How Many CPU Cores Do You REALLY Need For Gaming? 😮
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- Whats the BEST CPU for your gaming PC, and how many cores should your processor have? 4, 6, 8, 12 or 16 cores? PC Centric benchmarks the 7950X vs 7800x3D, to show how many cores you need for PC gaming performance! ⭐ (AD) Corsair 6500X at Corsair: go.corsair.com/dagWjk | at Newegg: howl.me/clNOsR6jlCX
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00:00 How Many Cores for PC Gaming Do You Need?
01:34 Gaming CPUs Explained!
04:43 Bottleneck Testing w/ 4 Cores!
10:23 Advanced BIOS Tweaks
11:31 6 Core Bottlenecks!
13:32 8 Core Testing!
14:58 12 Core Gameplay!
16:01 FULL Benchmarks!
17:51 You Need ??? Cores! - Věda a technologie
I swear you always have a new video out EXACTLY for what I need or what I'm pondering about. Great channel.
Like fuck, just bought a 4090 thanks to him. And literally todat I was to decide between AMD and Intel , and this video pops up without even been subscribed. Of course I am now lol, this man makes magic.
You only need one core. . . Hardcore
I’ll get my coat. . .
Lol
Hardcore parkour
never come back
I'll hand it over to you.
@@p00ner Hardcore PerCore
Absolutely love your videos my friend gaming is my life I'm still learning about gaming pcs your videos help thank you
I liked the moving analogy, sounds unusual but makes a lot of sense.
that intro slide into the shot was strong. Blades of glory style, love it
Yes, I have a 7800X3D.
Nice to see it beat the living day lights out of everything from 4 cores to 16 core CPU's!!!!!!!!!
That's it 7800X3D lay down the SMACKDOWN!!!!!
I love the vids I just got into pc gaming and your really helping me can you do a updated video with the best pc parts for high fps and a 900$ budget please
thanks, quick question I've been wanting to know for a long time how did you setup PCL monitoring? I'm using MSI afterburner but do not see anything related to monitoring latency.
Thanks for any help...
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Averaging 90-100 fps on Ultra Settings, RT enabled, DLSS Quality on a 7800x3D with a 4070 TI Super.
@@Uranius7 not in Vernworth. I can get 90-100fps in the woods as well with 9900KS OC and 3080. But only about 60-70 in that city.
That game is broke .
Many better looking games that run much better than that games on less hardware .
@@Uranius7
Averaging 144 fps on Ultra Settings, RT enabled, DLSS Quality on a 7800x3D with a 4090.
@@Uranius7thanks
Interesting test. What software is he using to monitor the performance in real time?
I went for the i5 13600k paired with the rx 6800 xt, I built my first PC about 7 months ago.
I did a 12600kf and 6800 non xt 5 months ago! Great combo!
Same!
What do you use to have all of your statistics show up in game in that format and font? Looks awesome!
msi afterburner possibly
I love your videos! Makes me want to play more games! We want more vids!
i have a 14700K + 4080 super, its working great
Bro I need your help
Not sure what resolution you are playing at but it looks like for that setup at 1440p resolution there is about a 18.5% bottleneck on the CPU
not bad
You are clueless@@itsathejoey
How you figure that? I have the same combo and im utilizing 99% of my GPU in all my titles @1440p with it blimping to 98% 97% here and there not often@joeycrysel9333
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For the tasks and loading
What CPU will be suitable for the Asus G10DK motherboard? Trying to upgrade from the Ryzen 5 3400g
Got a 7800x3d + 4080 super fe combo couldn’t be happier with performance (first build btw)
That's so great
How much dud it cost mate??
How much did it cost and what do you do for that kind of money.
@@hellspawnx3526 7800x3d costs £340 and 4080 super costs £960, so £1300 for both
@@crimsondrake6453 😂
How does dual chamber allow for a tiny build?
