Reacting To Some Truly Unhinged Monster High Hate
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Even as a child, I was confused on why parents were so aggressive to Monster High. The constant sexualization and slt shaming of these harmless fashion dolls was just disturbing
my parents did the same thing
My dad still does this
My friend's dad was refusing to buy her MH dolls cos of his religion. He's christian and he genuinely thinks that MH is demonic and therefore agaisnt christianity. So she used to come to my house to play with my MH dolls when we were kids^^
@@adalunar1550 f@k that "father"
@@coolstarb. Agreed :)
The only "unhealthy message" I picked up on from Monster High was that it had me convinced I was a vampire in 4th grade because I thought Draculaura was so cute and I wanted to be like her. That's it. Kids don't see dolls and think "Oh it's a [insert vulgar term]" they look at them and think "This pink frilly vampire is so cute! I want to be like her!" then start pretending they have fangs and only play in the shade during recess because the sun would ''burn them'' stuff that's silly and fun, and completely harmless to everyone
Basically, kids have innocent minds, the doll isn't going to ruin their innocence, the insane parents explaining why the dolls "aren't appropriate" is what's going to ruin their child's innocence
Been there lol 😭 for me it was lagoona with which convinced me I was actually a fish because I wished aquatic people existed that badly. I thought it would be so cool
Literally lol 💀 I’m literally muslim (we dress modestly) and my family let me have these kinds of dolls. I never once thought of them in a dirty way as a kid or even now.
@@GustavoFring382 OMG SAME I used to pretend I could communicate with fish, and hold my breath in water for infinite amount of time, like I was actually a sea monster like Lagoona!! I still love aquatic animals a lot and I have lovely pet fish in my aquarium, and Lagoona holds a special place in my heart lmao
"they wear outfits that can ONLY be found in sex shops" is the biggest "girl what were YOU doing at the devils sacrament" energy
fr, did they think Hot Topic was a sex shop or something?? 🤣🤦♀
@@sarahb8695 Yknow what? probably. they probably did think Hot Topic was one🤣
@@cornerspider2477 fr 😭😭
@@cornerspider2477 😭"what is this doing in my local mall?! so innapropriate! I'm calling the police!" -a Karen, probably.
@@sarahb8695 ik my mom does lol 😂
It’s one thing to call the dolls “hypersexualized” and “slutty”, but it’s a WHOLE other thing to accuse the brand and its aesthetic as being “satanic” and “apart of the Illuminati”. It speaks volumes to how these people think and it’s really alarming.
I always think that people who complain of dolls being "hyper-sexualized" and "slutty" are secretly sexist and misogynistic. Even the ones who are women.
Lol they probably believe the earth is flat and that vaccines cause autism too since this sh- t right here is facebook karen behavior.
I'm so glad my grandparents know how to separate dolls from reality, It's really NEVER that deep.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 Exactly.
The "hypersexualized" and "slutty" arguments are really weird to when you consider what the other dolls on the market where wearing when they came out. It's basically the same thing.
I CACKLED at the “homosexual culture” part. That part has made my entire day
Same...and, as I recall, there wasn't ONE confirmed gay character in the original series, was there? (but then, these people see "gay symbolism" in literally everything) Even being left-handed was a secret gay bat-signal.
The one part they were right about 💀 All the gays I know loved MH
@@whatcanidooo The people who don't like MH just have bad taste and that's not something the gays are known for
@@EdieBird There were characters that were supposed to be queer. For example,Valentine is gay. But they never explicitely stated it in the series or movies cos Mattel didn't want to(Garriet,the original creator,wanted some rep but Mattel was saying smth like :" It's not the right time").
Sooo,nothing explicitely queer was ever there so Idk the hell are ppl thinking :p Even it would be queer it's not a bad thing :)
@@EdieBird valetine and nathan were both suppose to be gay , the creator himself is a gay man even
I grew up in a very religious muslim household and my parents were always accepting of my monster high doll collecting. Hell, mom was actually the one who pushed me to getting the first wave Clawdeen doll when I was younger because she thought that Clawdeen had cool style. I don’t understand the argument that they are ‘hypersexualised’ or ‘slutty’ 😭
Oh my god same. I loved and wanted every mh doll I saw, my family never saw it as a bad thing. In fact my aunts were the ones who bought me most of my mh dolls.
I grew up in a muslim household too, my mom was never bothered by me watching monster high and even liked some of the characters, i wanted the clawdeen doll which had a button that made her eyes closed and howl but sadly didn't had the money to buy it
Same, my sister had a ton of them (purchased by me and mom for her) because we thought they were really cool.
Same our family Is christinan and my parents don't even bat an eye and my mom finds the dolls cool
Idk man, I collected monster high dolls as a kid, but I never dressed skimpy, in fact I absolutely hated wearing shorts that weren't at knee level or swimsuits without shorts or skirts. All the doll line did was introduce me to more of the classic monsters, other cultures, how to match my own outfits with themes, and honestly how to understand social cues a little better (from the cartoons/movies)
Lol same here but with cellacting bratz dolls-only difference is i just had massive gender dyshporia, i remeber fashion dolls like bratz even helped me in an ironic way to cope with my dyshporia as a kid
They just reflected the type of clothing teen girl back then liked to wear-same with monster high it just reflected popular clothing those in alt culture wore, it wasnt all just goth and punk either you had characters like ghoulia who leaned towerds scene , rebbeca who leaned towerds steampunk and ofc draclaura whos very lolita themed! It had a pretty diverse alt fashion sensw
It’s fascinating to me how grown people see toys as sexy lol kids don’t usually have an understanding of those mature topics unless adults bring it up. To a child it’s a doll. a toy. A friend even. Parents need to chill and rethink the messages they’re sending their kids rather than the messages a company is sending to a child. Because at the end of the day, a child is going to be more influenced by their family than a toy.
As I've seen, most kids who have felt odd about dolls it's because of the way they are critiqued at home. Ex. Barbie.
For real. I remember when I was a kid I heard the song "Trumpets" on the radio and stuff, it was kinda popular at the time. One time I was singing along to it because my sister was playing it on her phone and my parents got mad at me and only then did I realize the lyrics and what they meant ("Everytime that you get undressed.")
PREACH
Imagine telling your child that girls who “dress like that” want attention and are shallow
But not realize that those statements themselves are shallow and judgmental
There’s just so much going on here. The instant sexualization of any woman who shows skin, the assumptions that these dolls are all about stereotypically girly things when that is not actually the case, the complete lack of respect for women who dress even slightly revealingly, the lack of respect for sex workers, the assumption that women who dress like this or are sexy are automatically stupid, the idea that women who aren’t intelligent aren’t *also* worthy of respect and dignity, WOW what a mess.
