I Think WE ALL Owe Tori Vega/Victoria Justice An Apology | Victorious
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- čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
- So many people hate Tori Vega, but is there really any valid reason to?
Twitter: / tronnvs
Chapter Times:
0:00 Intro
3:05 I Think WE'RE ALL Tori
13:38 I Think WE ALL Make Mistakes
25:45 I Think WE ALL Sing
#victorious #nickelodeon #icarly #arianagrande #victoriajustice - Krátké a kreslené filmy
Paramount blocked the first video, they want to block the truth, but the truth will prevail.
Like taylor swift said "sweet like JUSTICE karma is A QUEEN"
@@andyfro6907 KARMA TAKES ALL MY FRIENDS TO THE SUMMITT
@@bramvanharen689 facts
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Cringe. Stop acting heroic, you're just another flop irrelevance
I like how Ariana fans hate a fictional character for homewrecking but they're bending over backwards to defend Ariana's real life homewrecking.
ironic isn't it?
OOP get em
And it's not even her first time being a homewrecker. She's only dated taken men in the past decade. Heck she even wrote a whole song about it that she'll take yours. Girl has been problematic ever since the donut incident but her fans never wanted to hold her accountable for anything. Ever since the donut incident, not once has she shown growth in attitude or behavior.
Preach
Sorry. I don’t follow celebrities what happened with Ariana? I’m not a fan though.
I hate when people say Trina is untalented just because she can’t sing. Her talent is martial arts.
Can't forget about chicago
I'd like to think fighting is an outlet for all her pent up anger towards her family
@@edatheowllady9518 I thought it was because their dad is a cop. Tori could fight too.
That’s a skill
she's an entertainer and the founding mother of "you only have to have fucking confidence"
It is a crime that Jade and Tori never got more duets. Take a Hint was fire
they complemented each other really well. not even just voice wise but also performance wise. like that scene was definitely the most memorable of the entire show for me
Take a Hint is in and of itself a reason to watch the show. Also Tori and Jade should be end game their chemistry was off the charts. As adults in a reboot it should just be them coming to terms with that
The only song in the show I actively revisit. I loved it.
@charlesintune
yeah, I am pretty sure me watching Tori and Jade was the beginning of my gay awakening. I love both Liz and Victoria.
Still hearing this song till today
Honestly, the hate was so unwarranted. Realistically, Jade was actually physically abusive to many people and so many fans are like "wow haha so quirky I love her" just because Liz is hot but like, she honestly could've killed Tori multiple times. There's no justification.
Extactly like remember in the episode where Tori got the lead in a play and Robbie is in the hospital and needed to get surgey because of toy car being in his….um rectum. Anyway during the whole episode Jade had tried multiple time to prevent Tori of doing the play by
1. Have sinjin trick Tori by calling and telling her that he works for Lady Gaga and asking Tori to dance and sing backup in a new music video.
2.getting her hand on her medical record and using bush daises which Tori is allergic *seriously I’m surprise that she not serving time for that*
3.taking Tori pint blood and hiding which would be consider tampering legal wise *i’ll admit I can’t blame her the two time Tori had to get more blood drawn. But seriously!!!! Not only is endangering her but also Robbie as well*
It is true!
I just hate how people take out their dislike of the character on actual people 😭 That’s what’s so upsetting
@@jesuslovesyoudontforgetit5343so true
Notice how most Tori stans are neurotypical cis white sapphics
Imagine getting mad over an actress saying "we all can sing" when refering to a tv show where literslly everyone of the main damn cast.... could.... sing.... i mean, its literally the plot
Exactly.
I'll admit I didn't watch this whole video yet, but if you're speaking about the viral video of Victoria saying "we all sing", not "we all *can* sing". It doesn't mean what you think it means
It had nothing to do with anyone's ability or talent. They were talking about who out of all them sings around the set a lot, and everyone was saying it was Ariana and someone said Liz also did, and Victoria seemed to get offended? and said "I think we all sing"
Yes, she looked jealous and petty, but people blew it out of proportion
@@zahraa4149 no she wasnt offended and even if she was shes a human everyone experience jealousy. people attack her act like shes a alien and being jealous is weird.Hate all yall for attacking her for showing normal emotions, Disgusting.
She wasn't jealous or offended, people just read way too much into it. Lord.@@zahraa4149
I really hate, and think we all hate Arianna licking public donuts, being rude to customer service people, and saying she hates Americans? Oh just me 😅 I mean let's all hate that other girl! Hate Hate hate hate
Hold on now, the Victorious music was EXCELLENT. The problem with Victorious was that they wanted only Victoria Justice to be successful, when the show is about a school for the arts. Hannah Montana was ONLY about Miley, there was no one to compare her to. High School Musical made Zac Efron very popular cuz Troy was relatable and just wanted to be himself. Victorious missed the mark on allowing Tori to be relatable. If they actively showed that Tori wasn’t as good as the others, but wanted to become more worthy as time went on, that would feel relatable to the kids, and Victoria Justice would’ve became super successful
I think Tori was relatable in the sense of being normal kid going to a performing arts school and feeling weird. I definitely love take a hint and give it up but I think most of the songs are forgettable.
Yeah you can't say the music was bad then say "Let it Shine", a bottom tier song on the show, was good lmao. The music was great
@@Tronn9672 she was not relatable from the day they hyped her up to be the next Beyoncé or something and that’s why everyone hates her…if she had to actually TRY to achieve ANYTHING people would respect her or even like her but she took opportunities from more talented artist (that doesn’t even mean the og cast but literally anyone with talent in her vicinity). She would land major gigs for breathing air in the room and yea she can sing and dance but why did everyone else have to get their mics lowered and their talents hidden to show an average artist? They could have all shined and the show would’ve had better music and characters overall…it’s more of a writing error then casting error, but is that any surprise with everyone’s favorite producer Dan Schneider
@@Tronn9672 all the songs are iconic wym
@@naheomepierre312The show was written for Victoria so that’s why she got the most focus and it was basically wish fulfillment for little girls who wanted to sing. It didn’t bother me growing up because it was clearly Victoria’s project similar to shows like Hannah Montana.
People need to remember only TORI was at Hollywood arts to become a pop star.
Andre wanted to be a songwriter.
Jade and Beck were becoming actors.
Cat was becoming… something.
And Robbie was there.
All to say is, the show _did_ in fact establish Tori as THE one to sing. Everyone was given a decent amount of songs as well considering their main thing wasn’t singing, but it honestly makes sense Tori sang the most (also combined with the fact she was the MAIN CHARACTER for goodness sakes.
Literally this!
I always thought they each of the characters had their own "majors"
Andre - songwriting, music production
Jade - directing/producing, minor in acting
Beck - film and theatre acting
Cat - musical theatre, with a minor in hairstyling and makeup
Robbie - stand-up comedy, with a minor in technical theatre
Tori - vocal music, minor in acting
Trina - I always thought her major was acting seeing as how she was able to put up her own musical, and act in Tori's play. I feel like she's trying to minor in vocal music, but after being turned down repeatedly, I think her minor is actually stuntwork or fight choreography/directing since she's seen practicing her fighting skills a lot throughout the show. Trina's the toughest one to pin-down, imo.
@@shreybaee ngl this would actually be the perfect plot for a Victorious reboot where they're all in a performing arts college. you absolutely nailed it.
Yes!! Also she was cast as the main character for a reason. The main character isn’t the main character just because they are the most talented they are the main character because they fit in the storyline the best!
The Tori hate is a double standard since all Beck ever did was stand there and look hot. He wasn’t very interesting either
He he was SUCH a boring actor I never understood how that was meant to be his talent lmfao
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@@alicenikolai The episode where Tori has zombie make up and they perform a play where Tori's love interests are Robbie and Beck is so funny to me because, the whole joke of the play is that everyone is so dismissive about Robbie's acting but I'm like, at least he has fun with the role, Beck is just a blank slate and everyone praises his acting for some reason.
Is the double standard in the room with us? Your take doesn't makes sense bc he's like the second character people dislike the most after Tori from what I've seen, should've picked Jade being a b'tch as an example 🥴
The Tori hate made no sense because Jade poured black coffee in her hair and called her a dog on the first day of school. Jade also tried to kill her over a childish school play. Personally, I think tori should’ve did worse than flirt with her bf but that’s just me. I don’t even understand why Tori felt some obligation of loyalty to Jade.
It’s hilarious how people STILL hate on Vic to this day. It’s been THIRTEEN years. Over a decade. I remember seeing someone recently laugh at her for being a “flop” compared to Ariana when she “flopped” bc people bullied the shit out of her. She didn’t even flop. She has a pretty decent acting career.
Her singing career as well..one of my fav song of hers is "stay"
Yeah Victoria Justice was a child actor/singer. Most kids aren't successful when they grow into adults since they're always seen as a kid. Ariana Grande was an outlier in the whole group. The other cast members were also very talented too.
