Better 3D Printer? Creality SE vs Creality KE
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- čas přidán 23. 02. 2024
- I compared two of the most popular machines on the market right now, the Creality Ender 3 V3 SE and the Creality Ender 3 V3 KE! One is Marlin based, the other Klipper and although they look very similar, they are vastly different 3D printers for different people, but I think you'll be surprised at their print results.
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00:00 Intro
#3DPrinting #creality #creality3d - Věda a technologie
Nice comparison between them. Makes it easier for most newbies to understand and then decide what their budget allows them to spend. Keep it simple and to the point.
Thank you! That's exactly what I was going for. I've had to answer this question in comments and in our live show a thousand times!
Nice camera switch between camera A and B! Loving the studio upgrades.
Thank you!
Very informative, i just bought the SE and everything works phenomenal 😊
Awesome!!
love my SE, didn't need any network stuff or runout sensor. added a pei sheet immediately, changed the hotend fan to a 4020, runs fantastic, price is amazing saw it on sale not too long ago for $170
Great price! Thanks for sharing!
I bought the SE then saw a video about the KE and needed a comparison and this did it so I'm just keeping the SE and dealing with what I got. Thank you so much this is what I needed.
I really like the SE, the print results are great! And thank you!
Dude, very informative thanks 🙏
Thanks you!
very informative video greatly appreciate it!
Very welcome!
Very Informative, Thanks Bro
You are so welcome! Thank you for watching.
I really like the SE for simplicity and intuitiveness for beginners especially, along with the analog handle as opposed to touch screen.
Yes!!!
I was thinking about getting a new v3. this helped a lot.
Awesome!
Don't forget the V3 non SE or KE is totally different. ;)
V3 Core XZ is a COMPLETELY different machine
Between SE, KE and just V3. The worst one is V3, to expensive and has to many issues. The best one is KE, it's in the middle with it's price but really works the best.
@bl4de938 after print testing the V3, KE, SE, and CR10SE(WILD CARD) in PLA, PETG, TPU, ABS/ASA. I am not going to dispute your claim the KE is the best of the 4. But I would have to say from worse to best the V3 is still better then the SE and CR10SE.
CR10SE - it's just an Ender 3 S1 with today's best mods installed out the box.
SE - Gantry and y rods are not very Stable. Slow Comapred to other new gen printers. I modded the crap out of mine to even compete with the other 3. New Rails on Y and X, flowtech nozzle, Pei sheet, gantry stabilizers, anti vibration feet, filament runout, spool holder relocation and KLIPPER.
V3 - Overpriced But Fast (302 hours in NO Issues (yet))
KE - Gantry and y Rods Unstable but best bang for your buck. Speed, Linear Rail (on X only), Klipper, Price, Hotend and Parts availability.
I'm going with SE. And I would say I'm so satisfied with it. So for so good. No chronic problem. New release printer. Everything so smooth and working fine. Thank you for your comparison.
The SE is such a good machine, I really like it!
I have been looking at a few reviews on these machines now since I am interested in getting a 3D printer to make some models that I create in Blender! What I can tell so far the differences are not that big but I was worried about the SE only having the SD card since I honestly have no idea how you are supposed to be able to transfer files to the machine from one of those cards.
I also wondered since I am new to these printers and have no experience with them. What is really recommended, is it just what is prefered for one self and can the printers work from any room? Do they have to be in a workshop or does a regular room with a flat surface work fine?
Would appreciate any tips or advice on the matter! Thanks for a great video ♥
SD cards are the normal route, they can be connected to any Mac or PC. If your computer doesn’t have an SD cars slot, there are inexpensive accessories for your PC that allow you to connect it. Less than a few dollars.
All of the printers I show, you can absolutely run them in your home on any flat surface.
Alright! Thank you so much for getting back to me, I will have a look for sure!@@LoyalMoses
I really wanted to see this comparison. Thank you
Absolutely! Thank you for watching. A LOT of people had asked for this, these are such popular options.
Thank you for the video. Just the one that I needed to see. I initially wanted to buy A1, but KE seems to be right choice now.,
KE is a great machine for the price!!!
