT style. My leatt adv suit has saved me from broken elbows and shoulders mote times than I can count. Gear is hot but it sure doesn't hurt.
Xterrential
I really like the Leatt brand. I have my son equipped with their chest protector, neck brace and knee/shin guards. I’m going that direction too as items require replacing.
Hey Rado and Dallas, another great video from my church of Dirt & Iron.
As a faithful follower of the teachings of profit Rado I have now just sold my KTM 350 and in a few days are going to pick up my brand new 300 2T.
I have cashed in the kids collage funds (they were kidding themselves anyway) and in blind faith reneged on my health insurance (what could go wrong) to fund this instruction from my fearless spiritual leader.
Pray for me!
Hey man, honestly I am not sure if your comment is sarcastic or just funny.. I am bit unsure. But, I would suggest to do more research before doing big decisions, I am just a guy who likes dirt bikes, I shared my opinion.. there are way better sources with better info as well. Good luck!
@@dirtniron Hahahaha you sound worried man...
...my ambiguity hit right on target.
I'm yanking your chain mate, im not that nutts. but I am coincidentally selling my 350 and buying a 3002t.
@45 th anniversary video coming soon 2012 KTM 350 EXCF which is the same at a XCF over is the USA. different to those horrible plugged up EXCF models you get over there.
Sharp as thanks for the really good wrap up, I was trying to decide and you guys nailed it for me.
glad it helps Mike! what is your conclusion ?
2 strokes all the way
Thank you soo much. People never help you choose for what riding you do and just skip to what bike they like. You explained it very well. Thank you sooo much
thanks Oliver, glad you liked it!
Good video. I had a 350 and now I'm on a 250 two stroke. I find the two stroke much easier to ride almost everywhere. I went with the 250 over the 300 because I wanted something that would rev out a bit better. I'm not very heavy so the reduced torque and low end of the 250 compared to the 300 isn't an issue for me. I find the 250 a bit more manageable on the pipe as well!
Well said! thanks for sharing
What kind of a 4 stroke guy is Dallas? Rolled over and accepted the 300 right away lol
;)
ahaha this one made my day!
love all your videos, so glad you have merchandise so i can support you
thanks John, appreciate it! ;)
great timing on this video Rado! - just making this choice on my next bike, and this video helped a lot. Thanks!
Cool Brian! Glad it helps. So what are you going to get?
Dirt N Iron the 2020 300 xc of course!!
Cool man! I want to try one of those for sure, tpi xc ! You live in the area ;)
Dirt N Iron of course you can ride it. But I’m not even close! But next time you’re NJ stop by and take it for a spin.
2 Strokes all day everyday!
you also were ther reason I chose my KTM 300 did a lot of research about buying a bike probably 20 or more years after not riding
thats cool! what did you end up getting and how do you like it?
Same here, I’m coming back from a long hiatus on riding and I’m on the fence between 500exc, 350xcf or 300xc. I’m leaning toward 300xc for better maintenance interval and lighter weight, am I right?
@@dirtniron wound up finding a 1993 300 xc 2 stroke, great deal old owner didn't know how to fix, just needed a new carb and she purrs like a kitten, and rides like a lion
@@mr.d7429 Love my 300 xc plenty of power and really easy to handle
Interesting! Thanks!
And how about the sand and mud?
Is the 2 stroke more difficult in the sand/mud?
I am in doubt! I live in the Netherlands, and there are no hills......only mud, sand.
What you guy's advice?
not much mud this time of a year in California.. but deep sand and deep mud probably 350.. I guess
@@dirtniron Thanks!
welcome. btw, good to see you here, I saw some of your videos too, you guys know how to have fun ;)
1M subs - face reveal??
It's the age old debate. I like all dirt bikes, but I'm currently riding a 2 stroke. Soon no one is going to let you borrow things anymore. You crashed the Honda SXS and now you crashed the borrowed bike! :-) Just giving you a hard time, love the vids!
Dirt Biking with Donnie and Chase yea, i need to slow down a bit 😉
Just got rid of my 450. Looking at a 300 two stroke, thought about a 350 four stroke but like you guys showed in this vid, there is nothing like a 250 or 300 two stroke, just too much fun!!!
just rode a 2020 KTM 350 EXC-F, and wow ! 300 and 350 are both great bikes ~
Couldn't agree more!
Ride both and see what suits your riding style. I do dual sport type riding which requires some pavement on occasion. In those situations, the 350 works better than the 300. If I had tons of offroad with no trail connecting pavement, I'd probably buy a Beta XTrainer 300.