It’s because she never took accountability even as an adult. Everyone who’s worked with her is lying ? Even Alexa Nicholas came out saying she was a horrible person to work with . She should be thankful Ariana made up that “broadway person” excuse. The worst part is she still won’t ever own up to her own actions, even as an adult!: you were rude to people, left the show without ending it properly because you thought you were above everyone else, thought you were going to pull a Miley Cyrus and it didn’t work. The fact that she can’t just say “hey I was terrible to work with , didn’t treat people right and I will do better” is probably why this thing still haunts her. The fact that she has to do petty things like leave coachella the second Ariana grande comes on speaks volumes and this was recently if you wanna talk 13 years lol
People have hated a bad video game that's almost 20 years old now. It's not that surprising sadly
@@samuelgalea7679 As an Ariana Grande stan, I don’t trust nothing coming from my own fanbase bc y’all were the main ones trashing her. The Alexa thing was a fight over a boy when they were 12 and the Coachella thing is not that deep. Who cares if she walked out.
I never got how the "we ALL sing" got so blown out of proportion. She was trying to give credit where it was due.
Exactly! It is always odd when you feel like you are the only one who understands something, until someone else mentions it.
I never got it myself. To me the scene reads as "Oh you sing so much" "Omg no but you sing so much too!" "Shut uuup, you sing soo much haha" and then someone gets tired of the "you do too" shenanigans and ends it with "Yeah we all do that" It's not that deep
I was so with Victoria at that moment. But by then Ariana was too famous and her crazy fans already hated Tori for taking all the limelight in the show and away from Ariana.
Ariana fans were bullies lol they stayed trolling everybody on twitter
@ziedyee and I think that's exactly why people had an issue with it. I was like 10 when I saw that video and at the time I saw Victoria as the "party pooper" but I was a child haha. I think ppl still hold that narrative though
I think it’s hilarious that Ariana fans tried (and kind of successfully) cancelled Victoria for playing Tori because Tori was somewhat of a home wrecker. But they turn the other way when Ariana is actually being a home wrecker.
girl how tf can FANS cancel a popular artist?? victorias career tanked because well her music literally sucks and she’s not that great of a singer. victoria was bigger than ariana back then she was literally the STAR of the show.
@@krystal4301 I think you are underestimating the power of fans. They can shape, create and destroy people’s careers. I liked Victoria’s music and so did a lot of other people, but we were outnumbered by the Ariana fans.
@@stitchedmouthgirl which is weird considering victoria had a bigger following with zoey 101, victorious and other things. how y’all let a newcomer take over like that 🤣🤣
@@krystal4301 Victoria was better known at the time but definitely didn’t have the following, especially not after Victorious because Tori was no one’s favourite character. Cat was a lot of people’s favourite character and Ariana could definitely sing the best out of the whole cast. Victoria didn’t stand a chance against most of the Victorious cast, when it came to become famous after the show, especially not against Ariana. Which is why I feel like Victorious partly destroyed her career, because if it wasn’t for Victorious, Ariana’s new army of fans wouldn’t of cared about Victoria at all and wouldn’t of gone out of their way to hate on her. So much so production companies were hesitant to work with Victoria after Victorious because they knew Ariana’s fans would hate it out of existence like they did with Victoria’s post Victorious music.
Haha true. Their precious little idol ended up being a billion times worse than the fictional character they bashed Victoria for playing.
Jade's talent is directing. There was one episode where she made a play and wanted her father to approve of it.
And her audition in Helen Back Again was a short film she wrote, directed and starred in. And we can’t forget ‘Clowns Don’t Bounce.’
Fun fact: Tori and Beck are best friends in real life, and have been childhood friends since before the show! :)
that’s really sweet i had no idea they were that close :)
They were in the movie spectacular together
@@Rainap806 Didn't know that, thanks :)
Cute! But also kinda weird for the show to constantly want to put them in intimate scenes when their bffs
@@Rainap806 looooved that movie as a kid. lol
The amount of hate Tori got was definitely overwhelming. Everytime I even tried revisiting the series, I'd find another person way too butthurt over Tori's existence. Tori is by no means my favourite character, but I can acknowledge that the hate she does get is a bit much. Also the Ariana stans who like blamed Victoria for the fact Cat didnt sing much on the show is just... no.
I agree
Victorious will always be a great show for me because it is how I discovered Victoria Justice. I still say she was the best character on the show and have followed her career since the show premiered. For years, people have been saying and arguing that Ariana Grande was the biggest star on the show. Victoria Justice is still making movies and TV shows, Ariana Grande was popular as a teen pop star for some time after the show ended, and I haven't even heard about her in a while.
@@DerekThomasLirio hahahahah no way you're serious... I have no personal stake in this but ariana is an A list celebrity, victoria made like 2 shows that got cancelled, and a handful of songs that nobody has heard of unless they think "is Victoria justice still alive" and google her. At least eye candy was good, shame it got cancelled
@@barbequesauceonmytiddies Well, you just proved that you're not up to date. Victoria Justice has starred in about 10 movies and a few different shows, including Victorious, Eye Candy, The Real Bros Of Simi Valley. Ariana's music was popular for some time after Victorious ended, but haven't heard any talk of it for a while. Victoria is still being cast in movies and shows. No doubt, Ariana was a popular singer. But Victoria Justice has remained a popular actress and still records music every so often as well.
@@DerekThomasLirio no one is up to date on victoria justice, thats the point… im sorry if this is your childhood sexual awakening crush i dont mean any offence but to 90% of the people that know her im pretty sure she’s still just Tori from Victorious or MAYBE that little girl from zoey 101 they haven’t thought about much … I just googled and ariana has two grammys, sold 90 million records and was the first solo artist to hold the top three spots on the Hot 100 simultaneously. Liz gillies had a lead role on Dynasty that was SO successful and introduced her to a much much much wider audience. Objectively, Victoria’s career has been the poorest, its not like i wish that for her im just not sure how this is even a question?
More reasons to defend Tori against Jade. In season 1 she helped Jade with her play even though she had been really mean to her all semester. Also in season 1, Jade accuses Tori of attacking her and the whole school turns against her. She gets detention for a week and when Jade gets exposed for lying, Tori doesn’t even tell anyone and just accepts a punishment that she didn’t deserve. If things were reversed, the Internet would’ve ripped Tori to shreds but since it’s Jade, everything is all good.
Fr even though I like jade that made me sooo mad
I remember this episode when Jade almost killed Tori by having her keep drawing blood for donations so she can get the lead 💀
@@mollypop6887yet tori is the bad guy
@@CosmosGemhow?
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Conclusion : Tori is hated because she breathes
And honestly she didn't break Jade' and Beck' relationship, Beck did it himself, but yeah I guess it's easier to hate on women, even in a TV show made for kids.
Exactly. And frankly, Jade deserved to be dumped. She was possessive and jealous regarding Beck to a degree that everyone would be calling it out if the genders were reversed.
Most important: It's a show. It not fucking real life!! Are they so dumb???
@@PhoenixRising87I agree
@@PhoenixRising87 Yeah they both sucked
My only problem over this topic is how people excuse all the other character's more serious issues over Tori's even minor problems, like how Beck is a flirt to any girl even when he's already dating, Jade clearly going all out to harm others for any wrongdoing to her, Cat causing many plain dumb errors, Robbie's shenanigans, Trina being inept in many ways; and all of them combined make it sound like Tori was still the worst ever. How?? And then they link it to the actress herself and hate on Victoria also, like what has she done to even deserve all this? All over FICTION?
Like, people can't get over being upset at Tori (which is understandable in these situations but they're both from the 1st season and she became a much better person) for kissing Beck or Cat's boyfriend (her ex) in that one episode. But no one ever talks about Beck flirting with girls while dating Jade, when they broke up l, he immediately started driving groups of girls to school, and started trying to get with Tori. Also, no one ever found it weird that Beck kissed every girl (Jade, Tori, Cat AND Trina). Sure it wasn't romantic for most of these, but that's still weird
This was all I needed. Andre was perfect😭😭💕💕💕
Actually it's because Victoria Justice said Arianna grande was the reason the show got canceled calling her mean and a bully to everyone on set and Actually got a shit ton of heat and hate thrown at Arianna who told us how Victoria was the one who wanted to go on a solo tour and how she is actually still friends with Elizabeth and someone else though I don't remember exactly who so yeah its kinda deserved hate I mean we're currently hating on baby sister spears for the same thing right
@@alexandriarennie5992 except none of what you said is true. 🙄 in fact victorious got cancelled because Nick was trying to get away from musical projects. Seriously, they had Big Time Rush, How to Rock, Victorious, and Make it pop. Plus a bunch of musical movies that flopped. All got cancelled around the same time.
