What happened to Specialized Bicycles?

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  • What happened to Specialized Bicycles?
    As per request, we are taking a quick look into the history of Specialized bicycles and what led to them becoming one of the biggest bicycle brands in the world.
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  • @MossieRidesBikes
    @MossieRidesBikes  Před 23 dny +7

    Thank you all for the support! Who should I cover next? I'm thinking of either doing SE or potentially cover a couple of athletes like tinker or missy

    • @LaurentiusTriarius
      @LaurentiusTriarius Před 23 dny +1

      Tinker is THE legend who doesn't get enough coverage... Views on his channel are ridiculous, he's go so many interesting stories...

    • @floydblandston108
      @floydblandston108 Před 23 dny

      The Spec story reminded me of Univega, one of their strongest early competitors. After never having heard of either, all of a sudden they were both everywhere neck and neck. Univega was always about 20% cheaper, but offered credible competition after potential Specialized buyers came to after the sticker shock. One shop owner told me he only kept the Stumpy on the floor to sell the Univega's faster.😄
      They disappeared sometime during the huge boom that followed, when it seemed like there were more new brands than magazines to write about them!

    • @notpablo8369
      @notpablo8369 Před 22 dny +1

      RITCHEY

    • @robbchastain3036
      @robbchastain3036 Před 21 dnem

      Anything and about Tinker, you'd be right on time as he has just started a YT channel with his name. Incredible and wonderful that he is still riding at a high level.

    • @doctorscoot
      @doctorscoot Před 21 dnem

      oh man, please do SE. I got my first PK Ripper in 1980. I raced BMX here in Australia. Anyway that first one (black w/ gold anodised parts) unfortunately got stolen, and I got a new (1982?) frame, which was the clear coated bare aluminium colour. I actually spray painted that one duck-egg blue; for day to day riding I had red tuff wheels and tiny little thin alloys for racing. when I joined the navy my mother gave it to my older brother's kid ... years later they sold it. g.d. i wish i still had it.
      just to comment also on the current situation with specialised. to me, the bike industry is really a parallel to the guitar business. fender and gibson, once the staples of your local guitar store now sell direct, have their own retail fronts, have split labels for made-in-usa and made-in-china, and the market is flooded with cheap clones and imitation knock offs. the only real difference i can see is that most guitarists generally _do not_ want the latest and greatest technology, and the vintage items are worshipped with a heat greater than the core of the sun. to the point where, by analogy, imagine if specialised still had to make that rockhopper to the exact specs of the original, and this model was the _most expensive_ model they sell. and you paid extra to get it "relic'd". ;-)

  • @ewxlt
    @ewxlt Před 22 dny +31

    I remember when Specialized came to the bike shop I worked at. The shop was doing 2 million a year selling specialized. The specialized rep came in and said, "you are no longer a specialized dealer". Then they took back almost 1m in inventory and opened a flagship store 10 miles away.

    • @javiersmith2216
      @javiersmith2216 Před 22 dny +2

      In business terms it is called dominating the mkt since no one is going to try to compete against them.

    • @danielbliss1988
      @danielbliss1988 Před 20 dny +1

      Pretty much toxic to the cause of having accessible bicycle service. The decent shops that survive at least here in the Midwest almost uniformly have minor brands. The majors have taken, taken, taken.

    • @goldenretriever6261
      @goldenretriever6261 Před 20 dny +1

      Giant opened a store less than a 1km a away from the only Giant dealer (and only bike shop) in my city

    • @danblekeberg2470
      @danblekeberg2470 Před 16 dny

      How shallow for Giant !

    • @algould7878
      @algould7878 Před 15 dny

      Bicycle whores , just like Schwinn and Cannondale of the 80's. It is diffently a a cut throat business. Mike Wolf of CT. Back in the late 70's tried to get Ma & Pas to form co ops, and agree on pricing and working together. Haa, never happened, he was ahead of his time and honest coming forth at the Bicycle dealers convention in Orlando that year. One year out in Arizona I visited serval bike shops . In the late 80's and they did just that. Their price were the same, they were happy with the heir competitors as friends all making a decent living. Mike Wolf had his Sh-- together.

  • @walkerbikes8
    @walkerbikes8 Před 23 dny +40

    I worked at a directly owned specialized store. To say the least... what a shitshow

    • @asifitmatters1
      @asifitmatters1 Před 22 dny +5

      Well maybe that was because YOU were working there…

    • @paulvanreesch2493
      @paulvanreesch2493 Před 22 dny

      ​​@@asifitmatters1are you always this pleasant? Or do you impersonate an a-hole, just on the Internet? Did you manage a Specialized dealership? Cuz, that would make sense.

    • @walkerbikes8
      @walkerbikes8 Před 22 dny +4

      😂

  • @tedecker3792
    @tedecker3792 Před 22 dny +9

    I remember their first Stumpjumper ads. One inch column in the back of Outside magazine, and Bicycling magazine. Bought my first mtb in 86, a Jamis Dakota. I ride my Specialized enduro every day at 76yo.

  • @DanFraser1984
    @DanFraser1984 Před 22 dny

    Hey, that was a pretty cool video and thank you for taking the time to share it. This showed up on my suggested videos and you earned a new subscriber!

  • @anielyantra1
    @anielyantra1 Před 22 dny +13

    I still ride a 1984 rockhopper as a single speed commuter to this very day. The next best choice is a Wabi thunder for 10X the price.

