Ventless Dryer Pros & Cons
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- A ventless dryer is perfect if you have limited installation options, whether in a hall closet, under a kitchen counter, or in a cabinet in your second-floor bedroom. These compact little appliances are lifesavers when you want convenient washing but don’t have a lot of space to work with-or can’t run a traditional vent outside. They’re all-electric, super-efficient, and gentle on clothes. They have a lot going for them. You may have heard that these European inventions are somewhat lacking compared with traditional vented American dryers. Like most things, it depends on what your wants and expectations are. In this video, we’re going to walk through the pros and cons of ventless dryers as well as the top model we recommend for most people.
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0:00 - Ventless Dryer Overview
1:40 - Pros of Ventless Dryers (Install Flexibility, Better on Clothes, Save Money)
3:51 - Condenser vs Heat Pump Ventless Dryers
4:32 - Best Ventless Dryer
5:38 - Ventless Dryer Cons (Cycle Times, Capacity & Cost)
6:53 - Conclusion
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Asko
Do the miele washers and dryers break down often like normal washers/dryers? I have a miele vacuum and love it but seems washer/dryers just arent built like they used to though miele might be since they are German built. thanks for reply ahead of time!
@@dlmurray55 Miele number one in Europe.
For those who aren't sure how ventless dryers work, here'a a short summary:
They're air conditioners.
No, seriously. They're heat-exchangers. Their whole method of drying is to take heat from the ambient air, pump it into the tub, and rapid-dehumidify the clothing with the condenser. Which is Slightly backwards to how a normal condenser/evaporator assembly works, but yeah, it's a thing. They can take a bit longer, but if you've got an all-in-one, this is honestly sort of a no-brainer, as you can start a load, leave the house for work or for errands, and by the time you come home, the load will be both washed AND dried, and will have had to use a LOT less energy to do it. Compressor pumps use a not insignificant amount of power, but it's WAY less than the power used by a glow rod, and can be a lot more efficient than burning natural gas as well. Which might not be representative to the individual, but it speaks to the broader rate of consumption, with the typical heat pump system running at roughly a ratio of between 2.5 and 4 times more efficient than burning gas directly to generate heat in the home. It's also energy agnostic, so if you supplement your power with solars, or your city's power plant changes to a different type of power plant, i.e. nuclear, wind turbine, hydroelectric, solar farm, etc, you're still using the exact same electricity. But glow rods are energy agnostic too, aren't they? Well, yes, but they are built to Generate heat. Heat pumps are only there to move heat around. And since the condenser of an all-in-one likely runs condensed water out the drain hose, you're also dehumidifying your home in the process. It effect, it's taking heat out of the air in your house, putting it in the air in the machine, and bob's your uncle.
And if you don't think it's possible to take heat from a 70 degree room and pump it into a dryer to dry clothes at much higher temperatures, I feel I should point you to your freezer, a device which does the exact same thing in reverse, taking heat out of a box(the fridge half) at 40 degrees and dumping it into your 70-ish degree room.
Alec Watson over at Technology Connections here on CZcams has a lot of videos about heatpumps, including reversible heat pumps which, like these dryers, use the same technology as an AC to heat your home by taking heat out of freezing air outside in order to reliably blow hot air into your house. And these heat pumps are starting to pop up in other things as well, including Water Heaters. No sense in relying entirely on a glow rod to heat your water, or a gas furnace, when you can run your hot water heater and, in the process of doing so, mildly cool your home AND reduce humidity in your house, and given water heaters are usually in high-moisture environments like musty basements, that can only be a good thing.
LG, Samsung, Bosch, AEG + more manufacturers of heat pump dryers disagree with your explanation on how their product works. But I'm sure someone somewhere have made a heat pump dryer the way you describe. And heat pump dryers have been around for more than a decade in Europe, and they work, and normally uses 1/5 of the energy compared to a off the shelf ventet dryer for the US market. And a upgrade for a condensing to a heat pump dryer is big when it comes to the heat that is released to the room/apartment/house.
“Short” smh
@@lazeemtaylor9949 I was able to read it in under a minute. Sounds like the real problem is your ADD brain.
@@JoppeOSL he got it almost right but a tiny detail is bit unique about heat pump dryer. It actually does all the heat exchange within it self. A heatpump always has 2 end, one end cold, one end hot, like your AC hv a compresser unit in summer emitting hot air outside and the cold end which cools your room. The heatpump dryer works as: the inner air go through hot end → hot dry air pass ur laundry, takes moisture → hot wet air goes to the cold end, release moisture as condensation → cold dry air goes to hot end and pass ur cloth again.
So the beauty of it is that it utilize both end of the heat pump, with just 1 compressor. making it a really high efficient system. Inevitably the system will emit some minor heat due to electricity works / heat transfer through its shell but they don't really interfere too much with the ambient at all. Even AC/Fridge/water heater is not that beautifully designed as most of the time the heat/cold you get from opposite side is wasted into ambient.
Prob the only draw back is the price tag and it requires a rougly minimum 5C (40F) working room temperature so prob not suitable for outside/garage. But its low power and ventless you can really just put it anywhere inside ur house.
