At that point she's willing working with the people who tortured them so at that point she is not his mom that is not something a mom would ever do at that
"But you didn't have to cut me off Make out like it never happened and that we were nothing And I don't even need your love But you treat me like a stranger and that feels so rough"
@@CRAZYKNIFER300HD And she joined them anyway... Your point falls flat on its face when you realized she joined the same organization that tortured her son. She's an entitled bitch who doesn't care about what they wanted.
Natural Being, okay slow down . The generalization of groups is never something that should be easily done. So go back to the first thought and really think about what you said. Because your comment sound really sexist to me and I think that maybe you should think about this comment and think about how you can actually lose a lot of respect of people by making comments of generalizations.
I feel like Mary is forgetting the fact that because of her they literally grew up fighting for their lives. And she has the audacity to feel like she's the victim.
She had no choice but to sell her soul to bring John back to life. They were forced together by a cupid and if John had died Sam and Dean wouldn't have been born, therefore the apocalypse wouldn't have begun. God forced her to do that, she was just a pawn on the chess board like everyone else, being forced into the story that Chuck wanted.
That's the kind of respect you earn. Dean & Sam have been through everything together and in many ways only had each other as friends growing up. Dean would do anything for Sam & vice versa. Hence why Sam lets Dean take the reins in this situation because he'll support Dean regardless.
When Mary says "same as always... family" to Dean's question of where this leaves them, Dean looks down and to his left. To Sam. To his family. The condescending tone she uses with Sam is why I could never like her as a character and why I think Dean is so upset in this scene. Sam never had a mom and Dean just wants her to fill that void for his little brother and she doesn't do it. Dean's face when Sam mentions broken ribs and burned feet breaks my heart.
IKR!!!!! THAT TONE! THAT TONE OF VOICE SHE USES WITH SAMMY IS WHAT I DON’T LIKE! And made me think “what the hell is her problem? Why she speaking to him like that?” Like Bish change your tone when speaking to your Son who has never had a Mother before You’d think with her not being able to be there for Sam at least a little like she was for Dean in his four years at the beginning SHES try everything to spend time with him and GET TO KNOW HIM! Get to know Dean as well!!!! I mean you’re their Mother and you’re sad you missed 33 years of their life but I don’t see you doing anything to make up for that time....you’re their Mother you’re not suppose to push them away, or avoid them, or not talk to them for a long time, or lie to them about something as serious as this...you’re suppose to be there with them and FOR them
@@namreimungkhamrang9557 How many times have Sam and Dean worked with people they hated and tried to kill and kill them? Crowley, Lucifer, Meg, Ruby, etc. Mary is working with humans, people trying to make the world a better place. Sure, they tortured Sam and tried to kill them, but so have most of their allies
@@deadpooldan9862 they don't work with Crowley for fun or Meg or Ruby, they have had to suck it up to prevent the end of the world. Mary joined them because Brits did their whole marketing stuff and Mary bought their bullcrap. I mean every time Sam and Dean work with bad guys, they actually know they can't trust them and they never see them as allies. Mary was defending Brits, atleast Ruby never tried to kill Sam, always helped, hell even pretended to sacrifice herself for the boys but still it was one of the worst mistakes of Sam's life. That's why Mary is in the wrong here
@@MaheshSharma-fo9lj wow, so the fact that Sam also sucked up to the Brits means nothing? After he was tortured? At least the Brits were genuinely trying to make the world a better place. Mary’s not in the wrong, and neither are Sam and Dean.
@@deadpooldan9862 Sam never trusted the Brits, he never joined them. Brits are not doing anything nice, they had Mick Davis kill his friend when he was a kid to prove their loyalty. Brits murder monsters without even realizing that maybe they can be cured or given a chance. Mary is in the wrong because she was defending those people who tortured her sons, her sons! Sam working is not that worse but a mother working with same people who tortured her sons is worse. Mary never tried to be with them, all they needed was some simple gestures, all they wanted was Mary to just love them in a mom way but she was too busy working with Brits. Brits can kill innocent people as long as they get what they want, that's not making better, that's ruling the world under the fear of gun
so i love how dean first let’s sam talk to mary try to reason with her but once sam realized it was over he stopped and let dean just hit her where it hurts
Sam has always been better at the talking part, and trying tonsee the reasoning behind everything. Dean is the enforcer. Once sam stops talking and he hasnt tried to reason with dean, who quite literally is one of the two people left alive that is able to make him see reason, he steps up to speak on how it's going to go. I love their dynamic.