  • @johntotten4872
    @johntotten4872 Před 22 dny +3

    Thanks for these videos. I was born and spent most of my life a few hours north of the Bay Area (I think the OG guys would ride MT Tamalpais in Marin) and never realized how close I was to the birth of Mtn biking. My first was a Schwinn Sierra, it was a solid bike but I really wanted the Cannondale next to it. My local shop (where I bought the Sierra) let me trade the Sierra in on the 92 Cannondale M800 Beast of the East in red. It was an amazing bike. My wife at the time wanted to ride with me and really loved the M800 so I gave it to her to ride and I bought a 93 Stumpjumper M2. We had a trailer we pulled and my daughter loved going on rides with us. I still have the SJ M2 and the ex wife still has the Cannondale. I will never sell it though I plan to buy a new bike with more modern features to get back into cycling as it is something I really enjoy. Thanks again for rekindling the flame in me.

  • @alexanderlawson1649
    @alexanderlawson1649 Před 21 dnem +39

    I own Surly, Specialised, Ridgeback and Cinnelli, bikes, every frame is made in......Taiwan. All those big name brands are just that, a name on a frame, invariably made in Taiwan . On top of that nearly all the components are made by Shimano, in the far East. Most of us are riding Chinese bikes equiped with Japanese stuff, with an unrelated name on the downtube.

    • @adogswimming1474
      @adogswimming1474 Před 20 dny +16

      Wait, you literally said they are made in Taiwan. How does that make them Chinese bikes?

    • @jaycrume5941
      @jaycrume5941 Před 20 dny

      Not mine. I have a Lynskey TI. Shimano components, yes, but there are no USA based component manufacturers.

    • @martinbogadomartinesi5135
      @martinbogadomartinesi5135 Před 20 dny +3

      @@adogswimming1474 You know Taiwan is called Republic of China right?

    • @j.schaefer5622
      @j.schaefer5622 Před 19 dny +11

      @@martinbogadomartinesi5135 Taiwan is a democracy. China is not. Therefore they have a conflict.

    • @martinbogadomartinesi5135
      @martinbogadomartinesi5135 Před 19 dny +2

      @@j.schaefer5622 wtf does that have to do with anything related to this comment?

  • @georgekrpan3181
    @georgekrpan3181 Před 22 dny +13

    $750 1981 dollars is $2647 2023 dollars according to the CPI Inflation Calculator. For what it was the 1981 Stumpjumper was expensive.

    • @johnlowkey359
      @johnlowkey359 Před 22 dny +2

      yeah, thats a high end alloy hardtail now, or maybe barely enough for entry full sus. Bikes and Video games are to products that have seen huge technical innovations for a significant drop in adjust price.

    • @georgekrpan3181
      @georgekrpan3181 Před 22 dny

      @@johnlowkey359 An Intense 951 XC is $2299 at Costco online. Carbon with Fox fork and shock.

    • @eric_bender
      @eric_bender Před 3 dny

      That’s a ridiculous statement. The 1983 Stumpjumper was the answer to many prayers. Worth “any”
      Price

  • @keithhunter3910
    @keithhunter3910 Před dnem

    Since 1984, I have owned four Stumpjumpers, three Tarmacs, and a Langster. The last bike I purchased was a Surly Krampus, and the next bike will be a Canyon Neuron CF.

  • @IsraelMagalit
    @IsraelMagalit Před 17 dny

    Good vid. Thanks for the history lesson 👍🏻

  • @asonetuh6094
    @asonetuh6094 Před 22 dny +2

    never bothered to learn the history of Specialized so this was enlightening. the Specialized name always had a certain panache. over-hyped maybe but still panache. I grew up with icons like John Tomac, Ned Overend (team Specialized), Greg Herbold, Hans Rey, Tinker Juarez, and Missy Giove. Ned Overend (now ~64yo) is still out there doing his thing. godspeed on his race tomorrow May 25th, 2024 - the Iron Horse Bicycle Classic. he was there last year and placed only 3 minutes off the lead in the open-class men's race. inspiring to stay fit regardless of your age!

  • @floydblandston108
    @floydblandston108 Před 23 dny +11

    Full cred to the Spec machine for bringing mtb to full maturity with the first Stumpjumper. My friends and I had been abusing old Schwinns and Raleighs since the mid-70's when- lo and behold- the bike of our dreams showed up in every lbs. It had the rugged rims, giant rubber, perfect bars and massive stem we'd been scrounging for, but there all together in one rtr package! It also came with a frickin' eye wateringly astronomical price tag- about 2x the price you'd pay for a legal, running, reliable "beater with a heater" actual car. 😳
    I guess some things never change....🤣

  • @stevekelly6544
    @stevekelly6544 Před 18 dny

    Great info- thanks man

  • @MrHongleberry
    @MrHongleberry Před 21 dnem

    A blue Stumpjumper Comp HT was my first mountain bike, rode that thing until the frame cracked at the BB. Fun times!

  • @bigchungus914
    @bigchungus914 Před 21 dnem

    My first bike (after my dinky bmx i had as a small child) was a specialized stumpjumper from 1995-8 (idk the exact year). Its my favorite hardail and has had multiple owners but still has held up great. Glad to be in on the specialized craze without spending thounsands on their new bikes 😅

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f Před 22 dny +12

    If you look closely at almost any company in any industry, you will find something to dislike or something they did that was not cool.

    • @theymademepickaname1248
      @theymademepickaname1248 Před 22 dny +6

      You'd pretty much have to mine your own ore, make your own alloy, and forge all your own components to ride a bike that passes the ethical purity test.

