Shaq says LeBron getting scoring record will make him the GOAT - Skip & Shannon I NBA I UNDISPUTED
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- According to Shaquille O'Neal, LeBron James doesn’t have to win another title to become the GOAT. All the King simply has to do is pass Kareem Abdul-Jabbar as the NBA’s all-time leading scorer to go with the four championships he’s already got, and Shaq said he'll be cemented as quote 'the best player ever.' Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe discuss how much they believe getting the record will help convince doubters that LeBron is the GOAT.
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But he’s playing longer than everyone else??? If he averages out his years against theirs… he’s scored less than MJ
Shaq is soooo full of shiii but he needs to stay in good grace b/c ol boi runs the media…
Kickers score usually more points than anyone on the team that doesn’t make them the best player on the team
only if you stop saying Lebron is Goat because he isnt and never will be unless he wins 7 championships.
Karl Malone scored more points in the NBA in his career than Michael Jordan did are you saying karl Malone is better than Michael Jordan?
“I got a super bowl ring and I’m in the hall so you gonna have to go ask somebody else” super flex Big Unc😤
Just letting dk know who the lil boy is
Y'all really don't understand what he's actually saying? Such little minds 😆🤦🏻♂️
@@josuesolorzano1 so what’s he saying tough?
Savage
🤣🤣
Skip trying to downplay Kareem averaging almost 25 points in a 20 year season is baffling.
Skip is a Jordan /corporate media sycophant.
Anything to discredit lebron
I got a headache reading this
Curry averages the same
A 20 year season? Lol
The patience Shannon has not to strangle Skip is incredible. I know I couldn’t do it.
I literally came on here to say the same thing… Except I was thinking that about Skip’s patients. Just sitting across the table from Shannon while he makes all those ridiculous faces while skip is speaking. I would have torn my shoe off, farted on it, and whipped it at Shannon’s 475 teeth
Being great over a long period of time is the greatest part of greatness.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long."
@@KingSlayer_. well Lebron is disproving that notion because he’s been shining bright af for 20 years lol.
@@jaydot4956 he never burned brighter than jordan. Jordan literally has the greatest 5 year stretch of all time. All of his 11 seasons are in the top 50 seasons of all time including his 1988 seasons which is the greatest individual season of all time. He has a defensive player of the year, he has the highest PER of all time in the regular season and the playoffs, he has the highest box +\- of all time in the regular season and the playoffs and he has 6 of the top 10 value over replacement player seasons of all time. It’s just too much to say. Lebron has longevity sort of because he load managed where as jordan basically played all 82 games in every season
@@dominiquewilson Bron won 4 MVP in 5yrs so how'd MJ have the greatest 5yr stretch?
No, it's not. Just like running 6 miles every day through 60 years does not make you a better runner than the one who set the World Record just once. Let that sink in.
Skip trying to argue with Shannon about football will always be the funniest thing ever to me.
Thank you Shay is a top 3 TE all-time he would deserve to be in the Hall had the team lost the SBs.
And I find the way he downplays Shannon's greatness funny too. The man is top 3 TE all time, and skip is talking about he wouldn't be in the HOF since he isnt "transcended"..well damn, seems I dont know the definition of transcended
Yeah but Shannon trying to argue about basketball to skip is funny …
Jojo Nedeau Huh? U act like skip be knowing what he talking bout
@@jojonedeau5816 not really. Skip was never a top 3 at his position in basketball. Skip don’t even know what he talking about half the time.
Kareem should be in the conversation for the Goat more often to be honest.
He is and he was until MJ did the impossible. What Lebron doing has been done before. Just blessed to play 20 years.
He is the GoAT. People just discredit him because he played with Magic and Big O.
Right cause he have 6 titles so that makes him better than MJ
@@fuddyduddie1205 the impossible??? You mean win in the most overrated decade of basketball??? He wouldn’t have went 6-0 in the 80s 😅. I don’t get how people just tip toe past that part. As an individual he would be awesome but his team success would not have been as great.
@@fuddyduddie1205 the impossible in what?
People should remember when taking Shaq's opinion into account that he spent considerable amount of time on the court with both prime MJ & LeBron. He's not just a spectator when it comes to this, he's seen them both up close & personal.
Hes more likely to idolize the one he grew up watching than the one who came after him.
hes prisoner of the moment like everybody right now
@@olearyeugene Lol not really. Shaq's Magic beat Jordan's Bulls in the playoffs. In fact, Shaq is basically the reason why the Bulls went out & got Rodman in the first place.
The narrative gets shaped like Jordan wasn't fully back yet when they lost in those playoffs, but in-fact his numbers were better that season in the playoffs across the board than they were the next season when they won the championship.