@babyfaceweeb8937 lol okay well Google even agrees with me no matter what website you look at the show ended cuz 1 girl didn't want to continue the show the drama that came is evident in old interviews you can find here on CZcams like tori saying Arianna was mean on set and also the interview were everyone but Victoria said Arianna was awesome sweet and funny it also doesn't look good for Victoria cuz her solo tour was set up after the show ended it was just canceled cuz of the backlash she faced by starting shit with Arianna who at this point released that put your hearts up song starting her career in music also side note make it pop didn't get canceled until 2016 where as the rest were how to rock in December of 2012 victorious in feb of 2013 and big time rush was July of 2013 next time do what i do and fact check you facts I used Google to do so though you may prefer a different search engine but definitely use a search engine
I think her character was meant to be basic, like think about it, everyone else’s character was Big, they all had big personalities, Cat, Jade, Etc, I think her being normal was good so that it could balance out everyone’s else character; now I’m not saying she didn’t do some messed up stuff but they need to give Tori some slack fr🙄
Yes. It's called the "straight man/straight woman" character. Normal, balanced, and levelheaded. It helps the other characters' "crazy" personalities stand out.
@@x-man9473 Yup and, to be fair, there's nothing wrong with it because many girls I know look and act kinda like Tori, and that's an honest personality to anyone's eyes
Yes, it is called the "streight-man" trope, which is necessary to balance out a cast full of larger than life personalities. It is a writing technique used in various forms of literacy and performance around the world and across cultures and it is easily a thousand years old.
I agree. To me that’s what makes her realistic.
Agreed.
I will literally never forgive the terrible people for derailing Victoria's career like that. She didn't deserve any of that hate. And all of that happened when she was so young too. Sometimes I wonder how her career would've went had she went on Disney instead. She's so talented, I hope her career flourishes more and more as time goes on.
from my point of view if victoria had signed with Disney instead of Nickelodeon by now she would objectively be one of the biggest celebrities in the world (like Taylor Swift for example), Disney has been able to launch celebrities of the highest level (both actors and singers: Jenna Ortega, Olivia Rodrigo, Dove Cameron, Sabrina Carpenter, Zendaya, etc;...) has even been able to launch celebrities who can't sing like Selena Gomez. Ariana Greenblatt also starred in "Stuck in the middle" and has now starred in the Barbie film, even other Disney actresses who perhaps haven't found success now will probably find it in 1/2/3 years. I feel sorry for Victoria, because she has the beauty, talent and charisma that it takes to achieve success, she is still young and I hope she reaches her goal
@naileaa6508 you had me agreeing with ya until the Selena Gomez can't sing comment, not saying she's the greatest ever but like, she has skill.
@@j-j8984 i mean... definitely her voice is not bad and she has potential, but you can't say that she is a good singer, you also have to consider that her musical career is not that popular
@@naileaa6508 That's a fair assessment. Your previous comment said that she can not sing, which is different from saying her music career is less influential. But no, I can agree with your explanation, in fact I actually think she has said that she prefers acting over singing and wished that she stayed in acting over music, but that's from memory so I'm not sure how creditable that is.
@@j-j8984no she can't...
jade's talent isn't being creepy. her storyline for entire episodes was that she produced shows, wrote scripts, etc. singing was a talent of her too but for the most part she was portrayed more as an actress or smth like that
Can ppl please remember that there are different types of voices out there? Not everyone has the exact same sound or the exact same range. Singing high does not automatically=good singing. There's base, baritone, tenor, alto, mezzo, soprano. Being able to hit low notes is just as much of a skill/talent as being able to hit high notes. And within each of those ranges there's also different styles. There are many aspects to good/stylized vocal ability. Victoria's voice is very different from Ariana's or Liz's, in sound, style and range, but it's still good!
Thank you
I would say hitting low notes that are still powerful is much more difficult than high notes
EXACTLY i bet half of the people who say that tori's a bad singer cant even sing themselves. like i bet they've never even been to a single music class or sang professionally even once, so who are you to judge? like you're just some dude who hates on a young woman on something YOU BARELY UNDERSTAND
thank you i hated when people would say tori can’t sing. she literally can just not like ariana and liz
@@glittzys_kittyteam8570 THANK YOU!! tori has literally hit notes i’ve strained to hit. she’s so good honestly
How could people think Tori is a bad singer?
Like let’s put some respect on her name
She's a, decent singer I like some of her songs
It's not that she's a bad singer. Comparing her to Jade and Cat though .. she's not making it shine too much lol
@@josyylonento be fair she's an alto, lower than both the other characters who are trained vocalist and Broadway singers, yet Victoria still managed to hit some of the same notes they could, if anything that's impressive on its own.
@@damir392 She's no where an alto (I guess you are meaning contralto as in the type of voice since alto is a part in a choir, not related to a type of voice) tho. She's a soprano, just not a light soprano as Ariana, she had a low tessitura. Liz is the only mezzo on the show.
I think people also need to remember that Victoria Justice was 17-19 while filming Victorious and even younger while filming Zoey 101. Like her frontal lobe wasn't even fully formed, and the acting industry is also just really tough on young people. That doesn't excuse any of the mean things she may have done, but she doesn't deserve to be hated for things she did as a literal child.
This was a show, she never did anything wrong in real life
Honestly? Alexa Nikolas is too grown to still be shit talking everyone from Zoey 101. Like, Jamie I can understand because she turned everyone against her, but at the end of the day they were kids.
@@killyourdarlings1305 yeah I get weird vibes from her, I feel like it's all for attention, like her talking shit about all of them and then cried when she wasn't invited to the reunion.
@iamsoannoying being honest what they did to her was very traumatic the only person who apologized in my opinion was Brittany.
@@killyourdarlings1305 this is her life and her experience and since everyone keeps denying it, she talks about it.
I don't understand how people are willing to defend wrong actions instead of trying to empathize with the victims.
one thing i hated as a kid was how much they pushed trina being ugly like…she wasn’t ugly and they bodyshamed her just to make tori look better
Tori really was better than me with the beck situation because he showed constant interest in her. She was the original’ I can take your man if I want to but lucky for you I don’t want to’
Eventhough she really never made a move while Jade and Beck were together nor when they broke up, just hung out, poor Tori was being called out and people saying she's a "back stabbing friend", yet rarely read any comments towards Beck. She just got too much hate. But when Jade was hating on her for no reason, she was seen at the "cool" one 😒(dont get me wrong, here and there, her character was cool). Also to point out, there was a time when Beck was about to kiss Tori, she backed up. She didn't feel right doing that to a friend. She said it herself. Even when she knew Jade wasnt always nice to her.
@@milirodriguez8493 she really did. And now all the people who use to do that just going to pretend they didn’t do that. Beck liked her from day one. Otherwise he would have said o I got a gf. I mean even when those girls jade and cat song against was flirting with him and he didn’t say nothing cat had to say he has a gf.
@domaneishahammond1391 I mean she did kiss him in the Pilot but only after Jade threw the coffee on her and used the acting scene to mess with her, but after that, I dont remember that Tori kept beimg flirfty with him(and he responded with the kiss and didnt deny it, like you mentioned it). But like you said, even Cat had to say he has a gf when girls would flirt with him because he wouldnt say anything
Fr though because I would've snatched Beck up so damn quick. At the same time, idk because Beck was hella toxic, just as toxic as Jade. Other than seeing him as a friend, maybe that's why Tori never considered him as a boyfriend. He was way too friendly with other girls and knew Jade didn't like it and continued to do it, but people never commented on the shit he did. Typical
@@dechale that’s the reason why he went back to jade. Cause jade the only one that’ll put up with it.
The Tori hate caught me so off guard, like that’s my girl??? And the Victoria hate like??? Was it that serious?
It really wasn't, people were just hopping on a bandwagon and thought it was cool to just start hating on Victoria.
It really wasnt
Broo like???? I think the Victoria hate comes from lack of emotional intelligence or just any common sense in general, and the Tori hate is all of the above and a lack of understanding of the point of the show😂
i just think her character is boring and under developed. her character is also just annoying, i don’t like the way she treats her friends and sister and we’re supposed to like her. it’s nothing against victoria, just tori.
@@cryingwatercolours8127 And see that’s fine, but it was way overblown for no reason.
Wait, so its ok for Jade to be a bully and a hater but when Tori defends herself shes the bad guy? Peoole are so jealous of Tori/Victoria its insane. Even to the point where they want her to be bullied 💀
Everyone looks at least 27% cuter in glasses. And no, the fact that I wear glasses does not make me biased at all...
@@JohnWilliams-cr2sz Ok? When did I say any of this?....
@@ninimainimo2236 ...This was meant to be a reply on a different comment. Apparently my brain is not working to well today.
@@JohnWilliams-cr2sz Lol it's ok man. Neither is mine
Also, the sheer irony of people getting mad at Tori for kissing Cat's boyfriend when Ariana is (allegedly) intentionally getting with married guys or guys in relationships.
