CHEAP BMW F30 3 SERIES WHAT COULD GO WRONG ??? CHEAP FOR A REASON
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This is a known problem, the noise is coming from the oil pump chain, they probably only changed the normal timing chain. There is a revised part for it. Done a few of them now on the N20 engine
I actually think that's spot on to
When I was a kid I’d be watching Crackerjack at 5 o’clock on a Friday. Now I’m 50 it’s Salvage Rebuilds.
Oooh, I could crush a grape !
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The Mother-in- laws round, "I just need to pop out love and grab something", say no more mate, we've all been there... 😂
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I’m assuming the only reason the Car was brought 😂
😂😂😂my thoughts exactly
Mileage discrepancy, listed damage… f@ck it!
Just walked through the door, beer in hand, salvage rebuilds on the big screen, happy Friday everyone 👍🏻
Took the words right out of my mouth mate
Snap, but substitute beer for a dark rum and black!
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Chances are by now Chris has thrown in a late night and sorted it, no way would he of left it there, halfway through eating his tea a thought popped into his head, tea left on the table and out with the tools,
Known issue with those N20 engines, a few CZcams videos about it. From 2015 they updated the chain/guides. Get a proper BMW kit and replace the timing and oil pump chain. You'll also have to check the oil pickup pipe for plastic debris.
The second set of photos on Car Vertical were taken in a salvage yard. You can see a fork lift next to it and stickers in the screen. A dealer wouldn’t try to sell a car using pictures taken in that sort of setting.
The 07/ 2020 pics have copart style sticker in the windscreen. Certainly been offered at a salvage yard.
Given the damage to the torx heads, and knackered tensioner, don't as Chris said fill you with confidence. Did somebody actually do the chain job or just claim they had. If they did would somebody lacking basic tools actually be competent to work on this sort of engine. I reckon the chain job needs redoing from scratch.
whilst striped down, take out the spark plugs and spin it over using angle drill on crank and locate the sound without the engine running noise and isolate the sound location, wherever the sound is coming from, it will be one of the parts in that area. looking at the butcher job on the bolt heads etc, I would have lean towards a bad timing chain job, or listening to the former owners comments about the exact same sound, misdiagnosed timing chain or the chain was never changed and they just chewed up some visable bolts to make it look like they were in they working, crazy thing to say I know, but seen this kind of shinanigins before, expensive timing job not carried out but take the payment. sound plasticky rubbing to me, I'd go for plastic timing guides not secure or chain tensioners not doing there job and causing chain slap on the guides. best of luck guys.
I love these diagnostic videos. An absolute headache for you guys but makes great viewing for us armchair mechanics.
You guys commenting do realise that Chris and Rob normally know what the problem is before you actually see the videos, they just ask the questions to get you involved and making comments. 😀
The more I see of modern BMWs, the more I want to keep my old E60 going forever! Good luck with this one gentlemen, I think you're going to need it (but if anyone can sort it, it'll be you two).
Ha. My e61 shat itself numerous times. Water in the spare wheel well ruined 3000 worth of computers twice, cracked it's cylinder head at 80,000 miles. Stranded me with run flats twice, wiring in the boot hinge wore through, self leveling rear suspension compressor failed 5 hours from home... Lovely car, but not reliable in the slightest. I think the newer gen ones are as unreliable as our generation
@@adejenkins crikey! You’d be better off with a mondeo - zero street cred but fairly reliable
@@adejenkins Wow, you have my sympathy! I didn't get that much hassle as I don't have an Tourer, but the water in the spare wheel well? Yeah, been there, done that! Oddly enough, I had a cracked head on my second E34. The MPM didn't cost me that much to replace on mine when it got drowned but it sounds like there's a lot more in the boot of yours, being a Tourer. Mine's now at 310,000 miles.
I had a 5 series that stated making a similar noise, turned out to be a bent fin on the water pump. Had the pump changed and the noise went away.
70.000 miles and needs a timing chain, these engines must have been made by Cadbury's!!! That's terrible for such a premium car. Great video lads..
the chains can last (if they dont stretch) but the plastic chain guides (to save Fritz a couple of euros) will degrade with time. Looks like not the issue here though.
german scrap yet people still line up to buy them because 'BMW'
Unbelievable that a 'professional' took this apart with sockets rather than the correct torx tools. I always service my cars myself because you just can't trust anyone these days.
Hi, hope you do not mind me suggesting that you try an old trick to identify the source of the noise by using a mechanics stethoscope ( even try a long screwdriver, touch any item press your ear against the end of the driver and identify bearings etc that are causing the source of the noise. ) You have a very competent engineer who is very capable and I am sure you will soon sort this.
We did bud the noise travels 👍
Maybe the noise is the lost torx socket rattling around.