The difference was that they were weak inside, not Jordan's performance. The first 3-peat team had Grant for defense inside & the second had Rodman. Without those two, they didn't have the interior defense. Jordan can do a lot of things on the court, but he is not a versatile defender like LeBron for example. He is an excellent perimeter defender, but he isn't going to be defending any bigs.
@@randumo24 or was it bc they needed a good rebounder? MJ really wanted Jay WIlliams.
I love Shannon lmao “when the rubber needs to meet the road? Big play shay”😂
"The Goat" is the most overused term in today's sports media talk. Apparently every top 10 player in every sport has a "Goat" argument. Enough of this nonsense already.
Underrated comment. My thoughts are similar on this.
Truth
The only sport that has an interesting GOAT conversation to me is men's tennis. One could make a strong case for 3 currently playing players
THE GOAT, Debate on who better between other players, PRESSURE , SHOULD HAVE, MAYBE. Overused terms in basketball.
@@ph43draaa you literally missed the point and tried turning it back into the garbage conversation I already pointed out.
The say this every year 😂 if he accomplishes this then next season they’ll say “if Lebron can somehow give birth to a baby elephant he will be the goat”
Exactly! Every year when they don’t think Lebron will win a ring, they come up with an alternative condition lol
😂😂😂😂😂
nocappp
@@dominiquerobinson8888 he ain't wing a tinh buddy with westbrick on his squad
Lmao it never ends. No one can surpass MJ as the GOAT. Lebron could turn water into wine and he still wont be the GOAT.
You have to give credit for longevity. If everyone could play at the level LeBron is at his age, then they would.
FACTS. I think Kobe is the goat 🐐 but he wasn't a top 5 player this late in his career.
@@TheVashCross this is a heavily offensive minded NBA. Lebron has only played in 26 games… smh… of course he’s going to have higher numbers. He hasn’t even played enough games to be thrown into the calculations. Jordan at 40 played a full 82 games and was 20/5/5. In 2002, Jordan’s last year, Ray Allen led the league in 3’s made per game at 2.6. This season the highest leading scoring average per team is held by Utah at 116 and every team that follows is in the teens. In fact I couldn’t find the 2001-02 season points per team but in 2003-04 104 was the leading points per game but today you have to go all the way to no. 27 to get that same number. Change of pace and the addition of the 3 ball are going to up all the numbers. Inflation. Simple math. 20 points in 2001 is 27 today. Easily. Jordan would be right under Anthony Edwards and James Harden in today’s league. You guys just won’t stop.
@@TheRoadLessChosen I'm not talking about years played, I'm talking about at 37yrd old he's still dropping 30+ points and arguably carrying his team when he does play and it's not like he's raining 3s like Steph or Ray.
All I'm saying is we didn't see Jordan or Kobe sustain this level of play this late in their career on an almost nightly basis. You can say Jordan's era was too physical but Lebron, statistically, is still top 5 player this late and this old. Again, I think Kobe is my personal GOAT, Idc for the Jordan vs Lebron debate.
The thing is: Lebron played 239 games more than Jordan. However, Lebron still has taken more than 1 thousand shots less than Jordan. Therefore, Lebron passed him with less shots attemps ie more efficiency. Translation: Lebron is a better shooter than Jordan and has better shot selection than him.
At the end of the day the number of doesn't count.
You would think so, but after MJ's 1st 3-peat, he decided to walk away from basketball & tried to make it to the Major Leagues in baseball! When MJ failed at that, he returned to 3-peat again and finished 6-0 in the NBA Finals. MJ is also one of the best defenders ever
I like how humble Shannon is 💯💯
So why isn’t Kareem already the GOAT with this line of thinking?
Shannon in 2017 said Kareem was the GOAT. I don't think Shannon actually believes Lebron is the GOAT. He just needs to keep up his GOAT James meme persona
@@waynealan3067 what hurts him imo is his 2 finals mvps.
Kareem does get mentioned in some goat talks but i think its the fact he only won 2/6 finals mvps that people discredit him
@@im_an_alien196 he fs believes Lebron is the goat you missed on this
@@magnum2051 Kareem was about the team and he was a unselfish big so that’s the reason he aint get as many finals mvps.
Kareem is literally the Most SUCCESSFUL basketball player 🏀of all time and should be considered a lot more than he is
Literally, his entire life playing basketball he’s been a winner 😭😭🐐
people just don't give the man credit because he was a 7′ 2″ giant. They think he was supposed to do that because he was bigger than everyone. Big guys don't get any love in the GOAT convo. There is even a clip of Kareem saying he thinks that is why he was overlooked, because of his height.
How is he more successful than Bill Russell though?
No.
@@ursula3438 he has more accolades excluding rings.