@@LoyalMosesThank you
Very welcome!
The V3KE is almost the best high speed bed slinger imo. I had one before my K1C and it was fantastic, the linear rod on the X axis is so much better than the linear rods most companies like to use now, and of course better than V rollers. Print quality is great, noise levels are low, and you can root the machine + add input shaper for increased print quality.
It's a great machine.
Thanks for the video keep them coming. Do you think these printers are better than the elgoo Neptune 4 series printers? Also would you recommend going with one of these more budget printers like the creality or elgoo, or saving a little bit more and getting a A1 series printer. Mainly talking about general speed, quality, and reliability.
Thank you so much! I think you'll have the best experience with a Bambu machine. It is the best user and print experience that exists. Outside of that, I really like the Neptunes A LOT!
@@LoyalMoses Awesome, thanks for the response I appreciate it.
Ni ce video. I've pull the trigger for the KE version few days ago.
By the way SE sheet is PC (polycarbonate)
Thanks and my mistake! That is definitely not PEI!
Hi, loved the vid. Have u heard of the newly planned ender 3 v3, not se or ke just flat ender 3 v3
Thanks! We’ll have that machine soon for content.
i just curious about the filament laying on the back, is it okay to put it like that ? or did u have some problem after that ? like fragile and stringy? thanks
I am in a low humidity area, so it is okay for me.
Really throwing me this 3d printing world! Started looking at where to go - being a complete newby, was looking at Bambu P1S,but now the KE has my attention. Never had any experience before and want something that works and can produce good results - will probably use to make tools and accessories for woodworking / laser projects -just don’t know if I can justify the extra cost of the Bambu!
It really depends on your budget and purpose. The Bambu will give you the best experience that exists in 3D printing, while these machines are solid budget / tinkering options.
@@LoyalMosesthanks for the advice - love the channel and content - I’ll let you know which way I go when I make the plunge! Keep the content coming!
Absolutely! I would love to know which one you chose. Also, come join us in our discord! We have an amazing community that is super helpful! loyal.ms/discord
The se you can connect Thru the usb c. Cable.
And print directly from cura
Yes, most printers can connect directly via USB.
G'day m8....i just picked up the SE from a electronics chain here in Australia (today) for about $140usd, i Paid $249aud. i have the Ender 3v2 i started on in 2020, now its getting on in age, so in the last 8 months i picked up a Kywoo Tycoon Max, a Neptune 4 pro (won in xmas comp) and now i picked up the Ender 3v3 SE. My V2 im gonna retire her for now as we are in this new high speed printing age and i could do with the space it takes. Big Cheers on the well layed out vid, you came across very easy to understand, from A M8 Downunder🙃
Very cool! Cheers!
I'm a total noob and saw the $249 for the SE @ Jaycar. Thinking this might be a nice way to start off.
@@thedronedownunder3919 im in Brisbane m8.....and if ya starting...... this is very noob friendly printer,,,plenty of upgrades to print for this printer..cheers
@@genemaster74 Hey im from perth and wanting to print molds for concrete and plaster casting. Before going ahead and buying is there a way your able to tell is cement has any reaction with the standard PLA material? id hate to spend $279 on the printer for a single purpose then find out it cant be used for what i plan on doing lol.
@@ExposeClothing G'day from Brisbane.....ive not much info on the process your after.....but i would suggest looking up printed molds on youtube....there is plenty as thay have poped up in my feed, hopefully someone there can guide you on your printing journey. Kind regards A M8 Downunder
Hello , I never used a 3D printer. I have got two options one is KE other one ise K1. Which one do you recommend I buy?
Oh, that's a tough one! The K1 is a great machine and so is the KE! I feel like the K1 is going to be a better printer in the long run, but either is a great choice for a new user.
@@LoyalMoses Thank you for the answer, I think I will buy K1 or wait for V3, it was very difficult to decide.
Hi what do you think about the max acceleration speeds on the se being 4000 for x,y,z and e
Not sure!
