Shimano CUES Front Derailleur is Actually GOOD
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- čas přidán 22. 05. 2024
- Following up on my botched CUES derailleur installation video.
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Russ this is exactly why I love your channel. Honest and both the good and bad. Keep it up.
This level of transparency is rare in the online world. Russ, you're my hero! Also, glad you got this to work. Have been hoarding Shimano 11 speed parts but quietly hoping that's all been wasted effort.
Transparency? Russ rushed the previous video without doing proper troubleshooting, only to make a second video "fixing" a problem that wouldn't exist if he had done the first video properly. And he apologizes for giving "bad information", but he hasn't taken the previous" bad info" video down, so it's hard to take an apology like that seriously. It seems like hack engagement farming IMO.
@@1mp0r7g4m3r Russ clearly explained what the problem was, and I'd have likely missed that, too. I mean, I'm not a mechanic, and Russ has said repeatedly he's not, either. (Though he does do a great job of putting together some interesting combinations.). So no, I don't agree with your comment that he's engagement farming. Just doesn't fit his MO.
@@1mp0r7g4m3rI like to watch the problem solving process, and enjoy also the problem creating process. I'm sure the subscribers of this channel are here for the process, too.
Out there are so many channels with "flawless" bike mechanics. I like Russ as he is.
@@1mp0r7g4m3r You are trying at whatever it is you are doing too hard. Take a vacation.
Russ, Thanks again for the mention in the video! I really appreciate it. I’m glad you got the issue resolved. Experimentation is always more interesting and fun than just getting it right the first time. I always learn more and get more satisfaction out of dialing something in after a few tries. Thanks for the insights.
I have been a fulltime bike mecanic fo 32 years, and i dont know i all yet...😂
I moved to a pinion bike years ago & really glad I did , I have very little maintenance & get out enjoying my rides :).
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Great work Russ! Don't fret over "misleading or incorrect content"; your honesty and diligence is why you have loyal fans.
Russ actually corrects himself, unlike some others.
Kudos for no stepping in your own hubris. Gerald Rig is the unsung hero of human civilization
Hi Russ, the Side Swing front derailleur (down tube cable root) is the best shifting front derailleur ever made.
It’s a derailleur you need to try to understand how good it is.
Great fix Russ, love how quickly you found the fix and updated your thoughts. It gives us another option for the future . As always love the cave !!
If you are not bothered by a cable running on the top tube, I would suggest routing it through the bag laces, moving the cable stopper above the front mech, and using the top routing option. That way, you can get an even better angle.
It seems odd that anyone who watches your channel would think that components currently pitched at flat-bar bikes would be therefore bad for drop-bar use.
Glad it all worked out, btw!
😊 Also glad for the transparency - trust forms from thoughtfulness.
Taking stock of the recent emergent complexity. . .
What's crept into just the front crankset/shifter dynamics as a case. For your use case - CUES for MTB on a road-ish setup and possible complications . . angle of seat tube, length of cage - so chainring teeth, non-Boost vs Boost biased constraints (positions parallelogram outward), cable pull position dynamics and as you mentioned clamp diameter.
The last MTB 2X derailleur (lower-mid level) I dealt with was introduced by Shimano without documentation requiring fumbling around, searching the internet and guessing.
Shimano 2X for road went from traditional-design into what I call a compound action parallelogram and new misunderstandings.
Behind the scenes one can suppose Shimano is reacting to a changing market.
My guess for the compound parallelogram was it allowed for fatter tires to work with a problem they'd previously created with a longer front parallelogram lever that was likely them trying to 'lighten' the feel at the brifter (that didn't play well with a fatter tire).
Road chainlines were changing as disc brakes pushed hubs (and cranks) outward.
Ex. Now one can buy a GRX crank for a non-disc bike and find it might max out the operating range of an old front der.
Point is dynamics like these are emerging and faster.
Some, not all of it is meant to confound. We want purpose built road-gravel bikes and MTBs (ATBs). These changes afford us better bike-use (in theory).
Sorry for the word dump.