Why do these modern washer and dryer’s continually start and stop
( clothes tumble for let’s say 30 seconds and then it stops. After another 30 seconds, it starts tumbling again. This routine goes on for a long time.
I went with a Whirlpool heat vent dryer. Was already used to longer wash cycles on my front load washer, so didn't take much to get used to the dryer. Was amazed how WAY much less lint and how much softer clothes come out, and after 3 months already see lower electrify bills
Very helpful video thank you
Thanks for the pros and cons
Thanks, I am thinking to install in garage,
Was bit confused either to choose ventless drier or indoor vent box
Good tips, I appreciate this series...I'm assuming you can't get a ventless gas dryer? I have a weird laundry area and was looking at a lot of ducting to create a vent.
So glad to view this video! I am deciding between the Asko T208HW vs. the Miele TXI680WP dryers. Which brand is more reliable? Which dryer would be shorter in duration for the same amount of clothes? I presently have the Bosch ventless (NOT heat pump) dryer, and it takes 2 hrs 30min to dry towels--and sometimes, the towels are still damp and then smell bad if left in the dryer for a little bit of time. I am desperate to pick another set of washer and dryer to purchase ASAP. Thanks for your help.
Miele WXD160 + Miele TXD160 = 2900$. Dry up to 5 kg/11 lbs. Towels 90 minutes = 1 kWt, cotton,linen 60 minutes...it's by. Synthetic 7 lbs 30 minutes. With us washer 12.04.22, dryer 28.05.22.
Very helpful thanks! I came here after finding out my new house washer/dryer closet is about 32" so i have to limit myself to smaller machines and was interested in what Miele can bring to the table and what vented/ventless is all about.
Miele class. Buy you won't regret it. Washer + Dryer.
Thank you so much
I have limited room, currently have an LG combo washer and dryer but looking to replace with separate for time saving. Do you know when the LG Wash Tower ventless option will be available?
Better buy Miele or Asko.
You missed tbat euro appliances are ciunter height. So easy to squeeze in a kitchen and ALL heights match, allowing for brands mix and match. (Line drying team. I used my combo washer dryer only exceptionally as a dryer. At. Most a partial load every 20 wash loads)
Does the LG Washtower Ventless Dryer have to drain out water? If so, where does the water go?
Is there a vented all in one? I can vent, but have limited space and like the idea of the one cycle wash/dry.
I know LG has it!
So does GE
I rent an apartment where I don't have anything outside a 120V plug. I also don't think I would be able to tap into a water pipe.
Everything I dry is hang dry on the shower rod. My biggest issue is not being able to use dryer sheets for dog fur.
The funny thing is I have a full size venter dryer in the rental. Just no place to plug it in.
I'm open to any suggestion on what my options are.
I'm looking for one because I have a tendency to forget I've put stuff in the washer. When I rediscover them few days later the smell moisture and its hard to get the smell off. Can the all in one washer/dryer do a wash then dry in one super cycle without manual intervention?
They can, however it takes a lot longer to dry and uses water during the drying process, so both your electrical and water bills will go up significantly. They also leave clothes far more creased, and you can only dry half of the rated washing capacity to give them room to tumble.
What about deep cleaning the condenser or sump pump (which Bosch dryer has)? On CZcams I saw someone cleaning the sump pump in the Bosch and it was certainly not easy. He recommended this deep clean be done every 3 months.
What is the sump pump?
@@flegara When the machine condenses water, it drips into a sump. When the sump is full, a pump activates and the water gets pumped into the drawer (or outside, if your machine has that option).
Assure the moist air doesn’t escape the removeable filters and no lint will ever get onto the evaporator coil or into the sump. Most filters have a poor seal. Fix that and life is good.
What kind of ventless dryer can i use that doeant have to be conected to plumbing?
Most ventless dryers have a condensation chamber you empty manually if it's not connected to plumbing. If you have a portable washer that you roll over to a faucet to run, you could manually empty the condensation chamber into the sink as well.
all of them
First buy a combo washer drier. I love my ventless drier oh and yes mine has a heatpump and dries the clothes better than a standard drier.
HI , we have a limited space (a closet ) should we consider heat pump Dryer or Condenser dryer if we would like to make sure that the closet will not be warm and full of humidity / steam ? thanks
Nobody answered your question and I'd like to know the answer too!
You only need heat pump.
I've seen many comments that talk about the humidity. That would be my issue since it's a basement area and doesn't need anymore humidity. I couldn't imagine a small space being good for humidity.
How wide is the TXi680?
We’re currently in a 3 bedroom 2 bath apartment. I’m wanting to use one restroom as our “laundry room” because with two baby girls it’s tough to keep going to the laundry mat! We’re not suppose to have a washer and dryer but we’re planning on staying here for a while and I’m just a tired mom whose exhausted! lol do you think this would work for us?
It is my understanding that many ventless dryers you need to clean the condenser on a very regular basis - like every 20 loads. Exception is the LG compact dryer which uses water from the load to clean the condenser. You still need to check it regularly, but it stays clean through the use of water on the condenser. Even in that case you have to add a liter of water through the vent on the system every 20 loads to help clean it out. Still appreciate this review although it misses that key maintenance fact. Also, times are impacted by how warm your room the dryer is. If it is 70, the dyer can take 2 to 2 and a half hours for a comforter, and 90 minutes for a regular load of clothes.