Yes I guessed right from the extruder coverings
Nice guess then! 🔥
I own Creality Ender 3 KE printers, I actually like it so much I now own 5 of them. Just a couple simple things to know if you do purchase one of these.
1. Make sure the Voltage is set correctly for the power supply. All of mine came set to 230v and they need to be in the 115v position. If it is in the wrong position, it will continuously restart.
2. Make sure your pully screws are tight. The 2 main ones you have to concern yourself with is the one on the right side of the gantry and the one towards the rear under the build plate. Use the supplied allen wrenches to to make sure those are good and tight before calibrating.
3. Use gloves when touching the build plate. The oil from your fingers absolutely will prevent your filament from adhering to the plate.
Tip: One thing I do before I start printing is to take a little of that thermal grease supplied, and lightly coat the tip of your nozzle with it. (Do not clump it on there.) This will help prevent filament from sticking to the nozzle tip and allow for a cleaner extrusion. This will also drastically extend the life of your nozzle. (This tip is just something I do with all of mine and may not be helpful for you.)
Other than that, this has been a great printer and I have made some fantastic builds with it. Check the Creality Website for sales, and they arrive in about 3 days or so after ordering. I found them for $239 for the KE and $179 for the SE directly from Creality. Good Luck and enjoy!
WO! 5 of them!? Nice!
Is it possible to attach an engraving head ?
There's a new Creality Ender 3 V3 (coreXZ), Hope you could add that to the comparison in the future. 🙏
Absolutely!
I do not own a 3D printer, but have been considering buying one. I was able to easily identify the KE from the SE due to the filament detection sensor.
I hope you get one soon!
I have the cheaper model. I noticed the hanging filament on the face of the KE. It is an "overhang" and probably can adjust the speed and fan for that part of the print, or at that level. I have printed perfect prints on the SE and they are usable parts. I also have a total of 26 printers, many are Creality. But the printer that is impressing me for the money and for speed and filaments of any sort, is the Kingroon KLPi. Prints Nylon, NylonX, PETG, PLA, PETG-CF with no problems with the hot end supplied. It is Klipper as well fully wifi and open source. It rivals my Bambu Lab P1S with AMS, but obviously can't have filament changes on the KLPi during the printing. Bambu Lab is superior, in how it handles overhangs, but I think that is in their printing parameters/settings and the dual part fan set up. On the KLPi I can just print a fan outlet with dual side to side cooling. I have done that on many of the Ender products.
Anyway the cheaper of the two is fine for MOST people who do this for a hobby. I do it for work, for a private company. I bought a K1 Max and it never printed anything but PLA correctly. PETG: constant jams, stringing all over, and constant fixing the printer, with not much help from Creality as it was not a finished product. They would not take it back after them being slow to respond under warranty. I was still thinking it could be fixed just past the 3 months. It is not a professional printer at all.
Ah, we have two KLP1 machines here, the new 230mm sized one is nice!
I wonder what kind of performance you'd get out of an Ender 3 V3 SE on which you've installed Klipper on. The difference would be limited by the V-Rollers and hotends.
Hey Eric! We can always find out! :-)
@@LoyalMoses Have I found a use for the BTT pad besides playing Doom? 🤣
Hello im an entry level in 3d printing? what should i get the ke or the se?
I’d likely recommend the SE, it’s a GREAT experience. Also, welcome in!
Which one do you recommend kp3s pro v2 or ender 3 ke?
KE
Currently on my country I can get KE for $250, the SE for $179. I initially was looking at the SE but when I checked that it doesn't do ABS, I've considered the KE. This is my first time buying a 3D printer. I wanted to have the ability to do ABS so I wouldn't have the need buy another 3D printer down the line. Is ABS printing worth-it? Also what does it mean that I'll need an enclosure for ABS printing? Thanks!
I bought the KE after a few months without beer. What I saved was worth the difference to be honest, and made my liver happy!😏
Does the final product HAVE TO BE ABS? I mean chemically is that essential. There are advanced blends of performance filaments I print on a tiny original 2018 Ender. For example Form Futura TitanX. No stink, enclosure optional. Post print It can't be be solvent smoothed or welded with acetone but that could be a benefit or a deficit property to some people.
