Can Classical and Pop Musicians See Eye to Eye? (Ft. Roomie and Jonas)
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We didn't expect this video to go so long, but there were just so many interesting points, and we don't feel like cutting them out!
0:00 Introduction
1:15 I genuinely enjoy listening to classical music
9:04 I genuinely enjoy listening to pop music
15:00 Pop music is becoming more and more repetitive recently
19:17 Pop music requires less practice or talent than classical music
28:00 Succeeding in music is easier for pop musicians
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Writing this comment with my ”Calming Classical” playlist playing in the background. Thanks for having us guys, always a pleasure :)
Haven't Brett and Eddy sent you the Headbanging one yet ? 😁
I hope you are enjoying your break man! Can't wait to see what awesome videos you come back with :D
Was great to see you on this video! Looking forward to your uploads again! But i think it's great that you take some time off, which must be scary i suppose.
Can you suggest to Brett and Eddy to turn the weekly classical music recommendations for Jonas into a newsletter? I promise I'll subscribe.
That's because Jonas is a boss!
This has potential to be a banger podcast
I'd listen to these four discuss classical pieces and pop albums, like an Analyze Phish type gimmick
For real I love their debating style
Oh yeah make it happen!!
YES! I would listen every week.
Please make it happen
You guys should try “Listening ONLY to Classical / Pop music for a week” for your next videos and come back to share your experiences 😎
i think a week is too long maybe like about 3-4 days
omg yes
@@wobblyorbee279 i agree they need to practice 40 hours a day
Yess
Good idea
We need a competition where Brett and Eddie try to write a pop song, and Joel and Jonas try to write a classical piece and see how they get on with their limited knowledge of the genres.
yeah that would be amazing
It would be to easy for Brett and eddy cause pop is such a simple genre and that’s why I don’t like pop cause in my opinion it’s way to simple and as a percussionist and a drummer(I’m also a pianist) I appreciate complex rhythms/all parts of music and that is why I listen to classical and massively hate pop/hip hop/rap
@@farduckling6394 isnt simple ....as guitar teacher its actually the same, is red better than blue ? ...well are different so is no sense question, and if you want with a subjective answer.
only kids say this is better than this or harder mine blablabla ....kids stuff
pop music be like: 4/4 c e d c
well done to editor-San for actually editing in the music they were talking about 👏👏 shdhchc the patience 😌
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roomie: "you are not only a pop fan, you are also not straight anymore"
eddy: **nods from experience**
me: **spits out water**
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"Your bias can be Jimin and Mozart at the same time."
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rofl editor-san really killed it this time lmao
In my opinion, the difference between classical music and pop music is sort of like what roomie was saying, he said that pop music connects and classical music does not. However I would put it differently. I would say that pop musicians attempt attempt to connect to an emotion that the listener already feels or relates to, whereas classical music tries to bring the listener to the emotion or idea that the composer wants to express. Pop music reaches OUT and tries to easily relate to listeners, whereas classical music invites the listener IN to try and understand a concept or emotion or idea.
Very interesting take, and well said!
I agree, but I guess would simple describe it as, pop music creates a society while classical music creates a world. (I'm not sure if that makes sense, but I can elaborate if need be).
So, Pop music is like movies, and classical music is like books
great take!
That's an interesting take and I agree 100%
As a consumer of both types of music, I would have to say classical is definitely harder technically. Of course anything can be made very complex and difficult, but if u just take the "average" difficulty and talent, the amount of practice required to make a classical vs. pop piece sound ok is worlds different.
That point is such a difficult thing to compare lol. I play keys and there are pop musicians like Cory Henry and Jacob Collier that reaches such a incredible level of playing. Again hard to compare though
@@peruperu-jj8zs Cory henry and Jacob collier are not pop musicians.
All music reflect the aesthetics of the era they are born in. People after WW2 lived a faster life, consumation became priority, and thanks to the changing social rules: places and rules where and how women and men could get together has changed. As soons as girls can go out without their parents to dance with guys, that changes the music and dance itself. Just think about how dance and music changed fromt he 1920s/30s to the 1970s. All that reflects in the music. No wonder it became dance oriented.
Pop is easy. I don't want to seem rude, ik all songs require a level of experinece to get good at them, but let's look at it in a logical way: all pop songs would've been famous if they were sang by a popular artist. I like Indie artists a lot because they make very great songs with even better melodies and lyrics but they're not very popular despite having more complicated songs compared to the mass produced songs that become popular due to the media that keeps reccomending them cause of the algorithm. Wap is popular because western medias made it popular. Tik tok specifically. If a famous person likes it, it'll immediately become famous. You can write a pop song with very trash lyrics and a very easy beat and people would still jam into it, but it's not that it's hard to write them that not all pop artists are popular, it's because the algorithm didn't catch them. After all take lofi. Nobody can change my mind here, lofi is VERY EASY to make and often times they don't even put any effort into making the tunes they release under that brand, but lots of people listen to it cause it's lofi. It's the brand they sell, not the music
@@bleromafia Jacob Collier/Cory Henry are jazz musicians, and jazz is a popular music genre. Classical music is a broad tradition in music and popular music is another tradition which includes "pop music", rock, jazz, metal, R&B, blues, soul, hip hop, electronic music etc.
The collab we didn't expect but we were needing for so long.
By far one of the highlights of 2021
They do great videos with Roomie. Same energy. Nice to see Jonas too, he fits so well in with his soft appearance.
@@xandraxandra1437 ikr! this debate was so interesting. i loved to see each other’s point of view!!
I think a thing more highlighting for twoset to impress me is using the original Paganini tune of the 1st concerto in E flat major instead of the d major version.
The collaborated on a video before, so much fun! They should do it way more often.
It's not their first collab tho
roomie: "you are not only a pop fan, you are also not straight anymore"
eddy: nods from experience
Me: *remembers when Eddy said "I think im turning gay bro" after he sees jimin lmfao
Yeeeeeees
Which video is this XD? Ive fallen off the Twoset track & need to get back on
@@ririko2210 czcams.com/video/zb77a69Lg_Q/video.html this one
I laughed sooo hard
Jimin makes everyone feel things inside. I think he helped the world have a new awakening. Lol
As an emerging classical composer, I'd say it is pretty hard to become successful, if only for the fact that it takes years to write a significant piece. After that, there's no guarantee that you'll even get anyone to play it, especially more than once, and especially in the orchestral world (I'm focusing on concert bands and chamber music for this reason). Pop writers can put out a bunch of 3 minute songs a year, and spend the rest of the time doing marketing because they actually have a product to market, and there's a much bigger audience. The audience I have to market to is basically just classical conductors and small ensembles lol
Yea we hate pop.