A while ago I invested in an engine stethoscope - you can place the needle anywhere on the engine and hear everything. It's brilliant for locating, and identifying sounds. Worth a try if you have one.
It's not a face-lift, it is in fact the first year of manufacturing for the F30. It isn't twin turbo either. It's an N20 single turbo engine. "Twin Power Turbo" is just a BMW marketing term for a twin-scroll turbo.
Someone's put a lollipop stick in the spokes.... 😂
I've noticed that cars for sale in the local dealers aren't shifting as quickly as they were, so hopefully that means prices will return to normal(ish) levels.
Had a similar sound on a transit few years back and it was starter motor staying engaged, but what ever it is I’m sure you will find it. Keep up the good work boys 👍🏻
Very enjoyable video! The way Chris was under the bonnet at the start, I thought he'd sussed it. It added to the suspense of whether it would be fixed by the end of the video! Already looking forward to part 2!
Love this channel, diagnostics at their very best, well done guys!
My bmw e63 a while back started to make a similar noise and all it turned out to be was the oil filter had collapsed . Great channel 👍😎
My moneys on the harmonic pulley about to break which is wobbling and causing something else to vibrate maybe the timing chain guides… I’m sure you’ll get to the bottom of it as usual, fantastic videos 👌🏼
Amazing how Chris can spot something by instinct, again love the way you work together 👍👍👍👍
Gutted you didn't suss it out, but one of the reasons I love the channel. It was a fail, and you still uploaded it, just makes the second part more intriguing
I love these types of videos. Watching the thought process and trial and error - I feel like I’m almost getting an apprenticeship 😂
Turn it over with the fuel pump fuse pulled to build up pressure in the tensioner before starting, with the tension so tight before the plastic chain guide is probably worn, drain the oil & look for plastic shavings
Chris / Rob. Its a great not "whodunnit" but "Whatdidit!" Really good to watch and see you go through al l the possibilities.
Just got a new iPad and sound is so much better. Great week of videos as ever chaps and have a great weekend 😀
The timing chain guide is fouling the chain cheep chain kit the they don't fit well and vibate I could see the play in the top guide when you wound out the tension bolt there should be no movement 😉
I've been working on bmw for 20 years I know most problems why I have a 335d e90 m57 bullet proof
This is going to be interesting fellers I’m looking forward to the next episode, apart from the noise it’s a nice motor.
I love in these videos that a lot of things were supposed to be looking at are out of the camera shot. Great fun
Friday sruk is perfect... like previously commented... sit down with a beer and chill with Rob n Chris...
Have a good weekend folks
The twin turbo is a dual scroll turbo. Hence twin turbo power. The tensioners are oil pressure filled. That half moon cog is a eccentric shaft and is to to with the (vvt) variable valve timing , so the oil fed pipe just lubricates the shaft against the valvetronic motor. I’m not sure what the noise is, but would advise taking the vanos solenoids out and cleaning the with brake cleaner and resetting the vanos plates on the cams as these are oil fed and reacts with the timing so it has to be timed up perfectly
It was a heady mix of Crimewatch, Casualty and Poirot👍👍👍👍Best video yet guys👍
Chris ur a bodywork genius and now you've convinced me that you're a very good mechanic as well. Fair play to you mate
Great fun vid! Thanks guys. You never let us down 🎉
As suggested I would lean toward using a stethoscope and looking around the oil pump and sprocket when revving. Worth a try if you don't find it elsewhere. Common on the n20.
Great video lads just wish they were longer 😃 40mins be brilliant but hey ho im just glad ur making videos of great content 😃😃
Loving the BMW content, hope you buy more of them. Really interesting video, haven’t had a BM on channel for a while!
FYI. “Twin power turbo” on engine cover means it’s a twin scroll single turbo 👍🏻
Another really interesting video, thanks guys as this channel is at the top of it's game 👍
Take a leaf out of Ian Tyrells book (Tyrell's classic workshop on YT).... I think you need to get a 1/2" inner dia rubber hose, put one end up to your ear and move the other end around the running engine (put it on the ramp so you can get underneath too) this should help find the source of the noise. Apparently these engines are affectionately known as a sewing machine.
I'm taking a guess that the tensioner on the drive chain for the oil pump has failed and its rattling against it housing. Changing this means re-doing the main timing chain, do your research, not an easy job.
It's definitely a timing chain issue, whether it be the guide tensioner and even chain.
Guide definitely needs tightening and I would definitely change the tensioner.
Check the chain for any sort of damage/marking.
These engines were given extended 7yr/70,000 mile warranty pre 2015 due to timing chain issues.
Was hoping for that sound to go probably as much as you were! Top content lads as always, so intriguing to find out what it actually is.
