XP Lite vs XP 2.0 SHOOTOUT - Which has more POWER on Hills?
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- čas přidán 31. 05. 2024
- You asked for it. The same test where I compared the Lectric XPremium vs the XP 2.0, but this time it's XP Lite vs XP 2.0. Both are cadence sensor equipped eBIkes, but the wattage is different: 300 watts vs 500 watts and it's also single speed vs 7-speed.
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You should have used gear 5 or 6 with the XP 2.0 to make it similar to the single gear on the lite.
My XP Lite is arriving this week! I'm so excited! Thanks for the video.
It’s that dang blue color that sets it off. They know what they’re doing.
UNC blue… yuck
Thanks for the comparison on the two bikes. I have a Espin Nesta that I love and keep on our ranch property, and I have a Lectric lite arriving today for around our neighborhood.
Could be the slightly smaller wheels due to the thinner tyres that gives the XP lite more mechanical advantage to climb hills
I finally saw a bike from your videos in my local Walmart. The Boundary! Much better quality than bikes I’ve seen from past years. I think that transition is all brought on by you Kev!! I’m a big fan of these Lectric bikes.I think there is one to fit your needs no matter what type of riding you do!
65 years old, bad back, the lite for my wife and i
I quite like the look of the Lite with its narrow tyres and snazzy blue paint job.
The XP 2.0 looks overly cluttered with junk.
@@SunriseLAW I have 5 bikes and none have fenders. Order the XP Lite as prefer a stripped down bike.
Thanks for the great vid!!
thanks for doing this, i may be deciding between the Lite and 2.0, the 2.0 is definitely necessary if i do decide to buy one. i have many hilly roads in my neighborhood and town, so any extra help commuting is a boon.
Good video! So much depends on the weight of the rider. The Lite has less mass and less rolling resistance from the narrower tires. All relevant factors.
ordered the 2.0 a few hours ago. just cancelled and switched to the lite. I come from a bmx background so im digging it
Congrats!
Without a doubt you love your Lectric ebikes! I'd like to see more head to head comparison of Lectric vs other brand ebikes, the lite would be my choice between these two due to better portability.
Great shootout. I'm still riding my XP 1.0 modded with hydraulic brakes, 11-28 cassette, new pedals and Lezyne E550 headlight. Fenders and rack removed. That XP light is tempting.
I bought the XP 2.0 Step through and love it.
I like the real world testing 👍
I've been having trouble deciding which ebike to get this helps greatly thank you
Xp 3.0 is the way to go. Bigger battery and faster bike
I have an old 1.0 but that light has another plus it'll fit on the front racks of a public transportation bus mine the tires are too wide
They fixed the rear light mount. It is on with two bolts instead of just one. I ordered two of the Lites and they arrived about a week ago.
Thanks for the info
have they also fixed the battery rattle issue?
@@railfan100 - I haven't noticed it while biking, so I guess the answer is yes.
I'm loving my Lite! 24 miles in first week.
I'm at 84 miles and I have one more day before my first week is completed. I love this bike - and I like my 2.0, but Lite is my favorite.
I did about 15 miles on my first day. Never went past 2 PAS and used throttle only when crossing a cross walk. So much fun!
The XP 2.0 is the better overall value. But if you are a smaller lighter rider (under 5’6” less than 175 lbs), don’t go off road. have no need to carry cargo, and only do short around town trips then the Lite will do you fine.
I have both bikes and the xP 2.0 is better. The xP lite is cheaper but going 28mph is a game changer.
