3 LIES Holding You Back as a New Cyclist
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- It's hard to find good advice for new cyclists trying to get faster, and some popular beliefs can actually slow you down. Here I share 3 "lies" that I fell for as a new cyclist, so you don't make the same mistakes. Take note and you'll be faster before you know it.
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Friendly PSA: Don't buy speed from bikers. Oh... nevermind, wrong room
Unless you declare them as "business expenses"
I mean it is good advice… 😂
😂 Just say no.
They will say anything to justify wearing lycra.
The calves of a Greek God and the arms of a T-Rex!!
The perfect body... for a very select group 😅
I resemble that remark ahaha
I’ve seen cycling coaches advising amateurs to stop weight lifting so much as it was going against their cycling performance.
i look like an orc, big belly big calves, small head
@@twowheelsandcroissant That's not too bad. I have the genitals of a greek model.
It's uncanny... I went through all of those phases on the lycra: baggy shorts and t-shirt because I didn't want to look like an idiot... then to cheap cycling shorts and cheap cycling shirt because I realised all that flapping was slow and uncomfortable... next to slightly upgraded shorts and tighter shirt... finally to expensive bib shorts and jersey because they fit much better and I'm now convinced I look awesome in them.
one of us! 🫡
You dont....
I think a lot of riders looks very good in lycra, got passed by Johannes Kulset /Uno-x one day and he looked superfantastic. I saw lycras with nice olive green colour that looks very good, but I stick to more flashy colors because of visibility in trafic/safety. I dont look best in lycra (more fit people look better) but thats not my problem, I enjoy the ride and seeing whats in front of my eyes.
Lol, my partner calls my sugar water 'hummingbird food'. A bit of lime juice and table salt makes it more drinkable.
putting a bit of Salt into your drink is an underrated hack. (Unless its already included in your sports drink).
My favorite
Fact. You will get passed by more experienced rider. This will happen less often over time, but there are always going to be more experienced riders. Don't let it ruin your ride and take all the fun out of the sport.
Even more irritating...is being dropped by the new cyclist...😭😭😭🤣
Hold on a sec here, when the newbie gets over getting passed, he'll start to see those passing as carrots to chase after and try to draft as long as possible just to prove a point that they're not slow just taking it easy!
Same for running. Be ok with getting passed. No one else is judging you for being slow, they're just getting on with their own runs
@@StettafireI disagree. I’m not ok with getting passed (even by e-bikes), and that drives me to improve.
Each of us chooses how we ride, and hopefully we’re introspective enough to know what we want from cycling.
I'm only annoyed when a 70-year old gray-haired e-biker passes me. I'm in my 40's and a little over-weight for a cyclist so I probably can't compete with younger riders anymore. But I'm also passing some other riders wearing spandex while I don't. Still, I only compete with myself, to be in better shape.
I was a t-shirt rider for years, and I was amazed at the difference when I got my first real kit. This is a great video! A lot of valuable advice packed into 14 minutes.
When did you come out.
Another great video Mitch. I've loved watching your journey going from a beginner cyclist to a seasoned athlete. Very inspirational.
Going for an ebike like the Kawasaki Ninja can really improve your confidence if you're new.
not with the average american learning how to corner on a wallie lot
Thanks for the info on formula369. I used your link and my bag came this week. After trying, I can say I feel similar to when fueled by Maurten 320, which I used for an event last year. I feel that is too expensive to use for training, so thanks again for this alternative.
By the way, I enjoy your videos; your personality, humor, and storytelling.
Not a beginner but still greatly enjoyed the video, and was reminded of a thing or two! Nice work, and thanks for putting this out there!
Since I’m not racing speed isn’t my main focus - getting fitter is, so as long as my Watts are going up I’m good 👍🏻 Therefore comfort and ease (aka lack of mechanicals) is the main goal.
If I was racing though, then it’s ALL about speed!
Carbs though, are a universal truth for all endurance sports - no matter what your goals are
The video we all needed 😅 thanks mate
Cool stuff, informative, easy to listen to and humorous. New sub for ya lad.