    • @theymademepickaname1248
      @theymademepickaname1248 Před 17 dny

      @@robbiddlecombe8392 I have not looked into all that much. From what I can tell, Specialized did a lot when it comes bringing mountain to the masses, but they also did some shady $hit along the way. At the end of the day, I want a decent bike at a decent price. I'm not going to be preachy or judgy about brands. I currently ride a specialized but will probably never purchase another because their prices have become ridiculous.

    • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
      @user-cx2bk6pm2f Před 16 dny

      @@robbiddlecombe8392 Who said anything about "release from responsibility"?? You are projecting and assuming. Read what I wrote, not what you think or hope I wrote.

    • @jooptablet1727
      @jooptablet1727 Před 3 dny

      yes. hate videos are so lazy

  • @sarufal8069
    @sarufal8069 Před 20 hodinami

    I already knew the details myself, but I'm very pleased about you educated others. No passion for bikes, just money. So many Dorklized coming into the shop nowadays because their mechanics suck and they don't do fittings. I feel sorry for these folks about to own a "War-Mart" bike. Ford comparison is what I use all the time.

  • @iancanuckistan2244
    @iancanuckistan2244 Před 23 dny +1

    I've been riding bikes for 62 years. When I got into mountain bikes, most of my friends had Specialized Epics. I was on Rocky Mountain.
    I've yet to swing a leg over a Specialized, currently I've got for myself a Pivot trail 429 and an Ibis Mojo Slr for friends to borrow to see if they enjoy MTB riding.

  • @brianhearden459
    @brianhearden459 Před 22 dny +1

    I think you got the history about right. I got my second year (1982) Stumpjumper from a Specialized dealer at UC Davis for $1000. I loved that bike, I took it everywhere. In 2020 I bought 4 bikes, 3 of them Specialized and they are all great bikes.

    • @Kendubious
      @Kendubious Před 21 dnem

      truth.

    • @dorseykindler9544
      @dorseykindler9544 Před 7 dny

      I feel like the cycling culture in Davis is waning. But I’ve bought many a bike at the Freewheeler over the years.

    • @Kendubious
      @Kendubious Před 7 dny

      @@dorseykindler9544 Ever heard of a guy named Steve Tracey?

  • @creasunset
    @creasunset Před 21 dnem +1

    Very well done, casual and fun that you hit the main points like you said at the end there. I like how they jumped into the electric bike space pretty early on and took a bold move of producing a speed pedal with a fancy direct drive motor from goswiss yhat offered regenerative braking. I love that the company is bold, their brand and design is awesome, but sometimes it seems like repairability takes a backseat. The joke is that if you go back to Specialized shops asking for help they just recommend you buy the new model.

  • @sadiejones7991
    @sadiejones7991 Před 23 dny +6

    Thanks for the vids. A companies ethic history is the number one factor when I decide on buying a new bike

    • @Horus-Lupercal
      @Horus-Lupercal Před 22 dny +2

      If you buy secondhand off co-ops, that'll rarely be an issue. 🧠

    • @asifitmatters1
      @asifitmatters1 Před 22 dny +3

      Then your choices today are basically ZERO!

    • @sadiejones7991
      @sadiejones7991 Před 22 dny

      @@asifitmatters1 bout right, I hope I've bought my last bike for a long while. Ibis is the brand I go with, check out their history, it's interesting.

    • @rlsedition
      @rlsedition Před 22 dny +1

      Your "history" ignored the fact that Specialized has always been in the forefront of mountain bike technology.

    • @sadiejones7991
      @sadiejones7991 Před 22 dny +1

      @@rlsedition The key word was ethics in my comment, Ibis was at the beginning also, A fella left Specialized early on and joined the founder who was a Klunker rider and formed Ibis.

  • @MickeyCh00
    @MickeyCh00 Před 4 dny

    Back in February 2022, I bought a Creo SL Expert Carbon EVO from my now Specialized owned bike shop. Price was $9,750, with no discounts. They had to search the USA to find one. Only bought this because my Greg LeMond Zurich would not get me up the steep hill to my son's new home, in Seattle, where I thought I might live. That didn't work out, but I ride it every morning at 87 years old here in Tucson, some 16 miles, up grade half the way, and down coming back, for the most part. I never worried about the price, love the thing, use eco mode only. There is a lot of cheaper bikes I could have bought, but I wanted the best, and could afford it. As an aside, the long comment by @RViscara below brought back so many memories of Santa Cruz, Capitola and San Jose for me. Wow, those days aren't coming back. 🙆‍♀

  • @greenhill26
    @greenhill26 Před 22 dny

    Yo Mossie, deep dive into Norco please!!! thanks! love the vids.

  • @RoscoPColtrane17
    @RoscoPColtrane17 Před 22 dny +3

    Concept stores are the death knell of the industry

  • @saulgood6909
    @saulgood6909 Před 22 dny +3

    I've heard nothing but bad things about specialized. They tried to screw Mike's Bikes in Northern California out of their business and do a hostile takeover of the company. Plus so many bad stories from former employees. Great bikes, bad ethics.

  • @javiersmith2216
    @javiersmith2216 Před 21 dnem +1

    It is more important these days to sponsor/market a pro team than develop quality products. Marketing is everything. You can sell defective products but as long as you pay a pro team to push your brand it wont matter.