Those aren’t bad prices!
Hello! I have 2 questions, please can you be so kind and help me 🙂😇
1) If you have to choose one of those printers ,which one you think is the best in your opinion?
2) I used a Cookiecad PLA filament 1.75mm for cookie cutters (but that brand is to expensive for me right now, can you recommend me one brand similar?, please 🥺
Thank you.
SE for anyone and the KE for those that want speed and tinkering!
Polymaker is the brand I will always recommend, been using them for years!
Where can I get the filament warning device so I can attach it to the SE?
They sell them on their website, filament runout sensors
you can restrict access by installing moonraker and fluidd/mainsail and uninstalling the creality interface. you can do this using guilouz's k1/max script tool.
Yup, it’s linux, you can do anything, including install and play Doom. BUT, that is NOT for 99% of the buyers who will use this machine. It should have permissions enabled by default.
the SE runs a sprite extruder, but it uses a weird spider v2 style heatblock and nozzles.
A lot of proprietary parts now.
way too many proprietary parts when you consider that it's not even a performance gain to have that strangely sized nozzle.
Can ender v3 se use abs filament ?
Have u tried it
You could do ABS on it for sure, be careful with drafts and use an adhesive on the bed.
I really enjoy how you emphasize the positives and explain how they shine in their respective price range compared to more expensive printers, and that they still have a place in the home.
Thank you Shane! That’s exactly what I am trying to do. 💜
I did guess right, I've seen the KE and SE often enough to know the difference is in the Print head. KE has the fan exposed.
Awesome!
Which of the two printers operates more quietly?
Hmmm… I cannot recall for sure, I think the KE was louder.
How do they compare to the Elegoo Neptune 4? Thats kind of the best sub $300 bedslinger right now i think
Neptune 4 Plus video drops in 5 hours! I’ll do a compare soon!
The Plus is kinda a different animal i think. It seems to have some issues because Klipper speeds dont seem to like Large sized Elegoo printers much. The one I am thinking about getting is the actual Neptune 4 (non pro) which seems to be just a great machine with tons of features for like $260 and has tons of good reviews@@LoyalMoses
should i get cr-10 se or ender 3 v3 corexy
Not used a CR-10, but the V3 is a nice machine!
Awesome shirt
Thanks!
me looking at 3d printer comparisons and reviews knowing full well I just bought a P1S and dont have the money/space for another printer
So true! ❤️
V3 SE is the way to go for beginners to print PETG/PLA/TPU. The KE and the new whatever CoreXZ V3 make no sense. If you want print ABS,ASA and other advanced materials buy an already enclosed corexy fast printer.
Great points!
The V3 CORE XZ is a GREAT machine and DOES print ABS/ASA in an enclosure ($39 on Amazon). It is printing BETTER than both my 1st edition and second edition K1s. My SE and KE don't hold a candle to the REAL V3 (core xz). I have been printing non stop with it for last 3 days not one failure. I would HIGHLY recommend the V3 core XZ over the KE or SE anyday.
EDIT: I have to change my tune. The KE is the supreme of the three V3. Bang for Buck Hands Down. The CORE XZ yes is faster (by minutes not hours) but honestly the quality is a little better on the KE. And for more then $100 difference you are better off with the KE.
I bought the k1. It was trash I’m now trying to go back to a ended 3 with enclosure to print carbon fiber lol
The lack of network connectivity on SE is a deal-breaker for me.
Some of us don't have 600 dollars for a printer though
The thing is Bro if you want 4 KE,s V,s 4 SE,s it's going to cost more but not if you get a Sonic pad for 4 SE,s I'd take the 4 SE,s with a Sonic pad over 4 KE,s 👍🇦🇺
Great advice!
Really nice comparison.
Creality is terrible at naming their printers though. 😂
Wait until the 4 V3 K SE V2! 😉 Thanks!
My guy!!!
JAY! How are you?!