I would say most people don't buy new bikes because they want more speed. They just want a nice looking bike and that's totally fine
thats right. and when you have nice looking bike, you’re going to want it ride more
That's what some so called cyclist don't understand. People buy a bike because they like how it look, not because it's fast. Yet they keeps mocking new bikes while praising their clapped 2005 bikes
True im slow heavy and i ride my bike not that much maybe 3k a year , but its titanium keep it in in the livingroom just for decoration purposes 👀
Woah woah woah don’t come in here making sense and being reasonable like that! 😜🫡
Or because they want to get into a new discipline. When I started as a road biker I didn't know that mountain biking was better.
Now I have a road bike (my oldest bike, 21,000 miles), a gravel bike and two mountain bikes. It's great and so much fun!
Beginner here! Got some chuckles and learned some stuff! Subscribed!
can't wait to follow all these tips to get to work faster! Exciting!
This was the perfect intro to cycling video we all needed. LOVED the zone of delusion as well. Fully LOL moment. Keep the vids coming. Instant sub I was so impressed in a world of meh...
Love this! nice video Mitch!
love your videos mitch!!
Great video Mitch . keep up the good work
The demonization of carbs in the fitness world needs to stop. Carbs are life and energy, especially for very active people. And the only fasting I'm going to do is when I'm sleeping.
Your last conclusion line is hilarious and perfect 🤩 😂
Love it! I'm not a speed bike, but a MTB, and most of the advice suits well! :3
I never thought I’d wear Lycra. I bought a road bike and did MTB shorts and a t shirt…. After a few weeks I gave in. Now I love the Lycra and and slowly building up a whole wardrobe
It sneaks up on ya!
same with me just a week ago lol
Thank you Sir! Great advice
Another great video. Let me know when you want to come to NC, we'll go climb a couple mountains
Great content and presentation. 👍
Glad you took my advice on the mo. If you did a ramp test your ftp would have gone from 300 to Badass! 😂
Glad I found this channel! I signed up for a 100 mile race in August and I am just a beginner (long story about my grandpa giving me his bike). Can you tell me when it comes to carbs... what tells you they dont work well with your body? is the goal to feel the energy, belly feel great, no poop? Lol
That's awesome! Good luck with your first race. Definitely "practice" eating carbs on your training rides. You should eat the same thing during your training and the race, because everybody responds a little differently to different foods. Also, taking in a lot of carbs can be difficult to do at first as it requires you to eat a lot more than you may be used to. I like using drink mixes because it's easier to drink from a water bottle while riding than unwrapping a bar or energy gel, but some people say drink mixes upset their stomach, and they prefer solid foods. My best advice would be to try a couple different things and find what works best for you.
I'm not sure what your recipe for your videos is. I can't figure out why I enjoy them but all I know is that I do.
Lots and lots of glucose
That lycra thing is very true. I went as fast as I could in lycra got speed of 41 km/h, three days later, same road, same max effort, but a loose jacket- 39 km/h. Another great thing with lycra is the backpockets. I love them.
Bearing in mind that 2Km/h during a max effort can mean a lot to some people, and nothing at all to other people. Most people who care about how fast they get from A to B choose a motorized vehicle of some sort.
@@Frostbiker I am fat and 62 years old and appreciate everything that helps. When I visit my mother I am going 55 km over tarmac and dirt throug hills climbing 500 meters. It is hard enough with dedicated clothes.I like to go on my superfast gravelbike in clothing that works. On small trips what I likes best with my lycra is the pockets on the back. No other clothes I have do have these pockets where i carry my phone and something more.
my pants have pockets, better yet, all my clothing has pockets and dont make me look like an activist
I just came off an 09' Allez that I had upgraded piece by piece - really to make it more comfortable. I just got a Winspace SLR 2.0 carbon fiber frame, and it is a night-and-day improvement over a 15-year-old aluminum frame in the comfort department. As they say, fast is smooth, and smooth is fast!
Lifelong BMX rider getting into road cycling, this video was great, thanks! 😂😂😂
Bonking is actually wonderful in retrospect….to have that reference point
Fun informative videos. 😀 thanks!!
I can confirm J graph, I was embarrassed of wearing Lycra. Now I love it and its super comfy
Haha glad to hear my hypothesis has merit and it was not just my experience 🫡
All true. Though the most effective upgrades are always upgrading yourself. Thus such thing as training plan and direct drive trainer for your pain cave got top ROI of all the upgrades.