  • @XCRiders
    @XCRiders Před 22 dny

    Specialized also came out with mountain bike specific hard sole shoes for flat pedals that you could walk around in

  • @palpatine1975
    @palpatine1975 Před 22 dny

    Now, the force is with you

  • @WhaJMc
    @WhaJMc Před 22 dny +2

    Not a great fan of Specialized as a company however I do own a Specialized bike (Roubaix SL8). Reason I got it was it suits the type of riding I do (mostly road with a bit of light gravel), the fit is right for me, the future shock makes longer rides a lot more comfortable (actually more than that, it makes them achievable). On my last bike (Giant Revolt) I'd get numb hands after about an hour of riding. I don't have this problem with the Roubaix. The Roubaix is also lighter and better spec'd than the Giant, albeit at a much higher price.
    I brought it from an independently owned store, who have been great to deal with. However I still view the store where I got my Giant as my LBS and it's where I go to get most of my parts and accessories.

  • @ivansalesrolimfilho9730
    @ivansalesrolimfilho9730 Před 7 dny +1

    Specialized bikes are awesome. It keeps getting better and better year by year.

  • @PerfDayToday
    @PerfDayToday Před 18 dny

    We owned rei-branded Navaro MTBs from the ’80s, made by specialized. In 2024, Specialized has reprised the aqua/pink paint theme from one of the Stumpjumper from that day with their factory mtb teams. We had that bike until last year.

  • @Entity738
    @Entity738 Před 22 dny +4

    Hearing this story for the first time and considering the timeline when they rolled out the first Stumpjumper, it all makes sense and i agree the inception was shady but it did bring it to the masses by sidestepping the founders but I'm sure they themselves were inspired by people like Gary Turner who founded GT bicycles in Santa Ana, CA 1972, i get they were modifying Cruisers AKA klunkers but the geometry of the first real MTB borrowed heavily from BMX, everybody just kinda improved on an idea and his was bringing it to the masses by taking their design and making it slightly different, sounds slimey to say but its cool to know their origin story, funny enough i refurbish bikes and the Specialized bikes I've done sell faster than anything else, go figure.

  • @ryanb974
    @ryanb974 Před 19 dny

    Thank you! One of the most accurate telling of the story! RUMOR has it… the bike Tom and Gary gave Mike (they knew he would copy to make the Stumpjumper) wasn’t quite right…

  • @johncoons1666
    @johncoons1666 Před 12 dny

    Giants got three stores in Las Vegas. Trek has two stores in Vegas and a rental shop right on the trails, in blue diamond Nevada.

  • @robbchastain3036
    @robbchastain3036 Před 21 dnem

    Thanks and I'm curious about early buyers of those mountain bikes. I rode both BMX and road bikes into '81 when I bailed on 20" BMX after a wild tumble down a massive drop to avoid flying into a dirt biker gassing it up the face toward me. But in '82, I bought a 26" single-speed Mongoose made for the BMX Cruiser Class. With bikes and frames and parts and gear and everything, the BMX marketplace set the stage for mountain biking, and I'd be curious about the road v. BMX percentage of early buyers.

  • @pentiuman
    @pentiuman Před 2 dny

    Thanks a lot - for destroying my love for my old Specialized bicycle. Edit: It's a ~ 1999 Hard Rock Comp, that has original wheels that run almost perpetually when you spin them. - Despite the fact that the bike was quite apparently NOT maintained by its original owner. Same for the still original bottom bracket. Smooth turning - I can't decide whether to take them apart for a first greasing, or not.

  • @BradleyJohnston_Realtor
    @BradleyJohnston_Realtor Před 23 dny +11

    Makes me want to deny that brand even more.

  • @RViscara
    @RViscara Před 22 dny +28

    What you are saying about the stump jumper putting specialized on the map is totally not true! I used to race with the San Jose bike club in the South Bay were specialized two owners would sell those very cinelli bike parts along with other parts to us as San Jose bike club members at our races out of their white van. Then what really made special famous or business take off was their newly designed specialized water bottles which you could open and close one handed which was a huge deal at the time. Next what put them sales or making a lot of fame and money was their design of the first folding clincher rim tires! Which was huge as you could train with these tires and carry a spare folded tire under your seat which before was impossible with clincher tires. At this time Specialized bikes was operating in a new small building next to the San Jose mercury newspaper in jury court street. I myself actually road the very first stump jumper which was not even painted at the time and was the first test example of the bike which they had available to look at at one of their annual open house distributor sales at their jury court headquarter. At the time they sold long sleeve t-shirts that said “fat tire flyer” on it referring to the mountain bike culture. When they came out with the stump jumper they also had their touring bike the Sequoia and then about a year later the Japanese equipped “Allez” bike “which you actually miss pronounced. It’s a French word. Also my good friend Brad worked at Specialized hence my invites to these special open house slash annual headquarters discount sales deals. I still have that fat tire flyer long sleeve tshirt. So there final word is it wasn’t the stump jumper that put specialized on the map it was first their water bottles they were mass producing those bottles bike time and every shop or team was buying and using them then they really exploded when they had the first folding 700c road tire. That’s what made them big. I am that era of road racing and grew up all around the cycling scene from Eric riding with us when when he was going to Stanford university to my best friend who u grew up with becoming the head machinist at rockshocks making their top fork crowns. I was lucky enough to see a lot of innovation like Jim Blackburn to slim gunk for punctures in tires which was from Santa Cruz to even seeing what we know now as Santa Cruz biker. So when giving your history lessons be sure you get it right. And a final word yes Mike was a sort of a jerk and also a bit of a snob. He also made a lot of money basically steeling the logos of many companies like Cinelli and campagnolo and putting them on t-shirts and cycling painters hats selling tons of them with no royalties going back to those companies. A inside secret also you think Mike was bad you should have learned about his daughter who lives in capitola near Santa Cruz she was a piece of work she was a very entitled acting brat and not very nice to law enforcement folks I know this as my sibling almost arrested her over a dispute and her being extremely entitled a demanding. It’s funny as I never tried to hang out or be near these people it all sort of just happened around me by chance. The Silicon Valley was a very interesting place in the early 80’s . If anyone has any questions about that era and place let me know and I will answer your questions. There is also a story behind the Allez road bike.