"They're all terrible. They've all done bad things.." It's the Nickelodeon equivalent of FRIENDS
Makes no sense when he was Tori’s bf first
Tbh I think that Tori being willing to donate that much blood to Robbie (hugely unethical of the doctors)- outweighed that incident so much in terms of what it says about her character.
Girl check your facts. Rumors are not facts 💀 she never homewrecked. Show me any proof or evidence or creditable source… you literally can’t cuz it doesn’t exist. I’m so tired of y’all just believing rumors cuz they fit your narrative. Just say you don’t like Arabian and go instead of making stuff up. It’s tiring. The ex wife said she doesn’t even know where the rumors came from & ppl in the industry came to araianas defense saying it wasn’t true… y’all are just gullible and wanna take down successful women.
People don’t understand tori was a normal girl going into Hollywood. She didn’t grow up like the rest. She doesn’t have a HUGE personality because she’s meant to be “you” or “the watcher”. Tori is just a normal girl who has a bunch of crazy ass friends. That doesn’t make tori any less special or important. I loved tori. It was her show. I understand some sung better than her in the cast, but it was HER SHOW. why wouldn’t she sing the most?! If it was called “cattorious” and had only cat singing, yall would still be mad at them not showing off hades voice, or another. Always something to complain about.
Again…. It was VICTORIA JUSTICES SHOW!!
Right?
exactly she was at a regular ass school first lol😂
Tori isn't relatable she gets opportunities from all over the place with ease. I'm fine with Tori but people don't like her because all the stuff she gets doesn't feel earned its more of luck. For example she always gets the lead role, gets to sing all the songs and she isint very interesting either. Yeah ik she is the main character but it's written like everything revolves around her
@@azopexreally ? You just want to see the bad but go ahead, you're the only one stressing
@@Everythingz127it’s true though things just fell into her lap
I always liked Tori so it was annoying seeing all the hate. Especially the people who would project that onto Victoria. Idk if it's true but it seems like all the hate began with the video. It's like it gave people, who hated Tori, the perfect excuse to project that onto Victoria.
@@barbequesauceonmytiddies That proves my point though. And being young I can see things escalated then, though there are still people who are adults today who are carrying on the hate train.
Yes. It’s the Ariana stans. And then everyone follows
@jimwilson2721. Because Ariana Stans are insane. 2. Because again, she’s supposed to represent the average kid in a place with overly talented and awesome kids and they all projected that normality and hated it. It’s pretty obvious
I think much of the hate came from the Ariana stans who complained about her not being able to sing more songs on the show. First of all, the show was called Victorious, which centered around her character, and second, if people felt it was unfair that Ariana Grande didn't get more opportunities to sing on the show, blame the producers. Third, they shouldn't be complaining that much, since she was able to get her own spinoff with Sam and Cat. These same stans said Jennette McCurdy had issues on the set with Ariana Grande because her music career was taking off, but as we found out last year Jennette had her own serious issues with her mother and her creepy producer.
I always liked her as well. I actually like her better then Ariana.
This is what I hate the most about internet culture, people on the internet always need a punching bag to hate on for nonsensical reasons and when they get bored they find another target; Tori Vega, Millie Bobby Brown, Justin Bieber etc
Actually, Burner did himself no favors when racist videos resurfaced, and the canned apology that he gave. That said, I agree with everything else.
@@danecranberry6025 you mean bieber?
Find target > bully target to an unproportionable amount > form mob mentality against target > stop doing it and feel bad once other people have to tell me that it's wrong > move on and find different target > repeat cycle
Exactly. JoJo Siwa is an example of this. I am not talking about her currently, but back in 2018 when a bunch of hate for her just came out of no where.
They are losers
The entire premise of the show is that a normal teenage girl is discovered to be talented at something and is accepted into a colorful, kind of wacky, kind of unorthodox performing arts high school. The literal PILOT tells us that Tori is like the viewer’s self insert for Hollywood arts bc let’s be real, the majority of kids watching- especially the ones criticizing Tori/Victoria- are exactly like Tori’s character. To me, her voice actually was unique but just less trained than the others (who were literally Broadway stars before Victorious) and she is gorgeous. I remember thinking her cheekbones were out of this world and that’s before the show even referenced it as her defining facial feature in one episode. The hate for this character is unnecessary considering she’s a teenage girl and all the characters had equally annoying, messy, low moments
I never really got the Tori hate...and people saying she can't sing is just a lie. she is talented and can sing, but being constantly compared to powerhouse singers like Ariana and Liz, is unfair. also, the only thing I disagree with is the comments about the music. especially pertaining to 'Take A Hint' and 'Give It Up'- both songs, in my opinion, are the most iconic from the show and are very much playable, outside of the show. But as far as Tori's solo songs... 'Freak the Freak Out' is probably her best, besides the theme song.
it's the reason why even though i still like ari but am not actively part of the fandom for a long time now (plus the jennette thing). the ones who always bring it up and fuel it are arinators.
Begging On Your Knees is my fave, it is relatable
@@elainecamacho3646same!
She still IS a great powerhouse, people just always have a reason to hate on someone they don't like... Did you see her live dance practice of Begging on your knees, where she sang live and totally rocked??
Yeah, Victoria Justice is a good singer. If she weren't, then Make It Shine wouldn't have sounded as great as well as her other songs. To be honest, I never understood the Tori hate either, even though I was an Ariana Grande fan for a while. Even if Victoria Justice had assumptions about her taken out of context, she is still a human being and I think we ALL make mistakes. I genuinely don't care about her feuds with other people because most of us have never actually met her in person and don't know if we'd get along with her ourselves. We don't know for sure if we'd get along with any celebrity in general because we don't know them. We're only judging people based off of rumors on the media. I also feel like people need to start recognizing that the characters a person portrays isn't actually how they act in real life a lot of the time. People are acting like she committed a crime or something big when she literally just acted out a Nickelodeon script and said a line in an interview.
People also hate her for asking "stupid" questions during class. This is a kids show after all. They have to explain industry terms somehow and since Victoria is new to the school and this industry, this is a natural way to do so.
yeah people really forgot those questions were necessary because at the time, the show was being marketed to children. Tori haters always blow everything way out of proportion. they desperately need to touch grass.
LITERALLY everyone was always like “omg the we all sing this was out of jealousy!!” but if you watch any interview with victoria ever she ALWAYS tries to include EVERYONE people just love to meatride their faves
On the prome thing, cancelling Jade's performance really only affected Jade. Cancelling prome would have affected the entire student body, who were all looking forward to it at that point. Everyone should be mad at Jade for valuing her performance over an event the whole school could enjoy.
I don't even think it was canceling Jade's performance, the implication I got was that Tori just unknowingly booked the only space that Jade could perform in before Jade could. If anything, its Jade's fault for not securing her space in advance.
Tori is mean sometimes....that seriously can't be people's argument. Like Jade was an angel on the show, especially to Tori for no reason
Exactly, people glorify Jades awful behaviour then turn around and hate Tori for existing
This omg ye this
They be like: "Jade did horrible things but I love her"and then be like: "Tori did horrible things I hate her"
LIKE WHAT!? they acting like Jade did good on the show 😭
Jade was mean and likeable cause she had some past behind her hate.
Tori is just an ass
Jade was always the mean girl, it's literally how we are introduced to her in the series.
Victorious ended up being Victorias biggest mistake. The hate she got from Ariana fans following the end of the show destroyed her career. What sucks is that Victoria was getting offered opportunities at Disney in 08-09. If anyone remembers, she had a small appearance on the Suite Life of Zack and Cody before Zoey 101. I think Victorias career trajectory would have been very different had she been on Disney as opposed to Nick. Victoria Justice has the beauty, charisma and talent to be a huge star and Nickelodeon fumbled it. Disney was able to make someone who can’t sing (Selena Gomez) an A-list pop star. Disney knows how to make stars. Their roster is huge. Britney, Justin, Christina, Miley, Ryan Gosling, Demi, Selena, Zendaya…and more recently, Olivia Rodrigo and Jenna Ortega. Nickelodeon just can’t make stars cause they don’t know how to manufacture a star or manage them. Granted, Victoria Justice is still young and can still make it big as an actor. Unfortunately, I think her music career is done. The music industry is a young persons game. The fact that she’s about to turn 31 and has yet release a debut album means that record labels may view her as too much of an “effort” to try to work towards launching a music career. If you look at almost every huge pop star, most had released a hit record by the time they were 21. Ageism is really bad in the music industry. But I think Victoria can revive her career with acting. I think Victoria should have followed the same path as Zendaya and focused more on acting.