I'm new to the pc world. Found your channel recently. I'm building a PC and I bought a rx 7900xt with a i7 12700f cpu. I plan to upgrade the cpu to a i9 soon but just found a good deal on that cpu. Will the combination be fine or no? Mainly looking to play 1440p multi-player games
I’d say get a 7800X3D instead, but then you’d have to buy a motherboard as well. However, that CPU and a new motherboard would cost about the same as the high end i9 chips.
I was surprised to see the performance improvement with 12 and even 16 cores, but really happy to see my 7800X3D destroy everything nonetheless.
Lol same.
If you have a browser and a bunch of other programs open also while you game, more cores will for sure be needed over 6.
sure, the minimum should be 8/16 cpu's if ur building something brand new and u intend to carry it for many years
@@MrSamadolfo Even if you plan to resale. It is better to have the chip others are wanting to upgrade to later on. The bottom drops out on value for a 6 core chip.
@@kramnull8962 agree 🙂
Hey great work what about intel Apo video install+test 12 13 14 gen :) 😮
What is the FPS monitor you are using?
The white Corsair case is my favourite case ever
At most it seems games can support up to 8 CPU cores then 2 cores for the windows OS so they do not have to overlap though most CPUs can make it so overlapping isn't an issue for most processes. Some games max out all 8 CPU cores so having 10 CPU cores is needed so the maximum amount of cores that games will require is 10. How many actually use 8 is very few as most still use only 4 CPU cores and 2 CPU cores for the OS which can overlap with the CPU cores for the game.
My 7600X saw this video and made me click on it. He’s wondering if he’s about to be disrespected or given his rightful place at the top.
I clicked to see if the 5600x was still relevant lol
im using a 7600 with 4080 Super in one config and 7600 with 7900 GRE in my other config. The CPU is barely being used in either case since the 4080S is connected to my 4K oled tv and the 7900 GRE is connected to my 2560x1080 ultrawide.
@@_TrueDesire_does 7600 bottlenecks any of the 2 GPUs??
@hellspawnx3526 well not from what I can tell. I however cap my fps to 120 in order to stay in sync range and save some on my electricity bill 😂 in 4K I would say it's not an issue, and in ultrawide 2560x1080 not at all as long as you got a new Ryzen 7000 series or intel's 12-14 gen.
I also checked TPUs site 7800x3D vs 7600, using a 4090:
1080p: 20% better (230 vs 190 fps)
1440p: 15% better (207 vs 178 fps)
2160p: ~9% better (148 vs 139 fps)
In my case I rather spend the difference on the gpu since I don't chase 600 fps in games 😁 fps above averaged in 25 games.
My 7600 (non X) is feeling slightly inadequate after watching this video 🤣
Could you please do a review on the Dell G15 or Dell G16?
I d like to see a test of different gpus+ cpus combos, given a similar budget. For example I see all those AIO liquid coolers costing as much as the difference between a 70 class and a 80 class nvidia gpu. Lets say for example: would a liquid cooled 7800x3d + a 4070 gpu give you more frames than an older 3700x with a cheaper air cooler+ 4080? at 1440p. Would the result change at 4k? cose comparing core counts without considering what monitor resolution you got to feed does not tell the full picture. games are getting redicolously cpu intensive lately, sure but at high resolution? how much does it really matter?
as current mainstream consoles are 8 core and 16GB ram /+fast nvme drive/ the pc port would scale beginning with that, more ram /32GB/ helps with buffering main video cards vram, some strategies /lots of npcs or underlings following orders/ and big worldmaps can utilise more cores and more ram, but sweetspot is and will be for a while 8 cores as fast as possible, if you work with your computer as well than your purse is the limit......I am really curious how adding npu and AI into games will change the gaming and also push the limits of what is possible vs what is necessary....interesting times we live in.......
I do a lot of productivity work that needs cores. I also game. The 7950X3D seemed like the perfect CPU for me. I was not disappointed.
Planet zoo got a boost from 4c to 6c through its 1% lows.
There's nowhere near the amount of stuttering which is nice to see.
when a cpu is utilizing 50% utilization, all the cores are being used... when it goes above 50%, it is stating to use hyperthreading, so 67% is using all 4 cores, but 1 or 2 is using hyperthreading...