    • @iffy_too4289
      @iffy_too4289 Před 22 dny +3

      Well, dont stop there...

    • @oreocarlton3343
      @oreocarlton3343 Před 22 dny +1

      👍

    • @larrym2434
      @larrym2434 Před 21 dnem +4

      wall of text bludgeoned me into submission

    • @MrJx4000
      @MrJx4000 Před 21 dnem +1

      You don't say.

    • @DDuMond1
      @DDuMond1 Před 20 dny +1

      I was also racing with the SJBC in the early eighties, what years were you racing?

  • @blubaughmr
    @blubaughmr Před 22 dny

    My favorite tires in the late 70's were the Specialized (they were known as Specialized Bicycle Imports then) tires with the raised center ridge. I have a mid-90's Stumpjumper. These days I think they have gone too high end and the only Specialized items I still buy are the helmets.

  • @jefflachance8459
    @jefflachance8459 Před 22 dny +4

    Specialized is great for people who can’t work on their own bikes or know what a bolt is. My local specialized dealer just got bought out to be a specialized factory store ( it used to be a fantastic place when a human being used to own it). I went there to have my wheel trued, you know drop it off and let me know when it gets done… the guy at the counter says you can’t just drop it off, you need to make an appointment to drop it off. WTF is up with that. What a bag of dicks!!! I won’t be going back to those idiots again. Yeah, bikers edge Bristol, Ct. what a shame.

    • @Millicente
      @Millicente Před 22 dny +3

      Sounds weird to be so upset about needing an appointment. It has "god my coffee is 5 degrees too cold" energy

    • @wematanye533
      @wematanye533 Před 22 dny +5

      ​@@Millicente Seriously? It's generally accepted that you don't need to call ahead to drop off a bike at a bike shop. It's weird to require that.

  • @FightFilms
    @FightFilms Před 20 dny +1

    G. Fisher ties so hard to be a Dr. Seuss character.

  • @billydeewilliams8909
    @billydeewilliams8909 Před 23 dny +4

    As far as I know, Specialized makes excellent bikes. But they way they behave as a company, the prices, and frankly the fact that almost certainly more than half of all the bikes I see out on the trails are Specialized (at least here in NorCal), gives me absolutely no desire to own a Specialized. Also, I haven't been impressed with their other products. I bought a $100 shock floor pump from them (I was frustrated with the hand pumps), and it filled the shock up really well, but it let off like 100 PSI when you detached it. Their system that was supposed to prevent air loss in this fashion did not work at all. And then I had to shell out like $20 to return it via FedEx.

    • @algould7878
      @algould7878 Před 15 dny

      My understanding as many of all 2nd &3rd party bikes of different names, including Trek,,,,,you are buying a "Giant".

    • @billydeewilliams8909
      @billydeewilliams8909 Před 14 dny

      @@algould7878 Sure. Giant is great!

  • @kumiblm
    @kumiblm Před 6 dny +1

    I love my 2010 Big Hit 2!

  • @Rightouttheback
    @Rightouttheback Před 21 dnem +1

    Here in New Zealand many bike shops no longer stock Specialized products, presumably because Specialized are trying to do that consumer direct model.
    Regardless of what you think of the company, they do make some excellent products including bike clothing. I would rather buy from my local store and continue to do so. But I feel like the company is not supporting their stores
    I am not sure the consumer direct model is working out for them.

  • @j.schaefer5622
    @j.schaefer5622 Před 19 dny

    After riding over 30 years and using all kind of brands, I must say my 2022 Specialized Epic HT is one of the best bikes I have ever ridden. Even the tires and the Power and Phenom saddles they make are really good. I used a lot of bike brands that werent that good. Never met Mike S. and I am also no fanboy of any brand…

  • @Cortezuma
    @Cortezuma Před 19 dny

    I rode a Stumpjumper for a few years and switched to Santa Cruz more recently. I got a deal on it, I know they’re overpriced… but I do dig the company more.

  • @abelovedflame
    @abelovedflame Před 21 dnem +1

    Love my 2021 Status!

    • @SmakerJAK
      @SmakerJAK Před 20 dny

      I love my 2018 stumpjumper comp ally

  • @nellyx1x493
    @nellyx1x493 Před 22 dny

    Thing is, have been riding Specialized since the mid 80's from early rockhoppers, stumpjumpers, SWorks metal stumpies (the coolest), and multiple Tarmacs on the road- and while being fully aware of their slightly controversial practices, nothing changes the fact that those bikes predictably ride exceptionally well compared to the alternatives... which is why among my riding buddies who got hooked on mtb in the 80's there will always be a Specialized or three in the collection. Agree though that the Sworks brand was actually cooler decades ago when they offered top performance at a reasonable pricetag, think SW M2, Tarmac SL2... they used to be the thinking mans utilitarian race bike, now they've gone all unnecessarily boutique they are actually not so hot in my antiquated mind.