Love the debates and this show with these 2 ❤️💯🏀
Only athletes will understand what it is like to be that good for that long! 💯
Nastiest thing Skip ever said: “He’s got big cheeks with big tongue” 😂🤣
FACTS😂😂😂
Dam im a blj man just stop dam everything aint racist he a big guy dam wtf wrong with yal
@@kingdino849 nah wtf is wrong with YOU? Lmao he said it’s nasty not racist😂😂😂
Oh my bad
Lmbo
Skip: he’s got big cheeks with a big tongue. Once it goes into that cheek man…
Ayo?
I thought I was the only one who heard it....Skip is crazy
He want some of that Shaqoroni, on god
@@johnthonig8832 4:06 is where he begins to fantasize
Ayo! 🤣
I think I said pause like 3 times when he said that🤣🤣🤣
Nobody:
Skip: if your the GOAT you just figure that out you gotta stop a hot spurs team from shooting 3's 😂
Shannon’s humor and smile make my day sometimes
At some point "who is the GOAT" means "who is your favourite player".
Lmao it’s been that point. Everybody favorite was Jordan so that’s why people say he the goat
@@kingkd6965 Nonsense. He's the GOAT not only because of his accolades, but because there were literally no weaknesses in his game. Lebron?? Can't say that...and 'ya Lebron SIMPs know that.
@@clovers-zi5fe People love pointing out that Bron has won everywhere he's been but is that really a good thing? He's probably one of, if not the only, superstar you can't build a dynasty with. He signs with a team, recruits a few all stars and vets, convinces management to hire a yes man of a coach, then he runs as soon as they can no longer give him what he needs. Jordan helped build something that stood the test of time. No, he didn't do it alone but he was a major catalyst.
@@TDJesus88 Lmao Agreed!
@@clovers-zi5fe there was a weakness his 3 point shooting was barely or wasnt average
Skip getting his excuses ready early for when Bron gets the scoring title… We gonna hear the same argument 100 times from him this year 😂
Ive never heard anyone say kareem has the scoring record souly due to longevity, it's always he had the unstoppable move no one could stop him
And he was playing in the weakest slowest era ever and only won 4 more rings because of magic. Kareem is overrated.
Jordan had the best 6 to 8 year stretch ever. He had the best coach. The best supporting cast. Call it what it is…. Not everyone is that luckily.
Jordan is better
@@javiiannyb9177 Jordan has never been the goat. It's about marketability and advertisement. He used to be on every commercial, people die over his shoes, he hates rap but has the most hip hop supporters. As for his accolades, what about other legends accolades? Does Kareem not matter? What about Wilt, could he not beat Jordan?
Whatever. Phil jackson wasn't a great coach until he met jordan. Best supporting cast ? He had pip and rodman so nope. Lebron has had way more help.
He led the Bulls in 1 category. Scoring.
@@PullThePluGzBoth role players. Bosh the lost overrated so called star ever. Ray Allen was washed avg about 7 pts a game. Nice try
"The Chosen one became the frozen one" This has to be a line he's got tattoed at this point.
Self hate NIS please do better
They got blew off the floor by a record finals margin.
@@mtdubdachamp6917 I've never seen anything like it
That really sums up the comparison between him & the great MJ, he never froze......6RINGZ!!!!
yea but mj is known fir scoring but lbj got more points best all time u can say what u want say skip son but lbj is the goat
"Your eyes dont get that color from drinking no wine" 😂😂😂
You sound like a hater to me🥱
I'm glad somebody caught that salute you sir 🤣
@@puncho8799 you sound dumb to me. Shannon said that, hence the quotations the guy put up...lmao.
LMAO I was crying
@@B.K.7 For him to even ask a question about Jordan eyes when the video is not even about that is stupid just like you👌🏽🤡
Shannon at 11:11 with amusement and facial expressions when "the Bron's all time hater" Skip sings Lebron's stats compared to Legendary Kareem's always get me.😂😂😂😂🤣🤣
both sides of this discussion were *incredibly* well stated. so much fun!!!
Bro whoever inspires you, that’s ur goat 🐐
Respects to Lebron if he breaks the record
Very well said bro 💯✊🏾
Robin Lopez inspires me, he is the Goat (makes no sense)
💯💯💯
Great comment
Yep. At the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. I personally didn't watch Jordan when he was in his prime and I don't care much for James, so I don't really care about this argument.
Goat is a subjective moniker. I grew up in the 80s and became an adult by the time jordan retired. He is my goat and I have no problem with people before me thinking Kareem is the goat and I have no problem with people after me thinking lebron is their goat. All generational players 🤷♂️
Agreed. The difference is Kareem never called himself the Goat... MJ never did either... Lebron has
Exactly. Kobe is my goat. Harden is my baby brothers goat. It’s subjective af
@@StayTru101 damn harden..? As an older brother I’d suggest you have a little talk 😂 it’s so true though.. dirk is my goat
@@Jameshowardadventures lol I know man but these kids love harden man. Once he gets a ring it’ll show more
@@StayTru101 aint no way he said harden lmao. He gotta be young young
I'm rolling with tears in my eyes. Big play shay and the color in his eyes 👀 parts 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Kareem had 6 rings, 6 MVPs and has held the leader in all-time scoring since he passed Chamberlain in 1984 so for almost 40 years now. How is Labron going to pass him on the all-time goat list just based on points?