Would be interested to see at least one test using 4 cores from a single CCD. Still great video!
yeah, using cores from two ccds has a latency penalty that wasn't accounted for in this video & isn't the best way to test this kind of thing imo. 4, 6, & 8 core tests should have all been on one ccd for more accurate results.
You're not doing this right, you want as many cores as possible on a single CCD/CCX. You should be running it in this order - 4/0, 6/0, 8/0, 6/6, & 8/8. If you did it this way you'd find that the 8/0 configuration runs better than the 6/6 and 8/8 configurations. The reason it's scaling so well for you is because you're pretty much comparing 2/0, 3/0, 4/0, 6/0, & 8/0, as the games have a hard time making proper use of multi CCD chips. Games are not scaling beyond 8 unified p-cores with 16 threads.
I said exactly the same this is a flawed test. I also think locking the cores and not letting them boost is also flawed. In a way this test is how the old Zen2 CCD's used to run which was why there was such an uplift to Zen 3 when they unified the CCX.
@@mixit2413 Locking the cores is a good strategy since it eliminates confounders, as the chip boosts higher with fewer cores enabled. The best & simplest way to do this would be to simply disable precision boost in the bios. Otherwise agreed.
@@johnjones5932 I agree for this test locked cores are probably best way but its misleading in the extreme if you were to compare chips to it like the 7600x, 7700x, 7900x and 7950x as they don't work in the same way.
Probably would have been better to use an Intel I7 13700k with the E cores disabled as no game uses more than 16 threads.
I'm happy with my Intel Core 14th gen flagship CPU, the Intel Core i7-14700k (has 8 physical cores, with a respectable 5.4Ghz speed). Also depends on what GPU you have. I have an RTX 4080, which can process a heavy 40 minute video edit project in only 20 minutes a supposed to 2 hours with my old PC which had an i7-6700k and a GTX 1070.
I'm planning on upgrading as well. My PC is close to yours. i5 6600K and GTX 960
Lamo 😂 I got your old space right now still holding one w8 for 9000 and amd and 5070 😂
Please do a part 2 video but test other video games.
With these builds, he really needs to try DCS World. This perhaps would challenge the systems built. Something to think about
i still use my i9 10850k but i am planning on making a new build which i can take with me overseas in a mini itx build
I have i3 10100f. Should i upgrade to 11700. I dont want to invest again in motherboard and ram.
What is max gpu i can pair with 11700. Currently, i have 1650 super.
You just got my sub and I don't sub to almost anybody. I simply love you. Thanks to you, Im building a 4090 set myself, you gave me the confidence to go for it as a 1st timer PC builder. Now you help me deciding between intel and AMD, your energy is amazing and shows how you love what you do. Thanks my man.
I'd do some comparisons on graphic cards before you by a 4090. But only if you want to save money on your build. The gain in fps isn't really worth it for me.
@@manhandler thankfully for me the money isn't an issue. And yeah the 4090 is waaaay ahead even from the 4080 super and 7900XTX, which was my initial pick. I ended up spending $1000 - $1500 more for 30% 40% performance improvement to me was no brainer. I also play big AAA games for the most part, and I'm future proofing for at least 7 years
@@tiltingart9276तुम्हाला पैशाचा काही विषयच नाही म्हणल्यावर मग काय बघायचं.. होऊ द्या खर्च.. माझ्याकडे i3-10100 आहे आणि Gigabyte RX 550 आहे. मी त्यावरच खुश आहे. मला एवढं game खेळायला आवडत नाहीत आणि माझ्याकडे वेळ पण नाही.
just bought a R9 7900 last thursday :)
That Corsair case is literally the NZXT H9 Flow case.
yes it's horrible
which a Lian Li 011 Dynamic clone.
They need to make a case that has airflow and more radiator/fan installation options, front, top, side, bottom, back, with each orientation able to accommodate LF3 420 rads without looking ridiculous, with no clearance issues, or no fans being blocked or touching any part in parallel.
