RAF Greenham Common - Nuclear Conspiracy
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Love the way you do your videos .. top work folks
" does that mean runway ",,just so great to watch. Thanks for sharing Your great adventures and Greetings from WW2Historyhunter
Great episode again IKS, very interesting location with lot's of history
Really enjoyed this episode, I don't usually comment but thought I would say thank you! I often walk on Greenham (a few Geocaches there!), love the views from the control tower and the volunteers up there are always full of useful info too. Very interesting investigation...I look forward to more :) x
Like a scene from the M20 . One digging and the others watching . Actually on the M20 no one does any work
Best video of people digging holes that i've ever seen.
You spade murdering chaps are hilarious 😂 loving the series! Keep it up folks!!! More merch too please 😬 much love and appreciation for you all. Amazing channel, amazing adventures xxx
16:12 - Honestly, that spade breaking is comedy gold - especially when Chris just continues digging. Nice one, gents - I had a crappy day and needed a laugh. Cheers.
brianartillery 🤣 I know man!! @ 5:02 I thought to myself that old wooden garden spade will probably snap in half... Low and behold !! 🤣🤣🤣
@@geoffcrabtree657 - I watched it yet again, and Ben walking away, shaking with laughter, is the icing on the cake. I was also amused by the later shot of the two halves of the spade sitting forlornly in a bin.
brianartillery 🤣👌🏼
Awesome video guys.
The entertainment value is superb, just wondered what an unsafe cpm level would be, by the way I thoroughly enjoyed this one cheers Mike
The spade breaking was an absolute golden gem!
I worked on the fuel filtration system at Greenham, had to cross over the runway in the middle, runway was so long you couldn't see each end, so stopped, looked either way, and gunned it.
I think these guys are looking for hte wrong contamination. Correct me as needed, but my bet is that there was a lot of diesel and other chemical contamination of the ground around this runway. Looking for carcinogens, that should be the target, not radiation.
Not sponsored by homebase 😂 great vid folks, super entertaining as always. Loved it 👍🏻
Wrong type of shovel boys, also a pick would have helped
Hi Ian! Here's a tip for you when using you Geiger Counter.
I own a quite pricey one an if I want to sweep the ground, I put it on the end of a selfie stick, making it easy to sweep ground level. Thank me later haha
I used to work in thatcham from 2001 to 2011. There use to be tours available to the disused missle silo's and the control tower was under debate about making into a restaurant.
No silos ever existed on RAFGC.
I lived in the area and worked at RAF GC for a number of years at the time of Cruise missiles: Claims of contamination and cancer clusters have been suggested at quite a few old WW2 military sites in the area, not just RAF GC. The claims were repeated regularly by opponents to these sites whenever a particular site was reactivated or returned to sleeper status. Many of the old WW2 areas are now housing estates. private land or public access land. Sightings of 3 legged chickens and 2 headed cows are as common a sight in the area as the Loch Ness monster is in Loch Ness!!
Hey guys, love the adventures. I see some people have added useful tips. I’d like to add a couple myself. Waiting till after recent rain is a good idea for a few reasons including the ground is soft and easier to dig up. Also I would think if the plane had exploded then pieces of it would have flown all over the place. I very much doubt they would have found them all. You never know there could be radioactive metal material still around there. A metal detector could possibly help you there.
Good luck guys
"Orange and brown clay with flint nodules "
A quote from a site survey not far away. It seems that is entirely natural for the area. I think its a river valley which would explain the gravelly nature of the soil.
Mmmm crunchy on the outside, crunchy on the inside..... gravel!
Just chucking it out there - have you placed your Geiger counter near a known radioactive source to see if it actually works?
Just putting it out there guys!! Lady Tuya is the digger here, she suggested a manual post hole borer for holes & nice heavy gloves to remove the spoil by hand. If you can contact me, Lord Horus he has a very sensitive Geiger counter that he let's me borrow at work Radio Carbon dating artifacts. I as the father get to use it when we are conditioning our Accelerated Mass Spectrometer to date prepared samples from our lab for carbon dating. Lord Horus says you can borrow this for a couple of weeks if you wish to do a follow video or other project sometime. Hit Lord Horus & Tuya up if you come by Bristol way to see the lab & the AMS accelerator. Its one of 4 in the UK & would be great to see you guys!! Horus & Tuya love your videos. Take care guys!
Great video folk
I think we need IkS spades in the merch store 👌
Sure someone else has probably mentioned this guys, but speaking as an archaeologist here a mattock to break up the topsoil at the beginning would have been a big help! *edit at 19:20 the mattocks were to the left of the forks! You were so close to making things easier for yourselves!!! :P ;)
i live newbury use to love the base as a kid
This is very interesting
Nice! I live near the place where they disposed of the Manhattan project’s biproducts
How many fingers do you have?