You inflate my ego too much
There are two kinds of “buying a new bike”, one is “replace this with that” (for whatever reason: looks, component upgrades, performance upgrades, proper sizing). The other is “add X to my stable because it’s for .”
I’ve done a mix of both: upgrading my “fast” road bike 3 times (once for size), and my gravel bike 2 times (once for sizing). But I added a dedicated trainer bike for convenience, an endurance bike for comfort, and a flat-bar gravel for more technical off-roading than I was comfortable doing on my gravel.
Sure, I could probably have consolidated all my drop-bar bikes into a single frame with 2-3 sets of wheels. My was was more expensive, but each serves its own purpose even with overlap.
you should invest in a grannybike, millions of people use it and their sole and only bike, but im sure you think youre the expert here
Love the insane lycra bit 😂the chart 🤌
Good video, I don't necessarily agree with the new handlebar upgrade, I think that can be a good one. Don't forget that as you said 80% of the drag comes from you, the rider and the handlebar plays a big part of your riding position. Of course the no 1 important thing you need for an aero position is a strong core but if you are like Chris Froome (tall and super skinny with long limbs) then you might be the person with the strongest core on the planet, but if you are riding with a 44cm handlebar and a 70mm stem and have a saddle designed only for climbing then holding an aero position will still be likely very painful after 20-30 minutes of riding.
Having said that I think the 4th lie that perhaps hold a lot of beginner cyclists back is that pro/retül bike fitting is a waste of money. There are of course better and worse bike fitters but if you are member of a local club then you can ask the club members, mainly more experienced ones who they can recommend as the best bike fitter of your local area.
I have more cycling clothes than regular cloths. It's also important that my shoes match. I truly believe look good, feel good, and ride good.
last week i did a test and turns out my w/kg is 5.3 lol, only trained about 2 or 3 three times a week so apparentely i am talented! Keep it up Mitch, great content!
WOAHHH! Dude that's amazing!! 💪
@@MitchBoyer thanks!
How long was the test, 2 min.? 😂
All I hard was "buy a new Aero bike"!
Thanks for convincing me :)
I have three road bikes (excluding vintage), a 2022 Vitus Razor, a 1992 Trek 2300 composite, and a 1997 Olmo Giro. There isn’t much speed difference between them unless on a very long descent. On an average ride it’s minimal. Lycra is a far bigger difference.
I have a self built fixed gear death trap with pursuit bars and a nice gravel bike. I rode the gravel bike for half a year thinking it might just be a tad slower than a road bike and then had to switch back to the fixed gear while the gravel got a check up. Its 4kmh difference on average even though the hubs on the fixie belong in the trash at this point
Beginner here. You’ve pushed me to try Lycra. Cheers.
welcome 🫡
I've discovered buying pure carb powder is way cheaper. Between Maltodextrin and Dextrose, is one better than the other? I'd choose Cluster Dextrin over anything, but it's nearly double the price. Opinions on this would be greatly appreciated.
More important thing about lycra than speed iml is the functionality on the bike. Both the padded shorts for comfort and the back pockets in the jersey for storage, anything else is not allowing you to cycle as it's supposed to be
get a bag and ride more
Interested to see your diet video. I am 53 and been on carnivore diet for 4 months now. I don't ride 6 to 8 hour rides but have had no issue with rides of 3 to 4 hours with zero carbs. I will be experimenting with higher intensity rides because I am planning a 2200km trip.
My guess is that you do not ride hard all the time. I can ride hard up to two hours without carbs. So if I go relaxed I guess my glycogen stores would not empty much longer. As long as you feel good all is fine i would say. I eat loads and loads of carbs every day and still struggle to keep my weight (I become thinner and thinner which I do not like) since I ride roadbike regularely.
Funny thing is, when you said that it's only bikeheads who think they look good in lycra I was like wait what? Thinking about it you might be right, but I never considered other riders or myself not looking good the way we dress. Though I hardly wore anything else for bike riding since I was ten, so that might explain it. 😜 I've been thinking if it might be slightly unappropriate that I wear tights to University as well, but I guess who cares. (It is around 30 kilometers from where I live, and I've found that it's a perfect way of putting in riding time with a tight schedule if I go by bike.)
my Lyrca story... at 17 I got a pair of biker shorts for christmas... growing up a "husky" kid even though I wasn't at the time I always wore overshorts... until in the middle of a FL summer day around noon I decided to go out for a ride... I stepped outside and the heat hit me hard... I tossed the overshorts back into the house and haven't looked back... unfortuantly it took me anothe 10+ years to move to wicking/jersey type fabric for my torso... I wish someone would have told me how bad cotton T shirts where haha... these days as a SUPER CLYDE (aka fatty) I wear spandex... I ride for my comfort... not yours... in Houston the humidity sucks... wicking fabric is king
Good tips 😊
You are hilarious dude!!!