the only thing i'd rephrase here is calling it victoria's mistake. she was "given" this show for her 16th birthday from [REDACTED] and was likely a product of being uh...conditioned...since zoey 101
@@OnePersonOneOpinion I agree. What I meant was that Victoria should have taken the jobs disney was offering her after Zoey 101. Disney really wanted Victoria on their network. But Nickelodeon promised Victoria the world…and it didn’t happen. They failed her and tossed her aside after the cancellation of Victorious. Victoria really wanted to be a pop star. Victorious was supposed to be the show that would launch her music career just like similar shows did for her peers (miley, selena, demi). The problem was that Nickelodeon doesn’t know how to manufacture or manage their stars like Disney does. Miranda Cosgrove was Nickelodeon’s first attempt at creating their first “music superstar” to rival the Disney girls. In 2008, ICarly was pulling in bigger viewership than Hannah Montana. So nickelodeon used Miranda’s popularity to try to create their “Miley”. But just as Miranda’s music career began to take off, they dropped her from their record label in 2012 after a bus accident…needless to say, nickelodeon doesn’t have the star making experience that Disney does and that’s why they failed Victoria.
thing with her career is that she doesn't seem too interested in reviving it. she's doing her stuff, publishing music and sometimes acting in movies, she doesn't seem pressed about it or at least that's what I get from her public appearances. I find the "we all can sing moment" as a jealous moment but also honest, the kind of thing you say that's embarrassing but you don't need much explanation to give because your intentions weren't bad, yet people don't accept that because they believe that Victoria is somehow inferior for having less money and fame, when those things aren't really important compared to being real and doing stuff you like.
@@b_delta9725 I agree and disagree. Victoria had big dreams. If you look back at her older interviews, she made her dreams clear. She wanted to be a big pop star. It doesn’t help that Nickelodeon also made her big promises. In a 2011 ABC interview, Dan Schneider was quoted saying:
“Victoria Justice is going to be one of the biggest stars on the planet within the next 5 years. I think pretty soon, the answer will be as obvious as the Jonas Brothers, Miley & Selena. The girl will be making $10M a movie.”
If you’ve read Jennette McCurdy’s book, I have no doubt that Victoria probably felt the same way at some point. The same way Jennette felt Ariana stole her fame, Victoria had to have felt the same way. I do agree that she has probably moved past it now and is doing what makes her happy and I applaud her for that and wish her the best. But I can’t help but feel sympathy for her because your dreams don’t just go away, even if those dreams have been crushed.
@@jaylenadegoke Wait how do u know that Disney wanted Victoria? She was only one 1 appearance in the suite life of sack and Cody. Any smart actor would take an acting role on any network where they are the star. Especially I’m Victoria’s case where she was already with Nick for years and has peers who were gonna be on Victorious with her. Victoria accomplished more than most actors in Hollywood. Saying u starred in ur own hit show for multiple years is a huge flex. Not only that but the show was named after her too. Disney was offering the money or exposure that Victoria wanted or deserved.
ppl: hate tori because she's mean
also ppl: i LOVE jade bc shes mean
LMAOOO
For the episode "Tori goes platinum", I believe Tori got picked because she looked easily impressionable. Compared to Jade, Cat, Andre and Robbie, their audition tape all showed a facet of their personality, showing it would be less easy to shape them into the popstar they wanted. The rest of the episode, shows Tori changing into a person she's far from, proving that all the judges wanted was a pretty marionette who could sing. Jade was picked later on because she gave a good audition and showed distaste for Tori in front of the judges (if i remember correctly).
At least, thats my take on the episode to why, apart from being the main character, she was picked.
Absolutely loved the video, by the way 👏
I think Victorious could've worked if Tori wasn't actually someone "special" and overly talented. I feel like she could've been developed through learning from the other characters and also developing her talent and personality. It would've been interesting to see her be a girl failure while everyone around her succeeded but have her failures be the reason she kept trying her best and ultimately deserving all the attention that she receieves. I really don't think she's a bad character and people blow it out of proportion, we should blame the writers for being bad at writing lol
she wasnt a bad singer the problem was the writers made her seem the best singer on the show which made fans pissed off
Wow that sounds like an amazing show!!
@@secret_senshi Yeah, that would have been better
When it comes to Tori the main issue with her is how the show used her at the expense of the other character's talents, she was always treated as being so much better, when she isn't much better than Jade or Cat, and the rest of the gang have other talents outside of singing, with Jade, Andre and Cat, they can sing while having other talent, Tori just has singing. However, taking this out of the equation it always baffled me the amount of hate Tori got (and still does) for being terrible, when les be for real here all of the main characters are terrible in their own right. The nicest one of the bunch (Andre) even had his share of jerkass moments. It NEVER made sense to me how Tori's wrongdoings were put out to everyone, yet excuse Jade who is arguably worse and has done worse than Tori. So, it's not okay for Tori to host a prom that was conveniently on the same day as Jade's play (which Tori had no idea until Jade confronted her about it directly) and even so like you said, that isn't her problem. Yet its justifiable for Jade to almost have Tori killed over a part in the school play? Or how about in the game show episode of Season 4 where she commits fraud in Tori's name, by pretending to be Tori? Like come on people, just because Jade is funnier or is better doesn't excuse the fact that she is also unstable, abusive, violently jealous and confrontational.
I also feel the actions against Season 1 Tori are a bit much, like kissing Cat's boyfriend, Tori showed remorse for doing it and spends the last bit of the episode trying to make amends and restore her friendship with Cat, in fact it was Tori's idea Cat punch her in the nose as payback for kissing Daniel. Meanwhile Jade NEVER owns up to or apologizes for her actions against Tori, even when they start to get along. And Beck was SO much worse when it came to kissing Tori, and just to Jade in general, it always felt like he wanted any excuse to dump Jade because he was clearly into Tori. Not to mention throughout the show clearly let women fall for him despite knowing how Jade is and that he's dating her! He's also the one character who fits the label of being "plain" as a main character, because with Tori HER being plain was the point, in the first season of the show Tori herself constantly mentions how she feels plain compared to the rest of her friends, because the point was that she is like that, Beck was just there for fanservice and his own talent for acting was never explored, he was just a one note joke about how he looked! People just give the other characters a free pass simply because they prefer them over Tori, which that's not how that works! Look Tori is plain compared to her friends who stick out more, but that also doesn't mean they can't be wrong. I fact the writers went too far with the treatment of Tori as a lot of episodes from Seasons 3 and 4, have Tori Torture episodes.
If you ask me, the one character who absolutely deserves hate is Robbie, he SOO much worse than Tori and is by far the most despicable member of the main cast and the fact he's given a pass over Tori boggles me. He is creepy, misogynistic and uses Rex as a means to get away with sexually harassing and objectifying girls. He admitted to Tori that he hides in her front yard and spies on her, he stalked Trina and kissed her without her consent (which is what we call sexual assault) and he had cardboard photographs of Cat and let’s not forget the “playing pirates” stuff (that has to be code for having sex considering Dan Schneider created this show). Who could forget when he almost killed Trina for turning down his advances by cutting her harness and causing her to fall from a height? He’s lucky Trina survived. He should have been suspended/expelled from Hollywood Arts or even incarcerated for what he did. Robbie is absolutely despicable. I don’t get how people hate on Tori for petty little things and mistakes but Robbie commits acts of stalking, sexual harassment, sexual assault, and even borderline attempted murder and no one hates him. He exposed his friends' secrets and made them laughing stocks in the entire school, and when they were stuck in Beck's RV he drank the last capful of water they had. And when Cat said that he let a bunch of little kids eat her in her dream he said "why shouldn't they eat you first?" Which implies that if they were actually in a situation where only one of them could survive, he would sacrifice Cat to save himself. He's a creepy pervert. People hate Rex but he's just a lifeless puppet. It's Robbie who says all those perverted things through him. He hits on Jade (one of best friends' girlfriend) through Rex all the time. He even asked her to kiss infront of Beck through Rex! And he stalks Tori and has cardboard cutouts of Cat that he made. Robbie is a creepy perv and I don’t know how he’s not in jail on sexual assault/harassment charges.
Tori wasn’t someone special and overly talented. Y’all only think that way because she was the star of the show. I feel like none of you actually watched the show and y’all wanted to hate Tori because your favorite character didn’t get the spotlight. Because let’s be honest, the show you pitched is not a sitcom like victorious was. Y’all just wanted a different type of show than what was being made. The writers aren’t bad at writing. You just don’t like Tori periods. It has nothing to do with anything other than your own personal taste. So it’s weird when you say talk about the hate, but perpetuate the reason why Tori gets hated
My heart breaks for Victoria. This show was specifically made for her (I believe) and I don’t know what they were thinking but hiring people to outshine your main star was a very bad move.
I 100% blame the writers for how badly Tori’s character was handled, and Victoria 100% did not deserve the hate she got. She was given a script and she performed, blame the writers not the actor. If I were Victoria I definitely would have regretted being on that show.
Glad to see Victoria thriving at acting rather than singing. She can sing but wasn’t given the right material for her voice.
