The Dark History Behind Alice In Wonderland 🍄
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Back then for post cards the parents would photograph of their children completely nude. So back then it wasn’t unusual at the time
Yeah
@iyoki !❤️🩹 I mean at the time no, for today absolutely disgusting
@@sophiachou2791 it was always disgusting, but back at that time people didnt acknowledge it
@@AreesDaOG May I be so bold?
@@kendalmorford1792 May I be so bold
I don't think you realize that nudity wasn't seeing the same way as it was nowadays back then. Nudity actually used to be seen as a sign of purity especially in children. Plus he had her parents consent. So pictures like that weren't unnormal. Not to mention it was actually rumored that he was trying to get with her mother. Which is why he wasn't allowed to see anyone in the family.
Lewis Carroll was actually pretty tame for the Victorians in terms of child nudity, back then it was not a faux pas to photograph children in that manner but rather a depiction of the innocence of childhood
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@righthandstep5 If someone stated a point, common practice is to rebute it with actual words if you do not agree with it.
If you just made a face at someone in real life like that, the person who would actually be seen as the juvenile idiot would be none other than you, mostly no offense.
Reminds me the cover album of that Nirvana album
Does no one realize that she doesn’t blink
That is WIERD!!🤭😶😳
Yeah why are her eyes so squished-
Guys. The video is taken and shot at different times, you can see her body in one position then the next at some points. She most likely blinks then.
I saw her blink at the end of one of the clips then she started not blinking again
😳That's some spooky shid. Remember, beings from other galaxies 🛸walk among us🙃
He was actually infatuated w Alice' s older sister. Also, photos of young gitls was ' trending' during those times.
Where did you learn that Caroll was infatuated with Alice's sister? I've read all about this controversy and I've never heard that.
Yea but i wonder why it was "trending" (still is.) we dont need to justify this shit. the world's always been depraved.
And for another thing all the children that Lewis Carroll met all reflected fondly upon him later in life, every single one
I read somewhere that he was actually sleeping around with a lot of other men's wives, but since polygamous relationships were frowned upon, someone started a rumor that "he just really loves the children!" as a cover story. Somehow, being obsessed with young girls was more acceptable than sleeping with a married woman at the time.
Weird
Actually the real reason why they might have cut ties with the author was most likely because he still a kiss from Alice's oldest sister and wanted to marry her which lives unacceptable. For some reason I don't remember why
Actually those photos were for Christmas cards and it was very common back in the Victorian era to send nude photos of your children as Christmas cards I don't know why but apparently the thing back then best to leave it there.
I think it was thought of as the beauty of naturalness or something.
@@capncake8837 ok
They also photographed themselves with their dead relatives so who the Hell knows
@@ktlarsen9244 yeah photos are cool and your loved ones are cool why not photograph the last image you'll have of them? It's your last chance
@@williamswonderland3636 basically. I just don't understand why people try to figure out why folks did things the way they did back then. Different era.
This is one of those things that we aren't actually sure if it's actually pedo or not because photography was actually very new at the time. Yeah by today's standards, definatly creepy but by that time's standards it's really hard to say because none of us lived in that time period so we don't know what was "normal" or not.
He wasn’t. He was innocent. The world is full of selfish and horrible people to try and make him look like one.
@@alegendamongmen oh yeah, very much most likely. It's like some people are just trying to find reasons to hate something/someone just because they were famous or popular
Tbf there’s so many rumors about him nobody knows the truth. I keep hearing Alice was a hallucination from drugs he took
@lunarialoonatic yeah that's a big one I've heard about as well but from what I've heard, it might not be true but who knows? Alot of it could just be people trying to find an excuse to pull someone down just because they are famous.
Yeah back then it was different so
This is taken in the context of now but when it was happening it was normal
“How fake do you want this to be?”
“Yes.”
Really?
@@squishyowls yep
@Ava Lee it’s fake.