@@jjs1300000 but in season 14 John sort of made up for it and I really loved that episode. John who was not or ever will be father of any year got to see his boys. All big and grown. Looking at the men he laid the foundation for being heroes. And saying that he is proud of the men they came to be and not taking any credit for how they became. And even when they had 2 options John chose to go back to his time instead of staying there with Sam, Dean and Mary in that temporal paradox timeline. That episode imo kind of, to me gave both Sam and Dean the closure they needed from there dad who in the beginning was never there and hellbent on killing yellow eyes
"I am not just a mom" Exact EXACT same mentality John had. The purpose justifies the means and all that.Its worth sacrificing anything, even family for a greater purpose. I feel so bad for Sam and Dean They thought they would finaly have a parent they can count on and then they got female John
at least john had the decency to admit how lacking of a a father he was when he apologized to sam, sam understood why john made them that way so they would be able to protect themselves from supernatural beings and to toughen them up...john far from a perfect father but if it wasn't for him the boys wouldn't have the skills and mentality on how to save people and the world
@@vladeousj9923 well John grew, he make he's mistakes and with the years he understand. Mary not, i dont have the data but she have the same age of the boys or even younger
When Sam (the voice of reason) told her she should go I felt that. This was probably one of my favorite scenes in Supernatural history. We’ve waited 12 freaking seasons to see Dean and Sam (more Dean) TALK to his mother and to see the betrayal on his face. Jensen and Jared did such a good job!!
When Dean says "just try and be a mom" it breaks me every time. The poor guy has been through so much carp and he just wants a parent. He is a man who just desperately wants his mother to be his mother. It hurts.
This is why I didn’t really like Mary. She almost got them all killed, got Wally killed, and almost Cas. She really didn’t act like a mom, she was very selfish in this. And I think everything Dean told her she had coming.
Ikr like she has no right to promise to ruin the British men of letters when she’s the reason they almost died. I mean if she even cared for them at all she would’ve immediately given back what she stole from that Demon Prince instead of..you know ACTING LIKE SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
LegitAllyson the fact is that Supernatural wasn’t very good with her character development SPOILER ALERT 🚨 IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN SEASON 15 OF SUPERNATURAL DO NOT READ It’s like EVERY TIME she realized she was basically neglecting and avoiding Dean and Sam SHE WOULDN’T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE UP FOR IT AFTER REALIZING IT! She would just keep doing the same thing again, avoiding and neglecting her kids by going on hunts all the time never making up for her mistakes and it’s just Supernatural did a stupid move by killing her off without giving her ANY sort of character development whatsoever
Natalia Washington I think they should of brought John back instead of Mary or maybe Adam dean and Sam hafe brother since Adam also would of been a men of letters...
No she dint act like a mom...she acted like a hunter....one who would anything to protect her sons.....a lot like dean has done in the past.....if john had more screen time I reckon he and sam would have similar characteristics.
I feel like Sam backed up Dean in part because Dean is the one who raised him & supported him, not Mary. The loyalties of family lie within the brothers in a profound way & Mary hasn't proven herself to be there for them through thick & thin the way that Sam & Dean have with one another.
Yep. I mean John was still around in the beginning but not nearly as much as Dean, who was there for his brother 24/7. I kinda feel like sam had a lot of "dads" growing up. He had John and then Dean cared for him and so did Bobby. Sam feels like he owes Dean because, as much as Bobby and sometimes John were there for him, Dean was there no matter what
She’s actually proven herself to be the opposite. Literally working with the people that tortured your own son and lying about it to them. I just can’t even with her character.
I loved when he put her in her place so much and was SO angry when he apologized later on in the episode like NOOO why are you apologizing you did nothing wrong!
Mary was another version of Dean(since they have so much in commen)which stands up for herself!I didn't see anything bad with that!it just that she was so silly
Mary is similar to Dean only in some mannerisms. That's it. He loves people he considers family and would never give up on them. Mary did that countless times.
Mary is just awful. She doesn’t care about “her” boys. If she did she would’ve turned away from the British. In my opinion Jody is their mother figure and Bobby is their dad. Then again I wasn’t surprised looked how Samual treated Sam and Dean when he returned. She is just like him maybe a little worse
@@altinaykor364 hmm let's see. Mary made a deal with a demon to bring John back and for this she allowed the demon to do something to Sam. She got 10 years to tell John the truth and to do something against this deal. Samuel made a deal with crowley and was ready to let the boys die in order to bring Mary back to live. As you can see they both would sacrifice everything to save their love ones, doesn't matter what the consequences are.
@@BlacKFightZ Mary didn't know her consequences will be on Sam!and if she had to tell John about bringing him back to life,she should also tell him about hunting,demons and...as well!Samuel on the other hand,first to bring his daughter back,lied to boys and made them work for Crowley!but even after that secret was reveled,he continued to just crossing over them and did somethings worse than keeping secret!
