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- Is your new home built properly?? This video shows you why it is so important to have you home inspected by a Certified Home Inspector while it's being built to find issues like these before they become a problem in the future for you.
I remember 25 years ago friend was getting his home built and hired a home inspector. He found so many issues the builder eventually refused to work with him.
Quite interesting bathtub supports. The tubs used to come / shipped with contoured Styrofoam for under support & proper slope. Did someone throw away that? Probably before helping with joist hangers!
I've made my share of ignorant mistakes, but the OSB tub wall and the upside down joist hangers require a special type of ignorance.
+Pat McBride
Same! :P
+Pat McBride Was that an honest mistake or is somebody trying to save money by not using more expensive cement board? Waferboard is only acceptable for dog houses and the temporary lunch table on top of saw horses. If your going to do it then do it right. Use 3/4" CDX for all sheathing needs. I have to wonder if the upside down hangers were put on on the ground and they installed the joists the wrong side up. if they actually installed them in place upside down, then they aren't qualified to operate a hammer.
+epistte It's OSB not Waferboard, and it's perfectly acceptable for sheathing. Anyone that works in the field knows that CDX just plain sucks. It's never square, it's always twisted and warped, it delaminates even when kept dry, and it's expensive as hell. Why would you use 3/4" for wall sheathing?? That's ridiculous overkill, not to mention all your doors and windows will need custom extension jambs. As far as tile backer goes, you can't beat Kirdiboard. Yea it's $100+ per sheet, but it saves so much time and labor. Durock is not waterproof, it's heavy as hell, and it sucks to cut.
+Pat McBride absolutely....if they're getting the joist hangers set wrong...what does they say about the flooring being "level" especially between rooms....I'd be more concerned over the plumb of the house.
I have called out for hangers to be installed upside down, or inverted. Typicality it is in cases with a long cantilever, and the inverted hanger is used to overcome uplift. While I doubt that's why it was done here, it is something that can be done.
The hardest problem is finding a good contractor and an honest inspector like yourself
Thanks you so much
+Tom Munro, CHI
I agree with Skeeter!
I love people who are honest, and who take the time to think things through. :)
honest inspectors thats a stretch think about this if you are a real estate agent and you get a home you are selling inspected and its not a good inspection and the sale falls through are you gonna hire that guy again mmmm so how do inspectors keep working in the same town year after year does every house pass or what
And never go with the inspector recommended by the realtor selling the house.
Same exact thing with appraisers. The real estate agent tells them what it need to appraise for, and they just cherry pick comps to line up. Appraisers that don't play along - surprise, surprise, they don't get called next time.
Great inspection, nice to see a guy that knows what he is looking at. Most of those cheap tubs come with that particle board under it, but that one board holding it up is ridiculous. Hacky stuff. By the way one gallon of water weighs 8.33 lbs
Canadians officially used Imperial units and an Imperial gallon of water is 10lbs. Surprised this young fellow stated gallons because Canada phased that unit out in the mid-1970s.
@@optophobe - Even though officially on the metric system, we still talk in gallons and pounds and feet about a lot of things.
As a first time homeowner at 28 I want to thank you for your quality inspections. You are great.
You're very welcome Adam Czajka, I hope you found a great home.
great vid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've always dreamed of a particle board finish in my shower though lol
The pinnacle of flammable, economical luxury.
the hangers upside down. I laughed out loud tom
enginemodify I did too just as he was going to tap it!!!
I figured out what they did! They assembled the joists in the house like a wall section and as he said a less experienced guy put it on the wall just upside down as I'd bet the bottom is nice and flush with the edge of the 2x10! I'm sure the boss was a bit upset!
Sadly I did to +enginemodify, it's truly ridiculous the things I see on a daily basis. Check out my new youtube channel The Home Inspector where I'm going to try to educate everyone about their homes. Please feel free to comment on those videos too. czcams.com/channels/_oQ6vAc_Mku_G5li4eUjAA.html
+enginemodify i kringed , having found that and correcting another's mistake x 10.
Nail holes will not re- line up --ive also seen hangers with too large of a gap space when they first came out...
I know nothing of buildings, but the moment he said hangers, i looked closer and giggled... How can anyone make a mistake like that, without thinking about the meaning of the word and wonder..
there is a gravity anomaly over there so it needs to be upside down.
Thank goodness for the honest inspectors who keep the builders from ripping off the customers with their shoddy, shocking third grade dangerous construction practices that could cost a family their lives. Keep it up Mr Inspector and take these thieves to task.
Who the hell puts joist hangers upside down? There's a picture on the box!
OMG....who the hell would even need a picture?!? This world Crazy or stupid, I guess both....
Nathaniel Mathies sometimes you put them upside down in purpose when the joist are cantilevered
Nathaniel Mathies if there put on upside down doesn't it become a hurricane strap then. the guy was plannin ahead!
Nathaniel Mathies Someone who just built a deck with a cantilievered overhang... lol that's pretty standard when the joists need to withstand a down force when cantilievered past the bearing point enough. the rim joists on the sides are usually psl or triple 2x beams that are offset and carriage bolted into interior deck framing.
Jordan Bergmann, why would you want to build beyond the safe bearing limit? Math is important so people don't get hurt or die, so if the overhang is only allowed by code or engineering equations to be, say, 3', why would you want to build it to 5' and not be safe, just assume some upside-down joist hangers are going to support your laziness? I am not a professional, I do know some stuff though, and it seems to me that if you use a 2x4 for a rafter, or sheetrock for subfloor, that things aren't going to go the way you hope they might. I say not to use upside-down joist hangers, Simpson makes other "strong-tie" models for specific applications, but I feel even with that in mind, I wouldn't build anything past the safe load rating. Just saying.
Is this guy Canadian? He's in construction and he is polite. Has to be Canadian.
Thank you TruckerPhilosophy. I am Canadian. Check out my new channel...
+haligan125 There's two types of countries, those that use the metric system and those that have been to the moon. :)
Good day mate.
chris b its bull shit how they teach, screwed me up with metric. My blueprints are all 1/8 scale and we use ft and inches on plumbing
TruckerPhilosophy and we got to the moon using metric.