Why don't you market to a pop audience then?
@@Checkmate1138 because the music they want to write doesn’t appeal to a pop audience and they’re cognisant of that
Time to get some recording done!!
There's an abundance of modern classical music in Japanese television and games. Likely Korea too. Might have to move to find your fortune.
Twoset brought classical to me, a 17-year old guitarist and now beginner cellist. Really is true the influence they have.
how is the cello going? ❤️
I would like to see this with rock/metal musicians and classical musicians, because I think they have a lot more in common than most people realize
Yes. We need "Can Classical and Rock/Metal Musicians See Eye to Eye? (Ft. Rudy Ayoub and Adam Neely)". TwoSet if you're reading this, you have no idea how much of your viewerbase are into rock and metal genres.
or like become the knight
Would be interesting indeed, Brett and Eddy would have to do some research on rock/metal however to be able to make comments about it though
Dude imagine Stevie T and Jared Dines collabing with TwoSet. That would be amazing.
I would love to see this too. I’m a classically trained piano player ever since i was a toddler and i actually got into rock/metal before i got into classical music. More people need to be exposed to the wide variety of metal and understand that it’s not just noise.
Jonas: *headbangs* does classical music like that even exist?
Me literally 6 minutes ago looking exactly like that listening to Saint-Saens Rondo Capriccioso: 👀
My reaction to Prokofiev, ligeti, Shostakovich and Chopin 2nd sonata
Same!!! There are so many classical pieces that make me go just 🤘🤘🤘🔥
me to lalo violin concerto
Mars from the planets suite is so god damn headbang-able
Ysaye ballade
Bangable af
the more i hear brett and eddy talk about classical music, the more i remember that these 2 guys studied classical music in UNIVERSITY, are professional classical musicians and for sure have taken countless lessons on the theory, history and interpretation of classical music. it's a totally different vibe... damnn
As far as technical expertise, what’s missing here is the producer for pop music. The producer’s skill and time into the piece is extremely significant. There is no pop music without the producer. The production is what they are saying is where the skill in pop music is, and yet overlook that role, because artists are not necessarily producers, most aren’t.
yeah, people never mention the quality of production these pop songs have.
the crisp sounding vocals and instruments. the minutes effects added. producers are arguably more important than the singers
Well simply put, compare a composer and a soloist to a producer and a performer and I really think it's pretty clear which is more technically challenging and requires more practice and creativity. Also when you think about composers, a lot of them need to play multiple instruments if they want to compose for orchestra while a producer really only needs basic keys knowledge and play on a midi controller, any instrument he wants just pick it in his DAW.
@@phrog8728 true, but I wouldn’t compare a producer to a composer. They are more like a performer. It’s been year, but all I was saying is that the producer is extremely significant and can’t be overlooked.
@@tylerfb1 yeah I agree totally, producers are key in all of modern day music.
all their camera quality just improved by 40%
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No more vid cut-offs, it seems
The editor-san influence
@@jrexx2841 what was it
As a person who thought classical music was boring before. I feel like the reason why most people think classical music is "calming", "chill" or even "boring" is that they aren't really aware that there's more pieces other than canon in d, river flows in you, spring (u know all those calming pieces). Because before i honestly didn't even know that Holst's planets suit existed, or Mozart's symphonies even and many more (like there's literally thousands of pieces that I still don't know). And honestly one of the joys in listening to classical music is actually discovering more incredible pieces, more repertoire.
Edit: I just placed river flows in you there since a lot of people assume that it’s classical music and i thought it’s counted as contemporary classical music lmao.
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Basically any parent in the twoset community
Canon in D is not calming now
I wonder how one distinguishes between classical and instrumental music. I would put River Flows In You in the latter category but I don't know why...
@@ahhhbalalalallaalalalla *It’s traumatic*
Jonas: "you need to have statistics on this"
Roomie: "where's the research you made for this video? what are your team doing??!!"
Brett: "where are the statistics? rEaSeArCh??!!"
Editor San: "still trapped in basement" :( :( lol
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I love the old man Brett moment of Eddy saying "he thinks it's pop music because it's not classical" LMAO.
I disagree that most people don't connect with classical music. idk about how others feel, but I love classical music BECAUSE of the feelings it invokes. I'm not a musician or classical music expert, so I don't really pay attention to technique lol. I pay attention to the colors or images that a classical piece paints in my mind.
Kind of going off what Eddy said about classical music having so much variety; there are some intensely emotional classical pieces out there. I think it's very reductive to think the only worth in classical music is the artist's technique. Both classical and pop music can resonate deeply with audiences. :)
Thanks for having me on guys! From now on I'll only listen to classical music
OR WILL I? 👀👀👀
Video opportunity tho… A cover of a classical piece? 👀
The world needs more 👏🏻 Jonas 👏🏻 music 👏🏻
I hear the War of the Stars has some pretty great pieces ;)
I hope they gave you their list of awesome, headbangin' classical pieces.
I still can’t believe that you said that “everyone can be a world class violinist” xd
@@fish5465 haha yeah that was a joke
Jonas: “Sounds like you guys just like punishing yourselves essentially.” Yeah that’s basically it
That was so true, tho!
@@serenalizinnqui8474 painfully true
Where's the lie?
Story time: In HS, a group of us orchestra kids had to spend time in class with the choir kids (i think because of a guest lecturer that was brought in) and we were all very unsettled by how happy/chipper the choir kids we were. It was like the emotional version of stepping out into bright sunlight after being in a dark room :p Us orchestra kids looked at each other like the choir kids had something wrong with them 🤣
@@jazz_meh They did, no brains behind the music. hehehe. But seriously, the difference between classical and Pop musicians is twofold: the dedication required to master your chosen genre, and the discipline required to perform well. It isn't just a few musicians, it's closer to 100 performing as one, to make a symphony work. Nothing comparable in pop. The closest the pop world comes to classical is in Quartets or Trios. If you can point the way to a pop group that puts in as much heart and soul as the Esme Quartet does, I'd love to see/hear it. Almost 45 minutes of non-stop devotion/passion performance.