Chris Bentley not that close lol
I'm always freaked out by background radiation - it's utterly harmless, but what's somewhat terrifying about it, is it's age. It's come from distant stars, but some of it originated with the 'Big Bang'. 'Event One'. That small matter. The clicks on your counter, are indications of charged particles. From the Beginning. Of. Everything. Eerier still, the hiss, and crackle of 'static' as you tune an analogue radio, is the background 'noise' of that event. When you hear that static, you're listening directly to the past. And thinking of that has kept me awake at night. It's one of those things that is best not thought about too much, otherwise, you realise how deeply troubling it is.
Best tool to use for digging small holes especially in tough ground is a drainage spade.
JCB.
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I said small holes, lol.
Should have used a rotating pot noodle fork 🤣 luv the vids keep em coming 👍🏻
I've just found out they filmed some scenes for Star Wars Episode VII here in the bunker area
During WW2 if there was a accident they used to bulldoze the rubbish off the nearest end off the runway and bury it, I don’t know if this counts and was still done in the 1950’s. It was a case they owned the site and it had its own rubbish dumps. I don’t know if this helps
I like the price tag still on the new hastily bought spade. Laughed like mad when the first spade broke.
I think you need to go down about 4ft to get back to '58 and should dig around the ends of the runway but far enough away to be clear of any taxiways.
So interesting👍 let's wait and see if there is actually radiation 🤔can't wait for the next vid🙂🙂
Wonder what's faster through the air Radio active particals or Chris's Transit van ?
Dig or use the counter next to Sellafield that's radioactive guys that would be a brilliant video aswell
I used to fly with a friend, from Popham airfield back in the day & when Greenham was active you couldn't get anywhere near its airspace. After de-commissioning we could fly right over it no problem, I remember the 'mountains' of concrete crush that were present at the time they were vast! We could see for miles, from there we could see the Newbury by-pass being built. Greenham runway, so it is said was 4' thick of reinforced concrete & a mile long, do the math on how much there was in Cu. ft. Plus the peri tracks & roads, buildings, etc. so I think a lot was leftover & pushed out & graded everywhere. Unless there was a major explosion at the time of the incident that directly involved the weapon on the aircraft, I doubt if anything remains of that incident at all as if it was just fire alone fissile material would not be blown everywhere so guys you are looking for a needle in a haystack that does not exist IMHO. but well done for trying! Keep up the good work guys.
I have not watched this save for the first few minutes, nor do I plan to watch the whole thing. One takeaway: in the first minute or two of this program the narrator states that the fuel tanks were dropped accidentally. The B-47 that dropped its fuel tanks was not an accident. Rather, the pilot had 6 engine fire warning lights and dropped the tanks in a panic, just barely missing the school. The aircraft on the tarmac that became engulfed in flames as a result of the dropped fuel tanks had mechanical problems and was delayed in taking off.
The squadron commander whose squadron was participating in the exercise requested a nuclear weapon be moved onto the tarmac and be ready to load once the aircraft's problems were fixed. My father commanded the nuclear weapons depot at that time. My father refused to authorize the release of the weapon until the aircraft was ready to take off. The aircraft became engulfed in flames from the dropped fuel tanks before the nuclear device could be moved to the tarmac. There was no nuclear weapon on the tarmac when the aircraft caught fire.
IKS MERCH...more radioactive than the disaster zone.
Hahahaha. Think u need to come back with jcb lads. Love it. 👍💪
Imagine if you tried a Geiger counter in your gardens flowerbed and it had a higher reading than Greenham Common.
Very likely. Background worldwide ranges from 5 to 60 counter per minute at ground level.
Never ask a man with a shovel why he's going in the woods lol
lol 😂
are you measuring Alpha or Gamma with that thing?
To get a proper reading for radiation, you should find one of the oldest trees in the area and take a core sample, to measure from.
That was so funny strike 2 on digging holes
When the spade went....🤣🤣🤣
The bloke with the spade looks like he’s off into the woods to have a dump the burry it
Hi. I know this is not too much information, my uncle worked at greenham common in the 70s till mid 80s. I remember my mum told me when we was watching the news when all the women demonstrated outside. When I spoke to my uncle, he said that he's job was not important even though he got there by. Bus with other workers. He never told me what he did and now has had heart attacks and strokes and is in a bad way. So sadly I can't speak to him. But I bet he had some interesting stories. 👍
I bet he has ! Hope he gets better soon :)
The prevailing comes from South West so best to check for readings on and outside the North and North East edge.
Ha ha, that was so funny, told everyone not to break it and look what happens. Well done. Do love the way our government cover things up, they seem very good at it.
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LIke an episode of Dad's Army. Captain Mainwaring leading the mission and the moment when the spade breaks again... stupid boy.
I laughed too hard at the spade breaking.
Chris digging.....great moment🤣👌🏻
And Chris was the one who said to be careful pmsl
Those shovels been sitting in corner of mom's garden shed for years is the problem
That path had nothing to do with the base, you were miles off the mark, used to play around the base and you could climb through the fence in many places before the price campers arrived
strange how the cancer rates are really high around there,i saw a b52 take off there when they done airshows,it was so low i could see the pilot had ginger hair.....