I mean he did take weird photos of Alice but it was actually a common thing for the era and not seen as creepy in the slightest.However I’ve never heard about the whole “Asked Alice to marry him” thing and a lot of commenters are saying that he was actually in a relationship with Alice’s older sister so it’s not really a “Dark history” he kind of just fell out with the family that inspired the book lol
@@squishyowls no
ok but the oysters story really traumatized me as a kid
Miss- I hate to break it to you, but I don’t think you did your research. Taking photography of n-de children was very common in the Victorian Era. Parents also gave consent and so did the child. On top of that, it was common for parents to send holiday cards with their n-de children in them. It signified purity. It isn’t how you think it is.
Nude back then was actually ment to be pure, not like it is now, but asking an 11 year old to marry him is concerning, though he's not the only one who did that, from what I read or heard before, in Romeo and Juliet, Romeo is 17-21 years old, and Juliet is at least 12-13 years old, and at school(forgot the people) a at least 30 year old man married a 16-20 year old, and many other people have done this.
Romeo was 15 I believe, though his age is unclear
pretty sure that's cap
alice in wonderland is my favorite fairy tale, i've done my own research on it's origins and lewis carroll.
It's almost like.... Not everything everyone says on the internet is... Not true...
The topic itself seems true in my opinion, because I’ve read and listened to multiple sources of this topic. Just to make you feel better, taking pictures of unclothed children was quite common back in his day. It wasn’t portrayed as bad as it is today.
@@whytho000 yeah but like what’s with the sass they are just clarifying misinformation for people who don’t know
Dodgson was very sus. If you actually did research and can’t see that then you’re sus af too🤨
It was normal at the time-
Somebody said the info isn't right.
That was normal back then though. It’s gross now, but back then families were fine with that
Its was normal for nude pictures of kids back in 1880 through 1890 ive done my far research and im positive lewis Carroll dident ask her to marry him
Why exactly is a passion for photography “unusual”?
Because what he took pictures of
@@Onomonopia That may be what she implied, but she said it wrong. A unusual passion for photography is not the same as a passion for unusual photography.
because he took inappropriate photos of an underage child
@@Dr.DonTron You have missed my point.
@@johnfairweather9188 u dont understand
This isn’t completely true. Back then photography was new and his passion for it wasn’t “unusual” my grandfather loves photography so is that unusual? And second, times were different then and what’s appropriate now may not have been the same then. He also always asked permission to take the photos. As for the last part, that may have been a joke or just some crazy rumor. If you read this thank you for your time!
He also asked the Alice's peronts if he could take the noude pic
For the photos that’s not 100% true. First off he was friends with the family and asked the parents permission before taking the photos. Also, you can’t be that mad at him for the photo because back in the day people didn’t care about children safety that much. If he was alive today I don’t think he would had made them do inappropriate photos.
Times were much different back then, many children were photographed like that so you have to keep that in mind. Its actually more likely that he was into her older sister who was of age but still very young by todays standards. There is evidence to support this. Caroll was not of the social class her mother approved and her virtue couldnt dare be questioned. There are letters supporting this and they created the narrative about him being too affectionate toward Alice to throw off the scent of the older sister. Because she was of age (still incredibly young) it would have been very scandalous and tarnish the Little family name. Ive researched this extensively and there is a yt video about this as well. He also took a full frontal nude photograph of the older sister as a pubescent teen. Which, goes beyond the nude children thing. Small nude children were seen as more like cherubs but a clearly developing teen is very different. This is what myself and many others believe. It was also known he played a "kissing" game with girls the older sisters age. Like many, witty and spunky small children, he did love Alice much in the same way a lot of adults like being around small children like that. Stubborn and funny, spunky little kids.