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@@garyguyton7373 lol I’m a classical musician and you’re crazy if you don’t think k pop and girl groups in the 90’s and artists like Britney Spears, Beyoncé, and rappers like Kayne don’t put as much work as us classical musicians do
I would listen to a podcast where TwoSet explains a classical piece to the pop guys and the pop guys explain a pop song to TwoSet!
As a visual artist, the comparison is like how it clearly takes more “talent” and skill effort to make photorealistic illustrations but you’ll always get more likes and “connect with people” with some 10-minutes meme.
It depends really, relating the discussion to art blurts the lines even more because both artists work just as hard it's up to the audience to appreciate and upvote stuff
@@shaunyjimenez9637 “a photorealistic portrait and a 10-minutes scribble, both artists works as hard” ok mate
that's explain why fanartist is more popular than artist with original stuff :'
@@RadenWA you don't realize that for the one who does the 10-minute drawing, if it's not one-time luck then it means they have to do it a lot more times than the other person. getting a simple thing to be atracttive requires lots of trial and errors. people often judge from the end result and thinks that it's pure luck, but in order to get lucky you need to throw a bunch of things to a wall and trying to get one sticks.
at this point it's just you being upset that someone else is more successful than you. working hard doesn't mean you deserve to success. the other person may looks like they're doing nothing, but in order to success they need to beat a lot more people than the amount you're competing with on the "high quality" level.
@@hoangminhnguyen4800 funny how you think I’m salty when I do *both* technically advanced stuffs and shitpost memes and I’m simply stating my objective observation of both.
The “throw a bunch of shit and see what sticks” approach applies to _everyone_ , which is why low effort content is at an advantage because they are designed for quantity rather than quality. If someone does something with higher quality and it’s not a one time luck success, you think they don’t also have to keep making more, at that same quality level?
It’s why the trend for everything now is towards quantity rather that quality, which explains why any kind of classical art is in decline lately, but who cares about those, right?
Every classical music teacher I've ever met :
"It doesn't matter how good your technique is if you can't connect with your audience"
And that's what classical musicians sadly very often forget, and that's that's they often fail to achieve the same level of success as popular artists (yes, including popular classical artists like Hilary Hann and such)
@@Checkmate1138 What? That's nonsense. Popular classical artists do not often forget connecting with the audience, that's literally what they spend their lives trying to do. Them not achieving the same level of success like pop artists has nothing to do with what you said
@@vt4979 I was referring to the average classical musicians, NOT popular classical musicians. In fact, I said "popular artists" to encompass both modern pop AND classical artists, not only pop artists. I never said popular classical musicians don't connect with their audience, nor did I compare them to pop artists.
@@Checkmate1138 ah sorry I misread your comment. That’s true yeah, I think it has to do with the higher entry bar for classical musicians, where they simply can’t express and connect the music with the audience if they don’t have good techniques already, and having good techniques is just the prerequisite.
@@vt4979 It's a common misconception that perfecting your technique takes the emotion away. On the contrary, you use it to stir certain emotions, being so in control of the technique gives you the possibility to focus more on emotion. If you want to do a good job that is. Otherwise you have to compensate with looks, dancing, stage glitter and whatever else. And also, people expect musicians/singers to "connect" all the time. They can't be in a constant emotional state and put their souls on a plate in front of thousands of people all the time, you find strategies to get to the audience without draining yourself emotionally.
Roomie explains everything so eloquently and clearly, I tend to forget he's actually a musical genius lmao
I don't follow Joel ("Roomie"), but in my mind there's no question that he's a musical genius. It's obvious in everything he says, when I've occasionally looked in.
@@snowyminnesota6028 i haven't gotten too far into the video yet so i'm not sure if it's mentioned but he actually used to be an incredible jazz drummer
@@Ohokk0 This is very cool to know.
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Even my husband who says he doesn’t really “get” classical music, when we saw Nadja Salerno-Sonnenburg play the Shos, said, “I can tell that was ‘art’ because it made me feel terrible.” 😂
Well, you don't need music knowledge to tell the difference between classical music and Cardi B. You need just common sense.
Film music IS simply contemporary classical music. It's a continuation of the tradition of scores commissioned for plays and ballets
It can not really be compared. It's not classical just because it's an instrumental with big drums and orchestral hits. Film music can best be defined a collaborative composition and that alone makes it not classical. Can you call interstellar classical? No way. It's not classical music just because it's a symphony.
@@phrog8728 If it follows symphonic form and uses the standard orchestral instruments it is absolutely classical music. But why would you mention a symphony when we're talking about film? Film scores never include symphonies. Orchestras can perform symphonies but they are not themselves symphonies.
@@EF-fc4du Symphony is literally a music composition for an orchestra. Film music is not traditionally classified as classical music. While film scores can incorporate elements of classical music, such as orchestral compositions, they are created specifically for use in films to enhance storytelling, create atmosphere, and evoke emotions. Film music encompasses a wide range of styles and genres, including orchestral compositions, electronic music, popular music, and more. Classical music, on the other hand, refers to a specific genre of music that originated in the Western tradition and encompasses a wide range of styles and periods, including Baroque, Classical, Romantic, and contemporary classical music. While they can overlap in terms of influence they are definitely two different genres.
@@phrog8728 No, it is a specific form consisting of multiple movements (typically four) one of which is usually a sonata. Concertos and opera are also composed for an orchestra but they are not symphonies. Just because an orchestra is involved doesn't mean it's a symphony and symphonies are not what film scores do.
If your definition of classical excluded music intended to facilitate the telling of a story, all opera music would not be deemed classical. But it most certainly is.
@@EF-fc4du While film scores composed for traditional orchestral instruments may share some similarities with classical music in terms of instrumentation and musical techniques, it doesn't necessarily make them classical music by definition. Film scores, even if composed for orchestral instruments, are created with the purpose of enhancing the cinematic experience and supporting the narrative of a film. They are often created in a collaborative process with the filmmakers and are designed to serve the specific needs of the visual medium. While film scores can certainly be artistically rich and masterfully composed, they exist within the context of the film and are not typically performed as standalone concert works.
It's important to distinguish between the genres of classical music and film music, as they have different histories, purposes, and artistic considerations.
Anyone think Roomie is such a good debater even when you disagree with him at some point. You get his picture of things
Yup, articulate guy
Yes!! And I need to remind myself that English was not his native language.
like using the beatles to justify cardi b etc ? trash points lol
Yeah, you could even say his a master debater, or, for short, masterbater.