How many final mvps Kareem has ?🤡
Kareem wasn't nearly the all around player that LeBron is, and he wasn't even the best player on his team for a handful of those titles once Magic took over. LeBron is adding a record that people thought would never be broken, and he's doing it in a legitimate fashion while he's still one of the best players in the league.
There is a difference between breaking the scoring title by limping across, and actually breaking it while you're still great. LeBron is essentially averaging 29 ppg on a 52 fg%.
Big men arent goats cuz they cant affect the game as effectively as a sf/sg cuz they can shoot jumpets drive defend perimeter and create opportunities a big man gon need someone to pass it to him
Did Unc really just say “yo eyes don’t get that color from that stuff” 😂😂😭😭
He ain’t lying 😂😂😂
Longevity is also part of greatness
no. if you keep on losing!!!!!!
@@sharondeleon4950 so when a guy has a bad team but wins rookie of the year it's okay but if he's old doing great things it's not???
Longevity doesn’t make you the greatest…having the highest peak and the and being the BEST PLAYER makes you the greatest. Jordan at his best is head and shoulders is better than everyone who has ever played. 6’6 and he’s arguably the best athlete if not flat out the best athlete to play basketball and he’s the most skilled/fundamentally sound player of all time…that right there is a player with no weaknesses
@ Dominique wilson so a person who's good but only plays a couple years can be the greatest??? Playing a long time and staying healthy is part of it. That said I have Lebron at #2 & MJ at #1. Don't know what I said but seems like your arguing with me over nothing
You sound dumb, so you only supposed to be great for a short amount of time?
I am always so impressed with Shannon sharp's basketball knowledge of history
Lmao the back and forth about Brady and lebron in the middle of the video was amazing banter
Comparing players from different eras is beyond dumb
Yet it will continue to happen in EVERY SINGLE FORM OF ENTERTAINMENT. From Basketball players, to boxers, to football players, to rappers and movie actors.....This is what humans do
It if it’s in the same sport.
Yeah even MJ said that 😂
Skip “I’ve never seen anything quite like it” Bayless
2:16 unc had me dying with that reaction
“I knew where he threw the ball” LMFAOO I love Shay shay
Only comment I been looking for😂
Unc with the big flex 💪"I got em both, y'all need to ask somebody else"😂😂😂
I didn’t watch it yet but i already know Skyp went back the 2011 finals
2007 and 2018 he got swept.....don't forget that....
@@maxb4318 yeah MJ got swept twice aswell :)
@@maxb4318 mj had it worse when he lost
@@maxb4318 I'm not a LeBronsexual by any means, but 2007 and 2018 are definitely not negatives.
@@soulzy3596 not in the finals. Who hasn't got swept in the playoffs.....
When Kareem got the all time scoring record with his titles and MVPs, why weren't people calling him the 🐐
LJ had a great coach in Erik Spoetra even though it was for a short time Shannon And Spoetra is great at strategizing at both ends of the court, so to say LJ never had an elite head coach so far just to make him look good is false but I agree with Skip that LJ is mostly his own coach and that should be a compliment in a way because of his LJ's very high basketball IQ.
Dru Joyce his High School coach is also won of the smartest Coaches.
People in Germany played with Dru Joyce Son and they said, he is one of the smartest basketball players they every played with.
And he got that from his Father. LeBrons former high school Coach.
Tye lue will be Hall of Fame
Nun of his coaches were Phil Jackson
@@wncbizzle4687 Of course none of his coach were Phil Jackson but let's not act like LJ never had a very good coach at all so far in his career because he had Erik Spoetra in Miami and he's pretty good at game planning and making adjustments.
@@bolo5190 but Lebron never had pippen or Rodman
Someone please remind Skip that Brady had the ball last in those two Super Bowls he lost to Eli Manning and did not get it done. Period. Eli did not win the game with no time left. Brady HAD a chance to win but didn't get it done.
Yep
Thank you. Every athlete fails. None won a ring every season they played
He also had the football against the Eagles too and turned the football over
I want to hear Skip bring up longevity with Brady
Superman has his kryptonite, and Brady has his, ELI is his kryptonite.
I love when Shannon trips up and mixes up 🏀 and 🏈 . He said when lebron won the superbowl..uh I'm mean the championship
Ha ha. It’s because he doesn’t have an argument. His Logic is bassackwards
@J.B Cooper excuses excuses. I breathe hoops and I never say stupid ish like Lebron scored a touchdown or made an extra point. 😂
@J.B Cooper yes. What’s your point.