I went to a 4000D with a 9900KF and I swear the temps automatically went up 10C over a 2015 generic full tower from newegg. I double stacked the radiator with 120mm fans and didn't change the temps at all. The 4000 series Corsair forces you to run a 360 radiator in the front. Not sure it can get the air flow behind that glass to make it work....
Im using a 5600x with a 6700xt is that still enough or should i ugrade
So glad I have a 5900x and looking to upgrade to a 7800x3d/7900x here soon
I have a 7900x kinda wish I got the 7950x as now they are impossible to get
Great CPU got a great deal at microcenter
Have you considered that lower cores such as a 4,6 or 8 are being pounded by Windows tasks such as the pretty little lights that are being run by an application? If you open Windows Task Manager there is a long list of tasks being performed even while you game. Lower cores would have to handle all that and be able to game, whereas a higher core unit would have plenty of cores available to assign cores to gaming and the others to Windows tasks.
Hey,I just recently installed my 7800xt onto a MSI b650 tomahawk
The computer boots properly and has no issues at all, but, when I was installing the GPU into the slot, before I screwed it to the case, it felt rather wobbly in the slot - as if it could pivot slightly up and down (I.e. up towards the CPU and down towards the bottom of the case).
When inserting it, I hear a click, on visual inspection the gpu fully seated i can't push it more, the clip appeared to be clicked into space.
It's making me slightly paranoid, so thought I'd ask:
- is it normal for a GPU to be a bit wobbly even when fully inserted into the PCIe slot, before screws?
That’s normal for heavier cards. My 6800XT Taichi sags a bit, I bought a cheap gpu stick holder and problem solved.
its suppose to be a bit wobbly, ur suppose to look from behind the case and line it up horizontally, then lock it down, also add a gpu sagging bracket
Running a 4070ti super with i5 13600kf.
Would upgrading ti i7 14700k make a real diffirence?
No
A weird/funnny rabbit hole I have gone down recently that has got me wanting a CPU upgrade, is PC emulators.
No, not emulating Switch or ps2 or whatever, but actually emulating ANOTHER PC. So I emulate a cycle accurate Windows 98 PC from the era with an intel Pentium 2 and a 3dfx Voodoo 3 GPU on my Ryzen 5800X and 4080. (It actually doesnt use the GPU). This actually pushes my 5800X to the limit, because it is trying to perfectly replicate the performance of those parts.
So its like having a real 90's PC inside your modern PC. Its great for compatibility with old games and most importantly retro games feel and look authentic.
I want to upgrade my processor for that so I can emulate more builds. But, the only thing stopping me is the notion that I would essentially be buying and expensive modern CPU so it can pretend to be a slow cpu from the 90's 😅
I'm just so happy that I bought the ryzen 7 7800 ex 3D!! I got 4 days before all my parts show up and then I can build it!!!
What are your specs?
@@MrAnimescrazy Ryzen 7 7800x3d ,AMD 7900xt DDR5 6000 cl30 850PSU ,
@@kikflip9872 a nice high end build.
I want that new Corsair case
Do you not get any sagging on the graphics card?
Any way to force the cpu or gpu to use all?
I appreciate seeing Spidey wearing his classic suit.🙂
Will 8 powerful core 7800x3D still beat 16 those 16 core of the 7950x even at 4K max out graphic setting while using the RTX 4090?
The 7800X3D performs about the same as the 7950X3D in benchmarks.
I know this isnt the exact point or focus for this video, but I liked that you happened to show the shader loading screen for Hogwarts Legacy, my daughters Intel platform PC sadly freezes on that screen and won't even load so she can play it.
u need to get her a better intel platform, a recent i3 is good enough, u must be running something low spec?
More of the same or similarly strong cores smoothen frametime what AVG+LOWs graphs don't really show. The same with faster ram.
since the Thread Director(many thanks to AMD for this amazing invention!!) of my Adler Lake 12600kf decides how many cores are needed, useful or can be parked it doesn't matter how much cores my Cpu has. only if the core count or ipc is to low in a couple years i need something new. but i think 10 cores and 16 threads are good for the moment.
ALL OF THEM! YOU NEED ALL THE CORES!!!