Hey russ, you just saved mo a ton of frame mod because i do not know about side swing front derailleur before your video. I have bikes with no cable guide for a front derailleur. A giant liv mini velo, a weekend bikes hybrid and a 24 colibri mini velo to name a few. After your video about the side swing front derailleur Shimano cues, i bought me 2pcs M3100-m fd.😁 Will wait for the cues to be available in our local store to keep the cost down for the rest of the bikes 😊
I love your curiosity and experimental approach. As probably most of us have not had CUES parts in our hands yet, it's nice to see how you make it work and test.
One thing about Cues cassette - it's super heavy
@strzebowiska is there a compatibile cassette to use with Cues or is it all set up to use as a single system?
This honesty about how things actually worked out, and being able to admit a mistake, is one of the things thaat makes this channel great. I've already got a "party pace" steerer cap; I'm gonna havta find something else to buy.
LOVE the Cave of Bad Ideas!
I just used an alivio side swing front derailer to convert my larkspur to 2x9. definitely partly inspired by your tinkering videos. works great, the look of the front housing run is different for sure but worth it for the ability to use front derailers with 1x specific frames. And on the larkspur i was worried about the top tube and tyre and mudguard clearance, so the minimal height and rear bulk is great too
Whew, for a minute there, I thought Russ was going to say he was wrong about Party Pace. 😀
I installed the Cues FD-U4010-L front derailleur on a friend's bike. That one came with stick on plastic 28.6mm shims thankfully, maybe because it is lower end. The cable was run as bottom pull and had no binding issues on his 94 Specialized Crossroads Cruz. The matching shifter was interesting because it is a single lever design where you push it in to shift up and then again to release and shift down. It shares an aspect of friction shifting in that the lever is directly connected to the cable. This makes it so that you can control the speed that the derailleur cage moves both during upshifts and down shifts. No trimming function though unfortunately.
"Just trying to be cheap...". As someone who runs Campy, I totally understand 👍
The shim is positioned so that clamp center is not centered on the seat tube, am I correct? Is the thicker part of the shim in the rear? Did you try it with the thicker part forward? Also, a 2 part shim that centers the clamp with the seat tube might help with the cable angle.
Good eye! Yeah, you can see at the [4:20] mark that the thickest part of the shim is at the back. I had to check the other video to see the gap is on the thick side of the shim. Rotating it around should really help with the cable angle.
Note that it is shifting pretty well for not using a Shimano crank with shaved teeth at the top and bottom and the crank does not have any chain ramps or pins. I do not know if it is/ was a price point issue but the derailleur does not look like it has a screw holding the cage together so you don't have to remove the chain to install/ uninstall the derailleur.
Thanks for sharing
Top man. 👍👍
If you are running friction, just use brake housing. No need for rigid sis housing
What handelbar is on your bike...it looks good.
Russ you don't need a cable guide just cable liner the tension in the cable can keep it in place if not a zip tie or tape would work fine too.
Great!
well we live n learn
Microshift has drop bars that pull dyna sys deore 10sp. That is the holy Grail for me Sti shifting a mtb derailleur.
what crankset is that? I'm trying to source a 5 bolt 110 bcd with 74 bcd so i can fit 42 and 26t chainring on my bike with 68mm shell
Very soothing video Russ. As a Nicasio owner, I've overcome my disgust of zip tied cables and embraced 21st Century manufacturer's cost cutting neo-facism within bike contexts.
I had a heart surgeon re-route my Claris front shift cable and voila to my surprise, it was neo-fascist acceptably smooth (not XT excellent, but......)
Love the humility -can’t learn if you can’t be wrong. So many never learn this lesson! Thx!
The thumbnail looks so broken😢.... But Russ, its good news to make inexpensive parts work and it can always happen to combine parts in a hurry so that they do not perform as good as can be.... and if I were you, I would reach out for a cable guide unter the frame, to let it run free without housing. Liebe Grüße und avanca😊👍.
Keep on keeping on. Your honesty is why I watch. 😊
No worries - that's exactly how to make things work: Try it out ... hm, not happy, that must work better ... tinker, tinker... yeah!