They saying whatever your passion in sports is you usually go back to your root sport when talking about sports 🙄 it's a common thing when talkin
@@jontraylynch5637 lol. “They Say”. No it isn’t common. There’s not a single shred of proof of this. Ha ha.
I need Shannon sharp to take one out of Tsu surf book vs Skip. Skip talking bout 2011. ‘That was 10 years ago, how the heck he still amazing’ 😂
Skip answering a direct Brady question with a rebuttal question is soooo classic skip
Michael Jordan won as many rings as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in 5 years less time. MJ's peak from 1987-1998 is the greatest peak anybody in the NBA ever had. Shaq had the best one-year season in 2000. Unstoppable force of nature.
But bro who was he really playing against on a night to night basis ? Dont start naming legends im talkn bout in the 82 regular game season like cmon bro he was playin against a bunch of milkmen and college professors like them mfa stood no chance against mj lmaooo
You mean when he was playing triple baseball like a scrub? So MJ never played for the Wizards?
@@Jscrizle but thats not a detriment to his legacy. MJ didnt have control over the level of talent in the NBA. What was he supposed to do? Hand pick every single nba player in the league at the time? Come on now. Who was Kareem playing against? Who was Wilt? Who was Bill? Matter of fact the NBA boom that caused actual athletes to start competing in the NBA happened because of MJ. So if anything that’s just another notch on his belt. He made the NBA a global sports org. He inspired talent not just in the US, but in countries all over. Lebron has too, so did Kobe but neither will ever be credited with popularizing the game. Jordans legacy is untouchable. Every nba player who got a shoe deal rn? Thank Jordan. Every nba player making more than 1Mil? Thank Jordan. The whole “goat” argument is invalid. It will always be MJ. We can argue “best player all time” since thats only measured by talent and accomplishments. GOAT is timeless. His touch on the game WILL NEVER be matched.
@@Yatu-sabes I mean sure he can have the “ goat “ title if bron gets the best of all time title 😂
But today's generation will not count his Milwaukee ring
Shannon: makes good point
Skip: "all i know is the chosen one became the frozen one in 2011"
Who cares about what you think kiddo ?
@@lesa8315 somebody don’t like bron
Every time
@@lesa8315 lmao, but he didnt lie
That’s true he did freeze
These two got mad chemistry
6 Championships, 6 FMVPs, 5 MVPs, 10 Scoring titles, 1 DPOY
Remember 15 years ago, Kobe was a threat to Michael Jordan. This is why Kobe was so hated in his prime. Had Mark Jackson saying Kobe will go down as the greatest ever. Had Jemele Hill writing it. The media easily forgets.
Kobe wasn't a threat stop it
Kobe is barely top 10 wtf are you talking about lmao
You’re right. As great Kobe was, they did try to hype him as better…come to find out…he wasn’t.
Facts. And tbh, LeBron never passed Kobe. Stats are for losers. If the scoring record is so prestigious then why isn't Kareem regarded worldwide as the goat? Only Jordan haters throw kareems name around.
It's almost like they will say that about whoever is the best player at the time to build hype......crazy right?
Debate is subjective, will never end. But Skip will now remove Shaq from his top 3, the Diesel saying LeBron will become GOAT must have given him a heart attack 😆
No goat losses more championships then they have won. No goat quits on their team when they're losing. LeBron never won 3 straight championships twice. LeBron never won 9 scoring titles . LeBron is only a longevity star in a league full if weak defense. LeBron has put together teams in order to win.
LeBron wouldn't have won a championship if he didn't bail on the Cavaliers the first time.
@@jamescoldeyes4426 All I 👀 is a hater 😆 🤣
@@jamescoldeyes4426 Lebron didn’t have a Pippen in Cleveland.
@@randylouissaint1636 Lebrons played alon side more Allstars then anyone in history of the game. He has no excuses. He isn't that great when it comes down to it. Tony Romo was the same, he had amazing stats all through his career, but when it came to the big games, he wasn't goat material!
@@jamescoldeyes4426 Isn’t that great. Yea that’s how I’d describe Bron. Most playoff points, finals points, finals assists, playoff assists, 4 rings, 4 MVPs, 4 finals MVPs isn’t that great. Romo is the same. I remember he had all those MVPs when he played. And those 4 Super Bowls.
Y'all be moving the goal post every year!!
Any body else that drives for a living listen to skip and Shannon videos while they drive?
Shannon's mind's like a filing cabinet he can easily remember the LeBron's stat for every year and that absolutely amazes me.😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Except for 2011, he don't ever want to talk about them NBA finals stats 🤣🤣
When you're a bronsexual, you remember..