@@LoyalMosesGood brotha! Stayed up late as i could last night watch stream haha love your content it inspires me to print and explore creating!!
Awesome! That makes me super happy!
I personally don't like ender3 style machines v wheels are ancient technology, off topic question, what's your favorite filament brand ?
Polymaker and Bambu are my sponsors, and I specifically brought them on board because I love their filament. Also like Amolen.
I ended up getting a v3 SE , got it brand new for $130 so i coulnt pass that by. I have noticed in my Facebook Creality groups that the KE has a lot of issues for some reason and the SE hardly has any.
Great deal!
Yeh, I see the v wheels. So no. If you are looking for a quiet printer, great. For performance and reliabilty I would only consider the KE. Sovol SV06 and SV06 plus are basicly Prusa clones, at better prices than Crealty or Prusa. The Sovol's do need a larger y-axis motor drop in replacement immediately, which costs about $20.
Sovol makes great machines!
The funny thing is a lot of cosplayers print in grey so that when they do the body fills and spray primers they can see the flaws they need to sand down more. 🤣
Exactly! It shows EVERYTHING! 😳
This difference maker for me is Klipper. Marlin is hell
It’s getting more popular.
the ke has a pei sheet but the SE comes with a not as textured-but not smooth PC build sheet, polycarbonate and not pei
Yup, I caught that later - it's a PC plate.
The $80 for the ke is well worth it. If you were to upgrade the SE into KE it would cost much more.
Definitely! The reason I don’t just simple recommend the KE over the SE is because $80 is a lot of money to many people, and the SE is still a great machine!
I have the KE. The gantry of the printer isn't strong enough to hold the filament spool 🧵 and print with such speeds. To be honest I wouldn't recommend it to people new to 3D printing. At such speeds you need input shaping sensors
I haven’t experienced it being not strong enough, we’ve ran it quite fast and it wiggles, but was fine.
I got it right only because I own the SE
Was easy to spot for ya! AWESOME!
So for the KE you're really paying ~70 extra for a filament runnout sensor and better interface options (touch screen and wifi). The temperature and speed "upgrades" of the KE are not really something most people are going to utilize, especially without an enclosure.
It being a Klipper machine is quite the difference too.
@@LoyalMoses Sure, but again it's not really something most people will notice.
It drives me batty that Creality don't include touchscreen and wifi loading on all their machines.
I know what you mean, but they are slowly getting there! Let's hope they can improve upon this in 2024!
A..b.s. ore petg.
Are almost the strength.
And if you build 5 wals .
From your slicer settings in Cura.
Whit a 15. Procent infill.
Al your print.s wil rock.🎉
A use the .se.and even print bal BEARINGS.
So nice to have that option.
Verry useful prints come of the s.e. .
And most of the time a print at 200 mms.
If you petg you goth to always slow down your print.
The print speed is also very depended of the material you use.
The filliment sensor yeah nice.
Bud if your print stops.
Better is to make a new print.
They dont say that to new user.s.
Just to let you by the k.e.
A Little upgrade om the s.e. is possible.
And you have bigger build volume.
And a lineair rail if you want that.
Thanks for sharing!
I think I will go with the KE, $80 isn’t much of a difference
It’s a great machine!
@@LoyalMoses what do you think of the CR-10? The print mill?
I guess right. :)
Awesome!
sorry mate but you should have mention all the features like camera option,the cloud, calibration, and test different speed bench.Maybe you wanted to keep it simple for new ones at 3d printing and i get it, its just an observation
Then you get it! Simple for those just getting into printing!
@@LoyalMoses yeah i got it, didnt wanted to sound like a hater i mean it was still a good job overall, sorry if my message was harsh in any moment and i apologize if you felt insulted. You are a cool YT
Thank you!
Well I would never consider the KE.... for me or it's the V3 SE, or go straight to the K1... I can't see any reason to choose the KE....
How come?
You forgot to mention the WIGGLY rods and leaning gantry on BOTH KE and SE. The METAL Gantry is secured to a METAL plate that is attached to the PLASTIC base. The gantrys start to lean forward or backwards (speeds up the processes with the spool mounted on top) which causes the Nozzle to drag across the infill. Some people are compensating by increasingly Z hop but the problem still exists.