I just subscribed. I have been enjoying your vids lately, good content. I too think the 300 is a superior platform for slower and technical. It is the weapon of choice for our Arizona technical single track were the 350’s are a little more stall prone. However, I do like the linear power and wider spread of power the 4/Strokes provides on flowing trails and open faster stuff. You are located in Kalifornia, may question is this: how does the 350 v 300 compare on large hill climbs? I’m talking Carnegie OHV hills / Jawbone Canyon and Spangler Hills mega sand hill climbs. That would be a great comparison. Sorry about the novel, but how about testing a Beta 390. They seem to have comparable weight to the 350’s, and from what I have heard / read, they have the power focused more in the lower end / mid range and may be better at slower speeds ( I.e. not stalling) were torque is your friend for dealing with technical stall prone terrain. I’d like a 4 stroke again, but it needs to deal with slow rocky sections without a tendency to stall or kill my clutch hand. Thank you 👍. BTW I just noticed this vid is over a year old lol.
welcome aboard! thanks for sharing, good info! I would like to ride Beta as well, lets see .. maybe we can get one in the future
A good rider will be fast on either one ... Personally I think people that stall a lot on a 4t just dont know how to use the clutch.
yes, just the personal preference.. I shared how I see it, plenty of guys have different viewpoint. I am totally fine with that ;)
Once the 350 is set up properly it’s a beast
absolutely!
First nice video made a lot of understanding in terms of weight,age and technical. But i would really appreciate it if you could take the time to do a comparison between the 250 and 300 2T for some Novice technical trail riders like myself . Im 176 pounds and a hight of 5’6 i am in the market for a 250-300 for trail and technical. Been riding for 13 years any pointers . Once again good video
hey brother, I did that video while ago. Check it out here: czcams.com/video/bOo-uwI96-c/video.html
I would go with 300 even for novice rider
Have my race ready cr250r still and crf450rx, both are great fun. Prefer my 250 in really tight stuff & hopping logs but give me a little elbow room even in trails and the crf is pure beast mode gone, hands down faster and hooks up awesomely! I race harescrambles and straight up stone 300's all day! Sorry, it just happens but I do do like the XC's
thanks for sharing Douglas! I was riding with one guy who also races on CRF450, and that dude was waay faster and could do all the technical stuff on his 450, I bet you are very good rider. I found it little hard to do slow technical stuff on 4 stroke.. on 300 I did pretty much all I wanted to, but on 350 I had to avoid few bigger rocks..
@@dirtniron
Not gonna lie 450's just aren't for smaller guys especially in the woods. They take extra strength and good clutch control but you can't beat how those 300's tractor thru the slow stuff. Came really close to buying an XC but so many people are on orange bikes, just like to be different and do what I need to do to make my machine work for me. I love these types of videos. I was super interested in the 350 as well for lightness but concerned I wouldn't like the lacking of low end torque?
I did a really nasty mud race recently on my 450 and it got heavy by the end and got hot I will say, did some things to keep her cooler for the next one but I will say the traction I got with this bike and how it just shot up these tall slimmy ruted mud hills really impressed me. My weekend warrior riding buddy is on a 300 xc-w and loves it.
My buddy bought a new 350. Rode it for a week & took it back to trade for a 300. I rode it & wasn’t impressed with the power at all. Then again I got off my CR500.
thanks for sharing! what was the main reason he returned it?
I don’t think he liked the power delivery. He had an amazing Husaberg 300 before he bought the 350.
Is the 2 stroke shorter than the 4 stroke? Seat height? If so, any reason why they smaller ?
3 words sums it up to even things up! “Learn Chutch Control”!!!!
I like the lightness and nimbleness ideas of a 2T as I get older but their fuel economy has kept me away from them. I commonly put together multi-day rides in the SW US that have 130 to 150mi between gas stops. Tough to do on a 2 stroke - unless someone has a good solution?
Love your work brother🤙
thanks brother, appreciate it!
Would a xcf-w or adding a recluse or both be as good as the 300 slow in the rocks as you mentioned? What about long open rides?
Great advice Thanks :)
Like I am saying 2 str 300 it is.... nice comparison for sure, thank you, cheers V!
Right on!
it does not matter anymore. the 4 strokes are equal to 2 strokes. its all a about the rider.. most people are faster with 4 strokes
Lol
I owned a 2019 XC 350 and a 2014 300 XC-W six days, sold them both for a 2021 300 XC-W !
cool man! how do you like it so far?
If the primary complaint about the 350XCF was flameouts, why not compare it to the 350XCF-W? I absolutely love my 350XCF-W, hardly ever stall the bike, and it sips gas whereas my buddies on 300s (one TPI and one carbureted) chug it.