I don’t know the answer to the question but I got a 7800x3d and it’s doing the job pretty well
Of course it does, it's high end cpu released in 2023...
I'm interested to see the results, but my i3 12100f pairs well enough with my 6700 XT for what I look for out of my gaming experience.
depends what u like to play, if all your playing is Left 4 Dead and Back 4 Blood thats all u will ever need 🙂
i have an i3-12100f too with a 4060 and it works great 😃
this so helpful :0
depends on your use case obviously.
pure gaming needs super fast cores, pure productivity needs more cores.
mixed workload ie a bit of office,some gaming,a bit of OBS/video editing/rendering then 8 core 16 thread is about the sweet spot.....any more and it gets insanely expensive and not worth your while.
12 core/16 core/32 core are for semi pro builds with work in mind.
4 core is totally budget these days,but for not much more,you can have quadruple the performance,which is good for system longevity.
you will ALWAYS leave performance on the table,
there are ALWAYS a bottleneck somewhere,
best you can do is minimize the dollar to bottleneck ratio.
I opted for the 65W Ryzen 9 7900 12C/24T CPU over the hotter-running, higher energy consumption 7700X 8C/16T CPUon my latest (1440p) build, because it basically does everything better & can still essentially match the single-core performance of the 7700X, since they have the same boost clock speed for single-core tasks. The often-overlooked 65W 7900 is a very underrated little powerhouse for its price-point. Hate that it includes the weaksauce AMD Wraith Cooler though with the CPU, thus artificially increasing its cost versus other CPU alternatives a bit. I replaced the stock AMD 96mm single-fan Wraith cooler with the DeepCool AK620 Digital (twin tower heatsink, x2 120mm fans, digital display).
why 7700x is hotter?
7900 does everything better except gaming. 7700x or non x are faster than 7900
@@hanselbermudez7604 7700 (both) faster than 7900 for gaming? How come?
@@hanselbermudez7604 Not the benchmarks I've seen.
I'm using the same cooler on a 7800x3d. Running like a beast. Never gets over Temps with a little oc
So which ones do I need for Dragons Dogma 2?
hi can you tell me any reasons why my pc starts...the straight away shuts off with a yellow light?...any suggestions
could be anything
When a game isn't fully utilizing both the CPU and GPU, without an FPS cap set for smooth performance, the bottleneck likely lies in the RAM or chipset bandwidth. However, it's often attributed to poor optimization when people describe the issue.
Many MMOs require increased RAM bandwidth, hence the necessity for quad or more channel high-speed memory.
Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a method to measure the active memory bandwidth being utilized at any given moment.
Biased toward 1440P. My Lenovo with 8 core 13700 and 4080 is CPU capped with Spiderman @ 4k but runs smooth and toasty.
I have a Threadripper 5975WX 32 cores/64 threads. And I also own a 13900KS and several 8700KS and finally a 4790K.
The 4790k+Gtx-1080 is still a valid combo for 60fps tripple a titles. And it does this for 8 years and counting.
What gpu are you running with your threadripper?
which monitor is that????
is it worth upgrading from a 3060 ti to a 4070
Now this is the video I need
I'm going to buy a pc
The takeaway here is optimization can be more important than high-end hardware.
Is an i9-9900k very outdated compared to those? Bougth it in 2019 and seems like i chose the worst time posible hahah. I run it with a 3080ti btw.
What should I say if I have still my i7 6700k and gtx 1070 😂
If you use a 3080Ti for path tracing and ray tracing, i don't think a 9900K is outdated for that.
I can play all AAA games with ease, using my 6-core i7-8700k. I play 3440x1440, with a 6900XT. I’ll upgrade my CPU someday, but having it OC’d to 4.7 GHz, it’s still working like a champ.
Is 4 cores enough for rocket league, fortnite and CS:GO, like in low setting and stable fps and no lagging?
Shouldn't be a big issue no
How many cores you need for gaming depends on the game you're playing, there is no one size fits all for best performance.
Is the 14600KF a good pair with 4070 super ti ?
Yes. The bottleneck will be your monitor.