Did shimano threaten legal action?
I just have upgraded my ebike from Alvio to Cues 9 speed (full cues package). Shifting is awesome but i'm not happy with the rear derailleur! (Need clutch for chain retention) Do you know if the Shimano CUES U6000 rear derailleur works with cues 9 speed?
Yes
@@PathLessPedaledTV Well it didn't. Tried it today. Third gear of the shifter already pushes the derailleur to the smallest sprocket from the cassette....
@@detmer87 did you set the limits correctly. They all use the same cable pull.
@@PathLessPedaledTV Yes I did.
What is a front derailleur? Haven't used one in years.
It’s like a 1x but 2x as good.
@@PathLessPedaledTV This is funny, because it's at least doubly true. I think 2x is also a bit like 3x but 2x as good.
That front cable entry version looks like it's intended for internally routing the derailleur cable. I know no judgements in the Cave but I agree that's ugly 🤮. Thanks for the follow up.
Lots of positive comments and some questing the first video.
First i hate when a shim has to be used for a front derailleur. Second, i really dont understand sll the cable routing issues. Seems that old front mechs were all pretty straight forward.
Is this about it not being designed for road bikes?
Nothing seems so simple anymore.
Great job making it all work.
Use a different FD. No need to force the use of this one.
Muy bien Russito!
Dude, you’re so cute with all your judgement free safe zone explanations. I just wanna take you down to the bike exercise area so I can watch you ride around in circles with all those other properly trained and socialised domesticated alt-bike pooches.
But seriously...
I had to go back to the first vid to see if a particular comment was still there. Golly, so many more comments now. Who knew a front mech could be such a life of the party!
@90041hood sure hit the nail on the head for the first vid.
“Wow! That looks like a real POS! 😂so glad you made this video so I never have to consider getting one of these.😅"
Genius. Always fun imaging if the anonymous commenter is being sincere or sarcastic, thus then wondering if the irony is intentional or not.
The mech looks like a very nice piece of kit. The polished cage and subtle name graphics. And those hex key adjustment screws. I guess they’re kinda standard nowadays? I haven’t had the pleasure yet.
Here’s the thing about that mech, and I mentioned it before, it is a PERFECT fit for your rig!
You still haven’t pointed out the Cues FD advantages in their ring step range, especially that trekking model you have with the 16t.
I like how you addressed the issue of not using a side-swing. True the look of that cable routing takes some getting used to. Especially as we’ve become so used to the clean aesthetics of 1x rigs.
But this is a place where Shimano need to be given props for settling on a solution which eliminates compatibility issues. The way side-swing can be fitted to ANY rig is ideal. And there’s the nice straight cable route.
Wear that 2x set-up with pride! Some cool cable housing options out there. Some of your mates down at the alt-bike park can colour-match with their hairdos and tattoos!
But lucky you! Shimano just happened to make the trekking model for bikes just like yours! Funny that.
Oh but boo-hoo, that shim! Perhaps they figured that people who’ll be building such bikes will have access to somebody in a workshop with a box of them collecting roach poo down the back of a shelf somewhere. And then there’s the AUD$7 (delivered) option on Aliexpress if you’re really stuck (MUQZI Store, and check out their nifty cable end caps, I see you got one of them little balls already. The bullet point thingies look trick. And they got nice identity-group-post-modern-hair coloured cable U clips.)
BUT it is good that we're all now aware that the 28.6 shim has been dropped from most of the Shimano FD options, so peeps can avoid getting stuck when they're set to fit it.
Keep crankin' the big ring, and your granny too.
Dammit Russ
This is why you need to be careful, as CZcamsr to be accurate in your reviews. CZcams videos viewed by thousands of people can damage a companies reputation. In my opinion you should remove the old video as it is misleading
I think shimano will be ok
I also think Shimano will be ok, but that doesn't take away from the main point. Spreading wrong information because you haven't figured things out is just not careful.
I appreciate that Russ is admitting the problem was in the tinkering, not the product.
I am wondering how the people in the previous video going 'big company bad, planned obsolescence, jada jada' react to this.