Exactly. Smh
And don't forget that a girl can never dress sexy for herself or that be her style. It is always seen as an attempt to attract the male gaze.
Heck, and even IF they are just girly, then what is so wrong with that? Are these mothers still going through their "not like other girls" phase and deem anything that they see as cute as a threat?
The Cleo thing was disgusting, oh my god. That sounded like a perv proyecting his own fantasies into a doll.
L i t t e r a l l y 🤢🤮
fr 😭
My mother was all "Satanic this, evil that" about my hobbies when I was growing up, which planted a fixation on shame and secrecy in me. When she discovered Monster High and offered to buy me merch, I actually said no!
Yikes...
Why’d you say no?
Monster High was an exception? Surprising. This why I can’t stand religious people, they raise boring irrational thinking Puritans
I stan
I'm shocked she offered to get you some if she had those kinds of fears and obsessions.
Those articles are literally unhinged.
1. They’re not girls - they’re monsters.
2. They’re not “sexy” - they’re dolls.
3. They enjoy shopping and makeup? Wow, it’s almost like that’s the majority of little girls’ interests at that age!
4. There’s no nefarious racial agenda - they’re monsters and they’re dolls.
5. The whole point of MH is to show kids that it’s okay to be different, especially to *feel* different and learn how to embrace that!
I love dolls, always have, and these people who literally have to take an innocent 11” piece of plastic and turn it into some offensive conspiracy to sexualise children need to get a grip on reality.
Also, shopping does not always involve fashion. Girls who are not interested in fashion can also go shopping for other things like video games, books, movies, toys, sports equipments, music, or just snacks.
And, the lineup doesn't have only "white" characters
@@Baguettes_The_Great literally !!!
Their race is “monster” and then they all have their own individual identities like Werecat, Vampire, Gargoyle etc.
Like they’re dolls, who are Monsters.
They’re not real people nor are they meant to be viewed as such, they’re plastic fictional characters.
The internet just goes a little crazy sometimes 😅
I do agree though that they Whitewashed Clawdeen in some lines though. The Cirque De Freak had NO business making her gray...Also Cleo was pretty white for being Egyptian . Yes I know Cleopatra was half Greek so she would be lighter, but Cleo isn't Cleopatra.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815- Like most of my purchases are on anime or geek related merch. You can count on me getting a figure or plush or both during one or two of my shopping trips each month. I’ll usually get one game, movie/show or manga/comic a month. I definitely at least get one or two dolls a month especially if they’re discounted and though I’ll get clothes a lot they’re usually themed around my interests.
Like this month I got a Deku Nendoroid, a Power (Chainsaw Man) figure, an Anya TsumTsum plush, a Christmas themed Minnie Mouse plush, the Mattel Arial mermaid doll, a SpyxFamily blind bag mininano, a One Piece blind bag magnet, two One Piece blind bag keychains, a Domez MHA blind box mini figure, a pack of One Piece cards, a manga omnibus that is a collection of stories from the Lupin III manga series, the dvd collection set for the 13th Doctor from Doctor Who, a 50 something dollar Baccano complete series set and this is before adding all the anime or geek related themed clothes which includes three Halloween based tops. Four if you wanna count the Scooby-Doo Ghoul School shirt I got at BoxLunch earlier this month. Also got a replica of Live Action One Piece Luffy’s hat cause yes.
Whenever someone argues that "women who dress 'that way' are insecure/dumb/shallow/etc." all I can think is that whoever is arguing that is doing some *intense* projecting.
Sanders himself said he created monster high after seeing how girls become more interested in alt culture-its so obv “freaky just got fabulous” was in relation to the subculture they were based on-as alt culture was extremly stigmatized back then
(Edit: this explination can go for 99& of the critiques too-the dolls just dress in popular alt fashion jesus)
Also tbh-idc about the dolls having stylised bodies but i do wish they included other body types like for ex:those who are fat/chubby(g3 draclaura is still skinny-just curvy) it would fit the brand’s messaging but also show you dont have to be a thin white person to be alt
To play devil's advocate I think they are fine with body diversity dolls because that's what MH is about but they wish Mattel would've just created different characters instead of changing an existing one.
Yeah I think most comments about their bodies are pretty valid. It’s not like dolls HAVE to be able to share their clothes - they all have such unique styles inherent to the type of a monster they are that it makes no real sense to mix and match them really. G3 is going in a good direction with bodies differing at least slightly and I hope they make an actually chubby character at some point.
@@Jhud69 There is a chubby character now: G3 Iris Clops appears to be plus-sized. (Draculaura doesn’t count since she’s not chubby, just pear-shaped)
@@NerdigansInc thats not at all the issue😭 all the characters in monster high are thin making one or two plus sized wont take away from thin ppls rep as they still have a billion other characters who are thin
@@Jhud69 honestly im sick of hearing thin people say “but it will ruin the mix and matching!!!” Are ya all for real mix and matching gooliope whos like 17 inch with any of the 11 inch dolls ?? Or even between 11 inch dolls like clawdeen and draclaura?? This feels like a lazy way to justify companies refusing to represent
anyone who isnt thin or curvyI mean hell we litrealy have avea whos a centuar who the hell is mixing and matching with her??
-if we have more characters of differing body types then the mixing and matching wont be a MASSIVE issue since we would have many characters who share the same body type
I see many OOAK doll creators even easily solve whenever their patterns dont fit a curvy doll they made by just making a new one-and ya all want to tell me mattel a billion dollar company cant solve it??
"These dolls are dressed in sexual outfits!"
Draculaura and Ghoulia: *literally wearing leggings and long-sleeved shirts*
Maybe it's just a regional thing, but where I'm at leggings are generally considered sexual/provocative. I wasn't even allowed to wear them as a kid without a skirt or shorts over them. (I'm absolutely not saying I agree with this mindset by the way, I don't, frankly I think it's fucking stupid, I'm just saying what I've personally noticed)
@@break_the_galaxy Oh wow. I didn't know that. I guess it is a regional thing.
One of my favorites is "Only Ghoulia is wearing pants!" Meanwhile, Lagoona is LITERALLY wearing shorts, and Cleo is wearing a romper. Like, I guess those *technically* aren't pants, but... they're not skirts. Lagoona's shorts were about as covering for her as my middle school gym shorts were for me, I just had human body proportions
The Illuminati one was just...a lot.