I think someone from iCarly was interviewed on some late night talk show who was asked about the Victorious cast since they shared the same lot. That person said they got along really well, and they characterized Victoria Justice as a great actress who could sing, and Ariana Grande as a great singer who could act.
There are also some rumors going around that Victoria refused to sleep Schneider and he lashed out by tanking her career. Don't know how true those are, but apparently the person who leaked this info has a solid track record of being correct. There was also the whole Liz Gilles meeting a guy 20 years her senior who was a friend of Schnieders and then basically immediately dating him as soon as she turned eighteen, so lot of REALLY gross shit happened on that set.
It’s because she refused to sleep with Dirty Dan or his predatory colleagues/employees. Liz married a groomer producer from that set and Ariana allegedly had relations with Dan which is why you see both their characters get more screen time and songs & also why Ariana got a spin off
Wtf what loser comment
“Yes I’m counting Rex” made me cackle 😂😂
Them victorious songs were BOPS. Begging on your knees gon hit EVERYTIME. Freak the freak out, Take A Hint, Her duet with Andre (So Good!!) Finally Falling etc. Victorious had some of the best music.
I've always loved Tori/Victoria Justice and this vid was perfect in describing peoples unjustified hate towards her. Thanks for making this!
Glad you liked it!
I mean, Ariana has come out and said that Tori was a pompous snob and bullied her all the time.
@@AustintheObserver I'm pretty sure she hasn't, they seem on good terms. Victoria gave her love on Thank U Next and Ariana gave Victoria love on her Treat Myself song. People need to stop feeding this fake feud
@@AustintheObserver receipts?
@@AustintheObserver that's false dude... you didn't see the video?
Ariana said in an interview that she received bullying on Broadway's set, not on Victorious
Trina is actually talented in a lot of performing arts. She just tries to focus too much on vocal arts.
I feel so bad for her sometimes because she can keep up with other dancers (when they let her), on the old Slap site, she made decent short films with the gang and she can even sing (once. She sings nice once in iParty).
She's actually a decent singer!
@@Tronn9672 I swear I remember Trina being talented in martial arts and that's why she got to stay at Hollywood Arts. She got in from the coconut but she does have a genuine canon prodigious talent.
Yeah Trina can be a stand up comedian or a martial artist she just can't sing
@@yukikanegawa7470you're right she beat up Robbie dressed as a mugger for the principal and did some really cool moves
The moments where she had good singing moments are uncanon episodes tho, they didn't actually happen. She is talented, but not really on the arts, her play is iconic for us but in the show they explicitly said it was poorly written, acted and even sung lol. She was a decent dancer and maybe a decent actress but she was super talented if martial arts lol she was really good at self defense, I would even say she had stylist potential basing on her love of fashion.
Victoria Justice sings really good. And I hate that she’s known for and always being compared to Ariana. Because of a tweet Ariana did and I think we all sing. Victoria was just saying that because they kept going back and forward saying that each other sing and Victoria just wanted to sum it up. I think we all owe Victoria Justice a heart felt apology.
People calling Tori the worst character because she was the least unique is also a stupid argument because that was literally the whole point of her character, she was supposed to be an ordinary plain Jane to make it easier for the viewers to put themselves in her shoes. Dozens of main characters out there are plain and ordinary for this purpose, just look at how dull Harry Potter is for example
I think that's why they didn't like her. They didn't want to feel like a plain Jane.
People honestly don't like that though. People like main characters with depth, or better word they prefer main characters with depth
Harry is not dull, girl.
@@glampingo Fr, search up sassy Harry
I won't say dull. But he's considered ordinary and I actually like that about characters like him. A lot of writers write characters that are either eccentric or brooding and thinks that will make them interesting which becomes boring eventually because it's the same old same old personality being put out. In the midst of being surrounded by weirdos, the ordinary stands out.
So many delusional comments. I've seen victorious like 202309423 times, and I love Tori sm. All of the characters were weirdly written in the first season; very training wheels for lack of better words. I used to think they tried to make tori "special" until my 500th rewatch and then I realized I was just going with the status quo. Tori is a victim of unfortunate circumstances left and right, and it's honestly so funny. She's kind of the butt of the joke a lot of the times. I think people are too obsessed with hating how "perfect" she is to the point where they don't realize she's a funny character lol. also you're right, she is us, and maybe that's why so many people hate her too...self-hatred
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Very well said 👏🏾 also have about just as many rewatches and came to a similar realization
This. 👏 She was supposed to be the "straight-woman" trope and majority of Main characters of 00's (2000-2015) were self-insert so they were meant to be "boring" but relatable but we are watching the show from the main character's perspective and we are learning about the world via their view of the world they take part in. Victorious had many eccentric characters there has to be grounded character to balance it out.
This!!!!! I have told people so many times that tori is practically the vast majority of us minus the looks and singing talent
I think Jades talent is that she likes to write and direct .From the play episode ,her love for the scissoring and her audition plus when she helped andre write a song .
“Jade’s talent is that she’s a goth I to weird creepy things” don’t do her dirty like that. She’s an actress and playwright 😭😭
I saw nothing wrong with Tori, she made both good and bad choices but so do all teenagers, and the other characters make both good and bad choices
I know a lot of people say it’s just because singing is Tori’s thing they didn’t sing but I’ll stand by my point; the school isn’t a singing school. Having all of the main cast only sing I think frames it as just that, and that other talents on why people are able to get in aren’t as noted or valued when all of the main cast just sing. Producing films, comedy, music production, dance, drawing, acting, etc are all art and ways people could enter the school so they need to showcase that level of diversity or else the meaning of the school becomes less.
I also stand by as good of singers as the main cast as a whole are it would be a pretty boring episode of all we got was back to back singing “auditions” where while all of them are good we know this fact. It’d be a crutch of sorts and the apparent episode might not have as much dramatics or even hold the audience attention if it’s some weirdly spaced musical. Just because all of them can sing doesn’t me it’s good to always rely on singing as the character trait given for what the show is.
But they showed that they can sing but only gave tori the spotlight
@@ujiro5518 Yeah because that was her thing. We know Andre can write and play music, we know Robbie has the whole puppet show with Rex, we know Jade wirtes and acts plays and we know Beck has acting aspirations. Kat was originally shown to be interested in makeup and special effects but as the seasons rolled put she got flanderized, hence why she was shown doing so many things (because she is quirky /s). Tori however has been consistently shown to focus mainly on her singing, hence why her specific audition was singing.
@@jimwilson272they should’ve have gotten such talented and bold actors and characters if they didn’t want people to focus on them
Fr. They had so much untapped potential with the concept but made it all about singing with occasional other talents thrown in. I always loved to draw and write but only the latter came up very rarely and only in context of theater or song writing. Very disappointing. As a kid I wanted to go to that school so badly but often questioned if I even belonged there because I was not as musically gifted.
@@kphoria1009that makes no sense
This is so unrelated but Tori looked so cute whenever she’d wear her glasses
I was one of the minority who really like Tori and Victoria Justice and still like her to this day. Do not understand the hate and can never be convinced to hate her. I liked all the characters in the show. I’ve found that there’s a specific group of people who can never like the main character, will go out of their way to find faults in them and prefer the antagonist regardless of all their faults. It happens with high school musical too. Some people really hate Gabriella and think Sharpay is queen. I personally like both for what they are. Sharpay is a fantastic Disney villain but some people want to make her into a hero and make Gabriella the villain.
Omg same, I didn’t actually realize people hated tori until I was older. I always loved tori cause she was the main character and because she put her friends before herself in later seasons. I actually disliked Jade (who is apparently a fan favorite) because she was so mean to Tori and Tori just took it most of the time.
People want to call out Tori for kissing beck but totally skip over jade humiliating tori first. Tori had no idea beck had a girlfriend when they first met, jade got jealous for no reason and decide to bully tori for it, going so far to humiliate her in front of her classmates.
The kiss was obviously petty revenge. Beck who agrees obviously knew what jade did to tori was horrible and I think it was his own way of taking jade down a peg and not letting himself be controlled by her. The kiss was part of the exercise and not meant to be taken seriously, Sorry going to have to say jade deserved it. She decided to be a bully and then couldn't take her own medicine.
Something that i dont see people mention is that there is ALOT of hate towards the "relatable" female leads of tv shows from internalised misogyny. Its not just this show either. Whenever there is a female lead that everyone gives a bunch of attention to (because she is the lead) but her character is designed to be more realistic and relatable to viewers, it makes your brain jump to "she's nothing special but she thinks she is and its annoying". You start to get this "pick me" image of her and the literal best example of this is meredith from greys anatomy. She is the reason the term pick me is a thing (her famous "pick me, chose me" monologue to Derrick). I absolutely used to HATE her character in my teens. Everyone else had so much more going for them and all she did was complain amd make selfish decisions but she was the star so everyone revolved around her. Its makes her seem like an unlikeable whiney woman that girls hate and guys don't acknowledge. But rewatching it as i matured, i realised that her character was very complex and most of the hate either came down to shitty story writing or misinterpretations of her intentions. I actually came to love her character because of her realistic writing and how they gave her faults from the start because her trauma changed her.