HEY!?! ...I'm in construction...goddamn it...
Upside down hangers are priceless
We found issues in our 50+ year old home when renovating that were astounding. We found sub-standard pipes in some of the plumbing, stairs that lacked the proper pine or oak stair steps (underneath carpet, so it was hidden from us for years!)- it had only a single layer of cheap pine leftover boards for each stair step, caused horrible squeaking. Also, shoddy light-switch work in the kitchen, substandard pan in the bottom of the custom size shower, and walls that (perhaps from age, not construction) are warped and not quite straight or cornered neatly. Oh, and why anyone ever buys the cheap almost-hollow bedroom doors for their house is beyond me. But now our house is looking really nice :) All that comes from doing things right and fixing them up to code. Including our stair railing. ***Most of these issues wouldn't have ever been a problem if someone had supervised the house being built.
Thanks for all your comments gentlemen. This video is to educate people about what's going on behind the tiles, tub , sundeck surface etc. that the builder cut corners on to save a buck.
The OSB used at a tile backer will deteriorate quickly if moisture gets to it and OSB doesn't have the same horizontal strength as plywood to hold up a heavy tub.
If you have a different opinion then I know a house for you to buy...
I am a licensed home inspector. I'm from Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada where there are regulations for home inspectors.
Tom Munro, CHI cheap home depot CRAP
Tom Munro, CHI Interesting to see what "licensed home inspectors" do, in Canada. I understand fully the system, the logic. But, I live in Belgium. I'm licensed architect, in Belgium. Licensed or not home inspectors, do not exist in Belgium, because it's illegal to erect building (big & small, no exceptions) without full official contracted support from an architect, in all phases. From preproject design, up to control assistance at last delivery of works. In other words, we're "continuous" legal and obligatory building inspectors in line with what we design and prescribe ourselves. That's a story from another little corner of the world.
B.t.w. apart from all the obvious failures you showed (All are 100% correct pointed out), my general impression on the timber, although I believe it's perfectly fit to (minimum) private home CLS rules, it's creepy FLIMSY, to my construction standards. Since Eurocode 5 EN 1995 became ruling in Europe for timber construction, I would hold my heart, seeing how flimsy this Canedian house is made....
Cheers
+Leavemyname Outofthis I had not seen this reply with questions until today. So, here some answers.
Creepy flimsy, would be the actual stud work in the first place. (OSB at the other hand has not much relation to being flimsy, as were talking about stability, unless, the OSB is applied as calculated tension structural work together with the studs which means intensive thin nailing density OR glueing)
Stability in all conditions, also after 30 minutes of fire, which is fully included in EUROCODE 5, and applies to all EC countries, and it is including minimum heat insulation norms which differ from EC country to EC country.
EUROCODE is the set regulation of minimum stability calcalation norms. EUROCODE 5 represents Wood construction. (Others are brickwork, concrete, steel etc etc)
Also bend-allowances for medium-large span floors had been reduced from 1/300 to 1/500 with Eurocode 5. (1/300 still allowed in typical short span domestic floors, like under 4 meters wide)
If I understand well, in USA still 1/250 is allowed... Everyone knows that makes a huge difference in wood sections indeed.
etc etc
There are so many things around this example seeming very flimsy (and nevertheless probably legal)
When it comes to outer walls, in view of insulation norms, 140 mm sized + rockwool inbetween studs will even FAIL to get at our minimal norms anno 2015. I can get that right with theoretical 150 mm (= at the legal limit as we must consider all linear leaks in calculation = at all wood members, and more at corners) , and as we tend to do better than legal minimum, our actual sizing is (common wood sizes here) 173x32 or 225 x 36. With the latter, I'm able to get at the 2022 insulation goal LIMIT, which is granted by tax reduction.
Greets
do you have marine ply over there?
+Tom Munro, CHI I think I can go one better on you . . . I live in an older home (1920's) and had a problem with one of my outlets that started popping the breaker. Disconnected the outlet, breaker still popped. Trace the wires to pull them out, found where they were run through some old armored cables.Attached to the wall studs.With nails.Straight THROUGH the cable.Needless to say, no longer the case . . .
It's sad that there are people who actually want to argue with you about the video and your job.
Keep up the good work and don't be bothered by the trolls.
Thanks very much, check out The Home Inspector channel on FB.
very informative. You guys really don't get paid enough for the work you do. Wish I would've hired an inspector before I bought my apartment.
Absolutely agree with independent building certification. When I built my house, I was on site everyday to check on progress- this paid off as we prevented a lazy builder installing a corrogated iron roof with holes in it already. After some stern arguments including a complaint to the builders registration board, we got it fixed properly
One reason builders resist doing things properly is they bd the job counting on doing shoddy work and using materials not correct under codes. they think they can get buy with this crap--and many do---until hiring a reliable inspector! They are definitely worth the money.
@@robertwatson818 Yes, My experience with the scam artists drove me to learn how to build and do electrical and plumbing. I may be slower,but my workmanship is far better than these rip off contractors.
@@diyoregonnowtexas9202 My old man had a friend who was contractor. One day he was out with the contractor at a job site. Ricky Redneck drove up and said he was looking for work as a carpenter. Odd request because at that time the building business was booming and framers were especially in demand. he was asked what he could o. His reply was--"I can do it all bro--top to bottom? Okay--go get the circular saw out of my truck right there and build me some saw horses out of that scapulas lumber over there. An hour later the guy had a pile of pieces---but no saw horses! LOL! He thought he could BS his way onto a crew and learn as he went. There are large numbers of Ricky Rednecks here. Each one knows a "little" about certain jobs---but only at a very basic level. They want top dollar but can only perform at minimum wage skill level.
The carpenters and plumbers should be embarrassed.
Trust me they're not. Im in the drywall business and see horrendous workmanship all the time. I have 3 builders i do work for that actually are above and beyond all other builders ive ever done work for and are proud to work there because i know the final product is solid.
keith cunningham Lol you are going to tell the inspector the home owner hired to get off their property?
keith cunningham I'm not sure what my comment has to do with labor at all or if you are just trying to insult me but I can assure you I am a laborer right now for my fathers plumbing business. Started when I was 16 in the summers graduated high school last year and have been working ever since. There have been plenty of hard days like digging a underground in gravel (shovels dont work well with big rocks) or moving 8" cast iron all day but I'm learning and putting in the work.