Growing up in a Baptist church, I got a lot of these same messages long before Monster High dolls ever appeared. If you didn't express absolute SHAME over any exposed skin, if you dared to enjoy wearing interesting styles or bold colors, you were BAD and you were trying to lure good men into SIN. Even if you were 13, and wearing a dress that literally covered from neck to ankle, but had a vague indication of curves starting to form, and had absolutely no idea what kind of sin you might be causing the poor helpless men to commit. (I have issues...LOL Heck, I think I have a whole subscription)
Getting away from religious weirdos was the best thing I ever did. And now I can enjoy my fashionable monsters, my terrible horror movies, and my retro pin-up dresses in peace.
My grandmother absolutely ADORES Monster High. She bought the first gen Draculara doll for my sister when she was just born!
I like your grandma very much! 💃
I was just saying "ew" through out this whole video. Not at you, darling. At these comments. How do people just... think like that? Also the Illuminati one had me in TEARS.
I definitely think there are issues within the fashion doll industry of only showcasing skinny "conventionally attractive" bodies, but the criticisms shown in these videos aren't criticizing the lack of diversity, rather projecting their own views onto the dolls to make them into something they're not. Also, I think you describing the batman figurine in a similarly bizarre way made a really great point- people aren't complaining about superhero action figures giving little boys any ideas of being "sexy"
To be fair, superheroes like Batman and just comics in general were already criticized way earlier for encouraging boys to solve their problems with violence and encouraging homosexuality because of Batman taking in Robin in books like "Seduction of the Innocence." It was basically the early version of "video games promote the idea of violence in our kids".
Yeah come to think of it, comic book characters and their figures really ARE s- xy! Especially the ones who wear next to nothing like He-Man and Conan The Barbarian. Funny how you never see anyone complain about "stupid s- xy He-Man is making our sons teh big gae!!!"
@@lindanguyen6972 - That’s the comics though and even then no one said anything about GI Joe toys or He-Man. Heck Robocop and Rambo got toys aimed at kids and most adults were ok on that.
@@Goleon Yeah, I guess boys and girls are subjected to different beauty standards and thus, adults have different concerns when it comes to toys looking a certain way or promoting certain messages for girls versus what they would be concerned about when it comes to toys aimed at boys.
THIS if we dont keep pushing for companies to make dolls who arent thin or curvy then we would never solve the mixing and matching issue-ya all need to realise that the reason its an issue is because all we get are thing dolls and the occusional curvy doll
As a goth, Monster High made me SO happy. Like Bratz, it's refreshing to see dolls that are dressed more punk or goth instead of only preppy dolls. There's a reason why I have collected maybe 4 modern age barbies but have a TON of Monster High dolls.
the "Freaky just got Fabulous" thing being misconstrued so badly is the main thing that really was shocking to me about this. that was my motto growing up! I never saw it as a "only cute girls can have weird interests" type of thing, because i was a kid. the Monster High movies were the weirdest things i had ever seen at the time (my parents called them horror films lol) and i saw myself in those characters! they were weird, and i was weird, and that meant we were awesome. i honestly feel bad that some people couldnt see it that way.
I agree! For me it was always about taking comfort in the fact that i was different, being unafraid to stand out and express myself. Never about being cute in order for it to be acceptable to live as myself.
Nah cause "Freaky just got fabulous" and "Onky cute girls can have weird interests" are two completely different sentences 😭😭😭😭 like I genuinely do not how you can get the second from the first. It's pretty obvious by "freaky" it's referring to their monster scaritage and obviously fabulous would relate to fashion,,, they're fashion dolls
I agree
I've come to really detest people who give in to the moral panic over dolls like MH and Barbie giving girls "unrealistic body standards" because if there were fat dolls available in these lineups, you know most of these exact same people would turn around and say they're "promoting obesity"
Now that g3 is out we know you're 100% correct
Just giving Draculaura a totally average body type was enough to set people off about "promoting obesity"
It’s genuinely crazy just how hated they were by some people. My mom let me get monster high dolls when I was a kid (heck she even bought me my first one) and I wasn’t “influenced by the devil”
The only thing it did was make me more stylish and give me a doll obsession lmao
It also gave me some pretty cool life lessons!
Exact same. Although I did prefer the ever after high series, but that's because I liked the fairytale aspects more than monster( I have a hand Cristina Anderson book, so I would love to see a revival)
@@michaelburns2003 that makes sense, i personally loved both but liked MH more because I liked the edgy style but both were a big part of my childhood and neither of them negatively influenced me
@@michaelburns2003 do you mean Hans Christian Andersen?
@@myra0224 yea, I have troubles with typing on small keyboard 😅 Hans Christian Andersen.
@@michaelburns2003 No problem! Just so other people wouldn't get confused (or would know which guy to look up to find some fairytales) ☺️
I'm a lesbian honors college student, and I grew up loving everything Monster High. All of this is just to say that MH clearly didn't teach me to be a dumb, boy obsessed hooker lmao. I've always been interested in goth fashion and the goth subculture, and MH encouraged me to get into it! Little girls used to come up to me and tell me they loved my outfits because I looked like a MH doll, and that made my heart so happy! People can be so hateful to people who are different in any way, and I genuinely feel like MH made a generation of kids more open minded and accepting. It's so frustrating to see people projecting their own biases against women onto MH dolls, when MH dolls made this woman more confident in herself and her interests!
Edit: Darling, I would be squirming all the way through a video on Bratz hatred- but I would still watch it! I wrote a speech for one of my classes refuting some of the major criticisms of Bratz and other fashion dolls, and by the end of my research I was fuming!
I read the first couple words thinking that there was college out there just for lesbian honor students, and was thinking how can I transfer there, lol
Same, for me it just made me interested in character design
@@blanket4763 Same. Some of my oc's are inspired by Monster High character designs ✨
I didn't like Bratz dolls... I thought they were creepy. Reason? Their shoes were their feet and I couldn't stand taking their feet off!
That is to say....it had NOTHING to do with their style, clothing, make-up anything...
That comment about "they're all white" interested me, since most of the characters don't have normal skin colors or stated races. Basically, I went down a crazed rabbit hole, and went through every character from MH that had a doll made of them (otherwise I'd be here all day), and went into each character trying to find out what each of their races/ethnicities are. Most of this is just speculation, much of it is probably wrong. I use the wiki for information, sorry if anything is wrong or if I missed anything.
Frankie Stein = probably white, because Frankenstien is German
Clawdeen Wolf = I've always seen her as Black, but I guess it's up to debate?
Cleo de Nile = She's from Egypt, so very much not white
Draculaura = Transylvanian, so also technically white
Lagoona Blue = Despite her blue skin, I'm pretty sure she's meant to be White Australian.
Abbey Bominable = despite her Russian accent, Abbey is from the Himalayas, meaning around Nepal and India.