Got a 5800X with a 7900XTX for 4K Warzone, runs it perfectly! Might swap to DDR5 next year and I’ll probably get a 9600 (Or X if there’s no non X).
thats sounds alrite, warzone is a very heavy game plus its multiplayer so yeah go 8/16 plus a beefy card
Been running 3950X, 5700xt, 64GB ram, 4TB Nvme, 8TB SSD, 24TB HDD (internal), 64TB external. Since Jan 2020 and not upgraded any part as this fits my needs currently (not just a gaming PC)
get a 128TB NAS
@@AbhishekSingh-dt3et considered 2 JBOD as the 64TB I manly use for back up that I can move around
Next you'll ask: how many beers are required for drinking?
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Is 4070 super and and 7 7700x a good pair?
It is. You can play 1440p 100+ fps any game if you operate your settings well. Its enough for 4K 60fps maybe too imo
@@bulbacsi how about the ryzen 7 7800x3d and the 4070 super?
ddr 4 with rx7800 xt vs ddr 5 rx 7700 xt witch is best
Surely Delid a 7950x and run 5.8ghz all core vs the 7800X3D
It’s most likely going to be 8 cores as the sweet spot. I only have an i9 14900ks because I use my rig for a multitude of things including my job at home. But if your just gaming, than I’d say no more than 8 cores is really needed. Especially if there’s eight cores or overclockable
Sticking with my i3/4070!
Still rocking my i9-10900K OC @5.2GHZ, with a 4090 at 4k its still a great CPU. With little to no bottleneck as mainly GPU bound. No need to upgrade for a while. 😉
Legit. I will say that running my 4090 with a 13900k with DDR4 (DDR5 was ridiculous when I upgraded CPU) previously at 3440x1440p, the CPU was a noticeable bottleneck. Now, with a 4k 240z monitor, it feels balanced and uses the entire GPU generally with few exceptions for CPU-strapped games.
We need to see the doggo!
I have just upgraded from ryzen 2600 to ryzen 5700x and launched the last of us part 1 main story shader building completed in 12 mins previously it used to take 30+ mins, i have also noticed frame time improvements in horizon forbidden west, spiderman miles morales is so much stable now @ very high settings native 1080p, swinging across the city is also very smooth now.
My build is AMD 5600 xt en gpu Asus RX7800 xt tuf gaming in small case Cooler Masterbox nr200 Max
My 5900x & RTX 3090 combo at 3440x1440 is still fine then 😅
For your Hogwarts Legacy crashing issue, Disabling Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling should do the trick as its very common to be the cause of crashing in that game.
So the more cores and more threads will make better perfomance right,
As long as the game can use them, yes
@@PcCentric like tasks like graphics but the graphics is on gpu more not cpu
Might want to add Dragon's Dogma 2 for CPU testing. That stupidly un-optimized game runs poorly even with a 4090 as the game is heavily CPU bound apparently.
And people still got that game 😂 idk why get a broken game the got to be punished for it once optimized then go for it I once got a game was so bad I hade 20 up to 30 f once a year went by I hade 60 up to 70 😑
Yes the return of BENCH MARCUS! :D
Why didn't you try Cyber Punk because Phantom Liberty uses more cpu than most of the games you tested.
Hopefully we really are at the start of the era of game developers looking to use more and more cores. Should we realy in this day and age be thinking 4 cores is enough or 8 cores is ok? By now 4 cores should be noticably limiting 8 core the avaerage and 12 and 16 cores being used more and more espcially with games like flight sim and even possibly the Total war style stratergy games. I think even newer sim racing games should be optimised to use take advantage of more. Ores with 8 core being really the start point and 12 and 16 very highly desirable shooters 4 and 8 cores are good enough for a few more years but hey why not look to the future. I game and have a r9 5950x 16 core and 32 threads paired with a rx 6950xt but I am doing photo editing and slowly looking at doing more video editing.
Outro song?
Hope the day comes where I can use my 13900k 24 cores for gaming
I have one of those. I was worried if having that many cores would be bad for gaming.