You dont need supports under a tub, its supported but the back and front framing.
@@DC-jl7ps Looks like a fiberglass tub; the crack all the time. I'd want a mortar bed under the flat area.
at 1:28 the "OSB" under the tub is installed by the manufacturer of the tub..... not installed by the builder....while the small plywood braces are wrong. that whole tub should have been mounted on the floor with a ledger 2x4 along the back. most tubs come with braces already mounted..... i wonder where these ones went.
I subscribed, because not only is this guy knowledgeable, he is also polite, and in construction at the same time; huge paradox right there.
The plywood under the tub came with the fiberglass tub. It is intended to be either set in a sand mix fully supported or set directly on the floor. The mistake was in the method of support. Regarding the surround, it makes little difference what wall substrate is placed behind the tub, as that tub is clearly made for a solid surround which will be water impermeable when installed. There isn't going to be any tile. Some of the other catches were pretty good, although obviously the upside down hangers were pre-hung on the ledger and the ledger was simply placed upside down by some low-wage noob.
OSB in the bathroom is never a good idea. OSB swells just from being damp. Also OSB needs to be covered by a fire resistant material like gypsum board. A fiberglass or PVC tub surround is not fire resistant.
As someone who does 80% repair/renovation work, I agree 100%, OSB needs to be kept away from moisture period,
Reminds me of something my parents had. They had a new house built 11 years ago but the builder poured a slab that was too thin for the build, resulting in differential settling on a masonry blocs home (this is in Belgium, so wooden houses aren't common here). Cracks are still occurring to this day because they didn't do their job properly.
It's even more important to get everything right in the United States because one mistake on vapor handling and the whole house can be torn down on account of the wet rot.
Holy cow, if this were my house I'd have the entire thing condemned! Just think of all the other stuff that's wrong with it that you can't see.
I am so glad to see this because I have seen so much of this stuff just being ignored in my many years as a subcontractor. It is just so great that you actually got down to look under the tub. I have never seen a county building inspector do that and I have had to speak up many times because crap like that was being over looked. Like some of the other viewers mentioned, I almost fell out of my chair when i saw the joist hangers upside down.
+Stuckneutral
Thank you for your effort in improving the quality of other's lives. It really DOES matter, and it puts a smile on everyone's face too! What's not to like?! :P
You are the reason I had my new home inspected. Guess what? It had problems. Thanks, man. Keep them honest.
The biggest thing I see is missing insulation and HVAC duct work that gets compressed or has a tight turn. The weirdest thing I have seen is no scuttle to the attic. I am going to start saving these examples and put them in a video on why to get your new home inspected. Great job.
What is a "scuttle"?
You can clearly see at 0:43 secs a metal strap coming up through the floor nailed to the Osb plywood. The Osb is not there for a tile backer but rather for the engineering of the house. It's called a shear wall. That's why the Osb is on the one side only. Behind that Osb is a stud pack for a point load, most likely a girder truss.
lmao. that first bathroom. and those joist hangers. thanks for the video. always interested in learning.
thanks tom, you are so correct that inspection is needed.
Tom Munro, CHI, That OSB wall in the bathroom is what is called a shear wall. I could see its next to a stairwell which if you looked the wall below it was likely sheared also. Know how I can tell just from a short video? All the joints of the ply were blocked and nailed. Also, see that lip around the tub just below the flange? That is for durarock or some other form of substrate for tile. After you failed the first look I couldn't watch anymore of your video. You fail as a home inspector since you do not know how to build a house.
I wouldnt have stepped into that building from the start seeing the hanger upside down.
+Raton Colorado You just don't know any better.
+Raton Colorado Holy crap, no kidding. I'm pretty sure a toddler would be able to tell you which way those go!
+Randy That's what I said, but I gave the benefit of doubt and thought about a 8 year old mind can figure that out,
+me I actually showed this video to a few toddlers, and they had a lengthy discussion afterwards with some very good points supporting your assertion. Actually, that didn't happen, except for one toddler I spoke to, he said he used a senco Palm nailer, 50' flexeel poly hose, 6gal. bostitch pancake compressor, with hot-dipped galvanized N8dhdg nails. But most just cried and shit themselves.
I realize that you uploaded this vid years ago, however I like it and you come across very well, very professional...
I have NEVER seen joist hangers installed upside down. That was priceless.
don't know if it's written in the comments yet but that osb under the tub is actually manufactured by the tub producer. All tubs that I have installed come with OSB on the bottom that is factory glued to bottom of tub. But i do set my tubs in Masonry cement.
Almost all firberglass tubs come with that plywood on the bottom. This inspector, like many, thinks he's done it all and seen it all. But he's really just an egg head who deals with too many shit brains and loses track of reality.
Same thing happens to police officers.
osb under the tub is factory you can see the fiber glass over spray actually on the osb. and also the osb glue is far different than years past could very well be water proof and note the the tubs still have the tile flange showing meaning they haven't installed the water proof membrane yet plywood backers and extra sheet rock are great at stopping sounds from traveling. but the j
joist hangers lmao really !!
I have not ever seen a fiberglass tub with wood glued to it, that is just calling for water soak and rot.
mark hilken There is no reason you cant use OSB on the walls if its covered in greenboard. (drywall for wet walls.)
Our tub sits directly on the floor joist. The manufacturer actually states that this is how they want it installed. I love it. Was so easy to mount and don't have to worry about osb below the tub and didn't have to cut a hole in the floor.
my dad works for toll brothers as an inspector and from seeing 100's of houses all of this is pretty common stuff to see... I love it when the hvac guys use a chain saw to cut in the holes for the duct's! they cut through a lot more than the floor hahaha
Never seen a tub supported like that. That one really got me. But then the upside down hangers! My goodness.
plywood walls in a bathroom.............fail.
+wazza33racer absolutely!
it could have been a shear panel?? and if it was they installed that wrong also going by cali. codes
+wazza33racer OSB not Plywood. They should have used Aqua Board of Cement Board.