Ghoulia Yelps: there isn't really anything about her that can give us any clues about her race. Her name is a play on Julia, which is a common name in much of Europe, but since Europe colonized much of the world, they're culture has spread all over the place, so she could be many things. Her skin is grey, but so are most of the Zombies, so it's not exactly for certain.
Deuce Gorgon = he's greek, so white
Twyla = unknown, but probably white, since the boogeyman is a European-ish monster
Amanita Nightshade = her plant was worshipped by the Tiki, so she's probably Polynesian.
Avea Trotter = half Harpy, half Centuar, which are both from Greek mythology.
Bonita Femur = Her name is Spanish and she's half Moth Monster and half Skeleton. While both of those creatures appear in mythologies all around the world, but judging by her nake (and by the fact that both the other major skeleton and moth monster are both Latina) I'd say Bonita is at least half Latina.
Catrine DeMew - she's french, so white
Catty Noir = I don't think there is anything concrete about her race, but seeing as the White Werecat (Catrine) has white fur, I'd guess she's probably Black.
Clawd Wolf = same as his sister
Dayna Treasura Jones = daughter of Davy Jones, who is an English figure. She's white.
Finnegan Wake = his name comes from an Irish ballad, so I'm gonna assume he's Irish.
Gigi Grant = a genie from Arabian Mythology, she's probably from that area.
Gilda Goldstag = based off of the Ceryneian Hind from Greek mythology
Gillington "Gil" Webber = a very English name. Most people think he's based on the Kelpie, which is a water spirit from Celtic mythology
Gooliope Jellington = literally no idea. She was created by a mysterious unknown scientist and then abandoned in front of a traveling circus.
Heath Burns = he's the cousin of Jackson and Holt, who are from the Jekyll/Hyde story, which takes place in England, so I assume he's also from Britain.
Holt Hyde = son of Mr. Hyde, who is English.
HooDude VooDoo = created by Frankie, so is she his mother???He's a VooDoo doll, which is associated with the Carribbean.
Howleen Wolf = same as her brother and sister
Invisi Billy = son of the Invisibile Man, who was an Englishman
Iris Clops = Cyclops from Greek Mythology.
Jackson Jekyll = Son of Dr. Jekyll, who is English
Jane Boolittle = She's from the Australian jungle (judging by her accent), and guessing from her outfit and jungle story, I think she's meant to be aboriginal
Jinafire Long = stated as being from Fanghai.
Manny Taur = from Greek mythology
Meowlody/Purrsephone = literally no idea. There is barely any information on them
Moanica D'Kay = she's from Peru (according to the wiki)
Neighthan Rot = half unicorn (which is from Christian mythology) and half Zombie (which can be from anywhere). His first name is English, but that doesn't really mean much. I have no idea.
Spectra Vondergeist = her last name is clearly German, so she's white.
Operetta = while she's from the South, her family is actually from France. Her dad, the Phantom of the Opera, fled Paris and moved to Gnarleston.
Robecca Steam = her father, who I' pretty sure was human or at least a half human cyborg, is Black, so I'm pretty sue she is too.
Venus McFlytrapp = her last name has the "Mc" prefix, which is mainly Scottish. She's based on Little Shop of Horrors, which I'm pretty sure takes place in America. I think she's White American, but her ancestors were from Scotland.
Rochelle Goyle = very obviously French. There really isn't any room to debate here.
Scarah Screams = she's a banshee, which is a creature from Irish mythology. Also, she has an Irish accent.
Sirena Von Boo = her last name is German
Skelita Calaveras = she's from Hexico/Mexico.
Sloman "Slo-mo" Mortavitch = his last name and first name are Russian, I'm guessing his family is from the monster equivalent of Russia
Ari Hauntington = when she is in human form, she's White, so that's probably what she looked like before she died.
Toralei Stripe = her first name comes from the Japanese word for tiger. I'm going to guess she's Japanese
Wydowna Spider = she's the daughter of Arachne, who was a Lydian maiden, meaning she came from what is now Turkey.
Astranova = she's from outerspace, so I don't think she has an earthan race
Batsy Claro = she's from Costa Shrieka, meaning she's Latina
Djinni/Whisp Grant = same as her sister
Elle Eedee = she's a robot like Robecca, but since her parents are also robots, I have no idea how to proceed.
Garrott de Roque = he's very French
Honey Swamp = she's a swamp monster from New Goreleans. Judging by her portrayal and her afro, I'm guessing she's meant to be Black
Isi Dawndancer = she's Native American, from Boo Hexico.
Kala Mer'ri = She's the daughter of the Kraken, which is from Icelandic mythology.
Kiyomi Haunterly = her first name, and the type of ghost she is, are Japanese. Her last name is English, so maybe she's half White?
Kjersti Trollson = she's from Goreway/Norway
Lorna McNessie = she is the daughter of the Loch Ness Monster, who is from Rotland/Scotland
Luna Mothews = her first name is spanish, and I've always seen her as Latina, but she could also be something else. Her monster legacy is the Mothman, which is from West Virginia, first seen in the 1960s.
Marisol Coxi = she's from Monster Picchu, and she is a Maricoxi, which is the South American bigfoot.
Moucedes King = she's is the daughter of the Rat King, and is Boo York Royalty. The Mouse King is from the Nutcracker, but since he's also from another world, I don't think we can assume he's German. I always headcannoned her as Black, but that's just me.
Peri and Pearl Serpentine = daughters of the Hydra, which is from Greek Mythology
Porter Geiss = His last name is German.
Posea Reef = daughter of a Greek God, she's probably Greek
River Styxx = the grim reaper isn't necessarily from any one place, but since her name evokes the Rivers of Hades, I'd say she's maybe Greek as well
Seth Ptolemy = He's a mummy, so he could be from Egypt, which his character design does evoke, but the real Ptolemy dynasty was actually mostly Greek, not Egyptian.
Vandala Doubloons = most historic pirates were English, so I'm assuming her father was too.
Viperine Gorgon = Greek, like her cousin
C.A. Cupid = she's the daughter of a Greek God, but she's adopted, so it is very unknown. Not to mention it is unclear what her monster heritage is. In MH, she's a bone elemental, which isn't really a real type of Monster I can research, and in EAH, she's a cherub, which is from Christian mythology as far as I can tell.
Casta Fierce = daughter of Circe, who is the daughter of the titan of the Sun, Helios. She's Greek
Clawdia Wolf = same as her siblings
Elissabat = she's a vampire from Transylvania, since she and Draculaura grew up together in court. Her name is probably a reference to Queen Elizabeth, since she's the rightful Vampire Queen. Her fake name was Veronica Von Vamp, which is German. Either way, she is White.