Love your videos great inspiration guys.
6:00 it is a path from the original perimeter wall. You can find remaining runway tarmac at 51.376344, -1.273915, would make a great reading I'd imagine. I've always heard rumours that the accident happened on the taxiway near the hangers which ironically is where the runway remains have been fly-tip dumped by the council hypocrites! Hope this is helpful. Here is further info: www.cpeo.org/lists/military/1996/msg00205.html
Its Greenham common an airbase. Airbases need to be flat for obvious reasons. so I would assume a lot of the levels have been made up hence all the hardcore and gravel you are finding at less than a spades depth. But what would you do if you found a particular part that was high in radiaton?
Could it be that if an accident did happen then maybe through the years of rain etc that the radioactive particles seeped down into the water table and then into the drinking water, could that not be how the cancer rates are so high in those area's because the water itself contains it ????. x
The Newbury By Pass is nowhere near RAF Greenham Common runway. The Newbury By Pass went through Snelsmore Common 2.5 miles to the west of the Base. No roads run through what was the runway.!!
When it comes to this type of thing I do not think you understand how it works, the only way you get a contamination zone / fallout is if the device is detonated or ground down into a dirty device and then detonated with conventional explosive to spread it, if it was simply sitting in the plane when it cought fire and even if it was a complete fire that burned the whole plane it would never have been reactive enough or hot enough to melt the core or cause it to explode, so basically if the whole plane and bomb casing melted it would simply have dropped the core onto the ground under the burning plane meaning that only a very small area would have received contamination from penetrating radiation perhaps 8sqm at most, so any clean up would have been in this area only and fairly easy to do and any that was missed would have decayed over the last 60 years and would be pretty much indistinguishable from background.
Oh my lol! Perhaps vintage is not ideal , maybe time a full length shaft tapered tip shovel lol or spade if will lol, fiberglass , just behind ya there hanging, just picking guys , but reallly lol
Nothing for it chaps, you will have to go and dig up a part of the Newbury bypass - that's obviously how they disposed of all the waste. (though please avoid doing it on Christmas Eve owing to the fact i have to drive that way to pick family up).
03:07 Prot-Ian's drinking a carton of eggwhites for the gains i see
Beefcaaaake!
wow.....
The background radiation levels at Hiroshima and Nagasaki today are in line with those any anywhere else on earth. This is after a nuclear explosion. Now i'm no scientist but could we assume an accident involving nuclear material from very early devices not actually detonating would leave any more residue today than actual exploded devices?
Should of picked a pick.
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it would have been cleaned up , not to mention how the bombs are made they would not leak that easy
IKS gardening decision how to plant radioactive tomatoes lol
4:59 you found Vince.
Don't skimp on kit. Get yourselves an ex - army entrenchment tool. It won't break. 👍
Debunked!!
When I was a n dads army we was given chalk in our nbc uniform
Fullers Earth lol, used them on Gas Masks for the seal.
Unless there was an actual explosion, the likelyhood of particals in the area is zero........and if there were, a cleanup would have effectively render finding one impossible.....The cancer rate is more likely asbestos related
Ian radiation makes things rampant irregular look for that!!!; )
With all that camo gear on you would of thought to bring a trench spade good show old boys..
On next weeks iks time team dig... Ian finds a rat hole lol
Next time bring a sapling with you to plant in that hole so one day if you come back there will be a lovely tree
Before I watch this video, as I understand this incident nobody has ever found any actual evidence that there was ever an accident at this base involving the release of nuclear material including many third party studies by universities and whatnot. The "scientists" mentioned claimed that they found a lot and it was well dispersed, but these materials would have been mostly plutonium which doesn't disperse so easily due to ts density. Seems like if there was an accident as described they've done an extremely good job cleaning it up - probably too good...
also it may not have had a war head on it ,so what burned may have been rocket fuel
It’s a very interesting topic indeed
5:13 Safe As Milk
Why would you want the airbase as it was, surely returning it to a common with trees and stuff is far better?
Idea for next time guys, look for Badger, Rabbit or Fox holes. Better burrowers than you it seems.👍
maybe you should go at night and test the glowing spots? lol!
GoFundMe for a Military Shovel?
Remember if it’s raining or it recently rained the normal radiation levels will be up!
Get an hand auger.
Or you could go to the Pub.
3 went into the wood 2 came out . ?
Lol
Y'all look like you're doing a bit of Ferreting!!.. 😏💯👍🏼
OMG you guys said your going to homebase for a new shovel. i thought you were going home. turns out homebase is an actual store!
look for new car hint hint
Car?
Watch 3 men who have never grafted
We grafted don't you worry about that
Maybe ur barking up the wrong tree. With the amount of hydrocarbons and other chemicals that must of been used there. That could cause a cancer cluster as well...
Its 1cm a year ;) so you want to go down about 70
Radioactive tampons alles uber der platz.