+wazza33racer not if it's kerdi or redgarded
+wazza33racer oriented strand board is not plywood, neither is acceptable for bathrooom backing. Constant moisture in woood can become a growth medium for dangerous molds!
the inspector explains that it's not recommended to install osb on bathroom wall,what he didn't noticed was why it was installed in the first place. Just by looking at his video I noticed the osb was all the way behind tub and that black shower valve locator is sticking out about 1/2" which only means the framers were short on that wall by 1/2". Bathroom wall should have a measurement of 5 ft. and not 60 1/2" .That's the reason. By the way all they had to do was add strips of 1/2" plywood on the studs.And to add that you need a ledger board of 1x3 behind tub. Just read the instructions for tub installation. What do I know I've been doing renovation for only 40 yrs. lol
Osb and drywall,has nothing to do with the water proofing that is going to be installed next,
Joists hangers most certainly have been installed in that manner depending on the can't lever and the amount of load on on the ends of the joists such as a roof load .
Didn't learn a lot here .
Under the tub platform that was installed from the tub manufacturer the installer is supposed to put a big pile of mortar mix or plaster Paris to stop deflection when you step in .
I laughed when you first showed the hangers. That's some funny stuff!
0:04 WOW that really is a unique inspection, “a house that's actually been built from the ground up”. Most homes are actually built from the roof down.
+Lenny F Well, some of the contractor's I've worked for in the past seemed to like to do things ass backwards, lol.
+Lenny F I too thought is was funny calling it a "unique inspection"I did see a house ( just once) built from the roof down, the builders built the roof, when complete they put floors down and walls up in a day then a crane came in put the completed roof on, it rained the next day but the house interior never saw a drop, all the other houses being built around have wet expanding OSB, so from the roof down though ass backwards may be a better way to build.just an observation.
+Terry B Even though the roof may have been pre-assembled, the house was still built from the foundation up. To build a house from the roof down, you would have to suspend the roof from a skyhook and then build the walls and the foundation last.
+Lenny F True enough but now your just being picky, LOL
Actually, can show you 1. it's in central Florida 👎
Dude I'm not a construction worker and as soon as I saw those joist hangers I knew they were upside down. Come get some Catspit~!
CatspitProductions I didn't even know what they're called but I could tell they were upside down
I think anyone who knows about gravity should know they were upside down.
Love your screen print videos get some
That's because you, and I have common sense. Whoever did that, has NO common sense. They're idiots.
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as a renovation and addition contractor/ laborer, plumber/electrician and state certified natural gas operator, inspections on each stage of home construction is a must! I can't tell you how many bids I've made that included the correction of construction failures from the beginning of the home or living space.
I worked in remodeling homes for five years. I learned a lot and the biggest thing is, always expect something wasn't done right before. It is sad the things I would see when I would tear off tile or wood paneling to remodel a room. People just don't care when they get their money. You have to really watch what people are doing and do your research people. My old boss would have me do a lot of things that I knew wouldn't last towards the end. I eventually walked away. When he got into flipping homes with investor, that turned into a "half-ass" nightmare. It just made things more difficult and eventually you will have to go back and fix it, if it fails.. These contractors expect employees to fix the bosses corner cuts and not get paid overtime or reimbursed for travel expenses. This was a good video that shows what is going on behind the scenes of these houses being remodeled or built in a month.
The upside down hanger would be correct in a cantilevered joist application. It holds against uplift
I totally agree Austin verbeek the superintendent was extremely embarrassed when I showed him.
I have seen all kinds of horror things done in new building construction. Had to repair a lot of things as well. Every thing from foreign workers being too lazy to go outside during construction to use a porta potty so they use a pail with a store bag in it as a liner then stuff the bags inside walls and cover with insulation. I have seen wall studs cut 98% through the stud because the studs were bowed and drywallers didn't want to cover them like that so they cut through the studs (yes I am serious there was less than 1/8" of stud left uncut in the entire wall). I have seen rooms framed out with no doorways framed into any walls (yes just like on the TV commercials).. Drywallers store drywall outside even during a downpour of rain. They then proceeded to walk through mud to pick up the drywall and actually used some sheets to stand on (which they later installed while covered in mud, muddy foot prints and soaking wet from the rain). Some subcontractors are incredibly unethical so ask around before you hire and find an honest and reputable contractor/subcontractor if renovating or building new.
So I totally agree with the video.... GET A HOME INSPECTION and make sure the inspector KNOWS what to look for and what he is doing.
I looked away from my monitor for a moment....when I started watching again at 3:12 I was wondering why you were laying on your back looking upwards. Then, I realized the hangers were upside down!!! LOL
Way to go Tom you are keeping them Honest...Keep up the good work
holy crap the hanger part was just....wow
No doubt, that has Meth written all over it.LOFL
Maybe it's an install for a family of geckos.
more like white people
You should see these $300,000+ condos I helped build. All hangers put upside down. holes in your brand new two store floors.
He's right I've worked restoration and those bathrooms would have to be gutted with that chip board
it's 12:30am here... those upside down joist hangers made me wake the neighbors from laughing so hard...
Ryan H, I wake awake having nightmares about what ii'll find tomorrow. Check out my instagram page @Munro_home_inspections for a daily laugh.
Ahahaha. OSB for the shower wall was something, but that tub seating on some plywood boards just killed me
At 2:16 the drywall on OSB is most likely used as a fire stop between 2 units (duplex) and is not a uncommon building practice.
On top of it will go another layer that the tile will be applied to. Often aqua board is used BUT it is still comprised of gypsum so it is still not a ideal product but is acceptable. I prefer to use "backer board". It has a good water proof surface and you can apply tile easily. Cement board is also a fantastic product to use in showers. I have been in the drywall trade for 28 years.
Good video, and it is amazing to see mistakes that should never happen.
That OSB around tub, and also that sheetrock can be covered with Shluter Kerdi or Ditra membrane. No waterproofing issues at that point
you cant put schluter on osb! you cant put thinset on osb. if it was plywood it would have been better. if it was kerdi board it would have been great
Not sure about OSB, but I have my sheetrockers do the entire shower. I do big showers too. I tape and plastic it off before texture. I install the Shluter system. Its HANDS down the best product out there. Perfectly square corners and 100% waterproof.
hahahaha the joist hangers on upside down was a riot!