Nefera de Nile = same as Cleo
Wow! Maybe you could eventually make a comparaison with g3 new canon!
purrsephone is probably greek since persephone is a Greek goddess
Agree.
@@saragreenfire4515 Draculaura is now Filipino American or Taiwanese American depending on if you see the movie or cartoon
Frankie's still German
Abbey is Indian American
Lagoona is Honduran
Finnegan is actually Greek
Deuce is still Greek
Clawdeen is half Mexican
Toralei is British
Kala is Icelandic. She' the daughter of the Kraken, who is from Icelandic mythology
I remember in the early 2000s I used to post to a doll forum, and there was a member on there who would say off the wall stuff like this. She was convinced that adult men could be aroused by dolls because of their 'suggestive clothes' and 'tiny waists'.
But she also had antiquated views as to what was feminine and appropriate for women.
She also had an unhealthy obsession with little girls being too 'sexy'.
I think some of these people get on their soapboxes because they're the ones having these impure thoughts and think virtue signaling against them will throw people off their scent. They're perverts, basically
Yup. Every accusation is a confession.
She was likely a homophobic lesbian or bi who was self-repressing, and felt the need to lash out at the rest of the world for it. I hope she eventually got help.
There was a certain fear of being victims of assault, that men were predators....that women were responsible for those assaults and therefore had to dress properly to be "safe". I think underneath all that toxicity and shaming, is a whole lot of fear and self hatred.
Yeah.... A topic for therapy.
honestly this all sounds so peak 2010 discourse I can’t be surprised ☠️ even the bit from the “raging feminist”… like yeah “feminism” at like 2010 (at least the version I saw the most going around) was still very anti-femininity. Like liking fashion, makeup, “girly” things was still seen as bad. We were still coming off of that wave of “girls that like pink are dumb!!!“ that happened in the 90s/00s.
I’d like to think we are slightly better now
Raging feminists = Karens
The people who are upset about the “morbidity” of Monster High are gonna lose their minds when they learn about Halloween.
My grandmother never had an issue with monster high. Though, I remember asking a classmate if she liked monster high. She got nervous, and told me her mom said they were bad because they wore chains, and big shoes, and mumbled that her mom called them whores.
We were in kindergarten! Neither of us understood what that meant. I just felt bad someone couldn't enjoy things because someone else told them it was "bad".
Gonna start dropping "I can't help but think of the homosexual culture in the background of all of this" into causal conversation whenever possible from now on.
What a lot of these parents don't seem to realize that kids don't want dolls because they want to mimic the styles and bodies of them- they just think they're cool, cute, pretty etc. And play with them in the way every kid plays; building stories with them and giving them personalities (sometimes the stories getting rather... Dark, too, I remember myself destroying my toys in the name of the story for them)
When I was little my sister and I had a full-on Barbie Murder tower. Every other day someone was getting pushed off a roof or drowned in the pool, stealing spouses, kidnapping children...We always wondered who these weirdos in the ads were who just played "change clothes and brush hair"!
@@EdieBird same same! I crucified my ppg Bubbles plushie in the backyard... Wild stuff one does as a child!
@@EdieBird I used to create stories of people escaping forced marriage and slavery with my barbies, princesses who escaped by themself from whatever monster and choose to lead their country without a husband....guess who turned out to be aromantic and asexual lol
Some of these made me realize that one of the things I liked about Monster High as a kid is that while they were fashion dolls with pretty good outfit, there isn’t all that whole lot of stereotypical fashion-obsessiveness among the characters. We had some shopping sprees now and then but really fashion wasn’t a huge part all things considered. Not saying that a focus on fashion is a bad thing at all, just as someone who grew up not relating to it all that much it was very refreshing.
"I just think they're monsters... in a monster school" made me laugh so much! At the end of the day, why some folks are reading so hard into a children's line, projecting their own insecurities and desires is just missing the mark entirely. You said it really well mentioning that there are valid points to consider, if discussed in a healthy and productive way. But these folks are the type to rant and get upset for the sake of ranting and getting upset.
This was always so bizarre to me when I was a kid. That was in the 90s/2ks so it was about the Barbies & Bratz later but it was all the same. "Teaching kids dress slutty be skinny blah blah" and I legitimately was soo confused bc it's a toy?? I felt like I has to calm the adults down like "it's OK it's just a doll she won't hurt me you can relax".
i was literally about to click on my next video to watch when i saw the words "Polly Prostitute" on the screen and my soul just left my body 💀 conservative parents will truly find a way to complain about EVERYTHING omg
I like what you said about the clothing. That you could tell your child that this clothing is mostly a fantasy and not practical. I think that's a great way to explain it.
I remember I used to really love watching Disney princess movies when I was a kid. My mom always let me watch them but she would tell me, "just so you know this is a fantasy and you can't rely on a man to just come save you from a situation. If there's ever somebody that you're interested in then get to know them before marrying them... Ok anyway enjoy the movie."
Haha I still ended up marrying and then divorcing a twat rocket, but I always appreciated my mom's advice haha
Same. I'm a straight guy, but in addition to watching Pokemon, Dragon Ball, Digimon, Power Rangers/Super Sentai, Ultraman, Jurassic Park, Ninja Turtles, The Lion King, Transformers, and Godzilla, I also grew up watching The Little Mermaid, Snow White, Sailor Moon, and Tokyo Mew Mew.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 slay
I would LOOOOVE to see a video of Polly Pocket-shaming, oh my God. I feel like of all the doll brands to get rabid and misogynistic about, that has to be one of the strangest. Like at least Bratz and Monster High I sorta get how they might look more like adults than teenagers to some people. But Polly Pocket??? She's never looked any older than 14, but I'd say she's spent most of her history looking like, 8-12 or thereabouts. And she's always dressed pretty realistically for that age range too. That's so wild.
People got angry at _Polly Pocket?_ How does that even happen 😭
I used to read that last blog. She had some good ideas about de-genderizing childhood, but wow, she did NOT like fashion dolls. It's weird. I never learned to hate my body from Barbie (the mother's enemy of my generation): I learned from my mother hating HER body.