A lot of people will want to know that the lite can keep up on hills with pedal assist 2.0. Great video. The lite only goes 20 mph and the 2.0 goes 28 mph. On the flat drag race, they were neck in neck until 20 mph. Hey, they fixed the rear light, it has two bolts now! I went for a ride in pas 1 today because it was cold and I was underdressed so anything over 8 mph was too much. My range was huge, and the battery meter was at full charge when I got back. I did pedal casually and often I found myself fully powering the bike on flats and not knowing it. but here is my take. I love the price but I'm getting racks, a second battery, and an upgraded seat. So tack on $400 putting me at 1200. The thing is the bike is 46 lbs with one battery. I can bring a second one and I'm at 52 lbs and have 80 miles of pedal range and 30 throttle only. I'm using this with an RV so it has to handle a bunch of use cases. There is less to break and adjust and the chain should not fall off ever I'm hoping. If weight was not a factor I would get the premium for 1800 since that is a crazy good deal and has 50 miles at 28 mph throttle only range which is really a car replacement. It is more like the high 60s if you use one battery and 58 or so if you take the batteries out for transport. Not too bad. I have a few hundred miles on my blue lite and love riding it. Plus people stop me all the time to tell me how cool my bike looks. I'm not a plan, but having spent 10,000 or so on bikes over 10 years, these bikes are a breakthrough in price to quality.
The 2.0 comes locked at 20 mph. If you unlock it, some states may require registration and/or a license so that is a consideration not to mention limitations on some trails. The premium is nice but for an RV, that's a lot of extra weight. I have already ordered the 2.0 but am waffling about whether to change it to the lite before it ships. I really like the monochromatic look of the white one. Have you ridden both? Do you miss the front suspension on the lite?
@@robertd9850 I did just that - originally order a white 2.0 Step Thru, but changed to a white Lite with Luggage package. Glad I made the swap because of my need to fold and load into vehicle. That 20lbs less weight and smaller folded dimensions are a big deal for me; yet I fit well at 5'11". I swapped the seat for a Selle Drifter Royal sprung saddle. The Selle saddle turns the Lite into a really enjoyable ride. I'm 250 lbs and the Lite cruises up 18 degree hills in PAS 3. I plan to strap a 10ah removable battery to double range..
@@rwo6211 I ordered a lite today because I’m in a flat ground city, and I only plan to ride around for fun and trips to the grocery store to save on gas, but I misread the max weight, so I’m kind of panicking wondering if I should have gotten the 2.0. It’s not so much a matter of cost as a matter of portability and weight, I want to be able to throw my bike in the back seat and drive it to the park to ride. I’m 5’10, 220-225 pounds, I saw your comment about being 250 and had to ask your opinion. How does the Lite handle someone heavier like us? I’m really concerned the battery isn’t going to be enough now, and when I add a rack and milk crate and get some groceries that it’s going to be struggle bad. Does it handle your weight ok (like is the max weight estimate just being conservative/cautious), or do you think the 2.0 would be better? Thanks in advance for any help.
@@weezyslob totally concur with all of @dean draper's points in his comments above, and affirm my own previous comments. As to your questions:
A) Handling heavy people/heavy loads: If your hills are less than 20 degrees, I believe the Lite (remarkably) will get me up there. As I mentioned, on my 10-15 degree hills, I just take them on PAS 3. The key is to have good seat height (just high enough to allow both feet to touch ground tip-toed, and to also push seat back as far as possible. I should also mention that in addition to my 250-255 lbs, 5'11", 30" inseam, 37" sleeve length (yes, some sort of Asian ape or gorilla was likely part of my ancestry),, I'm a 69 year old former stroke victim and am totally out of shape with very little stamina and muscle strength). Yet I fear no sub-15 degree hill situation on the Lite, and just pop it into PAS 3, and pedal up without breaking a sweat, or heavy breathing. (Anything steeper than 15 degress, I'm not sure. I guess try PAS 4 or 5 and get a head start and stand up pedaling (I can't do that any more)?).
B) Fit/Ergos: The ergos/fit of the Lite for me is pretty close to perfect (that is with the Selle Royal Drifter sprung saddle mounted as far back as possible. (I also have a Cloud-9 and a Bikeroo wide sprung saddles, but the Selle allows the best seat set back.) On the paved road, the sprung Selle saddle allows you to put max 35psi tire pressure for best rolling / handling. and smooths bumps. I don't think you'll miss the front suspension with a sprung saddle. If you also add a $25 suspension seat post (check out ebikeproducts.com), I think the Lite will handle most dirt roads (keep elbows bent and loose grip on bars. Use elbows as front suspension).