Good work. We need more building inspectors like this.
This is exactly why I bought a manufactured home. There’s absolutely no Quality Controlled on most of these stick build sites. The fastest builder makes the most money not the best builder.
Nice, Tom! Inspections during construction are imperative, and sadly rare and shallow in most places.
Agreed
They installed the joist hangers upside down? WTF?
I'm a complete amateur and even I wouldn't make that mistake. What is holding those joists up??
On the side of the hangers there are pieces of metal sticking sideways towards the wood that you hit with a hammer to make them go into the joist, and it looks like they might have blasted a couple screws in before they put the hanger on ( 3:21 ).
Jim Leonard nails... lol the same way joists have been held up for a hundred years before joist hangers became standard. Either just sufficient face and toe nailing or a 2x4 ribbon let-in for joists to sit on like balloon framing.
Tom, I can appreciate you as an intelligent person who at least knows what they are talking about, after building my home and renovating 3 others I have to tell you why people have a hard time with most inspectors (I am not really telling you as I suspect you already know, but first time home builders like I was). First off, most of the inspectors I met seemed about as knowledgeable as me... if I was lucky, secondly, to get an inspector to keep an appointment was one of the greatest exercises in futility I have ever attempted. Now, with the advent of CZcams, if you are a first time home builder or generally lack the skills.... watch CZcams videos and PAY ATTENTION. Chances are if you live in the city, you need to have a building inspector from the city come out.... but if you made the appointment and they don't show, don't be surprised, and if on a time crunch (which most are) keep working. If the inspector does show up, be polite, if they get rude show them the appointment you set up, where they flaked, and if that doesn't work, bury them next to the foundation....
LOL that ending...
Sir very nice job, love how you take you job to Heart and your the voice for the new Homeowner..
The OSB on the tub valve wall is most likely a shear wall required by the engineer and will be covered with moister resistant sheetrock or cement tile backer (if in fact tile will be installed). You can see that the bathroom was framed 1/2 inch over-sized to accommodate for the OSB. You had the same situation with the other tub, OSB (most likely a shear wall) covered by sheetrock, although the sheetrock was the wrong type as you said. Almost all fiberglass bathtubs and showers are manufactured with an OSB base/frame, and have been for at least the past 20 years.
Then the shear wall should be on the other side of the wall.
Hire a good builder and pay him/her a just price and you'll get a good job. Too many people out there these days that want the best for the cheapest. It doesn't work that way folks.
I was a super for 7 yrs. 350k-500k new homes. I would never have anything like that pass. You called everything exactly what it was!!!
When I saw the upside-down joist hangers, I thought 'seriously?!' -- then I remembered that video of the guy using a jack-hammer 'manually' to bang concrete off a wall LOL.
I mean, sure, it's the kind of thing a person might not know, but someone with experience HAD to be onsite right?!
Take a shot everytime he says actually! 😃
Speaking as a retired union carpenter with Class A Builders License. This house builder should loose his license, that is if he ever had one. I've worked most industrial and commercial buildings, here inspectors are on the job full time. But house builders hire mostly unskilled labor. Their Bottom Line is to save Money at the owners expense. Like you said " The owner will save money and future problems in the long run, If he/she hires a full time licensed inspector". One who has no ties with the builder. Respectfully submitted.
I watched my home being built it was nothing but arguments the builder kept cutting corners and he ended up doing completely the opposite of what he said before contract was signed , envy homes was my builder and I ended up paying him in full and firing him just to be done with him. we talked to references but of course it was people he gave us numbers for. after paying him in full 3 months later we got a lien put on the house from one of his suppliers that he did not pay
kenneth moore The majority small time home builders are all alike. They use unskilled workers, unapproved material. Even in some cases improper electric wiring that could burn down your home. Improper plumbing, failure to vent soil pipes, this could cause a poison methane gas buildup in ones home. I've seen every costly short cut known in the business. Some cased the home had to be closed by the city building inspector. Tagged unsafe for human hebetation. Rule #1 never hire any unlicensed tradesman and make sure the contractor carries workmen compensation for all his workers. If any worker is hurt on the job without Workman's Compensation insurance. The homeowner is totally responsible for all medical bills. Including out of work compensation and legal fees. What happen to you, is the same thing that happen to my sister-in-law who lives in Vermont. Next time you hire another building contractor have your attorney draw up the contract for your own interest . Wishing you all the best!
"loose" the license? what, is it too tight?
Great video. My first new-build home had 0 roof vents. Builder had to add them 2 months after I moved in, in June. We were baking !!!!!
Absolutely love the upside down joist hangers
lol, I set about 20 of those hangers like that before I realized. fixing it was a son of a butch.
I'd just started and had no experience. If anyone was stupid, it was my journeyman who never explained it.
but you do understand how gravity works? ...why would you blame your "journeyman?"
It aint stupid making a mistake its stupid notlearning from it or not correcting it
Seems to me that getting his services would be money well spent!
Excellent video Tom. Thank you.
The upside down hangers made me laugh
No offence but you should really get up-to-date on tiling and waterproofing, check out Schlueter's website. OSB plywood is a perfectly acceptable substrate because you're supposed to waterproof in behind it, meaning that no water will ever permeate to the substrate itself. I really hope you're not approving any tile that doesn't have waterproofing behind it!!
No offence Danny M but, if you think OSB is acceptable that's your opinion. Where I come from we call it a sponge for moisture. It really depends on where you use the stuff. I'm in Vancouver, BC where moisture in wall cavities is a serious concern.
+Tom Munro, CHI why would water get into the walls? I don't think you understand what I mean, the waterproof membrane goes "over top" of the OSB keeping it perfectly dry. If you build to Schlueter's codes they will pay for a tear out and reinstallation if it fails. So actually that's their opinion my opinion would be to use green board or cement board in case somebody cuts through the membrane in the future removing grout or something. At Schlueter's headquarters in Toronto they have a little cardboard box with their membrane adhered to the inside they continue filling it with water in the box has never been wet in over five years of having water in it 24/7
OSB is not acceptable where I'm from
+Pat John I'm assuming you're talking installing tile directly over top of OSB? Are you talking about installing a waterproof membrane or no?