How are you liking Formula 369? I'm about to buy a bag from them to try.
Although I'm not a roadie, I just got an Aspero-5 frameset (swapped over all my GRX Di2 components) because yes, it is a bit more aero than my previous gravel bike, but also the color scheme on it is just magnificent. That and I just want to go fast on gravel. 😇
Those Aspero paint jobs always look so good!
Formula369 has worked well for me. I started out a little slow with a single scoop per bottle, but now I put up to 3 scoops (90g) per bottle depending on how intense the ride is. I’ve never had any gut issues with it and I like the fact that it’s not flavored. I do usually add some electrolyte tablets since I’m a big sweater 😅
Great video @MitchBoyer ...very much above average...like yourself 😎😁
Appreciate it Nigel, just trying to become a legend like you 🫡
@MitchBoyer 🤣🤣🤣...you know that a key feature of legends...is that they are inherently unverified?🤔🤣
@@nigelbrockton163 😂😂
Yes space balls reference!!!
Yeah, but if I have a tailwind on a climb, shouldn't I wear baggy clothes ? That would give me a huge advantage !
Oh, just don't forget a sail mast in your back pocket. You have three, remember?!
Just carry an umbrella. Much easier 😂
Nobody ever has a tailwind; they're just crushing it on that segment.
I'll never wear spandex! That's not to say I ride with wellies and a duffle coat, just some light black jogging type bottoms and a loose cycling top
Always entertaining but now with added extra informativeness. If you're going to upgrade equipment, wheels are where the bang for your buck is (with good tyres).
Aero socks give biggest bang for the buck!!!
What are your thoughts on wider tires being faster? GCN did a wattage test over two power levels showing 30s were faster than 28s and 34s were just as fast as 28s. Narrow tires aren't necessarily faster, apparently. Smoother ride, less punctures, AND faster?
I’ve never done any proper testing but I recently went from 28s to 30s on my bike (Vittoria Corsa Pro, measuring to 32mm inflated) and I’ve seen no decrease in speed. I’ve actually been getting quite a few PRs on all my local segments, but I’ve lost weight and increased my power with my training recently so it’s pretty impossible to pinpoint exactly how much of the gain can be attributed to the tire change.
@@MitchBoyer Nice one. Onwards and upwards mate.
10 years ago people would laugh at me for eating so much whilst riding, my nickname was the grazing cow!! Some of my riding buddies would literally just rub marmite on their gums and go out for 6 hour endurance 'fasted' rides. This advice is now the polar opposite! Eat more sugar!!
I look like an avocado 🥑 when I wear bike shorts and top...but I'm gonna give it a try!
What about sugar for the 50+ rider? Everything is far less efficient, does any of this still apply?
That’s a good question! I’ll ask the dietitian I’m working with for the long term health video I’m working on. My guess (so please investigate further) is that carbs in the ride are still useful. None of us normal people are burning as many calories in a ride as the pros, but it’s still important to fuel our rides, we just might not fuel up the “gas tank” as much if that makes sense. So perhaps experiment with the lower end of carbs first and see how your body responds before humping up to 90g+ and hour on big rides
Started cycling last winter and have never touched no lycras, bib shorts whatsoever. I still ride in my regular ass cotton t-shirts and baggy gym shorts and am still having so much fun, averaging around 30km/h these days in a very flat area. And no chafing and butt hurting after a few months. Guess I just adapted. I'm totally satisfied with how I ride now, so the biggest lie for me has been that you should just wear those skin suits that'll charge you like crazy $$$. But if I ever get more serious about getting faster, I'll definitely consider joining the dark side....
same for me although i just started riding. its so much fun:)
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Although I am slowly getting into cycling clothes I don't agree with the point of "go for cycling clothes". I bought them, because I had trouble with sweating on my 21 km commute, but I would recommend to wear whatever makes you having fun on your bike. Riding a bit faster is nothing compared to riding more.