C) Portability: IMO: this is the BIG DEAL with the Lite (versus the 2.0 that I was originally going to buy until the Lite came out). Now I have no regrets with the Lite. The 20 lbs less weight and smaller folded dimensions IS A BIG DEAL with me in terms of not only loading/transporting/storing, but also just basically moving the bike around. Instead of having to plan how to get your 65-70lb e-bike up a step, with the Lite it's more like what you would do with a regular bike: just grab and lift. The 2.0 (and just about all the other 20" fat tire folding e-bikes out there that are all in the 65-75 lb range), they're all just a little too big to lift and fit into a back seat, or trunk of a car (or in/out of a bus). But the Lite opens up many of those limits while offering much of the on road performance of those other bikes.
D) Groceries in crate/weight capacity: I did order the "Luggage Package" (front/rear racks and panniers for $100, but have not arrived yet). I can't comment. I guess it should be okay. (Maybe because I'm on a 10-day cleanse, and maybe because I've been on the Lite so much these past 3 weeks, I''m down to 245 (!!!), so I guess I got another 10 lbs of XP Lite cargo capacity!). (Also from the looks of the really beefy mounting points of the racks, the Lite's stout build and motor, I feel quite confident that the Lite is strong enough to haul around another 40 lbs of cargo in the rear rack and maybe up to 15 lbs in front rack. (But I would avoid steep hills in such circumstance - no more than 12 degree hills)
E) Battery: I think KEVCENTRAL's range review of the Lite is pretty spot on and jives with my own estimates. I.e. for throttle only the tiny 7.8ah pack will likely yield no more than 10-12 miles if kept below 11mph on flat ground, and no more than 9 miles of heavy usage. I agree that using PAS 2 (about 10-13mph) and augmenting with pedaling, you can likely get around 20 miles (30-32 km) range. Note: Aliexpress sells replacement XP 2.0 (non-step thru) extra batteries for much less than Lectric (and they have higher amp hour capacity, but unknown battery cell quality - a big factor for longevity). I'm sure they will soon stock XP Lite packs soon. I am a e-bike DIY'er (the Lite is my 5th e-bike, but my 1st bought bike.) I build my own packs. I have already spliced a parallel connection for the Lite to accept my 8 lb, 48volt 14 ah pack (using 52 ("13s4p") Queen Bee 18650 3.5ah that' I will strap onto the rear rack only on longer rides (to triple the range).
@@rwo6211 Thank you so much for that detailed response, you’ve been incredibly helpful. After reading that and a few other comments elsewhere/watching more videos, I’m confident with the Lite. Where I live there are NO hills, it’s just flat city streets. I want the bike for trips to the grocery store no more than 2 miles from me, and for riding around my neighborhood for fun, so I don’t think I’ll need all the extras, just a rear rack. I will probably always think about not having the ability to get up to 28 mph in the bike lane, but then again that’s also very fast and probably adds do the danger level of a crash. I’m 38, but I have back issues, and a heart condition where I’m not supposed to lift crazy heavy stuff, so I think I made the right choice here. Thanks again for your help.
This looks like my previous ebike with a 500w hub motor and 48v battery! I modify it to a 1500w and 72v battery and it is fast and can take any hill at 30 mph!
I'm having a hard time deciding which one to get between these two I'm looking for a bike to get me from school work and soccer/basketball practice within the same 20-mile radius which one should I get?
2.0 FTW. Hits that sweet spot perfectly.
I bought you the 2.0 and I think it’s a really good bike it performs well on hills as long as I use pedal assist I weigh 220 pounds and it handles me just fine happy with the purchase I don’t have a bunch of stuff all I just got it pre-ordered with the seat big seat Neil absorbing post on it and Neil mirrors that’s it
I like both bikes
Would a different gear in the back help on the lite to climb hills?
The Xp lite is a great option. I have the 1.0 and the 2.0 which are great value bikes. The Xp Lite seems a little minimalist and comes pretty much bare bones. Both models have their place depending on which kind of riding you do and where. Hard to beat the 2.0 that comes with front fork suspension, bigger battery, fenders, etc. Its'a great cruiser.
The Lite seems more like a city bike. Just my opinion. The Xp Lite would be better value at $699.00
Finally, a test ride on a hill instead of flat ground where every bike is good. No mention of whether you miss the front suspension of the 2.0 but that may be a non-factor on a paved road.