@@mcclary44 I guess ima dwade/Bron/drose/KDsexual
Good at his Job!
Researchers and Producers lol
6-0
NO GAME 7s IN ANY FINALS
PLAYED ONLY 15 SEASONS TO ACHIEVE ALL OF THIS !
bonus: won defensive player of the year as a 6'6 guard
didn’t even sniff a Finals without another HallOfFame player
Whenever you bring up any fact against him it's automatically hating I see....but people can bring up things against Lebron all day.
@@goodsbys0120 exactly
@@sin2tymes65 fact not hate
@@mauricegary9940 weak argument lebron had 2 all stars on his team when he went to the finals and join dwade that won a chip before he got there scottie was a bench player when he came in the league
The word that always comes to mind to me is opportunity whenever this conversation is being had. Every time you step on the court there's a new opportunity to put points up! Michael Jordan put up 34,000 points in basically 13 years.because he broke his foot in year two.. and in 1995 he only came back with 17 games left to play. And those count as full seasons when we talk about Michael Jordan's 15 years!
16:17 Smh Skip was even taking jabs at Shannon’s career two years ago
Shannon, I needed a good laugh today and you certainly delivered. Thank you!
Nothing like a great teammate telling his teammates to give him the damn ball.
If they can't or are unwilling to do what he does, then ummm...🤔🤫
@@wPOTH1 how many teams have had that blamed on them now? How this dude choose every team he goes to but his fanboys say he never gets any help? Maybe he just makes his teammates worse?
Like Kobe hu
"Yo eyes don't get that color from wine" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Shay: "BUT, I'm just saying, when they needed a play? They call ME!" 😂
Tell him Shay! You need a big a play? You dial extension #84.
Erik Spoelstra is a Hall of Fame coach.
His accomplishments so far:
1.523-363 regular season record
2.71-47 postseason mark
3.eight postseason appearances
4.six division titles
5.four conference championships
6.guiding the franchise to a pair of NBA championships.
In 12 seasons
But when lebum left did they ever win a finals
@@yoelswisa1388 Pop without Duncan? Still HOFer
Anyone can win a ring with Lebron,Wade,& Bosh all in their prime
@@andrewsmith3257 is doc rivers a hall of fame coach?
But what did he win after Lebron tho? I think that’s Shannon’s point
Why is it that when I saw the title I knew they were going to bring up Brady 😂
What makes Skips argument valid is the fact that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar has several rings, has led the all-time scoring all these years and no one has called him The goat LOL
Jerry West the greatest evaluator of talent told Terrell Owens & Matthew Hatchette on their Getcha Popcorn Ready Podcast that Michael Jordan is the greatest Basketball player he has ever seen and he has seen ALL of the great players play in their primes.
NBA Street Vol. 2 is the greatest basketball video game. I love using '96 MJ to school Kobe over and over again. Kobe kills me too. MJ, Bird, and Wilt vs. Kobe, Shaq, and either T-Mac or Pierce. I win about 90% on legendary.
It’s time skip get some new arguments, every segment concerning Lebron he brings up the same stuff
It’s called consistency lol
Ka-witt-ing
Record Finals margin
Superstar meltdown
Never seen anything like it
Had to be sedated
Literally Skip EVERY episode
If I hear him say "The Chosen One became the Frozen One" one more time I'm gonna lose my mind
He's beating a dead horse
Cause it's true. He has flaws in his diamonds. Jordan doesn't he never cracked at all
Look I’m all for the Bron and MJ debate but there are some players who are so slept on when it comes to the GOAT conversation. Kareem, Magic and Duncan. Im sure majority would think these guys will lose in goat debate easily but look at their stats and achievements, we can make a case for these guys
Big play Shay “hello, hello” lmaooo
MJ played both ends of the court. The only Scoring champ to win DPOY, scoring title, NBA title, MVP and finals MVP during an era with the most HOF players and HOF true centers....ever. GOAT.
Please, MJ guarded a bunch of small players. MJ guarded, Hornaseck, Ehlo, Ainge, Stockton MJ never matched up with any big guards. That was Pippen's job. And MJ was an off the ball defender.
@@giovanniwilliams9009 You don't know basketball very well. Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler, Sean Elliot, Dale Ellis, Nick Anderson, Mitch Richmond, Allen Houston, Latrelle Spreewell, Stacey Augmon, Steve Smith, Kendal Gill, Gerald Wilkins, and more. Learn the game or you come off looking pretty stupid.
I love how Skip says the scoring title doesn't mean a thing but then mentions Jordan has ten individual season scoring titles I also love how he talks about LeBron got beat in five games in the finals against the spurs four to one but never mentioned mj got swept out of the first round twice
People also don't mention LeBron's first few years, wanna share his record?