Why isn’t she blinking🧐
But that’s creepy because we learned about Alice in Wonderland and the making of it in school, and apparently they left out a lot.💀💀
The pictures were inappropriate, in the era he wrote in, nude pictures of children were put on Christian cards to friends and family to show how the children were growing
When your name is is Alice and your 11😐
POV: the guy in the very very first clip is Johnny depp-
Liddell is inspired by Alice in wonderland: Madness returns family
I actually love that game! And I gotta say I absolutely HATE Bumby I wish he was tortured before he was hit by the train
The author was also on *substances* while writing it apparently
I mean... explains the catapillar
Lol well that explains it
Yup I searched it on Google to make sure it wasn't a rumor definitely explains the hallucinations and the smoking I haven't watched the movie in while correct me if I am wrong
Wowa
Makes sence
Okay aside from that this was normal back then. Does anyone agree that Disney makes terrible backstory’s into amazing movies?
Btw her father shot him, yay!
*When your in a play call Alice in wonderland when you see this*😀
When your eleven
👁👄👁
I'm 12, and the first fact is a lie. Taking nude pictures of children was "capturing childhood innocence" and there were no wrong intentions behind it. Nowadays, it's considered child pornography, but back then it was the norm, and you could find post cards with them on it.
But not in the 1800s 😮💨
my mom loves alice and wonderland she doesn’t know the back story of it
If Alice was around today she’d be charging him for it on onlyfans wearing “ill fitting clothing”
I saw a kids cartoon in Cartoon Network lewis and alice bruh I love that cartoon 😁
Apparently, that was actually common at the time
Can't believe top comments on yt would try to defend this. It's still gross no matter what
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"ill fitting clothing and a suggestive pose"??? have you seen the photos??? she's literally just sitting down in summer linens, this was a time where kids practically played naked outside because of the clothing we had and photography was brand new so Carrol was literally doing nothing worse than taking photos of his family as they enjoyed themselves. if he's creepy for it, then boom pow bam so is my mother and every friend that ever took a picture of me in a bathing suit at the pool.
When the video ended one of my paintings fell and I got this eerie vibe.
I don't think I was supposed to watch this.
I thought this was the reason Alice madness returns was made
YES, finally! Another person that thought this! HELLO FELLOW ALICE MADNESS RETURNS FAN!👋
Ah yes, Alice madness returns, one of the best fucking games ever.
Interesting
1 : no he did not ask her to marry him
2 : at the time child pornography was not seen as an issue, it's was normal
Most photographers would take nude of children without it being sexual
With our modern eyes we know it's wrong but at the time they did not realise pedophile could use thoses photography.
Please.. If not sexualized, it is NOT pornography...
Do you even consider how many modern art photographers have taken child nudes!! FAMOUS ONES too.
And no, they are not pornographers, preditors, child molesters or perverts...
The fact that my name is Alice 💀✋🏻
It is currently 1:43 in the morning as I’m watching this
I was told that the person who wrote Alice in Wonderland had a daughter who awoke one day and told him all about her amazing dream wich he liked so much he decided to make the story
Next video
Dark truth on why i dont blink
very similar with the themes in alice: madness returns, ironic that the antagonist of the game is just like the original author
It was normal back then, and I can believe that especially since most ancient statues, including statues of children, were sculpted nude and you still see these kinds of statues proudly displayed at museums.
They weren’t inappropriate. They were rather normal photos for their time. AND he asked the parents permission to take the photos.
Is no one gonna talk about the Rat???
I'm tired happened in there he tried to kill Alice when she was doing something he was right behind her everything was story that she was in
Pov ur name is alice. Me : …😭😭😭
I find this very hard to believe seeing as the times they were in that was the norm. Wasn’t there people who were in their 40’s with 14yo as wives with children??
It is well stablished that at the time it was normal for people to photograph kids nude, sometimes with wings like angels , cupid, and the parents didn't get angry , it is said they were aware all slong, such a disappointing uninformed video
Omg there is a video game I’m addicted to called Alice madness returns and the liddle family is in it but they die in a fire in the lore of the game!
Yes this is really true, but to kinda set things more into sense, little Alice would get r@ped by her father so that why she got asked to marry him, then everytime she would get r@ped …… she would be in wonderland…. So the “R” in the movie that sticks out a lot stands for that-
Also in sleeping beauty, idk if you heard of this but she is “alseep” she is really in a coma….. somewhere in the woods, and the prince, not even the prince, some random guy, r@pes her and gets her pregnant. So she woke from her coma giving birth to the child……. 👺👺 if I’m wrong then please tell me. Or don’t.