"Everything's been apart" Not even having the correct tools to remove the reverse Torx screws makes me wonder if it actually has, especially as there's been no change in the noise. Excellent video there as ever gentlemen.
So interesting to watch and listen - thanks..
I had loads of issues with this engine previously
Firstly I would check the oil pick up in the sump for any plastic debris as the old chain tensioners may have broken up and have been pulled up and gone into the oil pump.
A common problem…
The noise sounds as it is from the front of the engine
Secondly check the timing and the vanos hubs sometimes they give a fault code and no check engine light. As the person who replaced the chain couldn’t be bothered with using the correct tools there is a chance they over looked a few things.
Thirdly investigate the bottom pulley
Another really interesting video guys. You have so much expertise and experience and seem to be able to handle anything that comes along. Thanks for all the effort you make to show us what you do.
Great Content On the Bmw 320i. Good try on Trying to find that Noise. You will find the noise eventually it will take some time. Great Team Rob and Chris and have an amazing weekend.
May be worth checking the endfloat on the crank Chris. Back in my main dealer days we had a few of these with thrust washer failure and they were making a similar kind of noise. May also explain the looks like its wobbling pulley. 👍 Good luck.
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Your comment takes me back to the Austin Morris E series 2.2 6cyl motor. Had a new one in that had so much end float on the crank that you lost the clutch on the over-run. Turned out that the thrust washers hadn’t been fitted when built. You could watch the bottom pulley move in and out as you blipped the throttle.
4:29 Anyone else reckon that the second set of photos when the vehicle was on sale in 07-20 where taken at a Copart yard? It looks a lot like a Copart forklift/loader in the background of a Copart loading area.
Yes definitely Copart, lot no. is on the screen. Other photos are at a dealer. Rob seemed to ignore that it's been through Copart. I'm guessing he's saving that info for another video. They're drip feeding the information to keep you watching
Another great video I am sure you will get this one sorted out Good editing Rob
Ace vid, love the part with Chris using the power ratchet to remove the rocker cover in time lapse
I’m probably way off, but the sound reminded me of the things we did to our bikes back in the 80’s to make them sound like a motorbike 🤣
We’d tape a piece of card to the rear frame so that the card would hit the spokes and make a noise.
Could it be as simple as something like a piece of plastic trim hitting the fan? If not I bet it’s something you’d laugh at when you do find out what it is.
Timing chain failure is a known issue on this engine and was the subject of a class action lawsuit in the US. I think the timing chain guides are also prone to failure.
I can just imagine the conversation when rob got home Claire says “ why do you always have to pop out when my mums around “ been there done exactly the same rob 😂😂😂😂😂 nice car can’t wait to see the work on it. Look a nice little earner. 👍 could be cam chain tensioner not lined up properly and catching.
Chris is just a genius. You can see him look at an engine and you know he’s thinking of all the possibilities
I would check for excessive end float in the crank, you will need to drop the oil pump out to check it but I have had that similar noise on this engine before and it turned out to be excess end float causing it. BM tech.
Engine faults make an interesting video. I'd say re-do the timing chain, looks like it was a botch job.
Hi Rob, Thanks for the thumbs up on my part of Kent, Gravesend does sound like a rubbish name but get out into the green parts either side of the A2 and it is lovely.
Doesn’t matter how many videos it takes or how long they are, always entertaining! Have a nice weekend chaps!
Howzit guys. So I bought a 2008 e90 323i. The engine is in a state. But I have the same noise.
On the side of the engine by the chain tensioner you removed. Slightly above it is two vanos filters.
Mine was glogged up so badly and that would also have the vanos solonoids to not get enough oil pressure and might make same noise.
Best way is to remove right front wheel and front wheel arch half and then access them from that side.
Thanks.
Hold the rev at 3rpm for 3min and you should get rid of ticking noise
Intriguing I look forward to seeing you fix it I alas cannot help u as don't know much about engineering but love watching the videos
Removing the aux belt does not elimenate the crank pulley from being the issue as its the one pulley still in motion. Enjoyed this one.
Given the job clearly wasn't done professionally and whoever did it, didn't even change the tensioner, I reckon it has broken chain guides.
Yes they should have been changed along with the chain, but what can be seen at the top doesn't look new..
I like Chris explaining or giving his ideas but personally find it frustrating when rob butts in or interrupts Chris when Chris is talking.
Just give him a second to stop or not to talk over each other!