@@damienlee927 Lebrons first few years were better than mjs first few years
@@damienlee927 a big part of that is the fact he was 18 fresh out of high school on a team with zero help
Being the greatest scorer means alot so when lebron gets it its a huge compliment, but it does not make him the goat. The goat his when you were at your prime how much did you dominate. Jordan in his time as a bull was the best I have ever seen. Sorry lebron had too many blemishes when he was on top. I give lebron props for what he as done, but he ain't the goat.
@@zacharydegraeve5264 u mean the mailmen he played?😂😂 yeah pretty good competition
I agree with Skip’s point on this scoring record being “a longevity record” , but when it comes to going word for word with Shannon he can’t win
Meaning lebron the goat
@@yoelswisa1388 nah, not at all
Definitely what it mean, could same the same for Tom Brady
@@JimyOfficial you talking two different situations with Brady and LeBron. I’ll give it to you with Brady though. At least he has a winning record (7-3) when he’s playing on the big stage.. but it sounds like you’re giving Bron goat because he’s been playing for 50 years and just so happened to have passed just about everybody in scoring.. that won’t distract us from his Final’s record sir… KD will do the same if he plays the same amount of years, but that won’t make him the goat either….
Am I the only one thinking Shannon took a dig at Tony Gonzalez with that "Some people get in the hall of fame without a ring" hahahahaha
Michael Jordan: 6x finals mvp 9x first team all defense finished top 5 in scoring even though he retired twice is one of a few players to win DPOY and MVP in the same year
So?
Not to mention he retired twice and came back and after playing pro baseball just to win 3 more chips. But youngsters won't ever understand which is cool with me. I remember when I was young and dumb.
That means nothing
Michael Jordan: 6x finals mvp 9x first team all defense in the league for 15 years only went to the finals 6 times got booted in the playoffs 9 times
@@TrojanTrademark so? Goat.
Michael Jordan top 5 in offense, top 5 in defense too. Name someone else's that comes close to this resume.
Kareem lmao
1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. Russell
4. Wilt
5. Magic/Bird
Each of these players can be credited with either saving the sport of basketball, or taking it to a new height it has never been before. They're untouchable
Shaq's been treating Jordan like the undisputed goat forever, and now all of a sudden if Lebron breaks this record (which we all knew he was going to for about 4 years now), that's enough to completely turn his stance on it? I don't completely buy it but it is Shaq so maybe he's just talking just to talk.
Jordan was still winning everything (team and individual) at the age of 35… Nobody else ever has. 🤷🏻♂️
Jordan is the greatest period hands down...but at age 35 he wasn't winning everything far as individual...thts simple not true
So was Bron tf ? 😂😂 at age 35 he won finals MVP and championship what are you on?
@@rovan9174 He wasn’t league MVP, scoring champ or 1st team all defence. I mean ‘everything.’
@@rovan9174 No real Lakers fan counts the bubble as a true championship. I sure don't. Also, i know you can't control these things but I still wouldn't have counted that as much since they didn't even face the Clippers or the Bucks.
@@stevegriffey8255 1st team all defense is so overrated from that era. he wasn't even the best on his team. we act like MJ guarded malone but that is simply not true. truth is we can't even remember 15 plays from a game last week but her eyou are ...probbaly close to 40s, acting like you remember every mj play from 25 years ago lol.
MJ guarded much smaller players. bron ate guys like Rose and Curry for lunch. it's not the same game. MJ and Phil won numerous titles with the triangle. you do that today and you're not making college basketball...let alone nba. there's a reason for that
Shannon personality is just stress reliever 💯💯💯
Love Shannon
I keep saying this-- Undisputed is so much better than First Take. These guys have a good attitude, they have fun, and the show has so much more energy plus better conversations.
“You need to ask someone who doesn’t have both” 😂😂😂
Stats are just one component of the GOAT conventions, Emmitt Smith is the all time yards leader & was great but not a lot of people who consider him the greatest. Some records you get from longevity & health.
Agreed
He’s gonna have the most points ever! And top 5 in ast and top ten rebounds how can you hold the fact that he was good for a long time
@@Stillactive1 you are right. He had the longest prime. Doesn’t make him the goat. Jordan was simply better during his prime than Lebron was.
Emmitt is the GOAT
YEAR 19.. there’s health & longevity for you
Skip needs to thank Lebron for making him relevent the past 10 years. He even got him a new gig at FS1.
People watch this to watch Skip and Shannon not bc of who they talk about lol
@@catwearingshades lies. Skip gets paid for trolling about lebron so of course they got a lebron fan in Shannon to co host
Lebron needs to thank Skip for always keeping him in the headlines i agree with ya lol
@@jasontorres9844 Bru can u read cuz nobody said that
@@jasontorres9844 you no speaky?
Tom Brady just threw his 600th touchdown. I GUARANTEE you Skip not gone call that a longevity award.