@@myname-mz3lo thanks for randomly calling something trash without any explaination
It's funny how pop musicians talk about connecting with an audience (that I agree with) while they think that classical music perfoming is not about connecting and is just about technique. But the connecting part is the whole point of succeeding in classical music - you have to bring something special and unique to your playing so you can evoke the deepest emotions in your audience.
Yes!!! It’s not just technique, it’s artistry, and it moves people. That’s why we sit and listen for hours in concert halls
Connecting is not the same as evoking feelings, it's a lot more personal.
True! But also classical musicians often talk about these things the same way, like Two set did in this video. When asked about talent they talked about practicing the technique.
@@Ripototo But surely something must have connected you to the music to evoke feelings, right?
@@monie3681 Yeah my answer is not really good, it's more like the connection is not the same for pop music and for classical music (usually i'm sure there are some pieces where people can connect in a very personal manner).
Wasn’t Mozart’s whole thing that he wanted to make music more accessible and digestible for the public?
One might say he was a….pop composer
I mean isn't "pop music" is just "popular music" so mozart can definitely be considered a pop artist of his time lol
Vivaldi too I think
@@SkyCloudSilence mmm, idk, before Mozart there was baroque music... It's true that he made music more accessible in a way, and there's nothing bad with it.
What's the purpose of music? We don't even know that so we can't talk about "levels"
@@marcospina162 Yea, but no. People talk about "levels" all day long. The original commenter is attempting to insinuate that Mozart's music panders to the lowest hanging fruit. How retarded that is is irritating.
@@smile-sq7pt pop music means there is no real melody
I think Jonas is actually a pop music elitist. very rare kind
No, the opposite. TwoSet is a bit elitist... and Jonas wants to say that there are cases where pop music can be as genius as the great classical pieces.
@@MrAllallalla there are not. Is there any pop song that could ever compare to "Clair de Lune"? Or a Beethoven symphony? No. This level of perfection hasn't been reached by pop music so far. This doesn't mean that pop isn't great and impressive, but can you name one pop musician who is a genius like Chopin, Mozart etc?
@@pianogirl7125 hary style
@@MrAllallalla I genuinely don't think either of them are elitist. They just each are passionate about "their" genre and try to express it in a respectful way.
But it's true that Brett and Jonas are both the most "extreme" ones on their respective side of the table : Brett doesn't listen to pop, Jonas doesn't listen to classical. While Eddy and Roomie are more in the middle : they have a big preference for a particular genre, but are still able to appreciate other ones.
@@MrAllallalla First of all I disagree, they’re not elitist about it at all. However I am, name a pop song that is even half as good as Gustav Mahler’s Symphony No.2 “Resurrection” finale (lol I’m jk I love pop songs too they can be really good)
I loved this video. I like that Eddy and Roomie are on the "moderate" side, and Brett and Jonas are heavily on their respective sides, this brings more points of view of the topics they talk about. I am really impressed with Jonas, he brings some reasonable answers (please don't count the moment he said it's easy to become performers and have a great career, that's some real bs lol).
Also, I genuinely appreciate Roomie for congratulating with the goals that Brett and Eddy achieved with their channel, they really are revitalizing and keeping alive Classical Music, making people discover and love it.
Super agree with this, well said ^^
Remember folks, Brett is a true pure-bred classical musician!
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A pure-brett classical musician, if you will :)
Hahahahahha
While jonas is like brett but for pop music. It's so refreshing to hear a pure-bred classical musician and a pure-bred pop musician arguing things like this.
Please Brett.. Be pure bred. The reason I Stan you, as a musician.
Love whatever Music you want.. Just don't make it a reason to ruin you or distract you from life.. হয় bred
I think that it's really interesting how both classical and pop both 'limit' themselves in different ways, like in classical, you limit yourself by needing to be perfect, no incorrect notes, no amps, and in pop, it's by being minimalistic, creating a clever puzzle from simple pieces.
I would love to see this same sort of video but with jazz musicians. I’ve heard Jazz described numerous times as “America’s Classical Music” and think it would be really interesting to see the similarities and differences.
Roomie and Eddy simping over Jimin is the content I needed!!😭😂
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100%. That was too fun.
I lost it when he said, "I'm gonna need it for research."😂😂
I know🥰
(And I’m proud, as Jimin is one of my many bias wreckers)
So true man I loved that 😂😂💜💙
Jonas: "anyone can be a world-class violinist.."
I WISH THO IF IT WAS THAT EASY 😭
Lol ikr
Same lmao
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Yeah, it's kinda like saying anyone can be michael phelps, lol, if everyone can do it, no one would know michael phelps.
What a joke. I found Jonas very defensive of pop. TBH, I’m not a classical music lover but my ears knows that there’s more talent in classical. Pop... easier to be successful because you don’t need talent.
"Pop music require less practice or talent than classical music"
Expecting arguing rants from both camps.
Actually gets dissecting, honest and self-critical answers.
Love how the comedy and seriousness are very well balanced.
Like a good song/piece ;)
as Adam Neely accurately puts it, "repetition legitimizes". also he would be a great guest for one of these videos
Repetition legitimizes
they really aren’t helping the idea of musicians being nerds with all their glasses
I've literally never heard about this until you commented it.
And you arent helping the idea that nerds have glasses.
Even though nerd should be a compliment.
@@Squishy_Seal touche
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I met up with a few orchestra friends recently. And by the end we all realised that everyone was wearing glasses. Not even contact lenses. 6 people, all with glasses. Lol. We are livjng stereotypes.
"anyone can become a world class violinist"
me practicing my a** off trying to make Bruch concerto sound a little bit like what the actual world class violinist Hilary Hahn made it sound like: come again???
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I found that statement lol.
That's why it was a joke lol
You have to love that Roomie used Mariah and Freddy as examples, one famous for using her voice like an instrument and the other one being one of the best Rock artists ever.
Yeah because you cannot bring justin Bieber or taylor Swift into this conversation 🤣
He said Pop what about Michael Jackson??
Not to mention that Freddie Mercury could write damn good songs on the piano, and when he performed, there was no autotune and he had to sing and play piano at the same time
Freddy Mercury had one of the most interesting voices ever. That vibrato was INSANE.