I realised after that, i hated alot of those type of female lead because i always wanted to be the more interesting side character that didnt seek the attention but deserved it. Sam, jade, quinn...i all liked them more. i've never liked a nick female lead more than a side character because they just tell you they're the star without actually giving them the merits. But disney didn't write their female leads to be realistic. Hannah, alex and raven were unique and it makes sense why they deserved the lead but they always made sure to humble them. Sharpay had way more star power and was iconic but she was actually antagonistic whereas Gabriella was truly down to earth and just as talented so you wanted her to suceed. And lizzie was the epitome of relatable teen girl with her inner character being more expressive than she was allowed to be in person.
This was very well written. Good job :)
This is an S-tier comment
I still don't like Meredith Grey, but yea
Dude thank you SO MUCH for this!!
I've literally had an essay typed up for a LONG time on this specific topic, pretty much making all of these points. I even had it titled "You are all wrong about Tori Vega"
Then it turned out I don't have enough confidence to record video essays like I thought I could, so it's just been sitting on my computer with no purpose.
But when I tell you I was yelling "THANK YOU" every five seconds watching this video... man not enough people have said this. I feel so seen and so validated right now. Maybe one day I will get the confidence to release my own defense of Tori Vega, but until then, I will just be forcing this video upon all of my friends.
THANKS! You should make the video, it’s important to just start you’d be surprised how far you could go!
It’s crazy people are mad at Tori for kissing Cat’s bf when Ariana Grande out here being a whole home wrecker and stealing husbands
As someone who went to university to study contemporary art I don't find it confusing at all actually how a lot of the characters seem to have multiple talents. Its not a music school, Hollywood arts is depicted as an interdisciplinary art school and seeing as how they are all in highschool still it makes perfect sense that most of them would not have narrowed down one specific art form to specialize in. Thats something you usually figure out in like second year university, not highschool, if that. All of the characters seem to be very multidisciplinary contemporary artists and mixing mediums like film, comedy, music, theatre, and visual art. They do have artitypal roles but they don't coincide with unique art disaplines or specialties.
I’m so happy you said what you said about her being not that different from other main characters like Carly for example. I realized at some point that most, if not all, of those “bland” female main characters have another girl best friend to balance them out by bringing out the “bad” or interesting side in them think about it. Carly had Sam, Miley had Lily (not rlly the same), and even Alex (the opposite of Tori) had Harper to bring out her good side. Basically if you think of any other female main character of a show they all have that best friend character who brings out the other side in them. Slightly more recent and diff example but Phoebe and Max from the thundermans as well. So my theory is that since Tori didn’t have *that* kind of character for her (besides André but it didn’t rlly work like that), people have subconsciously acted as if she is some sort of despicable and unredeemable person, even for doing the slightest of wrong things that any other character would be immediately forgiven for. I will say tho, that a lot of my favorite “bad Tori” moments have come from when she was around Trina cuz I think Trina was most of the time that person who we could see Tori be kinda real with if yk what I mean. I feel like if there were more of those sisterly moments especially at school, we would see a different, more imperfect side of Tori more often and people will like her more (or at least hate her less). But anyway, that’s just my two cents I personally have always loved Tori from the first time I watched it and was just shook when I realized most ppl didn’t like her for the most stupid of reasons😂
i always felt for Victoria. she really did have a nice voice and was charismatic. she was also a 18 year old girl trying to carry a show and be in every scene. it's not her fault they cast two amazing singers as friends they didn't focus on much. but the show wouldn't have been created without her. she deserves her flowers!
Ariana fans hating Tori over a scene where Tori kisses her then bf while Ariana in real life is almost exclusively dating guys in relationships, even in the Victorious days, is wild
all this drama is just ppl being petty because their fave didnt get the spotlight she got, thats it.
pure spite
Facts everytime jade yells out “ NOBODY LIKES YOUUU” I literally die 😭😭😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😭💀💀💀💀 there’s no reasoning why that should be so funny 😭
Ironic that nobody likes jade outside her friend group, they're all scared of her, irl jade would get her azz beat and press charges against the things she's done 😂
Even though they could all sing, I thought the show made it clear that their talents were; Tori-singer
Beck-actor
Jade-director/producer
Robby- stand up comedy
Cat-movie makeup and vfx
Andre- Song writer, singer, producer
The irony of Ariana Grande Stan’s hating Tori for kissing cat’s bf … lmao.. like that’s not all Ariana does in real life 😂😂
victoria has a great voice. she’s not less skilled at all, its annoying hearing a bunch of untrained ears saying she’s not as good of a singer. she simply just has a different voice. its not the conventional voice you hear, it’s very unique in a way that makes it that much more enjoyable. im a huge ariana fan (i literally have a poster of her and hella merch lol) but i wont deny that her voice isn’t super special, its amazing, but many people can achieve an ariana grande sound. its hard to sound like victoria though. she has a really special, unique voice. it’s unforgettable, really.
The best comment, I agree with you
Her voice is really similar to Katy Perry to me. Perfect for upbeat pop/dance songs, and at first you might describe their tones as "bland" or "common" until you realize it's really hard for anyone to do an impression of them lol.
Ariana Grande also adds a ton of stylistic effects to her voice, which makes it easier to imitate compared to Victoria Justice who just kinda let's her natural tone shine through.
this is so untrue lmfao Ariana hits whistle notes did you really just say her voice isn’t super special. I know 12 girls who can sing like Victoria Justice, she literally just sing talks. I’m not saying it’s bad but stop acting like it’s anything unique.
@@galaxygrl_ yeah i was in choir in high school and 60% of my choir mates had better and more unique singing voices than her. And that was high school. She’s a good singer but not really a stand out compared to other trained vocalists. Her voice isn’t something I’d want to hear on the radio or download to listen to in my free time.
@@MauriAllure you’re talking about Victoria right? Lol
support victoria’s new songs “treat myself” “stay” “too fckin nice” and “last man standing”!
Outside of the talent conversation, one of my biggest problems with Victorious is that none of them are good friends to each other. Something Disney and iCarly excelled in was showing good friendships. When Sam acted out in iCarly, her friendship with Carly made it easier to swallow. Most of these characters can’t stand each other and treat each other badly, including the parents! The dynamic of petty competition never goes away, even when Tori’s behavior changes over the seasons. It’s hard to like her as a character bc no one else really likes her lol
They didn't all hate each other. No one hated Beck, Andre, or Cat.
The only person who hated Tori and treated her poorly was Jade.
Jade is mean to everyone, but no one hates Jade. Even Tori seeks jade's friendship despite Jade hating her.
Robbie is a wrinkle though. Robbie didn't hate anyone, and no one really hated Robbie, but idk why they are friends with him tbh. That's the only relationship I can't really justify. Trina is not even in the friend group.
I do agree the friendships aren't as meaningful as other shows. They don't exactly give off life long friendships. Which is funny because the cast did develop a life long friendship. I remembered being surprised that the cast was so close. Nothing about the show gives the impression that the friendships run deep.
@@birdiewolf3497 Your last sentence is what I meant here. I never said they hated each other i said the way they treated each other was not the way you would expect a friend group to engage - especially a group that seemed to hang out even pre-Tori. Besides that episode with Andre and Jade they all seemed to slightly dislike each other, constantly acting selfishly or not caring when the other person was going through something. It's hard to think back fondly on a show where the best singers were rarely featured and the friend-group was lacking. The show wasn't bad it just never quite sold itself
@@ForeignLauren324 I don't agree that they all treated each other badly. It was mainly Jade being mean to everyone and Robbie who no one really liked that much. Everyone else got along.
i think a lot of them have good relationships with each other but said relationships were just very under developed
Kind of reminds me of Arthur. They were cruel to each other and at times bullies. But they, of course, were eight year old third graders.
allegedly Victoria got fired because she didn't want to sleep with Dan Schneider poor girl breaks my heart 💔😢 another broken person thanks to Hollywood 🤬
I apologize 😢
I'm sorry 😢
Thank you so much for this review. Even after all these years, people are so unfair to Tori.
Tho I do disagree with one thing and that Tori's treatment of her sister. While I love Trina, she can be very mean towards Tori for no reason. She constantly demeans her and treats her as lesser than, and Tori just takes it. Even when Trina is being mean and embarrassing Tori, she kinda just takes it. It's no wonder over time that Tori really gets fed up and is just retaliating. Plus, Tori is plenty nice to Trina despite that. Trying so hard to get her the perfect birthweek gift, gifting the song for her and getting her back into school.