I wanted to compare same models xc to xcf plus those are the bikes we had available for test. what year is your bike? Have you done some mods to open her up?
@@dirtniron mine is a 2015. Love having electric and kick start, just in case. No mods to date as she does everything I need, from 1000ft (local) to 14,000ft (Mt. Antero, CO). Bike is truly a mountain goat.
You have Sold me guys. The pazzaz of a 2stroker will ALWAYS win hands down. It’s like a Stalion compared to a Mere. Plus 2stroke technology is getting so much better. It’s just sad with technology we have on metals today, we still need oil in fuel to lubricant them. The day Humans find a frictionless metal will be the day the 4strokes will cease production.
thanks man, very interesting prognosis :)
I think for this to be fair, it should be the 250cc 2t vs 350cc 4t because those two bikes are the closest in bhp
300 is way more popular trail bike, I wanted to compare most common 2T vs most common 4T
@@dirtniron I see your point, but I still think it's not fair for the 350cc Don't mistake me for a 4t fan because I ride a 250 tpi 😉 and I love
@@dirtniron Nice review. How do you think the 250T would have compared to the 300F?
You should have tested an xcf-W if the focus was trails.
the 2 stroke was also XC and not XCW, I think we compared apples to apples, and also these are the bikes we had available. I would love to have W for the test as well.
No smoke, no poke.
Good looking machines!
Rado; Keep this up you will get factory 2 stroke review from ktm. HA I am more comfortable on a 4 stroke especially with a recluse. 2 stroke all the way for fun factor.!
thanks for sharing bro!
I have the Husky 350, and it seems to stall easily, I am a beginner so I am blaming it on my lack of clutch skills, but these guys are clearly expert riders and are stalling the 350 too. I am starting to think an auto clutch is the way to go for the 350s. I would miss the engine breaking on steep loose descents though. the other thing is it seems like the 350 doesn't want to pop the front tire up over obstacles that easily at low speed without dumping the clutch pretty hard.
Solution for stalling. Clutch weight.
or ECU remap.
@@kevindouglass5175 I got a whole new ecu, pipe, removed intake reeds. made a huge difference. doesn't stall nearly as easily now.
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That's great news. I did that to mine as well. Also adding clutch weight. The clutch weight made a big difference and helps it just tracker up hill and over rocks and roots. Definitely helps with traction and running a gear high.
So it's no good for lofting the front wheel over logs/obstacles? I was thinking about trading my 300 for a 350 but really not sure what to do lol.
@@stevetdesigns after the new ECU and pipe it is, way better throttle response now, doesn't stall as easy and the power is insane.
Numerous times I’ve seen 2 strokes on the trail and almost all fouled spark plugs. Granted they weren’t really woods bikes, they were KX’s, SX’s, RM’s etc. My question is will that 300 do the same thing? Cause I’ve always rode 4 strokes for that simple reason.
Thats not really applicable to a nice bike.
Even so, I ride with a spare plug. Just finger tighten them
I feel like the big difference that keeps me leaning 4 stroke is engine breaking when going down steep single track. And just over all engine breaking. I feel like 2 strokes create more work when taking in account brake control. What is your opinion?
yes, I like that engine break down the steep hills
I can't believe i wasnt subbed to Dirt Bike TV yet!
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Is the center of gravity higher on the four stroke? I figure this may be why the two-stroke feels lighter.
4 stroke has lot more rotating mass, thats why it feels heavier than 2 stroke ..
I was going to get the excf 350. But I am since this vid considering a 300tpi. Would the 300 2t be ok for a novice?? Or too much power. Any help ? Cheers
I think its possible, tpi is quite smooth and fairly easy to ride. take it easy tho, good luck
I learned on a 300 but it broke my cv joint when I whiskey throttled it. I should have been on a 250 4t to learn but now I love it! However, I also ride on MX so I'm looking at the 350xcf. Kalib Russel is the most winning rider in history at GNCC and he rides a 350.
4T better traction and efficiency... if you know how to work the clutch there's nothing you can't do... 90% of times I see a bike flying into the air because the rider threw it on a hill climb that's a 2 stroke bike. Narrow powerband... when it hits it's hard to control and power is nothing without control.
I like both, but find it lil easier to be on 2-stroke on the trails.. personal preference
What do you recommend for a beginner. I like trails, nothing to crazy
hard to tell with limited info about you and kind of riding you want to do, also are you going to buy used or new, whats the budget? generally, 300 2-stroke is very good bike for trails and I think can be for beginner as well if you are a responsible person and dont twist that throttle too much ..