+Fox Wright drywall and pine studs? What the hell are you talking about? If you'd like to respond with some sort of substance maybe you could explain your first comment.
Home inspections on older finished houses is a waste of money. Page after page of disclaimers and no 2 inspectors find the same problems. I kept the inspection report from when we bought our first house 9 years ago. Then when we sold it, the "issues" the inspector pointed out were different, he missed a few major things and he basically got paid to say its OK when in fact it needed more work than he told them.
Inspecting a new house this way is the ONLY way it is worth anything, although a building inspector should have caught most of those mistakes before allowing it to be closed up. It's a terribly unregulated industry, anyone with a ladder and a clipboard can become a home inspector.
Thanks for your comments William but, clearly you hired the wrong home inspectors.
The questions that you should ask before hiring a Home Inspector are: how long will the inspection take (it's not a race) do you have a ladder (most inspectors don't get on the roof, I Do) do you use infrared technology (they all should do the can look past just the drywall) will you get in the attic and crawl spaces, and will you evaluate the electrical, plumbing, heating, ventilation, smoke detectors, and all aspects of the home? Will you take pictures so I know you inspected everything (with a picture you know they were on the roof, in the crawl space, opened the electrical panel etc?
Lastly will you review the report with me and answer all my questions I have?
Thanks again William for the comments but my clients get all the information they are looking for before they purchase and home and it's consistently ALL the issues located in the home.
I should have stated I am in Canada, the industry is highly unregulated here. Contractors are also highly unregulated here. I did not mean to imply that you were not a pro, and if I offended it was not meant to.
If you ask me, the biggest problem is when you buy old houses, you are practically guaranteed to have major hidden issues. Just bought a 130yr old house and did our own inspection. Roof was known bad, but there were hidden issues, no way an inspector would have found since they were behind walls and ceilings. I expected this and negotiated properly.
Home "inspectors" are killing the industry. You can't hardly make a buck anymore because of these leeches. You are not an engineer because you took a three day course. I've built 70 houses and 100 or so remodels. I'm not a novice. Y'all are.
Already brought it up to code myself and much work over the years. Already doubled our 50k down payment in equity.
It's my labor, it's free since it's my house. I'm extremely handy and I have friends with the proper licenses to inspect and pull permits. I just don't mind getting my hands dirty like 99.i9999999999% of the world.
Glad to see it's not just here in the UK then. I've only ever bought one new build house & that's a mistake I won't make again.
Great videos . What trade is your specialty before becoming an inspector. And how many years of construction have been in
In Canada we use the metric system and something called an imperial gallon as a unit of measurement. An imperial gallon does weight approximately 10 pounds. Here's proof and a definition for you.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon
Tom Munro, CHI It was even a volume derived FROM 10 lbs of water, defined by 10 lbs of water in the first place, not the other way around....
It's astonishhing how many ignorant and blindfolded reaktions there are in this tread. It probably reflects the average stupidity of mankind? :-)
Tom Munro, CHI Everyone in the WORLD uses the metric system EXCEPT for the 3 technically advanced & forward thinking nations of Myanmar (Burma), Liberia, and USA.
***** Um,,,,,sorry, ......who has conquered the world ? are you saying that the US of Anus has conquered th world?
+Tom Munro, CHI I didn't know any of this stuff about gallons; thank you! There are major problems with the metric system. The first problem is that 'we' (Anglo-Americans) let the French design it. Nothing good could have come from that. The second is that 'meter' doesn't mean anything. For most folks, a 'foot' is still about the size of their foot, an inch is still about the length of a finger bone ...etc. Real measurements for real life. A meter is supposed to be ... what? A millionth of the distance between the north pole and equator? Who really cares? It ain't that, anyway! (French again)
What should have happened is that they keep the 'inch' - just declare that it is now in tenths, rather than twelfths. Change nothing. A yard would still be three feet, but the 'inches' would be in tenths. Way, way to easy.
+iw63boomer too easy...way TOO easy,....lol.....sorry...had to throw that in there....you had me thinking "Hell yeah!
I'm a government certified inspector for the second largest municipality in my home state in the US. Maybe things are different where you are but why is a weekend-course home inspector inspecting new construction? Where is the Building inspector?
Hi Jay, before you attempt to insult some by referring to them as a weekend course home inspector you should look up the requirements to become a Certified Home Inspector in British Columbia, Canada.
To answer your question why am I inspecting a home that is under construction? Its simple...because the government certified inspectors in my region miss stuff like this all the time and the people who are buying this place from a developer wanted an independent experienced inspector, like me!! To make sure stuff like this was not overlooked!!
How that answered your question and crappy attempt at an insult...
"miss stuff like this all the time"?
In America, skirting permitting requirements and inspections is called breaking the law and the structure can and will face huge fines and can be dismantled. Under no circumstance is a home inspector a viable substitute for a governmental building code enforcing agency.
And according to the wonderful world of internet, your requirements to become a certified inspector are.........150 hours of training.
Congrats on such a prominent achievement.
I literally laugh out loud +Jay DeJong as I read you comments and they clearly show your maturity level. Are you defending your American construction is practices? Are your inspectors better that ours? Are you construction practices perfect because of an inspector like YOU!!!
I'm trying to change the poor quality of homes in this industry with this video by educating people what is really going on. This isn't a myth, it's out there, I've clearly shown it with this video.
You should have some professional courtesy, if you actually are an inspector, and share the video or make similar videos to hopefully improve the quality of homes built for everyday homeowners in your area.
Isn't that our goal as inspectors?
My point is that a home inspector with your limited experience and "qualifications" should not be inspecting new homes.
If you don't agree then edit your video where you clearly state "it's actually a unique inspection" admitting you're extended past your normal duty.
the OSB on the shower wall i can see, but we dont know the finished surface, like the drywall in the other bath, if they plan to apply Schluter or Prova membrane, they are rated to be applied to regular drywall in a shower/bath application when tile is installed, so while it may not be the best product it is an acceptable substrate
The uniform building code. .. you gotta love it.