My local transit buses have a bike rack on the front for two bikes. But Fat tire bikes with 4 inch tires it's a no go. Even 3 inch tires might be a no go too, The 2.4 inch tires on the XP Lite would work. However I would put a U lock on the rear tire so it wouldn't be taken by another transit rider (thief) quickly removing it from the front of the bus and taking it away.
The result of the pedal assist 5 test was not what I expected. How is pedal assist without force on the pedals any different from throttle only?
We were putting minimal effort on the pedals. Basically just enough to keep them spinning. The nature of having to keep them spinning means the slightest bit of assist is helping the bike - which translates into a major performance boost over throttle only
If you buy the rack for the Lite it will solve the crappy rear light holder. The rear light will mount on the rack making things much better.
Would love to see you take a bafang motor kit and add it to a big box bike (maybe pork chop?)
P.s. Nice outfit 😏 WDE
Lol. It wasn’t a planned color combo 😂
Just bought the lite cause of this
Congrats on the new eBike!
Pas 1 only pushes to 8 mph. Should be using 3.
What is the exact fixed gear ratio on the Lite? What gear is it equivalent to on the XP?
I was wondering that myself.
How difficult is it to pedal once the battery has died?
Yes
Lectric lite with a 1000W motor would be perfect
I wonder if the computers are setup the same for assist 5. I have a different brand and pedal assist 5 was setup for 85%. When I changed it to 100% I gained 4 more mph.
Your observations are correct. The e-bikes's top speed is a function of the pack voltage. As you ride from full charge to empty, the voltage of the bike will drop anywhere from 12 to 16 volts. However note that Lithium Ion batteries longevity is heavily compromised if you regularly charge up to 100%. (If you charge only up to 80% you can more than double the amount of charge cycles and greatly increase pack longevity.) If you do charge to 100% try to make sure you start riding and using the battery no more than a few minutes after fully charging. (As you leave your battery in 100% state of charge, the battery builds crystals that will grow and either decrease capacity and may even short out cells in your pack. It is even more damaging to leave your pack in a state of zero (empty) charge (actually below 3.0 volts per cell in the pack (30 volts on a "36 volt" pack, 39 volts on a "48 volt" pack and 42 volts on a "52 volt" pack). If you do drain your battery, it's best to at least charge for about 30 minutes as soon as possible. packs left in a state of empty for more than a few minutes will incur permanent degradation.
@@rwo6211 how do you know this to be a fact, sounds like you really know your stuff though.
How about ability to unlock Lite in future so can go top 28 mph. Then a bit bigger battery so the faster speed doesn't impact the range. Have the 1.0 and have 1200 miles but range never seemed very good. Guessing 15 miles to start now seems like 15 mi max if that . How about Lectric making a bigger battery for XP 1.0 as well.?
They locked the display settings, so any attempt at unlocking would involve reprogramming
sorry,,,, i like mtn bikes,,, but still watch
Kevin it said I won a bike?
Spammer accounts. It’s a growing problem on YT
They finally listened and made bigger batteries for sale.
Does the pedal assist the throttle or is it loose
Hello. I’m not sure what you’re asking. Are you asking if the throttle can work without the pedals?
I think Lectric has great deals on the 2.0 and Xpremium but I just can't generate much enthusiasm for the Lite. Getting rid of the 7 speed was a step too far imo. I can see the Lite being handy to ride around an RV park and frequently load/unload from the RV but other than a use like that it sure gives up a lot to the 2.0. Less battery, less range, less motor, smaller frame, no suspension fork, no fenders, no rack to carry anything, and once again...NO GEARS! Unless the lifting weight and the 18 pound difference vs 2.0 is beyond physical limits then the Lite doesn't seem like much of a bargain.
What do you mean by the 2.0 being completely unlocked?
Speed limit changed to 28mph and torque settings set to higher levels. Edit: or at least how fast the power scales
@@KevCentral so you were going 28 mph on just the throttle? How do you do that
0:42 no outlet? So like no water taps or nothing sold on that street?
I think that's Aka "Dead End"
Yep. Dead end
Is that hill so steep that you'd have to get off and push a 7 speed beach cruiser? Hills never look big on video.