W/D Combo? Do you recommend and if so, which ones. What are the pros and cons of W/D Combos? Thank you for your feedback.
We recommend combo washers and dryers for RV's and small rentals, some models are good for everyday use. We explain everything about these combo units in our blog article (you'll also find pros and cons): www.designerappliances.com/blog/washer-dryer-combos/. Hope that helps!
@@DesignerAppliances Thank you 😊
Do they come with gas dryers
Can you wash a queen size comforter in the WXI680?
You can! Watch our video on Miele Washers and Dryers for more info: czcams.com/video/qm7ZhiU2jYM/video.html
Con with my LG ventless is the amount lint left behind, which is a lot and super annoying.
Is the lint left on the clothes or just more lint in The filter
So, in the winter time, I throw my robe in the dryer to heat it up in the morning. With a heat pump dryer, would the robe get warm?
No. It takes the ambient temperature from the room to dry your clothes. So it would take a very long time if the room is cold. These work best when the temperature is about 70 in the room so there is enough heat in the room to make it work. Any colder and takes longer.
can you get a ventless that does not have a steamer?
Whats a steamer? I have 3 heatpump dryers and have never heard of them having a steamer
Hi, in the UK here. Stick with vented. They dry the clothes far better. Ventless or as we call condenser driers, take ages and don't dry your clothes as well. Also ventless require some ventilation, not as much as a ventless, but the suggestion is to leave a window open as they still get hot and create humidity.
If you read the manual it will tell you the airflow rate, so thats the amount of heat been pump to the outside of your house per minute wich is replaced by cold air to be heated to keep it at the temp that your stat is set at
For people that don’t have an option to vent , this is a great option.
Miele, condensation class A. The Best of the Best! We have with 28.05.2022 model TXD160. 120 volt, 1100 watts.
The humidity ventless washer/dryer create would be mold issue?
@@mailtojarriya Of course, an exhaust/draft is needed. The main thing is that energy consumption is 0,5 kWatt per cycle. The laundry dries very carefully, does not shrink. After 5 years, all expenses will pay off, and Miele will work for 15-20 years. Hello from California.
What do u use to cover the hole where the old dryer vent hose was?
I closed it with a plastic box of sour cream.
Stuffed mine with insulation so next owner can use either
Lol I would love a vented dryer but we literally don't have a choice the landlord refuses to install ducts in the home. So it has to be ventless.
my steam is not going to the tray
The footprint area of the dryer is actually 4 square feet not 2 square ft. - 2 ft by 2 ft is 4 sq. ft.
She also said "120v or 240v and I think she meant "110 or 220."
I want to see someone emptying the water out of the dryer.
Hello Americans... Europe here.
The so called 'Ventless Driers' use a ton less energy, so are slightly better for the planet.
We only care about ourselves you communist.
Yeah but it leaves the clothes damped. These dryers are $hit. It also takes like 3 full cycles to dry them. Ridiculous
Just moved in a house with ventless dryer . I cleaned the lint filter , checked everything to make there were no obstruction as it takes a normal load 2 hours to dry . It turns out to be an energy guzzler of the worst kind .
Its not so much that it use ton less energy but a vented dryer will pump out about 150 cubic meter of air from your house per minute so if used for 1 hour thats 9000 cubic meter of warm air from your nice warm house in the winter which have to be replaced, that could be like leaving the front door open while the central heating is on
Heat pump takes half of even 3/4th less energy than a condensed and vented one so the extra money you pay is earned back with your energy bill.
I would recommend getting a vented dryer & hire a dryer vent specialist to clean, repair or install a vent line.
you need 220v wiring.
My grandmother she self true story ? I know ...
Until today i didn't know dryers are vented too. Interesting.
You don't save any money ....!!!!
I don't like it, I am American, no euro socialist appliances in my home… I want them loud, hot, cheap, and poorly made
"I don't like an ugly vent on the front of my house" Better go with a mostly overall more expensive, energy inefficient and polluting option instead... My goodness. "Most Europeans use vent less dryers" Never EVER seen one in my life and only just found out about them from an American video.. "They use less energy all around" Not true, depends on your climate, if you live in a cold climate sure but if you live in a temperate climate not true, and if you live in a hot climate idk, not sure you would even want to use an active dryer in a hot climate especially if your air is dry like desert air. Weirdly bad, confusing and misleading video for a channel called "Appliances" like what??. Edit: Actually thinking about it, most American dryers use gas don't they so a vent-less dryer in the US are actually less polluting I guess because they use Electricity instead and a more efficient heat pump than terrible gas dryers...
I lived in Germany for six years. I saw few dryers, but they were becoming more common. European wash machines I saw spin clothes very fast, so clothes are mostly just damp after washing. Most people there simply hung their clothes to dry. We had an AEG heat pump dryer that worked very well and used far less electricity than our modern US 30 amp vented dryer uses.