As a european it is scary how these buildings look like. The wood that holds the roof is insanely thin. I wouldn't dare to live in a building like that.
+mongolz1000 I aggree on the general flimsy state. I'm European, and architect, with full legal (non retractable) responsability in control over execution as well (something that does NOT exist in north America, which is the reason there, "Home inspectors" do exist. (Not here) The flimsy state of north American wood frame buildings however IS legal, there. Stability calculation norms are so much lover then in Europe (See: Eurocode) Not only the minimum stability code is lower, but also (and prominently) the heat insulation minimum requirements. (Side note : Which is why the construction cost before finishing in north American private building can be easily 1.5 to 2 times cheaper then European. Europe requires structural and energetic "Mercedesses" allover, while north America still allows "Old school Dacias". :-) ..)
Wig4 From energy consumption side North American standards are crazy compared to Europeans. However we are in a different situation because EU don't have too much oil, gas, etc.
+mongolz1000 It has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with political decisionmaking. EC is worlds prominent force in fighting back energy waste. Compare with Japan, where legal heat insulation minimum requitements are almost ZERO (none) , abeit, they do not have any oil, nor natural gas, nor coal. The european continent (Northsea-to Ural wide...) still has relatively plenty. It's all on purely political (lobbying) level.
Wig4 Party agree.
Still, the political situation is that because of hisorical examples EU cannot allow hanging on Russia. EU has to be very independent. Also the European continent is the "oldest" (from civilisation point of view), and compared to Northern America much more crowded. If you want to build a house in an average area, you have to demolish one. In Northern America except big cities there are plenty of free space.
Japan is another story.
+mongolz1000 Looks are deceiving. Science helps us build more with less materials -- just look how far bridges have come since the old Roman stone bridges. have come. No American's roof is coming down on them. They resist all the rain and snow that falls on them, but they aren't designed to hold up a 50 year old fir tree that falls on it w/o damage. Maybe European roofs can do that.
The US has two different definitions of the gallon, the most commonly used
one is the 'liquid' gallon, defined as a volume of 231 cubic inches or
3.785 L. This comes down to 8.344 lbs of water at its densest.
or 3.785 Kg
Video poster is in Canada, so he's talking about Imperial gallons, hence the 10 pound measurement.
1: He's not talking about US gallons, as stated.
2: Even if he was, a lot of times these figures get rounded up.
3: Personally I'd have it constructed to be able to hold a signifigantly higher weight, those glass tubs suck.
3,785.41g ;- ) we should have moved to metric a long time ago....
those hangers upside down loool, at first I thought you were under the deck looking up but they actually put them upside down.
Wow! That's going to require a LOT of reworking. Impressive video sir.
nice paper homes
+John Jesus
Are you mad because your paper house caught fire, and then got wet and moldy? XD
+petrospress welcome to America!
Steven B2 dont tell me houses are like that ? In my country russia we use bricks
95% of them are like this. Why do you think they blow away in the tornado?
Steven B2 and why they dont make more reliable homes ?
what do you expect for $8 per hour,taj mahal builders?!u get what u paid for.....
+Dimi Nach In Belgium, the average contractor cost into hard-materials construction (the pack digging-foundations-concrete-brickwork including insulations) is in 2015 between € 38 ph (rare lowest) and € 46 ph (rare highest). The average we take into consideration for pre-project budget checks is € 42.
A 2011 statistical construction labour survey (somewhat 3% lower then actual rates, ...the article text itself : sorry, we speak Dutch, try google translate) :
LINK : www.jobat.be/nl/artikels/de-10-best-betaalde-stielmannen/
First table = average hourly contracting cost from firm to client (by trade).
Loose from VAT taxing (either +21% - new construction - ; or +6% - renovation work -) It includes not just labour, but all business related costs and profit margin.
Second table = legal minimum hourly pay of employed builders with the contractor.
Those are by official SKILL GRADE of the said employee. (Lowest skill grade = first year learning boy, on top ; highest on bottom of table.)
It is giving hourly gross income, but 'invisible' for the employee, employers must pay legal social contributions on top of this, directly into the social security funds and legal labour-accidents insurance funds. (From which for instance calamilities are payed, and later pensions are payed, etc) This accounts for about 71% on top of the gross income. I'm really writing : 71%, not 7.1% ... just for those who don't believe... So, the first year unskilled learning boy, is COSTING the employer (year 2011) a minimum of € 21.40 ph , or a minimum of € 30,90 ph at the highest skilled workleader.
That's BOTH a far cry from the $ 8 ph you post as example (USA ? Canada?) , isn't it? Without proper pay, indeed, you NEVER get proper jobs done, OR... your system could still be based on slavery !?? ..........
Although the COST of hand labour in Belgium is among the highest in the whole world, we are very proud that we care about the standard of living of all employees, not just the "brain-workers", who typically get paid much LESS (like 1/2 to 1/4) of what they can get in e.g. USA, Canada. THOSE are completely overrated payments, not the payments for the hand labour here. It brings us humanly speaking closer together, knowing that the real income span between hand labour and brain labour is very small, in Belgium. It seems it works. Since ages.
As a consequence: YES building cost is much higher here. But we don't like modern slavery.
Greetings.
+Wig4 ,so i dont know how the sysem works in BELGIUM, but here in Florida (usa),like many states ,everyone is trying to get ''free'' workers,most cases Mexicans (the americans will never work that kind of job for $8-$9ph).So i was working in a condo (New Jersey state) for 5 summers (seasonal) i start at $10ph and after 5 summers i finish at $12ph.Two summers ago one American came to work for the same condo and after a 2 years (summers) they give him $17ph i was still at $12ph doing more work than before.After that moment i told myself why should i work hard and doing every single task nice and good,F"em,i stop working for this people and i am happy becouse they were acting like they pay me more then enoght ,F#ck em,so this man on the video has to put the blame on the contractors not the workers,thank u
+Dimi Nach Afterr I just explained (very) extensively "how" the system works in Belgium, they, why do you start with writing that you don't know it ? .... :-) By just reading again, you could overcome that ? :-) Cheers.