I say, if you have fun on your bike and feel good, don't spend money on expensive gear to get 5% faster. On shorter rides you will spend more time with taking your bib on and off than the time you are saving during the ride. Also it is inconvenient to change clothes on the toilet at the office.
Sitting on my couch, eating beans, and I spot myself riding 0:34 in this video 😮
Know what's equally aero and emphasizes that my arms ain't? 💪🎽 Undershirts. Possibly tight ones. I think that probably looks better for my taste. Given weather allows it. The cheap jogging shorts I like most to wear ain't aero though, granted.
Great video
Holy moly, those bibs are $255! Here I thought my Castelli's at $75 were expensive.
Uhhhhh don’t google “Castelli Premio Bibshort” Your idea of brand market position may be slightly misaligned. 😂
i have three full kits of italian made gear. all bought secondhand for maybe $45 total - try a bike co op
Neopro. Cycling industry as a whole is gross.
Is it really 60 fat 40 carbs ? Ive read from utube its more 80fat 20carb when on the sofa ? Ps i just subscribed but ive not turned to lycra yet
amazing content! 60-90g carbs per hour... i'm on the 1 stage of refusing it... but i'll give it a try! cheers
Let me know how it goes, good luck!
All I got is that I'm a drag on a bike and I'm not sure how to feel about this
If it makes you feel any better, we're all a drag on our bikes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I Can't tell people enough when they are starting the cycling journey to EAT EAT EAT and the right food (carbs) I neglected this for my first few months of riding and when I started eating everything changed!
They look malnourished
Love this 😂
Perfect intro 😂
Vittoria corsa pro's are prettttty durrable. I took a new set on an accidental full on gravel ride and they were tough as nails
I don't think I get passed because I don't wear lycra or have good tires. Seems more likely that my 205 watt ftp has something to do with it. 😂 Eventually I will get both though. For now, getting fitter is the priority.
There's a demographic of cyclists that wear their cycling clothing into the ground. Saggy / see through bibs. Dudes. Consider them a consumable. They do have a lifespan. When they no longer compress and sag on you, or are threatening to go see though, replace them. There's affordable yet quality options. Quality reputable name brands do go on sale, so you don't have to settle for generic.
My biggest hold-back from embracing real cycling kit was the cost of getting kit that was comfortable. Yeah, I did the Amazon cheap stuff, but it wasn’t until I tried that I built an inventory of bibshorts & jerseys. Finding affordable, comfortable kit made it possible to give up all that loose, floppy exercise gear.
Great advice for all cyclists, not just new ones.
One of the simple sugars I like to bring along is Smartees. Aside from the tartness that can induce thirst/drinking, Smartees are almost pure dextrose (aka “baker’s sugar”), which in my experience is incredibly easy on the tummy.
And the biggest change I made to improve my performance was losing weight. Not of the bike, but of the *rider*. It took serious attention to how much & when I was eating, but I dropped 25lb between two seasons and the difference in how I felt and how fast I felt was very noticeable. Everything else was “marginal gains.”
Of course everyone needs a different fit but I found NeoPro jerseys to fit extremely well and they're very affordable. I do prefer bibs from other brands though.
The graph 😂
Bonking isn't just about running out of glycogen; it's really about your brain signaling you to slow down or stop because of low blood sugar levels-it’s trying to keep you safe. Interestingly, there's also significant fat oxidation even at very high intensities, like at 90% VO2max, and there’s solid evidence to back this up.
It’s worth noting that you didn't mention MCTs. Many professional tour riders enhance their carb intake with ketones. They also focus on training their bodies to adapt to using fats more efficiently, which helps reduce their reliance on carbs and is easier on the digestive system.
I have my own mix which has cyclic dextrin, MCTs, collagen and electrolytes. This way I stay in ketosis und have carbs and do not run into the risk of becoiming a pre-diabetic.
(This is coming from a commuter perspective vs this video, but fr still applies, you got into cycling some but just can't seem to get completley into it for whatever reason, read this lol)
I feel lucky to have genetically massive legs lol so I feel I got a head start, but tbh all the pains and stuff go away the more you ride. Literally just ride more and it will get more comfortable(Baring you do have a well fiting bike and all that jazz). Tbh what changed my mind is, bike shop guy told me this.