I always enjoyed the feminine aspect of a lot of the monster high characters, honestly. As a long time alt person, it always felt nice to have them portray that even though frankie enjoys science and is nerdy, she can still be fashionable and enjoy boys and makeup. Just because you have different interests doesn't mean you won't like stereotypical feminine things, and I feel like it's so common to see a nerdy character that is unfashionable, has few or no friends, hates makeup and always talks about how pointless being pretty is. It was so common then. I always loved seeing characters like this as someone that had different interests and a different appearance just because I'm emo doesn't mean I'm all dark and depressed. I love all of typical feminine "girl" things. Shopping, makeup, dresses, boys, whatever the hell, all of that. I'm just a typical teenager, and I was just a typical child then, but people don't see that when they look at me. They all assume I'm Wednesday addams 😭
I think adults dont realize that children actually have innocence and they dont associate the word “freaky” with sex, or clawdeen wolf with a p*rn name. They arent thinking about cleos outfit having gaps because logistically, her outfit IS made out of fabric, it’s essentially a jumpsuit and obviously nothing could show underneath it. Plus, mummies literally just wear bandages. When i watched the mummy episode of goosebumps i wasnt like 😏 i wonder if his bandages will slip 😏 and its like are you just sexualizing the bandages on her, that completely cover all the areas, because shes a girl? Cause i have never heard of this wardrobe malfunction thing about boy mummies
The hoodie is so cute, thanks for serving a look today-
Thank you! I'm gonna get a lot of use out of it as it gets colder here. It's super comfy too 😸
I stumbled upon an article like these and I still think about it in disbelief lol. It was a long list of "why I hate monster high" by AngryMotherTM, and one of the point was "they're hypersexualized", with no further elaboration and a picture was of Frankie's shoulder. Just the doll's shoulder from behind, without shirt, as if it was screamingly proving her point. Like buddy, honey, it is what you make it. They also argued that Monster high lacks ethnic diversity, and I'm genuinely amazed the ball can fly that far over someones head
I actually remember seeing that article too, and I think I decided against including it because the things they said were actually like, incredibly vile. Also if I recall she also said MH didn't have a single black character 😭
Lol I remember reading that one! Bih must be stuck in the "don't show your ankles" age.
These people used way too many words to say "I know nothing about fashion, dolls or art"
I was thrown for a loop when so many of these were talking about hyper sexualization, I had to go back and look at the designs. Sexier than Bratz? I guess to them, showing ANY AMOUNT OF LEG is too sexy? But I guess if you look at the whole aesthetic and try to find something to be mad about, the proportions and styling is a bit like... "dead pinup girl" sometimes. But that's if you try really hard to find that, and the longer the line goes on the less and less it resembles anything like that.
I wondered where all these people are today, because a ton of dolls wear things that are not even subtle references to bondage gear as alt fashion has continued to gain popularity (lots of chains, collars, catsuits, etc). But not a peep from anyone. And then it dawned on me that kids just don't play with fashion dolls enough anymore for people like this to know anything about them, and that made me kind of sad in a weird way lmao. As long as there have been fashion dolls there have been nutty misogynistic parents raising a stink about them, and there's so much for them to be mad about now that they're missing out on!
When we were looking for toys for my nieces. My mom saw the Monster High dolls and she said "They are way better than Barbie. No wonder kids like them."
Then again my mom has always allowed me to dress how I want. She thinks that it's good to have individual style and interest. And she is a Christian. I guess she is more progressive than most.
The whole “being obsessed with boys” thing is legit just an ASSUMPTION these people made up 😭 this franchise was very light on romance imo compared to most other “girl’s brands.” And even then, most doll lines were all about friendship!
My dad got mad at me once because I bought a Neighthan doll and he opened it and he was saying it demonic or whatever and I was like "Oh what? The DOLL is demonic? The doll based on the character whos whole point was like therapy and self love?" And his response was "The Devil wants you to love yourself too." So yea I have a great relationship with my parents/s
This is a great video. Demonstrates so clearly the problems with today’s puritanically judgmental population. I’m 61 years old and for goodness sakes! I played with skinny well-dressed Barbies, creepy big-headed Little Kiddles, troll dolls, toys were pretty weird back in the ‘60…and, no I didn’t turn out to be a self-hating, skinny, big-haired, stiletto wearing woman. I turned out normal because I know toys are toys and they are not a representation of me, thank goodness, they are used for developing an ever-growing imagination. To put so much value on these toys and the way they look and the things that they bring up for people is quite distressing to them. Let’s lay off the whole judgment values when it comes to toys and just play. Who doesn’t love to play with a doll, change their clothes have fun. I do and I said I’m 61 years old. An aside: thoroughly enjoy your videos …they are very well thought out and kindly presented, your voice is very calming and for some reason, I don’t know why, but it brings me back to the early days of the 70s and that’s not a bad thing. It’s much appreciated. thank you
UGH I'm not surprised about the Fox News comment. I recall my mom not allowing me to buy Bratz dolls for a similar reason: they were too sexy, too trashy. It's an antiquated viewpoint, and discouraging to see it still endure in 2022. Monster High are creative dolls, and it's so weird to read them that way. Thank you for this video. It's a thoughtful and respectful analysis
My mom always called my MH dolls "ugly dolls" and I think it was mostly from the proportions and skin colours since Frankie and Abbey were my only MH dolls for a few years. My parents didn't really teach me to shame people for their appearance which is why I'm shocked my mother says such horrible things about skinny/fat/muscular/tattooed people(mostly women) nowadays. Regardless I loved the video and I laughed quite a lot at the things said in this video. I love the variety of topics that you do in your videos and it's really interesting to see aspects of dolls that I wouldn't otherwise know about!
Imagine if you did a version of this,but with all the stuff g3 antis say ,it would be a wild ride tbh
There’s already comments and stuff out about it by parents 💀 😭😭 and obviously alot of parents are not happy with Frankie being non-binary now
kinda reminds me when my mom said g4 MLP was "slutty and anorexic" like they are horses????????
Once I went shopping at a second hand store with my aunt and her friend, and they had these cool shoes with black brass knuckles for heels. My aunt's friends would not shut up about how those shoes were going to turn me into a stripper. She made me call my mom to ask for permission- my mom didn't care, my aunt didn't even care, I'd known this woman for less than a day and she was convinced that buying a pair of shoes was going to result in me 'throwing my life away'. People are ridiculous some times.
I also looked at a lot of these recently! I think the Fox one had the same guy criticize G4 of My Little Pony for having "horses with flirtatious eyelashes" but I could be confusing that with another one.
@kotełki Faux News guy = brony confirmed.
@kotełki 💀..
@kotełki Sounds like it...If I were him, I wouldn't put that out there, people can be very cruel....
_Horses with flirtatious eyelashes_ 💀💀💀
“They’re only into boys and shopping and wearing skimpy clothes!”