I love the two of them, and Trina also has her moments of being a great sister; warning her about Ryder, saving her from the plant she was allergic to. I just can't really fault Tori when she snaps back.
Absolutely agree, and taking care of Trina shouldn't have been Tori’s responsibility, she’s a kid. I fault her parents for that.
Thank youuuuu 😂 geez I was starting to wonder if I was the only damn person who got all of this
It just feels a lot different when Tori is mean to her because it's not just Tori. It's Tori and all her friends which she constantly has over at their house. A house in which not even her parents support her. So when Trina is mean it feels more like she's mad and bitter in general which makes sense. Tori seems more petty and mean spirited comparatively.
@@yukikanegawa7470 with Trina, it feels like she’s only half aware of how mean she is. tori knows exactly what she’s doing and that’s what annoys me. the way tori treated trina when she had her teeth out! makes me wince every time i hate that ep just bc of that
@@cryingwatercolours8127 Trina being half aware doesn't take away from how she treats Tori. She's still her big sister. But yes, the wisdom teeth episode was hard to watch. And it being played for laughs made it even worse sheesh
It’s crazy because it’s so obvious that he, for the actress bled into hate for the character. People also projected some weird jealousy onto Victoria justice that was 100% not there.
It's like in "Tangled": "Well, I hope you're here to apologize."
I think most people don’t think of themselves as “ordinary” or “bland”, so they don’t think they’re Tori
That's so true. People just want to idolize celebrities and actors who play characters when really they're all just humans with their own flaws who make mistakes and do bad things all the time. I seriously hate stans with a freaking passion
That acting scene where Tori kisses Beck isn't even that bad. They are acting out a scene, like when theater kids kiss for scenes when they are already in relationships.
Plus the #1 rule of improv is always say yes.
Plus I found that she was even nice considering Jade Poured Coffee on her! Because of a misunderstanding
I agree with a lot of this video and I can proudly say I've been defending Victoria ever since the hate train began! I honestly believe the main culprit for the amount of hate & criticism of her character she gets is because of Ariana's success. Ariana didn't shut down those rumors properly and ever since then, hate towards Victoria has manifested in all sorts of ways and it is really sad to see.
as someone who has watched victorious more times than i’d like to admit💀, these are their talents:
tori: actress, singer
andre: songwriter, singer, instrumentalist
jade: directing, singer, actress
cat: singing, acting (in the beginning before they dumbed her down)
beck: actor
robbie: ventriloquism, production
Becks also a director (blond episode) and dancer (episode tori can't get the monster make up off)
I think Cats talent was actually that she was a MUA and custome designer. They had an episode where she dressed as some of the cast and another where she practices horror make up on tori. Though she can sing it wasn't really implied that was her talent. Jade ig is a filmwriter but they werent too specific w that either idk if she was supposed to be a script writer or director or what but she had that one play tori helped with and her clowns dont bounce play in the prom episode. just thought id throw that out there.
Alexa's take in the podcast came from the bullying but you can actually see how different Victoria was in the Zoey101 set (she was a follower who wanted to get on the good side of someone that's the most powerful among the cast) and Victoria in the Victorious set (she's decent and was actually kind of out of place because some of them already have established friendships before the show and that became even stronger)
@@NES96that literally proves their main point even more
Plus wasnt she much younger in zoey101?? Why are we acting like none of us had to improve from our past actions & beliefs 😭
@@NES96huh what…??? u saying u were the exact same as a child?? i was a cringe brat back then, now i am less so i would like to believe lollll
@@NES96 because kids’ brain arent fully devloped-they are more likely to act out on emotions because their still learning about life, expecting someone to not be cringe as a kid is stupid-we were all cringe as children
@@NES96Most people do change from childhood to adulthood, so what's your point? Why are you so hung up on Jamie Lynn?
I think another thing we need to keep into consideration about Tori’s character is that her character also had a lot of self worth and self confidence issues. It’s not just simply about whether she had to TRY to be good or not but also whether she believed in her talent and was confident about it
Tori from day one never had that kind of self confidence in what she’s capable of, proven when she had a lot of doubt about going to Hollywood Arts in the first place. Thinking all the students there were the real talented ones and questioning whether she could even hold a candle to them.
For me, I always saw that from Tori too. Not just her being relatable in being normal and new, but also lacking in believing her self worth as a performer
I wouldn't even say it's fair to hate Tori for how she treats Trina cause Trina treats her like trash too. She's really demanding and entitled and treated Tori like a servant multiple times. Even in the episode where she got her wisdom teeth taken out, Trina seemed to go out of her way to make it difficult for Tori, literally physically fighting her when Tori tried to give her an ice pack and refusing to walk up the stairs (even though she was capable of doing martial arts), forcing Tori to drag her. All that on top of the fact that Tori was forced into watching her and their parents went out of their way to abandon them? Yeah, Tori was nicer than I would've been.
Why are people hating on Victoria Justice? Also the music was AWESOME!
No one is hating on her, they just don't like her 😂
@@frost3dflak33 Why don’t they like her?
I always thought the tori “hate” was a joke playing along with that clip where Victoria said “we all sing”. People who genuinely have hate for her and the character are weird.
this needs more attention, I've always loved tori
I never understood when my friends in high school said they didnt like Tori. They used all the reasons listed here in the video. I just found her relatable as I was a new kid in the drama program at school.
PROUD TO SAY I NEVER HATED VICTORIA OR TORI‼️ I’M SO GLAD PEOPLE ARE REVISITING THIS AND HOPPING OFF THE HATE BANDWAGON
I remember loving this series since the first episode, I could never understand the hate, and it might be because I saw it at the intended age when you aren't supposed to notice that she might not be as talented as the others or that she shines for no reason, we are told since episode 1 she has talent so my teenage mind just went with it and never questioned it, a lot of problems people have with these type of shows is that since some of us continue to watch them as adults we start analyzing stuff from an adult perspective when you are not supposed to
Exactlyyy!! Like if it was intended for adults it would have been made that way😂 not every damn thing is supposed to make sense when the show is for kids/teens and a lot of those heavily analyzed moments were just for jokes
i get that and that’s how i usually watch stuff but like… the way tori treats her friends and the fact she would kiss another girls bf on literally like her second day in didn’t give a good first impression
@@cryingwatercolours8127 That's what I mean, thinking about it now it does seem bad, but in the eyes of a teen you see that Jade was a bitch to Tori so she "deserved" it.
@@vlalelrlila yeah i get you (not tryna argue btw) but also like… they could have surely come up with more clever revenge that doesn’t involve a boy as always yknow
just pointlessly wishing this show was self aware back whenever it was released lol
I knew she couldn't sing way back when I was a kid. 🤷🏿♂️
I still like Victoria Justice, she has a soft and nice voice
She does good ballads.
The more people hate Tori, the more I feel bad for her. Granted, she's done a lot of bad stuff, but not to a certain degree compared to Jade. People also keep talking about how the production team of Victorious portray Tori as the most talented person when Tori herself never talked how talented she is. *Not once.*
When I first watched Victorious, I actually liked Tori and I still do to this day. Not once I hated her. I know about her bad qualities, but I'm not going to ignore some of her good qualities either.
Additionally, It's already bad enough that Victoria Justice got tons of hate even to the point of receiving death threats.
I truly don’t understand why we move around the fact that cat was dating her ex. I know she said it was okay but everyone saw the tension that was there before cat showed up. Plus everyone hates on Tori for being a homewrecker but in real life Ariana IS a homewrecker but she makes good music so we should all forgive her. Nah. 18:35
I disagreee, victorious has sooo many bops
Tbh as girl who has a sister that's two years apart, I saw Tori and Trina's relationship as somewhat normal; in that they bicker and fight a lot, along with moments of looking out for each other (also Trina has fault in wisdom teeth situation, as her anesthesia wore off by time the pill and pea scene happened, but tying her up was uncalled for)
the way ‘freak the freak out’ had such a hold on me 😭
It's insane how people can't separate character from actor.
Trina was always the one who was strangely talented in every way except the ways she really wanted to be.
Tori matured and so should the haters. I'm sure the haters have done things Tori has. Victoria Justice is an actress therefore it doesn't make sense to give her hate. This show exposes how ridiculous people think - actually, they're not thinking at all. Other characters were purposely written to be given the side eye yet we dislike the character who is human and have character development. As a kid things might be a blur (tho it wasn't for me) so they should re-watch without their emotions. The haters should be mad at the producers.
I agree that Beck and Jade were a toxic couple, but I also always thought that Tori and Andre would have made a better couple than Tori and Beck. They just had more chemistry together, while Beck is just seen as "the hot guy" in the show.
I think it's important y'all know Mr Sheffield (16:30) is a reference to The Nanny, where the actor plays a rich Broadway producer named Max Sheffield, often referred to as Mr Sheffield by Fran.