Why would I mention other people’s problems that I haven’t experienced? I don’t carry anyone else’s baggage, and share MY experiences, which have been absolutely great.
@LoyalMoses Fair point. If YOU haven't had any issues with the prints you have done your right it's your channel and your free to say how YOU feel about the machines. Everyone's entitled to thier opinions and view points. I just prefer to speak about the noise going on around me rather than ignore it. Before we end up with iteration #4 of the SE like we are on with the K1 aka K1C.
Thanks to my autism I noticed differences
All of what you said plus WIFI for the KE win..and for a measly $100 more.. still an entry level machine. Of course if yer still living at home on ma and pops neck, a 100.00 is still a tidy sum... Cheers
Absolutely, $100 is an important difference!
If you manage your WiFi router, you can restrict access in it.
It’s not about me, tech isn’t an issue, it’s about the average buyer, they don’t know to do it, or how even if they did know.
@@LoyalMoses which was my point. If someone is concerned, they should look up how to route traffic on their router. Every manufacturer's interface is a little different.
@@LoyalMoses I'm glad you mentioned this. I was trying to encourage those who do enabled the WiFi to consider managing there WiFi traffic.
I highly recommend putting these kinds of devices on an IoT network and you other devices on another network.
If the user will do some research they can figure it out.
Why would anybody settle for a thumb wheel screen today.
They work, just prefer better now days.
KE on Left.
Nailed it!
i gesed rite
Nice work!!!
I guessed.
NICE!
I was trying to pay attention but i know F al about 3d printers, now i feel more dumbber.
Don't feel that way! Stick around, learn a ton, it is a great hobby!
There are many good 3D printing 101 and for beginners videos on CZcams.
Or just get the Bambu Lab A1 lol
Crazy how prices are changing everything!
Why are you hammering on things being controllable from your local network? If you let someone onto your LAN, that's like inviting them into your house. So, then they could of course also drink your whiskey. Much more dangerous is the cloud component as that allows an entity from outside your LAN to now do stuff to your printer and possibly opens a door for them to do all sorts of other stuff in your LAN.
100% incorrect. These machines are in schools, and on business networks in addition to homes.
I spent 20+ years in information security, and the vast majority of security incidents are from the trusted side of the network. Meaning, compromised internally.
Imagine if submarines didn’t have compartments, and only focused on the external hull keeping water out. One small leak, ultimately sinks the entire sub.
If an attacker makes it into a network, they should not automatically have full access to everything.
Each device on a network should be properly secured, just like routers and servers have proper permissions enabled.
@@LoyalMoses A user-id and password aren't a decent security and social engineering is still the most effective hacking method for attacking companies. Sure, in environments as you mention, further segregation of the networks is wanted to add another layer of security, but for home use all those IOT devices added to people's LANs and "phoning home" are way more scary. And honestly, if I can get onto your LAN and sufficiently eavesdrop, send and manipulate packets, a user-id and password won't save you. Once in, the cracks in the various networked operating systems can be widened slowly, but surely.
I was a professional hacker for more than a decade of that 20+ years in infosec, the other was spent developing intrusion detection systems. ;-)
wtf should you beware of another person mess with your printer in the wifi? lol
no sense dude, nobody will connect the printer to a public wifi.
Incorrect. I have 20+ years in information security, and it’s a fact that the majority of attacks come from the trusted (internal) side of the network, not the untrusted (public / external) side.
It’s the same reason submarines have bulkheads, so that a small leak doesn’t sink the whole submarine.
Internal machines need to be secured properly, no excuse.
having all that filament is goofy and its gonna spoil
Don’t be jealous! Also, low humidity on our mountain and what you see is only a tiny portion of the 5,000+ spools of filament up here!
My KE runout sensor brand new doesnt even work 😂😂😂😂
Oh no! Did you send in a support request? Maybe check to see if it is plugged in properly?
these or v3
V3 is good too!