Operetta, Venus, Lagoona, and like half of the other characters: *pardon-?*
personally im not a fan of the original dolls, i love the idea but the bodies were something i didnt and still dont dig now. the way they bend looks...... uncomfortable. but today i actually bought my first ever mh doll and i love her!!!! i really hope that someone at mattell saw the illuminati comment, id love a collection based on them 😂😂😂
What doll did you get? 🙂
@@leannmiller8358 cleo! i was hoping for draculaura but my kmart doesn’t have her 😔
@@phieee8352 Cleo looks beautiful and Draculaura is my favorite 😃 Congrats on your first doll! 👏
Ooh, it would be so funny for matel to do that! Just to see Karens and conspirationnist go ham!
bad taste, get well soon 🙏🙏
a lot of these complaints start out in a reasonable place and then nosedive into completely ridiculous... "the dolls lack body diversity and only one of them wears pants" ok, totally reasonable, ".... and their skirts are SLUTTY and PROVOCATIVE!!!" girl what?!?!?!?!
I’m really glad that my mom isn’t one of those “THINK OF THE CHILDREN!” moms and bought me a Draculaura for my birthday that year Monster High debuted. It’s one of those franchises that helped shaped my fashion style today and helped me through a vulnerable part of my life.
Additionally, with the hate towards the 2022 reboot, I find it annoying because none of these people *cared* about MH until it became popular again. Like…two things:
1) *whacks with a newspaper* The new MH show isn’t even out yet.
2) *Know* what you’re talking about instead of jumping on the bandwagon to seem cool and popular. 😑
If there is one thing I can complain about Monster High, it's the 2016 reboot. Not because of being "sexualized", but because the aesthetics and directions looked more like a show you can find on Nick Jr.
Bruh imagine if MH was a “boy” toy line, literally nobody would’ve said anything. Talk about double standards
“Imagine your sweet daughter putting her doll to bed in this!” Draculaura’s coffin
Me: you know you don’t HAVE to buy it for your child if you don’t feel it’s right for them right?!
I have never laughed so hard in my life, the people who wrote those things are the only people in the world I would call weirdos in a derogative manner.
Some people really need hobbies, good god... Imagine overreacting about a piece of plastic 😭😭
Edit: the only thing I kind of agree in this "criticism" is the body thing, when I was a kid I loved the movies and cartoon, but I didn't like the dolls because of how skinny they were, but still this is a PREFERENCE, the way they were talking about this like it's shameful to be skinny or have a eating disorder is so disgusting.
I find it funny that those people NEVER criticize how "boy's toys" sell an almost impossible body standard to kids too. It's always about AFAB's and women's bodies, I wonder why? 🤔🤔
They complain they are too thin but also say they are promoting Obesity with the new Dracula no one can win
It’s hilarious how if a female isn’t in a ankle length skirt she’s.. sexualised 🤨
All the Controversy that Monster High dolls got back in the 2010's will always be hilarious to me like bro they are just plastic monsters it's not that deep😭😭😭😭
The parents who complain about these dolls are almost definitely doing more damage to their children’s self esteem than any doll could.
Despite all the hate and criticism from Karens and nutjobs alike, Monster High was still the most popular doll line, if not the most popular toy line, of the 2010s.
I hate that people compare MH to anorexia patients and it is absolutely heartbreaking. No one in their right mind ever thought these dolls were Associate with promoting eating disorders. Usually those get triggered by the people folks grow up with ( like parents or toxic friends and outside family)
I grew up with MH and looked up to the girls so much. I’m not a stripper….ironically I’m Asexual now. It’s funny how parents can spill their issues onto a doll as if that’s the only factor that can influence a child, how about criticizing how parents teach their children to view the world and their own toys? If you teach a child that this kind of style is just immoral and for strippers then the child will only see it as that and even look down on others who dress this way. Bad parenting is the problem, not plastic toys
wrt body image stuff. i struggled with body image pretty much since puberty, and i grew up playing with barbie and bratz and in high school i collected monster high dolls. never once do i remember wishing i looked like them, i was only ever comparing myself to real people. maybe it has to do with how children and teens are treated like they’re too dumb fpr their own good, but i could tell the difference between a (sort of) realistic body ideal and a stylized toy.
the way pictures and videos are edited on insta and tiktok are doing WAY more damage to young peoples self confidence than a doll ever could, but it’s easier to blame a toy company than examine society as a whole i guess
Sometimes I’m so glad my mom grew up in West Hollywood during the 80s….. she let me like anything I was into…. Seeing these comments about other peoples parents restricting them makes me sad :( I hope we all can reclaim our childhoods and enjoy those things guilt free
My mom was similier expect she grew up in Brazil pfft
She was a massive fan of things like bratz-she thought they looked gorgeous and brought them for me as a kid
She even built an entire doll house for me since the ones we had at isreal were small
Even now as i decided to start cellacting monster high she really loves how the dolls look
Its honestly sad to see parents who wont let their kids enjoy something so inncent as fashion dolls
Ngl those first two were utterly disgusting. Especially the part about "wardrobe malfunctions"
I would love a bratz version of this video 😭 I was rolling the whole time at the stupidity
The man who said MH dolls dress like strippers has never seen regular people on the street or what? Bc the outfits are not even that out there.
goth, punk, emo, and alt girls seeing all this criticism about “real women” not dressing like that: lol okay
i wasn’t too into dolls during the first generation of MH but i’ve always had respect for them because they’ve been foundational to so many girls who aren’t attracted to (traditionally) feminine aesthetics. it’s something for the “weird” girls who like universal horror monsters and the craft and were making “potions” out of dirt and rocks in the yard. it’s charming and i’m glad there’ll always be a market for them, uninformed critics be damned
It's definitely double standards when it comes to Boy toys. I also collect Masters of the Universe....the main guy.."He-Man" wears nothing but a furry loin cloth & a chest strap over his huge bulging muscles....in fact most of the characters are dressed in a similar fashion but you never hear parents complain about these.l!!
Coffin Bean being a porn star name? 🤣 I'm crying
1) Can't help but think the "pornstar name" thing is about how sex workers' stage names tend to be based on puns & pop culture references. Makes me wonder if all punny names are inherently sexual to these ppl/why pun names make them think of porn b4 anything else.
2) I can understand someone taking issue w/ fashion dolls as a general concept, as far as promoting restrictive beauty standards, consumerism, commidifying alt subcultures etc. But I'll never understand ppl who get mad at FASHION doll lines & media for focusing on fashion. It's like going to a nascar race & complaining that every1 likes cars too much. What did you expect??
3) Toys can absolutely influence how children view their own & others bodies, but I'd argue that the more stylized/unrealistic a doll is, the less kids are gonna compare them to real life. & either way, images of actual human beings they see on tv & in their personal lives are gonna influence them more than anything else.
4) All these comparisons to strippers/"street walkers"/etc...just say you think sex workers/women who are unashamedly sexual deserve to be disrespected & go.
5) There's NOTHING wrong with wanting attention. It's a basic human need. If you think some1 is doing something "just to get attention", the goal should be to give it to them in a respectful, constructive way. NOT to shame them for daring to want reassurance they're acknowledged & valued.