  • @Wieber84
    @Wieber84 Před 22 dny +3

    I got a 2021 stumpjumper and it absolutely rips love that thing

  • @bfranco1519
    @bfranco1519 Před 20 dny

    Over the years, I’ve gone back and forth about my love for bikes and disdain for corporate greed. Specialized makes great bikes even though I hate some of their business practices. I’ve tried to support small boutique brands but that didn’t always pay off either. I currently own a Specialized and put all my personal beliefs aside because it’s just a bicycle.Too many other bigger problems in the world to worry about. The brand of bike I ride, really doesn’t matter as long it rides well…

  • @LaurentiusTriarius
    @LaurentiusTriarius Před 23 dny +7

    The richs kids had specialized bikes, when I got a GT the specialized boys tried to ridicule me with my "ladies bike" ... Elitism isn't new 😂

    • @dustind3960
      @dustind3960 Před 22 dny +1

      My faviourate a early 1990's gt hybird bikei prettu took is every where i biked in ottawa canada. Incluing light to medium offroading.

  • @Bread_Garlichouse
    @Bread_Garlichouse Před 21 dnem +2

    Much prefer Cannondale/Scott

  • @MstrRo1
    @MstrRo1 Před 8 dny

    Greed in the name of "just doing business" is an interesting topic and, for those on the small end, is unfortunate. Not to worry, when folks become more empowered, over time, critical thinking will be a part of the process and the ways of old marketing practices, will go by the wayside.

  • @kentwong3818
    @kentwong3818 Před 21 dnem +7

    people riding blue trails with 23mm tires with 0 compliance. Meanwhile today: "guys, do I need a full suspension for my city park?" Hate being an elitist but most bikes today are over-specd for what people are riding and they're wasting their money.

  • @jeffreythree
    @jeffreythree Před 22 dny +1

    I don't understand the Walmart rumors. Why would Walmart want such a deal just as their own house brand, Ozark Trail, introduces a decent entry level MTB and gravel bike? Plus, the Waltons own Allied for the high end stuff that competes with Specialized.

    • @daniellarson3068
      @daniellarson3068 Před 22 dny

      There are a lot of videos saying that this $248 G1 Walmart trail bike gives rather good value. It sells for about $250 in today's dollars. The video showed a similar bike from back in the last quarter of the last century from Specialized that sold for $750 in the dollars of that time. Big Box stores may be encroaching on the Bike shop stuff.

  • @JogieGlenMait16
    @JogieGlenMait16 Před 22 dny +3

    specialised is the apple of the bicycle world

    • @einundsiebenziger5488
      @einundsiebenziger5488 Před 16 dny

      Specialized bikes still needs outside components to work - shifters, brakes, cranks, chains etc. so their frames need to be compatible with those. Apple does everything to make outside components not work with its devices.

  • @Aveal
    @Aveal Před 7 dny

    I would be interested in a video about Marin bikes and or Kona. Marin was BIG when i was a teenaged MTB Enthusiast in the 90s when i came back in 2014 there where a shadow of their former self’s. Just now they start to make a name for them self’s again with some more recognizable Names under their sponsoring. With Kona it’s kind of the same Story once the leader of the north shore free ride movement now kind of a 3rd row brand.

  • @danielkeene3852
    @danielkeene3852 Před dnem

    Santa Cruz and Ibis also make very good top quality mountain bikes.

  • @Cmc7799
    @Cmc7799 Před 23 dny +5

    Marin!

  • @rogerd9405
    @rogerd9405 Před 23 dny +48

    There are a few brands that I won't buy because of their business practices. Specialized, Apple, and Nike are a few

    • @IHatePikeys
      @IHatePikeys Před 22 dny +20

      😂 Ok so you still buy from the alternatives who use chinese and child labor factories across the road from their factories…😂

    • @troglodytestroglodytes220
      @troglodytestroglodytes220 Před 22 dny +16

      I won’t buy from Amazon. Pointless I know. Also won’t use Starbucks, their coffee sucks.

    • @gerhardw.933
      @gerhardw.933 Před 22 dny +2

      I don't know when you have last been in China?

    • @timtaylor9590
      @timtaylor9590 Před 22 dny +1

      Monsanto

    • @BramBiesiekierski
      @BramBiesiekierski Před 22 dny +3

      Shitmano. I refuse

  • @ivansalesrolimfilho9730

    I have a Turbo Levo SWORKS 2024 and a Turbo Levo Sl Comp Carbon, and I assure: Those bikes are extremely fun, full of technology and give the rider such confort as o never had seen before. I dont get the reason why you're complaining.

  • @ariffau
    @ariffau Před 22 dny +4

    The Stumpjumper was basically a copy of a Ritchey. Interesting as to how today most bikes are mostly copying the Tarmac SL7

  • @Michael-dj4vq
    @Michael-dj4vq Před 22 dny +1

    Have you done a video on Cannondale yet?

    • @johnlowkey359
      @johnlowkey359 Před 22 dny +2

      Cannondale is just a nightmarish mess of proprietary componentry on nice frames.

    • @dorseykindler9544
      @dorseykindler9544 Před 7 dny

      @@johnlowkey359What a shame. My first serious bike was a CAAD4 back in the day. Loved that their factory in Bedford, PA was within a day’s ride from my hometown.