Ummm I think Freddy received classical training for the piano and he did actually say in an interview that classical music influenced his music. In fact a lot successful pop artists say they’re influenced by Classical music. 😊
Sometimes the conversation falls on this misunderstanding that classical music only value is to "play it technically well". Taking away the fact that classical music were made also to connect to, based on, wars, life, death writings, religión, feelings, etc, etc, just as pop if you like, but beyond words, -literally- without any lyrics to sing on a lot of the pieces from the genre, and the amount of time and talent to make some was insane, like or even more than the value they are giving to the "writing of pop songs", which as being said a few times on this video is one of the appeals of pop music... like classic music didn't have that appeal (wrong). Also I don't think that is more complicated to produce a meaningful pop song than a classical meaningful piece, if you are considering producing pop now, with all the gadgets to make it easier, to how every instrument by it self in classic music could affect the overall feeling of it. Both have the same boxes to check, but I mean, nowadays gadget does make things easier and happen, even without a real talented singer, just hanging on the producing. To me it's all about the fact that ppl be judging classical for it's technically, even with such big meaningful backgrounds in the pieces, but be ok with a pop song with equally meaningful lyrics not having great or even good live performance most of the time, because is driven by other factors as trends, fame, stereotypes, fashion.. things that has nothing to do with music in fact. I mean I like pop music, both genres have different spots to fill. But this thing of saying that classical music is boring or out of style maybe comes with the fact that in this times, the exposure to fast, catchy, trendy, easy to listen content has contributed to our brains having a hard time to conect with something far more complex and if you want, equally meaningful in expressing feeling or thoughs, like classical music just because it won't take you 5 seconds to digest.
Well said
Now all we need is a collab with Daniel Thrasher and my life is complete :’)
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34:26 totally agree with Roomie. What TwoSet is doing is amazing. They may not be the best violinists, but they're bringing new life to the classical world/community, connecting to people and making it so much fun and interesting even for non-musicians to want to try it out. Cheers to Brett and Eddy, and here to support you! 👍
What? They're like...pretty darn good at violin too
@@bld9506 yup they're great violinists, but they're not Hilary level 😁 and don't get me wrong, I say that not as something against them because I love them and their playing (like I listen to their 2m Tchaik and 3m Sibelius more than Hilary's more polished version), but I'm realistic enough to know their level vs other soloists 😊
@@cyrissiryc5126 but it's kind of rude to say it on a comment on their video. 😂
@@ninjaaron is it rude though? 😊 I like them as they are, and I don't put them up in a pedestal or blindly worship them, isn't that more of a compliment to them? That I prefer their playing even if they sometimes do play out of tune, compared to other perfect performances out there? Because TwoSet isn't about perfect playing or being the best. It's about them, their passion for classical music, and bringing people to the classical community 😊
They would agree as well, don't you think? As Eddy said in his 3M Sibelius, he's not Vengerov, and I do not expect or want him to be 😉 because they're already great as themselves.
@@cyrissiryc5126 Of course they would agree! Manners aren't about truth!
Someone can say they themselves are too fat but, unless you're a doctor, you can't say they're too fat. It's rude. I know that I personally am not the best musician out there, but I don't want people commenting that on my videos unless they have concrete suggestions for improvement! That would be rude.
If someone isn't the best at something, chances are that they already know it and can do without being reminded.
The "problem" with classical music is that there is so much and that many pieces generally need to be listened numerous times to appreciate it and that is talking about compositions only. Then there often are hundreds of recordings of a typical piece were both recording quality vary widely and there is also huge varieties in the interpretation of the music. Both these factors can make the difference from epic to garbage.
The huge amount of compositions and then different recordings of each composition makes it generally harder to get into classical music for people who know little about the world of classical music nor knows anyone into it.
So there is a higher threshold for getting into classical music than with pop I think. If this wasn't the case I think more people would actually both listen to classical music and be able to find music they like in the genre.
Then, if you also have a deeper understanding of the theoretical part of music there will be a whole new level of appreciating the music.
Much of this is true for pop to some extent as well but pop is served to you "everywhere" so you don't have to look for it and it's (generally) easier to digest even on the first listen.
Regarding pop music being "simple" I also think (and this come from one that don't listen all that much to pop music) that pop music today is, to me at least, more about the production than the music and more about show than musicality. I feel that the (over)production in pop music actually many times gets in the way of the music, because some songs can actually be quite good and some musicians are also very talented but that does not come through either because of the production.
This in mainly what makes me not listen much to pop music of today. I have no problem with "simple" or repetitive songs really it's more that I like listening to the music and not the production. If I was to make an analogy it's a bit like that audiophiles use music to listen to their equipment but not really to the music. So you have to have a song to build the production around but the song/music isn't playing the lead role, hence it's simple.
One could argue that pop songs doesn't even _have_ to be good, as they often are repetitive and repetition legitimizes... Also many pop songs have taken classical compositions and simplified them into pop... (I'll go take cover now :-)
As interesting as the discussion is there is really no reason to argue which is "better", though. Anyone can listen so anything they want and as long as no one is trying to impose their taste in music on someone else all is good.
That said it would be interesting to see similar videos involving other genres as (progressive) metal or jazz, for example, which, IMO, go more hand in hand with classical music. Of course there might no be as much disagreements there as both can be very complex and the skill needed is more on par. It would be interesting to hear what prejudices both sides have though.
I agree with a lot of what you're saying about pop music and the music production. But (and I'm taking the broadest possible definition of pop music here, which is "all music that is neither classical nor folklore") the first thing to say, with needing to hone the ear and listening numerous times to understand it, that's true for a lot of pop music genres as well. It's just easier to "grow accustomed to it" because a) it's everywhere, b) the pieces tend to be shorter, c) there is more awareness of the differences in genre. If I dislike Justin Bieber, I know it's not going to mean that I can't enjoy Queen or the Beatles or Billy Joel or Green Day. There's a lot of awareness that I might enjoy some genres more than others. I feel like with classical music, most people hear one or two pieces, find they're not immediately for them, and then just sort of go "okay, that means I dislike classical music". Or even with opera, because Roomie said he struggles with that type of singing. That's really mostly down to exposure, if he listened to an opera aria every day, chances are he'd feel differently about it in a month, the style wouldn't feel so alienating anymore.
27:10 classical music *does* connect to people.. just not with words or lyrics. (spare opera). there is so much emotion and message in a lot of classical music and it requires a lot of practice to really make it feel right. a lot of people brush classical off because of stereotypes and the need to fit in, so they don't really see that side of it that much.
also with his point that pop artists need a life people can connect to.. UMM... shostakovich ?!! need i say more? classical composers have had some of the worst experiences lol
I saw this comment else where that makes more sense imo. Pop tries to connect in a way where people are already feeling a certain emotion. While Classical music is trying to convey an emotion to the listener instead. Example, if "Say Something - A Great Big World", comes on, majority of people automatically know it's a sad somber song because how immediate everything is in the song. But if Tchaikovsky’s 6th symphony finale comes on, majority of people wont know how sad it actually is. While technically you don't need to "learn" about classical music to enjoy it or understand it, the more you understand classical, the easier it is to enjoy or understand a classical piece. Pop doesn't require you to need to understand or know more about anything to know it's about a certain emotion instantly.