Otherwise another good video 👌
We’re talking between ourselves and filming it this is how we roll every day. Not to be rude this is the comments section maybe we should open a complaints department comments like yours really are frustrating you got free content on a plate 3 times a week yet still feel the need to criticise and moan 🤷♂️
Hi Chris, "Twin Turbo" in BMW marketing speak means single turbo, but twin scrolls/inlets. Same on N55 and B58 straight 6. It has been the same marketing talk for a decade now. My F30 N55 engine was also making strange pulley noises at 40k miles, just before I sold it 4y ago, there seems to be a common issue with the auxiliary belt tensioners. Best of luck to get rid of this annoying noise ! 👍
N20 known for whine coming from oil pump. It has its own chain, pullies and tensioner. There are also problems with noise coming from harmonic balancer shaft. Water pump is electric so worth checking that out for noise also. A length of hose pipe jammed in one ear to locate the area where the noise is coming from should be your next step!
My first thought was the timing chain rubbing against the plastic guide.
wish this was a hour long! Happy Friday lads!
Great video and you will soon get it sorted out, hope it's not too expensive to sort out
another great video......Chris will get to the bottom of it and fix it....the man is worth his weight in gold....
Going on from Chris's thought about a longer bolt being put in where a shorter bolt went, is there any metal filings in the oil?
Is there any sign on the front face of the timing chain link pins?
Is it worth removing the front bolts and checking for sign of a clash?
If not then clean the front of the chain and put blue marker ink on the link pins, let it dry and index on to see if the ink shows any scratches.
I’m thinking they never changed that timing chain! Great video as usual gents.
Great watch guys thank you, am sure you will sort it out, peace ✌️.
That sound reminds me of when I was a kid, using a peg and a playing card on my bike frame / wheel spokes to make it sound like a motorbike, great vid as usual.
It’s Friday 5 o’clock uesd to be crackerjack but now I’m 60 it’s salvage rebuilds uk with Chris& rob😁 look forward to the next video.👍👍👍
I'd like to see how many cabbages Rob could hold without dropping one though he it too young to know what that meant!
Hard day , just home , now , relax with you lads !!!
The last BMW you had on the channel got the better of you both, don't let this one be the same. Great work I'm sure yous will get to the bottom of it
Good tip about removing the auxiliary belt to eliminate a lot of sources, seems like the whole jobs been a lash up, at least the timing chain is at the front on this BMW lads.
I'm glad there's a part 2....its better than peaky blinders this!!...😎
I am with Chris it does sound more plasticity rather than metallic. You have released the tensioner so that problem is solved. We couldn't really see (too dark) but was anything touching the chain that shouldn't be? I only ask because that cover wasn't put on very well, rounded bolts, is it deformed? It is worth checking the turbo as well although the noise doesn't sound like the turbo is 'toast', definitely something that spins though I would say rather than internal. I am 'old school ' so we didn't have all that plastic back in the day but thats how it is now. Thanks again Rob and Chris for another interesting video. Hope you have a great weekend. 👍 👍
Wastegate actuator link.
Twin power turbo refers to a twin scroll turbocharger, which is one turbo with a two stage wheel inside. The first part is light and enables a quick spool and the second stage spins up at the top end of the rev range for maximum POWEERRRRRR 👍🏼
I always enjoy these diagnostic videos 👍
Hi, Great video. It sounds like a turbo noise to me??? Engine and transmission noises are notoriously difficult to diagnose. I remember once 35 years ago basically dismantling my Ford Cortina to find the source of a transmission whine. it turned out to be a rear wheel bearing. The noise travelled up through the axle / diff and prop shaft into the gearbox. Good luck, I look forward to hearing of the root cause.
I think that sounds like the chain rubbing on a defective, or incorrectly fitted, guide, it's got that metal on plastic sound about it. BMW has had many issues with chains and guides on various engines. at least it is not an N47 engine where the chain is located at the back of the engine! Great video
Yep that guide is the problem I bet
Another great vid guys,so interesting and longer videos the better.
Now I loved that video, seriously interesting diagnosis... Thanks
Looking forward to part 2 of the diagnosis guys. Judging by the damage I'd probably drop a new chain cassette in to be on the same side. If it was making the noise before the chain 'replacement' and still made it afterwards, was it actually swapped at all? Just thinking out loud...
This shows just how far BMW has fallen. Timing chain replacement needed, and horrible noises on a 70,000 mile engine. They used to be barely run in at this mileage. Another German manufacturer living off a reputation for quality engineering that it hasn't really deserved for 20 years.
Totally agree. Absolutely ridiculous.
Just watching after Tottenham did us 5-1,your a great tonic in these distressing times.
You're gonna get a lot of views on this one guys!
Utterly fascinating 😃
Can't wait until the next episode!
Use a stethoscope on the turbo assembly first then the rest of the engine to locate the noise
Hello Rob and Chris. Another excellent video. Sorry l can’t give any advice on what the issue is but I know you two will sort it out.
Thank you for taking the time to upload another video. Ged
238k people expecting a different ending!! Keep up the awesome work guys, love the channel.