  • @PRH123
    @PRH123 Před 8 dny

    Did or do specialized actually make their own frames? In which country is-was assembly done?

  • @johndef5075
    @johndef5075 Před 22 dny +1

    GT is leaving the box store market....

  • @davido8086
    @davido8086 Před 20 dny

    Specialized bikes rip!! I have a sworks stumpy I love it best bike I’ve ever owned. Next I’m looking at a specialized road bike.

  • @letour32rr
    @letour32rr Před 19 dny +1

    I mean, the essential inception of Giant Bikes as a major brand (not as a company) was unethical. After Schwinn pulled their manufacturing contract, Giant introduced its own line of Giant-branded bikes for sale to retailers carrying Schwinn bikes. Giant used the dies, plans, and technological expertise from Schwinn to greatly expand the market share of bicycles made under the Giant label, first in Europe, and later in the United States. The only difference between what Mike did with the Richey and what Giant did with Schwinn is that Giant had been the producer. However, both got wealthy using other people's intellectual property. So all being fair, Giant is no better than these ripoff Chinese companies selling blank Pinarello's, far undercutting the profits of the company who invested so much in designing the initial product.

  • @richf.7845
    @richf.7845 Před 21 dnem +1

    Went from a great innovative brand to the true evil empire.

  • @OriginalTrev
    @OriginalTrev Před 19 dny

    When Specialized brought their "FutureShock" to market, I thought BRILLIANT!! Finally! Gotta getta Sirrus... Now 5 years later it costs $500 to replace a non-serviceable part and the newest updated version is still non-serviceable, so my choice now is to buy a $400 carbon fork and $100 suspension stem or shop around for a GIANT FastRoad SL2

    • @borano2031
      @borano2031 Před 17 dny +1

      Gotta love "integration"..... Rgr

  • @user-lx6oj4mx3i
    @user-lx6oj4mx3i Před 22 dny +1

    For many many years, mountain bikes were fat tired 10 speeds withsome crazy narrow bars and 3 ft stem.
    Glad they figured it out

  • @TheArimatheus
    @TheArimatheus Před 11 dny

    I've ridden the big red S since the mid 90's.
    I know Mike, raced with Ned, and Shaun.
    I currently have a Stumpy, Epic, Roubaix, and Diverge in my fleet.
    Nobody in America makes a product that can compete. Who's better? Cannondale with their proprietary tech? Trek, with their overpriced crap?
    I raced on the factory team when we were sponsored by Mountain Dew in 1997.

  • @kaylamoss1768
    @kaylamoss1768 Před 22 dny +3

    Buddy is the real star of this video 😍

  • @anthonyobrzut699
    @anthonyobrzut699 Před 12 dny +2

    Nothing happened to them, theyre still here

  • @jimbo4203
    @jimbo4203 Před 22 dny +1

    The closest shop to me is a Specialized shop and I've bought a few bikes from them in the past , always great service and bikes I would definitely buy from them again 😊

  • @MarkoSimenc
    @MarkoSimenc Před 10 dny

    Not true. First mountain specific bike was Joe Breeze Breezer 1 made from scratch

  • @eric_bender
    @eric_bender Před 3 dny

    Arrogance took them down. I was a dealer since 1983. In that time they went from our favorite, most profitable line to the polar opposite. They made superior bicycles & were great innovators. They were also greedy & did not allow their dealers to be profitable. Quel dommage. It breaks my heart to see their transition from the #2 IBD Brand to virtual obscurity, overnight! They pissed on enough people that when push came to shove, it was easy to say, Bye. I miss a hand full of products, and celebrate the lack of pressure. Our industry is changing & they are leading that change. LoL

  • @WrestlingRob1
    @WrestlingRob1 Před 12 dny

    Wait... you realize how involved in the world of cycling the Walmart family is, right? Have you ever heard of Bentonville, AR? You know... the mountain bike capital of the country (maybe world?). They also happen to own Rapha, among other bike brands. So I definitely wouldn't assume their involvement in Specialized is going to bring their bikes into an actual Walmart store. I've yet to see any Rapha gear at a Walmart. If anything, they've made Rapha a better brand, with more reasonable pricing.

  • @woodybeck8077
    @woodybeck8077 Před 22 dny +4

    Sounds like Bill Gates!!!

  • @wvjeepguy8178
    @wvjeepguy8178 Před 22 dny +4

    Way too expensive at normal prices. Even at 40%, not always a good option.

  • @dgriffinm
    @dgriffinm Před 10 dny

    Would probably not ever own a Giant bicycle

  • @dadewar
    @dadewar Před 23 dny +3

    Haro

  • @ronb9901
    @ronb9901 Před 6 dny

    Specialized, the most soulless bike company run by the most soulless man.

  • @17cream
    @17cream Před 22 dny +2

    Great bikes, but unfortunately out of the reach of the most individual, crazy prices

  • @asifitmatters1
    @asifitmatters1 Před 22 dny +3

    Specialized make really good bikes. They work! Just like apple it does what it says on the box. Sure the service can at times be absolutely abysmal, but it’s way better than small brands like Nicolai or Forestal. And the notion that Specialized costs more is simply not true. It’s your choice to buy a bike the minute it comes out for rrp. I got my most recent Kenevo SL at a huge discount, and my Como SL for almost 65% off directly from Specialized. So as long as you are willing to wait a year or two after launch, which really isn’t a big deal, you can always get a great deal! And then you get a lot of bang for your buck!