Big plushy saddles will get uncomfortable on long ride, but the right shape and less padding will become more comfortable the more you ride because your butt will just become tougher, the muscles around all of it grow giving you more padding lol (I mean obviously there's a line, like he rides a specialized romin evo no bibs, he said if he had that saddle like 3 years ago he'd hate it just because his butt wasn't tough enough).
So literally just don't stop riding, keep at it and eventually those slightly tough rides are a breeze and you won't even have that lil voice in the back of your head, need to go to the store to get a small thing and you would normally drive, ride your bike? Don't force yourself to only bike when training/working out. Make it fun so when it is a workout, it's just easier! Start doing small tasks on your bike that you'd normally drive.
Don't be afraid to make adjustments, keep note of pains, uncomfortable feelings, and how you ride and slowly address those things if you don't want to go drop $150-$200 on a "Normal" bike fit, not like the whole hook you up to diagnostic machines and all that to find the optimal position for power output type fit lol those are like $800 or more. The bike you have is not what you get, you can change literally everything, so it becomes more comfortable and better for you, what's best for you is what makes you ride more!
So what I’m hearing is that I can and should wear all my Jiu Jitsu rash guards and spats while riding my bike.
Perhaps maintaining properly and regularly a bike is the cheapest solution to get some speed. For example on a 22 km long ride my average speed increased from 22 km/h to 26 km/h just by cleaning and greasing the parts.
I wonder, as a fat beginner femaile rider, im able to push maybe 100 - 150W avrg on a two hour ride, should I still take in 60grams /hour even if my goal is weightloss and I'm not burning as much bc I'm not ousching as much ?
100-150 W avg on a two hour ride is awesome! You’re burning well over 1000 calories on a ride like that. If you were to take in 60g of carbs/hour that would only be 720 calories (using formula369), so you’d still be in a deficit. A catchy phrase that the Trainer Road team says in their podcast is “diet off the bike.” I’ve found if I fuel my ride properly I’m less hungry after the ride, and less likely to binge eat an entire pizza myself… or two 😅
That's actually REALLY great power for a beginner female! Keep it up youll be flying in no time!
@@MitchBoyer Thalbach you for your answer! Maybe I am overestimating my efford, but im also Not able to Not Go Full Out in my rides 😅😂
I try to have carb deficite on easy rides and only fuel for hard efforts/hard rides.
I finally embraced the Lycra on Sunday, now I looked like a bag of ….. well you know but I was averaging 1mph quicker over the ride
What does everyone eat for the carbs? And do you drink or eat carbs? Do you then need to go tothe toilet half way in a ride?
im also worried about needing to pee halfway through a ride 😅
what if you think spandex is ugly and know people think it looks really weird
My new girlfriend thinks I look good in lycra. That’s how I know she’s a keeper. 😂
At 30kph the aero difference is 4 Newtons. That's equal to the weight of 4 apples. Rider plus bike weight, vs rider plus bike plus 4 apples. I can't imagine caring, unless actively racing against someone.
my goodness. you forgot about aero socks/overshoes and aero gloves? me oh my..
😂
Wait, they make aero gloves? Where? How much?
I know about the Lie 1, but my chubby tummy laughs at me through the spandex each time I try it on. It hurts.
I wish sungod glasses weren’t so pricey. They’re nice
Made all these mistakes and believed alot of it. These days i went from going ham every ride to just relaxing. Speed was and is never the whole point of my cycling. Fitness is
There are such things called essential protein and essential fats but there is no such thing as essential carb! That says a lot about what are really essential macro nutrients. Those who are fully fat adapt never need carb, even for vigorous activities.
Why would you buy a tire that's more likely to puncture? I do not understand
This is why I'll never be a "cyclist". I can't STAND clothes that fit like a second skin, no matter how stretchy. I just always feel like i can't cool off. "Wicking fabric" is a myth, imo. And I'm not trying to go fast all the time, so the minimal drag of slightly looser clothes doesn't bother me.
A plus of riding somewhat slower is that i sometimes find interesting things people dropped on the road. I found a Gerber eab lite still in the package once. I've also found tools, brand-new Sharpies, a couple of pairs of scissors, several golf balls and other random items.
one of the best video for beginner's advice out there.. information is on spot