And yes I liked my own comment 😊😊
I blinked! You won the staring contest!
ok who knows the video game alice in to madnesses is that what it’s base off on not the “fake” alice in wonderland 🧐🤨
The photograph of Alice Liddell she is talking about was a two part photo, one of her dressed like a rich girl, and the other a poor girl while in the same location to make a point about class.
Also about the rumor, some people think he proposed to Alice, some think it was to Lorina Liddell and some think he proposed to the Liddell's Governess.
Not to mention the many other theories about it.
And last but not least when Alice Liddell was 18 she saw Lewis Carroll (his real name being Charles Dodgson) a last time for another photograph.
Can I say that this was rude? Like come on, learn your stuff before you say anything, so please, watch yourself, no need to be the one of misinformation.
back then it actually wasn't inappropriate in that time.
That doesn’t justify anything
In the end it was just all Alice dream
That was that time the girls had nothing but kind things to say about Uncle Louis. Nowadays it Is absolutely seen as gross. But back then, that was just how It was and he never did anything Physically inappropriate or sexual with them.
I have watched a documentary about this and I don't think you have all the information hun
Blink
How American mcgees alice and alice maddness returns was inspired and made
Ooh great video, yes! Charles Dodgson-aka Lewis Carroll, was a tutor at Christ Church college at Oxford University and Alice was the daughter of the Don (head) I am from Oxford, these details are left out of all the tourist stuff, hmm.. right?
He also kept the diary as well and some of his pages are missing we don't know what was written on said pages
Alice was Lewis’ daughterrrr!!!!!!
I kept looking at her becoz she wasn't blinking and becoz of that i wasn't blinking and so were alot of ppl
My name is Alice 😂
Probably because he took inappropriate photos of her
But other documentaries claim that the character Alice is not based on either of the Liddell girls.
Wow! You are named alissa to!!
When alice in wonderland is your favorite movie:🥲
why is she not blinking 💀💀
Hasnt this already been disproven???
I thought you were talking about Tim Burton for a second💀
I'm scared of the chesire cat because of a phobia I have
Times were different
Ummmm I’m wearing a Alice in wonderland shirt
k?
Theres a Alice and lewis in wonderland in cartoonito
They need to remove Alice in Wonderland from the electrical parade
OMG TY for telling me ty ty ty
I always didn’t like Alice in wonderland and now I have another reason
Who knows Alice in wonderland bakery is that still counts
My name is alice but wif an s in romanian
Nah bro this is literally cap
The developer of that movie LITTERALLY just had that idea
Are u doing this to ruin our childhood ,ig yes bro
Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland is an old book…
Yo, give historical context too
Get your facts straight
weren’t _all_ those just rumors?
Only at Wednesdays I'm alone with my sister
It's already pretty dark
Nice so a pervert wrote the book that people read to their kids. I just threw the book in the garbage. It's weird and creepy anyway.
Oh it when I was little my mom made me a party like that when I was little when I had three
*why u should be scared of Alissa* (BECAUSE SHE DONT BLINK)
People love to spread negativity. I mean no one in their right mind would condone child molestation or harm in any fashion but I just see so many of these type of videos ruining childhood memories and exchanging them for nightmares. It just makes you think like.. this person had a choice to talk about some positive and spread that message or talk about something negative to get a shock factor out of people and more views. I could just keep scrolling and I’m sorry if there are people out there that love to bask in awful thoughts or just have that whole woke negative vibe. Y’all can do you, I just felt like something needed to be said. Alice in wonderland is a childhood classic and favorite of mine and now it’s tarnished.. all I can see is Alice as a victim now. Thanks Debbie Downer. Mission accomplished
Im playing queen of hearts in my play
how did it go? I love watching play!
@@rithornanie_ it went well it was my first "acting thing"
I hava alice in the wondeland syndrom