Has anyone noticed Skip’s been actin alot different lately lol, ever since they got into it he’s been a really nice 😂😂😂😂
This is an old video bud
Magic: "It's Michael Jordan then it's everybody else"
Exactly
Magic: "Bird is the best I've ever played against."
@@jahleelx9270 Nobody with a brain think Bird is the GOAT. It's just Bronsexuals trying to muddy the waters when they suggest anyone other than Jordan
@Beery and your point is what exactly?
@@MindoftheNorthStar I didn't say anything about bird being the goat. I said magic said bird was the best he ever played against and he did.
Skip: I am so disappointed....
Shannon: hahahahahaha yessssss
Me: I know it hurt, I know it hurt
@9:01 This is the greatest part of the segment LMAO
Lol skip is something else
If MJ played in today’s era where there is zero defense and everything is called a foul his numbers would be insane. No doubt he would have even more rings too.
Imagin these guys today playing back in the day where if u played zone or doubled for more than 2 seconds u get 2 free throws
@@teflon7301 people don’t say this enough. Illegal defense was a huge advantage back then for the offensive players. Imagine LeBron of you had to give him single coverage or commit to a double team.
Lol whatever, easy to say since you can’t prove it.
Nah he would have to play the lakers and warriors in the finals.. not the Sonics, jazz, blazer, or suns
What did MJ do in Washington??? Why didn't MJ win 2 rings in Washington? ???
Skip is the epitome of: “you can’t make everybody happy.” Pure hate 🤦🏿♂️ smh.
Then STOP WATCHING...
@@Disxreet no Shannon on the show
@@Disxreet tell him again..
@@Disxreet stop being sensitive lmao
@@Disxreet 🤣🤣🤣
HOW ?
Jordan retired for 2 year's in his "PRIME"
( Would've been 8 championship )
6'6 215 not 6'9 250 mauling threw everyone.
Wouldn't you think less games to achieve a scoring record is more, Impactful!
Jordan stayed with 1 team never had a Kyrie,Wade, AD.
He was a wizard pop
i love how yall stams gloss over him having one of the goat coaches, having the most accurate 3 point shooter, one of the best defender and rebounders in rodman, having the best european player in the league in kukoc. and god, how yall downplay scottie, who not only had more rebounds and assists than jordan, but was in fact the better defender than jordan. yall will never admit the bulls were a superteam, mj never got anywhere without pip and pj.
Jordan had Pippen, who was one of the best pivots in history. Not to mention a Hall of Fame head coach in Phil Jackson.
@Mike S mow see what youre doing? youre speculating without having intimate knowledge of what was really happening. you can call him soft all you want, he out rebounded jordan in that same tough era, he had more assist, was a better shooter and defender. and almos led the bulls to another ring the year mj was not hard enough to continue another run for the chip
@Mike S Michael Jordan never made it to the finals without Scottie Pippen, Scottie Pippen made it to the finals without Michael Jordan ‼️💯
Shannon killed him with that how many Hall of Fame coaches does LeBron have? Had Skip stuttering.. 😂
Shay: Your eyes don’t get that color from drinking wine, priceless 🤣🤣🤣
I thought that was normal for dark skinned people
@@sundigest1121 I’m a dark skinned brother and my eyes ain’t nowhere close to being that color
I perfectly comfortable with Kareem being the GOAT. It’s a subjective title to be sure. However, Kareem is the most successful basketball player of all time, which I think gets frequently overlooked.
For top 3, I have Jordan usually at number one, then Kareem or Lebron. But none of them drop below top 3.
Magic never won a ring without Kareem
how is Kareem more successful than Bill Russell ?
You know why centers are not usually put on top. Because they have natural advantage they are bigger. Would choose someone who jas post and do one thing sky hook. Than someone who most of the time needs to shoot or drive. and the later championships won by kareem he was not the leader anymore it was magic.
@@ryansandoval8119 Magic retired when he was reigning MVP in his prime tho. Dude retired because he got Aids
Just a reminder ever since the mavs series , in the finals LeBron has avg 30,10, and 8
But put up 8 points in a finals game that year 👀
@@gregreongreen9176 yep lebron aint gon be the goat even if he changes his dna into goat dna mj is the goat undisputed
@@okdude8215 nah Lebron is the goat
@@dakprescottsattorney7906 he's a great player but he doesn't have a single three peat meaning he didn't have an era where he dominated in the lebron era the Warriors ate, the Spurs ate, the Lakers ate so how is it his era?
@@okdude8215 he went to the finals 8 times in a row then skipped a year and went back and he didn’t dominate 💀💀 everybody ate when Jordan played to. Jordan didn’t just play 6 seasons even though y’all desperately want everyone to think he did like he was a god. He played bums compared to the athletes today
Did he have the nerve to mention David Blatt boy bye 🤣