@@spooders i understand your point but there are definitely pieces you could directly relate to... not every piece has a "hidden emotion/meaning" like tchaikosvky 6.
Yeah and 26:20 if this connects people then Liszt is also connected the audience. Like lisztomania
ngl as a person who enjoys both classical music and pop music, every single topic is rly interesting. This is why you guys said grab popcorn. (I didn't tho)
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Yea same, this discussion was really interesting
Lol I ate breakfast while I watched
Yup. Same here. I love both the genres and so, this episode was pretty iNTerEsTinG.
I grabbed a bottle of smoothie
The only way you could make this better is to get a metal musician in here. Those guys are very vocal about their pop opinions lol.
Rather closedminded and ignorantly so, I must admit
@@Checkmate1138 for some people maybe but i feel like a lot of us have at least given it a try and genuinely just don't enjoy it
i don't have anything against people that like it, i just don't personally listen to it
@@Ohokk0 Hey I mean, that's fair too, everybody has different tastes and is allowed to have an opinion, they are valid.
@@Ohokk0 I too am not a big fan of a lot of music out there, which is all right.
@@Checkmate1138 a lot of metal fans do sadly share that opinion, but metal musicians are usually pretty mature in their musical tastes
I feel music is music and is all beautiful. You can love hearing “None but the lonely heart” of Tchaikovsky or “Bohemian Rhapsody “ of Queen…Identify with a song from Imagine Dragons like “Believer” or a musical song like “This is the moment” from Jekyll and Hyde. I love hearing you play the violin and also hearing Peter Hollens sing covers … I think no music is better but is in the “ear” of the beholder lol… depends on your mood.
Also, depends on the opera singer… I love how Placido Domingo sings :). Also, even Pavarotti was open to mixing considering the duet he did with Bryan Adams or James Brown amongst others :). I am not sure if you speak Spanish but if you are open you can also listen to “El triste “ from Jose Jose or songs from Luis Miguel… both of them with very different voices to the typical ones. And good singers , even in pop , need to practice a lot or they destroy their cords and end up having many operations.
As someone who loop plays Satie, Bach or Stravinsky's music, just as much as Imagine Dragons, Linkin Park or random goofy songs like Cotton Eyed Joe, I definitely agree with you. 😊 I never understood the debates and fights that come along with people liking different music genres. Like, your favorite artist or song isn't above everything. It's just YOUR favorite.
But I'd say if given a chance, all music can be interesting. It's super important to keep an open mind and try new things!
I agree 👍🏻😊
Jonas and roomie need to listen to Habanera from Carmen as part of the weekly recommendations. Roomie because he said he didn't really like the operatic stuff and Habanera is one of the most recognizable but also tolerable operatic pieces; Jonas because he said he's never heard anything he could "just groove to".
Jonas: *does it make you feel better than us?*
Jonas really woke up and chose violence
On the talent and practice debate, I'd say on these regards Pop is like science, being moslty about studying and experimenting, Whereas Classical is more akin to sports, where you must hone yourself to the limit
This is such a great point
This is a cool analogy
Stealing this, what an analogy
This need more likes
But I'd say classical musicans not only train themselfs but also have to experiment and study.
I live with a pop musican and I'd have to say they don't work nearly as hard and they are not nearly as disaplined as classical or jazz musicans.
Classical and pop are definitely two artistries in their own right. I get that since this is twosets channel, the audience will obviously skew towards classical but what's up with people snobbing on pop music? Yea good for you if you like classical, I enjoy both classical and pop, but the amount of "urgh people who listen to pop are just dumb and don't know real music" is astounding, anyone who has a genuine appreciation for music should not be gate keeping it.
Just want to thank you for your comment. Seeing how many people look down on others because of their musical tastes is disturbing.
Most of us classical lovers have been made fun of because of the music we like. We know how hard it is to be put down by others, we shouldn't do the same to pop lovers. No one is superior, to each their own.
it goes both ways, there's a lot of people that like to really bash and insult classical wich i just found disrespectfull
however, i love modern music, i only listen to classical like 5% of the time, but i still apreciate both, but at the end of the day everybody has there preferences, we just need to learn to leave alone people that don't like the same thing as us
PD: i'm personally trying to improve the way i react to people that listen and support modern trap/hip-hop/rap/vulgar urban music, because i just hate that new style, i wanna feel emotions, not hear how the singer eat some dick or fuck some girl
This Jonas guy doesn’t even know the argument… only because he doesn’t know anything about classical music. Tunnel vision
I don’t think they can see eye to eye Brett is 8cm shorter than Eddy and Joel n Jonas would be of different heights too
This is what happens if you take it literally 😂 nice joke
Jonas is a lot taller than Joel
nice one
"I feel like Bret is one of the rare people living today who doesn't know who dojo cat is"
Me: Come again? Who the hell is that?
No idea. And I almost certainly don't want to know.
I recognize that name but who actually is that lmao
I only know Bongo Cat
Honestly, as someone who does listen to pop music, I have no idea. I've heard the name, but I wouldn't even have known it was a musical artist or something, I just assume it is from the context in this video. I have no clue who that is.
@@royaljade535 Poor cat :-(
I think the "accusation" of repetitiveness in pop music shouldn't be looked at in the way you did here. As Roomie said, there's the line between catchiness and effectiveness that has to be trod carefully, so I think the repetition isn't so much *within* songs, but *between* songs. There may be some variation musically, but not much because pop music in general has to walk that line in order to be successful, so a lot of songs do feel the same as all the others. In addition, there's the issue of "manufactured pop": songs that follow a formula that has proven popular in the past and can easily be targeted to a specific fan base or demographic. Most pop songs also have very similar lyrical themes, and many song lyrics are written by literally two people who sell those lyrics to artists to be recorded with the artists' melodies. Both of these things can just increase the feeling of repetition and the sense - fair or not, justified or not - of all of it being "manufactured" because even for very talented lyricists, there are only so many different ways to say the same things on the same subject.