    • @daniellarson3068
      @daniellarson3068 Před 22 dny

      I'm just an old retired guy so not an avid cyclist. I will tell you that there is a Giant store near me and a Specialized store. The Specialized store has much higher prices. Both sell bicycles that get me from point A to point B. I'd just as soon do so at the lower price. But,..Android phones and Windows have been good enough too.

    • @asifitmatters1
      @asifitmatters1 Před 22 dny +3

      @@daniellarson3068 well a Rolls Royce and a Dacia also get you from point a to point b… so if all you want is to get from point a to point b and don’t care about the journey then that’s fair enough. Specialized and Giant aren’t really the same “beast” though.

    • @daniellarson3068
      @daniellarson3068 Před 22 dny

      @@asifitmatters1 They don't sell the Dacia brand here in the Great Lakes region. My limited experience with French cars is that they don't hold up. Otherwise, it looks like a low cost practical electric car. It would be cheaper to operate than the Rolls Royce. As you said it would get me from point A to point B. If they were reliable, this Dacia would be the choice. I do think the Specialized and Giant bicycle would have similar longevity. The British bike brand Ribble seems to give good value. I see some of them around here. Thanks for the comment. I guess there's no hope for me.

    • @borano2031
      @borano2031 Před 17 dny +1

      @@daniellarson3068 Dacia is French technology assembled in Romania. Rgr

  • @SilverShamrock71
    @SilverShamrock71 Před 22 dny +2

    Nothing here that is really damning, they took a great idea and ran with it, seems no one else was going to. I would say they created the genre or at least brought it to the masses, genius business and marketing practices rather than shady, products are good too. I am not affiliated to Specialized btw, despite the avatar, I just own one of their gravel hybrids and like the brand, I grew up with BMX and hardtail MTB. Always wanted a Rockhopper back in the day, but had Diamond Backs and Konas. I'm coming back to cycling this year after a 15 year break. I'm also a huge fan of Collies 😊

    • @Mikadobiscuits
      @Mikadobiscuits Před 21 dnem

      Defending Specialised slimey actions with a Spesh logo as your avatar - you have zero credibility

    • @SilverShamrock71
      @SilverShamrock71 Před 21 dnem

      @@Mikadobiscuits You're entitled to your opinion

  • @PlayingInVestapol
    @PlayingInVestapol Před 22 dny +2

    All this and yet I have never heard of this brand.

  • @anonymouspubliccitizen5000

    Is it about bikes or making a buck? Both, but one will always predominate. Their law department is hilarious.

  • @RasputinReview
    @RasputinReview Před 21 dnem +1

    I almost bought one of their entry-level hybrids last week because they are very cheap, but they are just... kind of ugly. offputtingly ugly in a weird way

  • @kevinmanzo862
    @kevinmanzo862 Před 22 dny

    why is taiwan so heavily involved with MTB

  • @trailblazeratv6306
    @trailblazeratv6306 Před 22 dny

    Giant Trance is better imo

  • @HanMoP
    @HanMoP Před 17 dny

    Same shitshow when Shimano rolled over Hammerheads ass and withdrew the Di2 license.
    Therefore I pay more to avoid Shitmano products.

  • @27bikebrothers27
    @27bikebrothers27 Před 21 dnem

    big F ..k for Spec no for me thank you

  • @thomasbecker7005
    @thomasbecker7005 Před 22 dny +4

    If you don't like it , don't buy it. We do have choice. There better things to do with your time
    Shut up and RIDE YOUR BIKE.😊

    • @bill7853
      @bill7853 Před 5 dny

      why are you spending time on here giving advice that you don't appear to follow yourself ?

  • @paulvanreesch2493
    @paulvanreesch2493 Před 22 dny

    Guess what? The story of Specialized is the history of Capital.

  • @ChrisBakerElToro
    @ChrisBakerElToro Před 22 dny +1

    Interesting take. Personally I’ve owned 7 different Specialized bikes and 1 Yeti over the last 9 years. I also use Specialized gear. Shoes, helmets, bibs, saddles etc. I’ve never had an issue with their so-called “shady business practices” or any of their products. The Covid years?? Yeah well every outdoor recreation company was taking advantage of the situation. I guess I’m a Specialized fanboy 🤣 hey they make a great product and I don’t need to be a Dentist to afford them

  • @ianmagnuson1777
    @ianmagnuson1777 Před 17 dny

    Specialized stole the design for the Stumpjumper... but would later sue other companies to the ground for bs reasons. I hate specialized.

  • @seventysevenfiji
    @seventysevenfiji Před 22 dny +2

    Or Specialized democratized mountain biking... But the copy story is canon by now. One could say that Tom Ritchey was way worse. The true master of "plaster your name on anything and make a buck out of it". All these guys were close back then, unlikely that all this happened without the others knowing or being involved

    • @johnnycab8986
      @johnnycab8986 Před 22 dny +2

      Looks like Sinyard was the only one with funds to get the MTB mass produced due to his success with importing parts. Dunno how you can really blame him. I'm sure there was a general geometry many small builders were toying with at the time.

    • @seventysevenfiji
      @seventysevenfiji Před 22 dny +1

      @@johnnycab8986 someone will always be the first with the guts and the foresight.

  • @DM-hw4cr
    @DM-hw4cr Před 22 dny +1

    Specialized sells great shoes and tires at a very reasonable price. Not just bikes.

  • @mortlow6688
    @mortlow6688 Před 22 dny +1

    $pecialized…