2nd.
WHERE do you hear the speaker on the video blaming the 'workers' instead of the contractor? I can't, because he didn't. (Too much fantasy?) A home inspection is by definition on the contractor.
+Sunny One
Clearly you don't live on planet earth, yes you get what you pay for, sheeesh
+Sunny One
Pay for cheap labor, you get crap like in this video, plain and simple...Most everything you do in life in purchasing goods is you get what you pay for system...Want crap food, go to McDonalds, want a crappy built house, get the cheapest bid you find, etc. etc...
Nice video.... Amazing how contractors can actually do something like that
agreed - having an experienced inspector verify key things are done correctly is important.
This guy has obviously never installed a tub; the screw flanges are still exposed on both, meaning that the osb and drywall are going to be behind the tile backer. The osb under the tub is part of the tub, and does not require further support, per the manufacturer's installation instructions.
Home inspections are a very good idea. Its also a good idea to use one that isn't a waste of money.
Both tubs are fine. The final layer of tile backer will butt into or overlap the tub flange over the osb. I might ask why they used the osb and extra layer of rock but there are many structural and sound reasons for these types of things. As of now it isn't done and nothing wrong. The vertical support under the tub is not osb and a stringer on the back wall should be your support. Again the builder is not done and nothing is wrong.
The hangers upside down could also be a pre fab error and it was built/installed backwards. You don't know so its not safe to assume amateurs did the work.
A good inspector would know what stage the house is in and ask questions about the builders plan for completion. Being in the trade for 20 years now I would call you the amateur in this video.
Thanks for your opinion Nibsco16 but, there is no place for OSB in or around a bath tub or shower. The tub base is inadequate and the hangers were installed upside down. Following my inspection all the issues I addressed in this video were replaced and installed properly to our local building code.
Thanks for your comments though.
Tom Munro, CHI Yea yea. The flange is exposed on the top of the tub which means the durock/hardy backer/green board hasn't been installed yet. Along with the sheet rock in the rest of the room. When that next layer gets installed and is properly sealed,, it doesn't matter what is behind there.
Out of curiosity what do you do when the subfloor around the tub is osb?
Also what exactly did you make those guys do to the framing to make you happy?
Give up on the hangers. Its dumb and the builder would have fixed it without you. Not too mention in your time looking at those you failed to notice the missing lags into the rim. Not sure what your codes are up there but that is a no no here.
Nibisco16 Your right the flange is exposed and they planned to installed regular sheet rock over it...this kind of construction is inadequate and has a limited service life...I've seen what this kind of construction looks like after 10 years, the moisture damage is incredible. There is no place for this type of shoddy construction when there are far superior products in the market that will not deteriorate like this stuff will. Its all about the builder saving a buck on cheaper products.
When I see OSB on a sub-floor they replace it...OSB is not a permitted product for flooring in our local building code.
Actually the builder didn't fix the hanger by the time I came back for the final inspection and yes I had them lag the ledge to the building.
Thanks for all your comments!!
Tom Munro, CHI I have a hard time believing osb isn't permitted. Honestly I don't really believe anything you say.
A good building inspector works with the builder and doesn't post ad videos "new home construction fails". In which the only fail would be the hangers. The rest were just things you should ask about. I build apartments and condos where we have an insane amount of building codes and weekly inspections. They act as a part of our team,,, not against us.
Lastly its up to the person making the huge investment to find a quality builder even if it means its a little more expensive. Builders with the lowest bids are generally the ones the cut the most corners from what I've seen. Do your homework.
IMO,,,, you need to make a better video.
Nibisco16 Thanks for your comments Nib.. OSB is not permitted as a flooring product.
Your right when a person is making a huge investment they should hire a good builder but, when they are buying a home that is being built or has been built, they hire me. I inspect homes for people who want to buy them and want a professional opinion of how they are built.
More video coming, I have endless content...
Can you put something else over the particleboard around the tub or would they have too tear out the particle board completely?
You mention the osb that is under the tub and the issues that may arise if in contact with water. Which leads me to my question as I just purchased a tub and it also has a board of osb on the underside, however said osb comes fibreglassed into the underside of the tub. Is it necessary to remove this?
Our house is a former showhome which is about 10 years old now. There are so many issues. My shower has had so many issues and it's very hard to remove it since the wall it backs into has a mirror and a cabinet, so in order to change it, we'd have to carefully remove the mirror and saw out the the cabinet. Luckily, all the issues have been solved by removing the handle and fixing that. We have a tub which is leaking and is encased in a wooden box, so we can't actually access the valves to shut off the water and we'll probably have to call in a carpenter. However, there's also a large glass privacy pane on top of the most ideal area to remove the panel, so it's not an ideal situation. Every electrician we've had has told us about the crazy wiring in our house. It's pretty bad since items and sockets sometimes stop functioning properly for a while. The industrial carpet is also starting to bubble, our two furnaces have stopped working multiple times (once there was CO involved), and we're always finding new issues.
Ive worked in construction for a little while now and seen companies try to get away with a-lot of thing they knew were going to cause problems in the future.
Munro HI, awesome video. Learned quite a bit in 4 minutes. Would like to see the biggest construction "fail" in your files. Thanks.
We bought our house that had been built in the 50s. So many problems, including galvanized steel plumbing, but the worst was that they had used sheetrock in the shower enclosure. We should have realized something was up when there were curtains and glass shelves on the window in the enclosure. When we remodeled the bathroom about two years later I was scooping out handfuls of mush there.
I know that this is a relatively old video, and I’m an architectural designer for like 15 years now. I have never seen a combined shower and bathtub unit that is all one piece like that where the standup shower is from the tub yet all molded in the same form. That just blew my mind.
I agree with most of what he said. And I can’t tell whether those joist hangers or nay on yet. But whenever I’m staging things I do set my Joyce hangers that same way just so they won’t go anywhere before I come back and install them so it’s hard to tell whether it’s a fair assumption he’s made about amateurs
Subscribed ! Greetings from Hamilton Ontario ! Great vids with great explanation
I saw those upside down hangers and thought "somebody missed physics class that day . . . "
wish I had inspections during construction.
good tips