I'm gonna go listen to Led Zep's The Lemon Song now.
"Classical music is calming".
The first LP I bought as a boy was The Planets, and I bought it after hearing the first movement: Mars, the Bringer of War. If you can stay calm while listening to that, you should enlist. You'll stay as cool as a cucumber on any battlefield.
To Editor san,
Thank you so much for all the editing and well-chosen BGM, I felt that you were actively participating in the discussion by means of music.
Hope you stay warm and healthy in the basement. :)
I did not know that this collab is the only thing I need to be mentally stable😩🤚
Much better than therapy
@@ConanQT for real thooo!!
@Hamza Mzali continue playingggg!! Just subscribed to you!😉
@@maxpeinzindelvallemoon2152 You do realize he's a desperate spammer infamous to Twoset comments section lol
Everytime, TwoSet records a CZcams video, they are “practicing” connecting. In that way, they are making classical music more POPular. ♥️
23:40 that was probs my favorite statement. I avidly listen to both genres so i am not being biased. but yeah its impressive how pop producers can use so little natural sound and arrange it into something catchy and relatable each time (btw I am not considering rap/rock and roll as pop music here). Likewise, its also impressive how classical music can use so many instruments and make them all sound like they're working towards a certain goal and cause the audience to be overwhelmed in the best way possible.
Brett's attitude towards pop music is sooooo relatable that I even feel comforted somehow 😂😂
That's literally me lmao
And just like Brett you can't own it either, can you? LOL
@@oxoelfoxo guy is too afraid to own it 90% of the world would attack him. the pop song fans gonna be offended
@@beetleorangejuice yeah me and my sad days... wait, now still ;-;
It was so obvious that he really does not want to say something nasty about pop music lol.
Roomie: once you see jimin, you are not straight anymore
Eddy: nods
The jimin effect is very real.
Oh yes very real 😅💜
Thank you for the subtitles😍! This video is gold - love it!
yes i love 2 of my fave chanels collabing and then even having such a good discussion, it's so interesting hearing you talk about all of this~
I’m convinced every genre contains at least one “gateway song” that can attract a new listener. I look for those works when trying to grow as a musician.
What are the gateway songs you would recommend?
@@lalaball_, to those completely unfamiliar with symphonic music, I always recommend “Mars” from “The Planets” by Holst as an introduction. As Brett and Eddy showed in an earlier video, it was among the works used by George Lucas to inspire John Williams in the scoring of Star Wars. For those who think violins are only for classical music, I’ll suggest “You’ll Be In My Heart” from Tarzan. I was one of the members of the string section who played on the Oscar-winning song by Phil Collins. When I was in high school, my first introduction to avant-garde music was “Black Angels” by George Crumb. Check it out. It’s for electric string quartet and will blow your mind!
@@garykuovideos I wouldn’t call Black Angels a gateway piece - surely something like Verklarte Nacht is more accessible, or even Canticles In Memoriam Benjamin Britten, Skempton’s Lento, or In C if we’re thinking of getting folks into 20th century classical? Black Angels is just… so much. Yeah it’s mind blowing, but can just as easily be either terrifying or baffling if you haven’t been prepared for it. It’s not a piece of music that makes much of an attempt to guide a listener in afaict
@@TAP7a, your thoughtful suggestions are worth exploring for sure, but Black Angels was the piece that did it for ME. Its performance by the Concord String Quartet had just the right amount of craziness and brilliance that opened my ears, pried off the lid of my imagination, and inspired me to make my own electric violin. After that, there was no going back!
yeah, i agree -- mine was probably beethoven 9 cause that's what made me love classical music
Eddy always sees brett eye to eye
Like look at his stares
I was gna talk about their height difference but I'm gonna be nice
@Hamza Mzali thanks for supporting my comment again
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i love how eddy stares at Brett. Theres so much love in his eyes it makes me sob
This is so cool. I really enjoy watching this to get into the connection and difference between classical musicians and pop musicians.
This is another excellent vid - great discussion. I appreciate pop more now. The point about culture and connecting is totally legit
Roomie: "Once you see jimin you can't go back. You're not only a pop fan you're not straight anymore"
Eddy: **nods aggressivly**
This, right here, is a quality content i've been subscribing this channel for.
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Joel said he was ace in one of his KPop videos, and his continued acceptance and support of the LGBTQ+ community makes my queer heart happy
@@amedeacatpaw5987 yea same i'm queer too and i feel like i'm getting "appreciated" yk
(srry for my weird grammar and word choices i'm not a native speaker lol but i hope you get what i'm trying to say)
Once you JimIN, you can't JimOut.
I appreciate Roomie's comment but it's an element (visual) of pop music that doesn't exit in classical music. BTS is noted not just for their music but also for their members and dancing / choreography.
Every time someone says that classical music is calming the sheer panic and fear of Shostakovich's 8th quartet starts playing in my head :D
the first movement is pretty chill
@@asloii_1749 I mean... yeah, but it's still dark af right from the beginning. For me personally, the whole thing is pretty darn stress-inducing :D even when the madness calms down a bit after like 12 minutes, the simulated "door knocks" make everything worse. And the major parts in this piece are simply heartwrenching... definitely not a calming piece of music
Appassionata
:D
We did the string orchestra adaptation (Kammersinfonie) a few years back, while the conductor chilled in the audience. Definitely not calming!
I really really love this group together, the entire video was so insightful and it's great to hear them discussing their different views on music together. I hope they either make more videos together or start a podcast! That would be so cool!
Ever have like 10 seconds in a pop song that blows your mind, but the rest of is it meh or you don't like it, and you wish it was just that 10 seconds on repeat?
I'm just saying I prefer the catchiness and repetitiveness sometimes
I'm really glad for it when I find a song like that
It's like eating a meal with the finest ingredients prepared very simply, where you appreciate the quality of the ingredients
Like a baguette that's just water, flour and salt
It's just so good
So simple and for it, SO GOOD
Of course complex can be wonderful - a curry w layers of spices is out of this world
Both are good
This was a such a balanced and respectful debate! Kudos to Brett/Eddy and Roomie/Jonas - these conversations help to build bridges so that everyone can appreciate music of all genres (even if you may objectively prefer one over the other) :)
the pop guy ussed the beatles to excuse cardi b etc .. badf faith
Jonas: where's the classical music that makes you go *intense dancing*
Shostakovich: allow me to introduce myself
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*stravinsky has entered the chat*
Though Stravinsky is often intense, I think there are some other pieces that are better to dance thrashingly to… just can’t think of them now coz busy watching the video!