15:43 “..by playing with dolls that have stiletto pumps or “hooker platform heels” made of pink chains, they are supposed to Learn tolerance.”
“...And why is tolerance so venerated today, seemingly more important than great moral virtues”
...and why is it there are people in this world, like the person who wrote these quotes, who think tolerance of others and the way they live their lives is somehow not a great moral virtue?
Okay when they mentioned Illuminati I just about cried because I was laughing so hard- are these people okay?? do they need help? Like seriously- who sees some cute fashion dolls with bright colorful clothes and hair and immediately thinks that the Illuminati is behind it???
My parents never let me get monster high dolls because they thought the outfits were too revealing and would promote satanic beliefs. I remember watching one of the movies at a friend’s house, knowing my parents would disapprove if they found out, but falling in love anyway. I related to the characters who weren’t afraid to express themselves. I watched as much monster high as i could get my hands on in secret, and even though my monster high phase was short-lived, the characters and ideas stuck with me. I didn’t relate to a lot of other people my age, but these movies were an outlet where I could see characters like myself, who are freaky, and fabulous, and unashamed. I have to give some credit to MH for also sparking my current love of alt fashion and darker, edgy or macabre aesthetics. Hey, maybe now that g3 is hitting the shelves, I can start collecting, and experience the franchise like I wasn’t able to as a kid.
My mom didn't like bratz or monster high. She said they dressed like hoochie mamas and she wouldn't buy them unless they looked acceptable to her. The first doll she got for me was dead tired Frankie but getting a doll from her was like pulling teeth
I like how the one at 9:51 bashes Monster High for being "mostly white" when the only two main characters with human skin tones are brown girls ( Clawdeen & Cleo) and the only main characters with "white" skin are supporting boy characters.(Deuce & Jackson)
The one person said „impossibly thin bodies“. Exactly that’s the point. They are NOT supposed to be realistic
All of a sudden I want to become a pornstar named "Coffin Bean"
I would LOVE to hear one of these on Polly Pocket! In general though, hearing hate comments hurts my heart. There's already so much of it out there, it feels good to have a safe place from it here. Your positive enthusiastic videos have been helping me overcome some of my own internalized misogyny
People are friggin weird. I wasn't into Monster High, because I'm more into princesses, but the hate that Monster High got and the people's reasonings are insane.
I remember when Monster High dolls first came out, I was not allowed to have them because my mom did not like the theme. (When I was younger I couldn't have Bratz either because of the same reason.)
Luckily now my mom has changed her views on the Monster High dolls at least, and gets them for my little sister at garage sales and such.
as a child who played with monster high dolls aged 7 - 11 my only problem I had (and my mother had) was how skinny the lil pegs were to attach the hands back to the arms were, forearms ftw
People are always so mean to Draculaura in my comment section on TikTok😭 side note I LOVE the MH hoodie😍
I cringed every time they used a derogatory term against sex workers.
Man, this reminds me of that time where my cousin came over to my house and i showed her my MH magazines. I asked her which monster is her favourite character and she said none because Monster High was satanic. I didn't say anything or let her opinion get to me.
So, as someone who grew up in that kind of environment where a “smart and morally correct girl” in order to be taken seriously (as a child and teenager by the way) had to dress and act in an exact way, let me just say yes: it was incredibly boring. You can’t have fun with clothes, laugh at every little stupid thing life brings up, and you have to always be smart and “perfect”. You have to look down on other girls who do their makeup, do cheerleading, or just go to the mall with their friends. And my god, it was incredibly and painfully boring. I did not have fun in that kind of environment. And super toxic but that goes without saying. When I tell you Monster High opened my mind up to being flawed is okay, or captured my imagination no other doll brand had done before. It was a magical moment when I first introduced. It was right as I was breaking out of my shell and really helped me accept myself and others. not all the ghouls were about fashion and if they are, so what!?! If it makes the ghouls happy then let them be. I realized happiness is so much more important and I think the Karens writing these are jealous that the ghouls were living their undead life to the fullest.
It's interesting to note how most of these ideas and phrases are ones that have been thrown at the alternative community for decades now
The thing that bugs me about general public adults critiquing dolls is that they assume what kids think of and do with their dolls. Now I never had monster high as a kid (but I always wanted one), but I had Barbie’s. My Barbie’s were always adults to me. In fact in any doll line I collected (with the exception of Chelsea dolls or certain LPS), my dolls were always young adults to me. I loved dressing my Barbie’s in “adult like” colours and styles because it’s what I thought was cool but I was too young to wear as a kid. Not necessarily stripper fashion but ripped jeans, strapless tops etc. As a kid high schoolers seemed much older to me so I didn’t think twice about their fashion
they missed the "monster" part of the franchise
I've grown up playing with fashion dolls ever since I could remember up until I was about 8-9ish. I have a larger build and couldn't give a heck about what my body looks like even when I was younger. I only owned a few monster high dolls because they were on the more expensive side and not something 6 year old me could spend their Christmas money on, however I remember playing with my sister's Abby doll a lot. I was also raised a Christian and my parents didn't care less about what the dolls I played with were wearing or their body shape, they only cared that I was using them to roleplay appropriate situations, often joining in (but very rarely)
When I was a kid, I needed things explicitly spelled out for me. I didn’t really understand what sex, hookers, etc. even were until I started watching more graphic tv shows in high school. No way I would’ve connected any of that with Monster High…
When Monster High came out, I've already been an adult (20 yrs old) and I have never been SUPER interested in these kind of dolls to begin with...but Monster high was like my "I wish i had this growing up". They didn't turn me into a fanatic doll collector or anything, but they did get me into buying some of them. The whole Idea behind this and the actual show and movies were where my main interest was drawn too. And i started creating my own characters for that universe back then and there... and I am still going strong doing it. I am nearing my 100 OC. this brand sparked my creativity and is keeping the flames strong. so much so that i was mortified over some of the hate G3 received from within the so called fanbase. it was like a lot of people have turned vile over their nostalgia that they completely forget what this Brand's one message was. They threw tHat out of the window and started insulting people involved with this reboot even to the point of some of them leaving social media. how dare you call yourself a Fan and then turn around and do shit like this?! i am not saying that as a fan you have to like everything they put out or that you cannot criticize it. But holy hell, get a hold of yourself before you call actress' ugly, not poc enough to play a certain role, lgbtq+ phobic towards changes that are good for representation etx just because you can't handle change and the fact that you are not the main demographic anymore. geez.
I love Monster High and I had two of them but I lost them (my biggest regret 😭). My parents didn't want to by these dolls, not because they were inappropriate, because they were expensive.