Beginners should always go with way less power than they think they need. It will be a lot more fun and if you get in some trouble it could save you from a big time injury
Arn't the 4 strokes better on the high speed trails though? I say that never have rode a 2 stroke on a trail yet but I brin g that up because the use of engine braking on 4 stroke while everyone cries when you engine brake on a 2 stroke.
yes it feels better on faster trails, but i felt really good on this 300 too
And the old wr450f? What would you say about it in comparison with the 2t 300? My 450 to me is a tank for aggressive drifting and only momentum riding because is heavy... I don't want to cheat on my WR but I guess I should have another lighter bike.
I used to have 2004 wr450, that think was a beast, specially after all the free mods done. Its hard to compare them, different animal. I had a lot of fun on 450, very fast bike!
@@dirtniron thanks man, by the way I changed my fork oil for 5w and now I'm getting arm pump too easy. ( I was botoming out even in the corners and really bad in the jumps so I serviced). Do you know what's the right oil for it? or what could be wrong? Mine is a 2009wr450f
@@MrLdvo I am not sure, I would follow manual specs for oil and change the springs to match my riding and weight. I think having suspension company going thru the suspension is the best investment
@@dirtniron thanks, I'll run some more free tests and save that money to get a second newer wr450 and restore it too. I must to keep it cheap to get more toy lol. Cheers bro! Great channel.
Honda is missing the boat by not building the 2 stroke but for some crazy reason they think it's ok not to build it.
Awesome video thanks. Im on an 18 350 EXC and going over to the 2020 300. Would be great to see your thoughts on the TPI versions of the same bikes. Cheers
Sounds good bro! I hope to ride 2020tpi soon ;)
C Fuhry How come your changing bikes? Did you like the 350?
@@TroyAdam the 350 is amazing and beat all rounder but the 2T is more Fun! Hard to explain.
C Fuhry Thanks, I cant decide whether to sell my 300 TPI and get a 350!
@@TroyAdam depends a lot on your riding style. the 350 is easy to ride.
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I have had the 300, it is great
thanks for sharing
Wow, the 350 is not getting any love😥
350 is great bike too, but 300 did better for me ;)
Ridden both, and they are great bikes, its personal choice, and i prefer 300 !
I own both. The 350 is designed for high speed open desert terrain. A lot of folks blame poor clutch usage for stalling the bike on rocky uphills; however, it’s really more of a lean condition from the ECU mapping when suddenly opening a lot of throttle, and the motocross origin of the motor with its lighter rotating mass.
I prefer technical single track so I like my 300 much better. My 350 was frustrating on rocky single track until I spent a grand on a Radius CX Rekluse. Before the Rekluse, I both loved and hated the 350. I still kind of hate it.
@@joelcowdreyiii6745 thanks, no 350 for me then.
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The 350 is a great bike for a young buck riding out in the desert. It does what it’s designed for well.
I didn’t do my due diligence in researching this purchase.
I’m really happy with the 300 motor and suspension and handling (50 years old, woods rider).
Why do 2T riders always have to always compare to 4T bikes??
nzkiwibri
Because there aren’t 3T
Soon enough the electric bikes will be in the mix.
@@JS-ny8sn I actually saw one last weekend on the trails!
There is nothing else to compare 😉. I own 2 and 4 strokes and like them both
Never been able to understand why 2 stroke people need to always say they ride a 2 stroke
@@randomdude4669 my exact point! Glad someone understood me 😁
Dallas, stick to Husqvarna. TE300 !
So.would a 2020 CRF250RX be the best of both worlds?
hmm.. its a good bike for sure..
I vote 2strokes
One the first day of Creation God made 2-strokes and rode hard during the week.......on the last day He decided to rest.....that's why on Day 6 He made a 4-stroke so He could take it a little easier on Day 7. Keep the Faith, Rado!
haha, thanks Tom!
U should compare Cuburated 250xc vs 300xc the 250 is gas but the 300 crawls
yea that would be an interesting video
Wtf 4t's good everywhere. Y'all sitting thinking you're superior on your 2 strokes. Turns out it's just how you ride, how you like it
yea, its personal preference .. but there is difference how these bikes feel.. I like 4t too.. I have both ;)
@@dirtniron a Electric dirt bike and BMW with a boxer engine + a 2t 700 - then you pretty much got it all , that would make a great video comparing them all , 2t 4t boxer electric
Have you seen the 22 WESS MODEL & erzbergrodeo 300
not sure, do you have the link ?
Smokers !!!
4 strokes
It's all about what you like to ride, ride 4st like a 4st and 2st like a 2st. They are not the same animal.