How comfortable is the lite for a 6ft person?
Dad is 6’ tall and he didn’t have an issue. I’ve seen other taller riders on Lites that like them too. It is a smaller frame, so a very tall person might look a bit goofy, but it will technically fit a wide range of riders - including tall
How does the 2.0 need new brakes and rotors free 500 miles?
It doesn’t need new rotors; Only pads. I had to sand on those early on in an attempt to quieten the squeals. Plus, they’ve already endured lots of hard braking
Are they both the same battery size
No
If so which one?
Great video. Love these types of comparisons. The XP2 is hard to beat for the $$ but I had one and nimble... its NOT. I went another route but the Lectric company is the only way to go if a folder is what you like.
Here's a new request...the Walmart E-ride mountain 29er vs the Walmart Boundary Electric. Both 29ers, but the Boundary is $200 more with a throttle. This would be a very good test within the Walmart family of eBikes.
That's a legit hill. Test an Aventon Level on a hill like that.
How you gonna test the XP 2.0 and the Lite while at Pedal Assist 5 when you only have the XP 2.0 in Gear 1? It's like you're artificially making it appear the XP Lite is faster than the XP 2.0 on hills, when I there is a very high probability that the if the XP 2.0 were in Gears 3, 4, or 5 the XP 2.0 would cleanly beat the XP Lite up the hill. The XP lite is a fixed gear so it's fixed gear is going to be higher than the equivalent of Gear 1 on the XP 2.0.
2.0 is my choice overall more battery power hands down
True but the nimbleness of the lite is so tempting tho
Hey Kev do you have a Telegram account Let me know asap
No. That’s one of the spammers that’s plaguing YT right now. I blocked that account
@@KevCentral thanks you are the best love the videos👍👍
Hahahahhaag I think I said it before they both don't ride any better than my Ezip trails
there is a gear ratio difference of maybe 10 teeth and a smaller tire vs a larger one, lite is 2.89 and 2.0 is 1.86 so the lite has a gear ratio advantage if you put the 2.0 in a closer ratio outcome may have been different. gear inches show the difference even better lite is 61.11 inches and 2.0 is 41.55 so for every crank rotation the lectric lite travels farther.
Gear ratio is irrelevant on a cadence sensor hub driven bike when the rider is only spinning the pedals enough to engage the motor (at least at max assist)
@@KevCentral when ever you are pedaling and driving the chain each turn of the chain drives the bike a set amount of distance there is no way to avoid that distance unless you stop pedaling amd in this situation the lite will travel farther with each turn of the crank. take the chain off the bike and the pedaling won't have any effect on the rear wheel. Gear inches will always matter when it comes to distance travelled
Cadence sensor dictates when the motor turns off and on, not the bikes gearing. They have the same cadence sensor. That makes the rotation cycle the same and will turn the motor on and off at the same points
@@KevCentral I did not dispute that what I said you can not turn the crank without putting some kind effort if you take the motor out of the picture the 2.0 would be at an advantage climbing a hill with no motor. The lite would be at a disadvantage but ad the motor and it is reversed the lite is putting more power because of taller gear even lightly peddling the lite is going to out perform 2.0 cause the effort is not equal because of gearing
I wish the XP 2.0 came in different colors. The Lite in blue is awesome, but I want the 2.0 not the Lite. Argh.
You think if ride on Xp lite, my weight is 140-145 plus I’m 5’3-5’4”. Will be more lighter as feather get on Xp lite to uphills will go lot of faster than your guy said 175 pound instead mine light weight? I watched your videos Xp lite my opinion think seem look impressive go uphill no problems. I believe both Xp 2.0 and lite still good!
They’re both great bikes for the money, IMO
Do I hear squeaky brakes
On the 2.0 yes. It needs new pads and the rotors cleaned
@@KevCentral after only 500 miles new pads?
You can not compare a seven speed with a single speed bike !
He just did, no?
first
you spelt knob wrong
@@kidShibuya why so mad?
Get back to your roots man…… cheap bikes…this is getting boring
As they come available. There aren’t new budget analog bikes flooding out this year like there normally is. It seems almost all companies are focused on eBikes