Vivaldi butting in lol
Im thinking of Tchaikovsky🤣
I found two set violin through roomie and i have learned so much about classical music since February. I look forward to seeing the videos. Great job guys.
Nice to see roomie too miss him alot.
The time listening to this 36 min conversation / debates flew by like nothing. As a person who finds myself literally between these both music worlds, I loved the video concept, topics and different perspectives. Thank you, TwoSet, for always creating AMAZING content. It was also great to see Joel and Jonas after a while!
“pop music is repetitive” - in my opinion, both pop and classical, diverse types of pieces have been produced, not only nowadays but since forever. it’s just that those ‘repetitive’ music gets the spotlight, because it meets the consumers’ needs. it sounds familiar, it follows the popular style, hence majority of people listening to it, making it to the ‘charts’.
lots of pop music is unique and not repetitive
@@asloii_1749 I agree! I think Joel said it at one point that minimalism and repetition in pop music can make it easier for listeners to consume it, but like you said, there are also complex songs that are no doubt being consumed, just by a different type of audience
Pop isn't even a genre, it's just short for "popular music."
@@MyNameIsNeutron It is an ever changing Genre defined by what is popular.
@@chrisb.7787 Could we unpack this a little? Because I'm truly confused about what is "pop". There are certain groups/soloists that are called that, I know. (Though as a primarily classical musician, I don't know much. Never ever play the local radio stations, so I have no idea what my fellow citizens are hearing. Hmm. I should probably adjust.)
But yeah, Joel opened the door to this when he pointed out that a lot of what is currently considered "classical" was at one time "popular." I'd probably throw Mozart's many serenades into that group. Written by a master, but not necessarily intended to stand the test of time.
So what is "pop"? Does it include the Big Bands of the 40's? How about the "crooners" (extremely popular in their time), and what about Elvis, Buddy Holly, Roy Orbison, etc?
Looking for some education here as to what exactly is pop, or if, like the term "classical," there is more than one possible definition.
Brett "saying it's pleasant and tolerable" is MORE OR LESS THE SAME as Roomie saying "I put it in the background".
That was one heck of a long video but watching it was totally worth it!!
I love u guys
This was such a fantastic conversation. I never thought that the creativity of pop is in it’s simplicity.
whoa "anyone can become a world class violinist" that gave me severe whiplash
I think this comment was also very ignorant.
@@haruhisuzumiya68 yes i think so too , he basically discredited the ridiculous amounts of time , effort , dedication and sacrifice that musicians put into honing their craft. and that doesn’t even pay off sometimes bc not everyone succeeds career-wise
@@andrea-hg4zz totally agree with you!
it was brought up so casually that once i registered what he said, it was like a slap to the face haha. up until that point, i’d just been using their discussion as background noise.
well anyone can, you just have to try hard and practice
I love Roomie's "AGH" laugh
dog bark LMAO
I loved this video, it was almost podcast style and I felt like you guys felt open minded and free to express your opinions without judgement. nice to see Joel and Jonas talking about music in this way too, really awesome. hope you guys do another video like this again :)
This turned out far more interesting than I had anticipated! Also very cool!
The thing I love about classical music is when you listen to a piece you can create the story yourself but with a pop song you are only experiencing the story that the artist is singing. I really love the flexibility on emotions you feel when listening to classical music and the complexity of it.
When composers write music telling a story and capturing the essence of world events or personal events wouldn't that be connecting?
Brett is the type of person who is enjoys pop music, but he doesn’t actively search for it.
Hmm, I don't think "not being offended by it" is equal to enjoying it. :D
@@oxoelfoxo He did say he enjoyed it though, didn’t he?
@@carcinogenicbyte7107 nah if he would enjoy it he would listen to it. No need to whitewash stuff.
Shostakovich is my absolute favourite composer and I find it fascinating how people say 'classical music thats the opposite of relaxing' and immediately think of him lol
It's so cool seeing the classical guys play nice with the pop guys and vice-versa. Loved the insight from both sides
Make a top 10 classical music pieces to Jam/Mosh to, and then have Joel's team Tier it
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Yes, this needs to happen!
Yes!
Yesssss
I need this so much!
Roomie was a legend for giving us THAT picture of them
time stamp??
@@entahlahapakah4481 I think they're referring to the last collab where Roomie got them to post 'thirst selfies' of themself on Twitter (though I may be wrong)
@@your9thsymphony17 yup!!
@@your9thsymphony17 ohh ok thank you for the explanation :D
@@entahlahapakah4481 you’re welcome :P
It would be awesome to see you guys have a similar talk with a jazz musician. This format of a video is great !
I love this so much ! ! ! I hope that you do a part two cause your conversations were very interesting
Now, classical musicians with jazz musicians, then classical musicians with metal musicians! Can’t wait for them to talk with Adam Neely and Jared Dines
same! The last time they reviewed metal: "Hurr durr metal goes bonk bonk with 0 melodic musical expression". They have no idea how much diversity the metal genre has along with how many subgenres it has. They should check out dream theater for a start.
Jazz though is acceptable by them
@@GammaFZ yes! And Gojira, Hara-Kiri For The Sky, Rivers Of Nihil, Children Of Bodom, Megadeth, Pantera, Alluvial, Code Orange, Mushroomhead, Yngwie, System Of A Down, Three Days Grace, Avenged Sevenfold, Burzum, Meshuggah, Sepultura, Motionless In White, Opeth, Nightwish, Trivium, Jinjer, Rise Against, Ghost, Periphery, Rings Of Saturn, Nevermore, Tool, Bullet For My Valentine, Rage Against The Machine, Korn… I feel like they could definitely love Ne Obliviscaris!
Twoset: "classical music has such a wide variety unlike pop music"
Joel: *eyes glows red* so you have chosen death
I love how this fun channel grew where you got to carry and idea of new gen should know this because its awesome but also got to meet people you really respect and build a name just because of passion for your music and because you guys are genuinely funny.
It seemed to me that all of you on the video held back just out of basic courtesy but still very enjoyable. I wish there was a second round of this debate. I think it would be nice to have a bigger representation of each genre - like Jonas and Roomie mentioned pop music is not about the artist alone in which case I think classical is harder but it would be interesting to hear what music producers, or cover band members or very famous classical musicians have to say.
I love how eddy and Roomie, out of nowhere, just start talking about Jimin!