Yes, thats right
I'm sure you all know this, but you can make a 350 do what a 300 does and vise versa.
yes, you can.. if you are good enough, but they still have some pros and cons
Bad review..it's so simple,the 300 is a better hard and slow type of enduro bike,the 350F is a better mx/fast enduro bike.
How are they doing a review on these bikes that are completely done up, pretty sure most people aren’t going to have all these after market parts but just a stock bike
thats what we have, so we use it ;)
300xc for trails maybe, but you wouldn’t see Antonio Cairolli winning multiple world championships on it like he did on his 350 4 stroke 🤷🏻♂️
yes sure, he rides MX
Which bike is better for descending?
personally I like engine brake on 4strokes for steep downhill
@@dirtniron this is my major concern about 2 strokes, especially if its wet or muddy
i can do all the downhills on 2stroke, but its easier with 4stroke engine brake.. look at all the pros Garvis, Lety, Garcia, Young, etc.. they ride world series enduro and they are all on 2strokes
@@dirtniron haha the key word being pros 🤣 I'm far far from it
300xc
Have you ridded a 19 Gas Gas, thats the best bike i have ever ridden..
I rode 2018 gasgas 300, it felt pretty good
I did get a 350 before watching this ,december, never had 4t , happy so far - clicking on Show more, did definitely show more, alot more
got a fc maybe a fx would have been a better fit - anyway having fun
they are great bikes for sure, I can see myself ended up with 350 mx bike soon.. lets see.. have fun and stay safe!
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I'm just hear to point out the typo in the title of the video...
So what is it typo?
Fixed, thanks! 😉
Good video!
ArkansaDave1 I’m just * here * to point out the typo in your reply. 😜
crpm73 wow, I’m special.
Maybe we should ask Kalib Russel?
guys like Kalib are from different planet, they are so good!!
I was actually thinking of selling my 300 to pick up a 350.....until I watched this video.
glad you find it helpful, 350 is a great bike too, but there are some differences
2strokes are better than 4 strokes
2 stroke !!!!!!
lol 300 2temps contre un 350 4 t..ca aurait pris un 450 pour arrivée a cheville d’un 300 2t
I’d love to get a ktm if they weren’t so dam expensive 😂
Buy used man. Get one that was taken care of.
The truth Shall not be hidden! Silva yea I guess I could do that but I always feel like I’m gambling when I do that
good used bike should be ok too
Dirt N Iron yea I decided it’s probably worth it to get a 2021 ktm 250 XC tpi
2 stroooke
Hi:) Am i the only one that hates the sound of 2 stroke? Seem to be the only one..
On dirt bike tracks there is nothing wrong with it. But on Supermoto/Enduro on roads hearing them is just awful. No respect for the people that hear that shit
(no offense❤)
“For 350 is better to have rekluse for technical riding”.... welp imma head out until y’all learn to cover and slip the clutch. Lol.
yea, better to get skilled with the clutch.. working on it!
@@dirtniron 4 stroke for LIFE! lol
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One owned FIVE KX500s. 1 86, 1 87, 3 89s. 3rd gear starts, ride it like an automatic, 3rd gear everywhere. I can't believe they got rid of 230 lb 55 go 2T for those 260 lb 65 go 4 strokes.
Two strokes scare the piss out of you because they are frantic, you THINK you're going faster than you are.
4 strokes are like a deceptive woman, they're trying to kill you all the time.
Because they are NOT frantic you don't realize how fast you ARE going until you're crashing at high speed.
Big huge assed bowl turns because they CAN'T cut and thrust like a two stroke. Jumps 10 feet out of a turn because that is one thing they're good for is throwing you far off a jump.
Try railing a turn 10mph FASTER to make the same jump, THAT'S how 2 Strokes make you a better riderOne owned FIVE KX500s. 1 86, 1 87, 3 89s. 3rd gear starts, ride it like an automatic, 3rd gear everywhere. I can't believe they got rid of 230 lb 55 go 2T for those 260 lb 65 go 4 strokes.
Two strokes scare the piss out of you because they are frantic, you THINK you're going faster than you are.
4 strokes are like a deceptive woman, they're trying to kill you all the time.
Because they are NOT frantic you don't realize how fast you ARE going until you're crashing at high speed.
Big huge assed bowl turns because they CAN'T cut and thrust like a two stroke. Jumps 10 feet out of a turn because that is one thing they're good for is throwing you far off a jump.
Try railing a turn 10mph FASTER to make the same jump, THAT'S how 2 Strokes make you a better rider
Thanks for sharing
New firt bike ktm
@@dirtniron right on, ride on. :-)
@@leroyadrianesbernardoadria3320 Yes SIr, 2003 250SX 2T. Braaaap
4 strokes sux
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Your spelling sucks.