@@altinaykor364 she didn't know ? The yellow eye told her to not to come in Sammy's room after 10 years ?. She know what could happen and still she made a deal. Did she thought the yellow would just say hello to sam ? It's common sense that he had evil plans for sam and still she did nothing in this 10 years. She knows a demon will come in 10 years in her house and this demon killed john. Her duty was to tell john the truth, because she cannot hide this truth for ever when the supernatural thing comes in their house. When she just told him what will happen in 10 years, they could prepare to kill the yellow eyes or to save sam. Doesn't when she had to tell him the stuff about hunting and demons, he will know it soon or later, but this woman was focused on her normal and perfect live. She was like samuel selfish and literally sacrificed one of her boys to save john. She is like her father. And later she worked together with the British men of latter who tortured her sons. And what about the case where cas almost died ? Who put the boys on board and let them work for the British men of latter without knowing them ? Right mary. Who died and almost died? Right this hunter and cas. Yep she is not like her father.
@@altinaykor364 making a deal with a demon who just wanted to come in her sons room, instead of taking her soul is never good. Every person with a brain knows that.
I know for a fact that if my mom met people that tortured me they’d wouldn’t come out with a pulse Children may grow up but you never stop being a parent period.
Yeah like, I don’t HATE Mary. I think she’s been than John in MOST aspects…but she knew that Sam was tortured, and she expected them to just get over it, and then she has the audacity to accuse Dean of being childish because he wanted her to act like a mother. IT’S HER JOB
@@supernaturalforever4716 let’s be fair, Sam and Dean end up friends with people who torture them all the time, so Mary doing it isn’t all that out of the ordinary for a Winchester, plus they were VERY manipulative Edit: I use the term “friends” loosely, they team up with them all the time
@@Gohan9112 yeah, but their NOT children, and it’s hard for her to reconcile the fact that, biologically, their older than her and she missed their ENTIRE lives. She’s taking time to adjust and trying to make the world safe FOR them, even if that means working with the BMOL
Not only is the "I never was" but that moment when she first says it, and Dean says "ah", it was like yup there's the other shoe I was waiting to drop.
And then when she says Sam at the end, Bruh, of course Sam is going to side with Dean, as Dean is the only parent Sam has had his whole life. The one who has always been there. This whole scene is gold and I think the best of the whole damn series.
"Same as always family" I might be in the minority on this but Dean, Sam, and Cas are a family and I don't consider Mary Family sorry. I know she's their mom and everything but still.
Well let's see. Dean *raised* Sam. Cas is Dean's only friend that came back and is also the one who brought Sam from the cage. meanwhile... Their mother went behind their back and started contacting the same people that tortured her children, and then when Dean felt betrayed, she has the goddamn nerve to say "You are not a child" to him knowing he *never* had a childhood because of her. Knowing that she was the catalyst for *everything* bad that happened to both him, and Sam.(and this is all just in this one episode, mind you) Yeah, that isn't family.
Dean and sam have been through some really, really... really... bad shit. They know a lot more then Mary, who stopped being a hunter young. So if they are sketchy, I would be too.
Sad thing was Dean’s right he never had a childhood, and he tried to give Sam one too especially since Sam never even knew their Mother-never had a relationship with her like Dean did, which is why Dean hated when Sam asked about stuff that might lead to him knowing about Hunting which he wanted to keep from Sam a little longer so he could retain that innocence for just a little while longer...of course that backfired and Sam found out eventually
"How about for once you just try and be a mom?!" Mary is the most selfish character in the show. She should have never come back. She did nothing but being trouble.
I literally just saw the episode for this a couple days ago and I'm still in shock. I knew at some point everything would be revealed but my heart wasn't prepared for it. The betrayal of Mary... and the worst thing was seeing how heartbroken the boys are. Dean thought their mom had maybe been hiding something but Sam didn't really suspect anything so it was an even bigger shock for him, especially since the British Men of Letters tortured Sammy so horrifically. The bits which really get me are when Dean says "I never was" and when he says the word "Mary" because you know at that point that the hurt and betrayal cuts so deep - he would never ever talk to his mom like that unless he was not just hurt, but heartbroken. And you can tell Sammy is hurt when even he says for his mom to leave at the end - he shows solidarity with Dean. It is interesting how Sammy is just really struggling to process everything at first whereas Dean is struggling but also then takes the lead as the older brother and sticks up for the both of them. He really tells everyone how he is feeling and how he just wants a mom again - the thing is, Sam doesn't remember his mom from childhood whereas Dean does and so to be let down after loving her so much as a child, and throughout life, is even worse. However, don't get me wrong, considering how Mary died in the first episode, I do have a lot of sympathy for her wanting to make sure no-one else has to suffer like that - it does make sense why she would team up with the British Men of Letters... but to team up with them even after the torture and without telling them was pretty bad. Granted, she would never team up with the same person who tortured Sammy but still... in all that time that she was working with them, she could have been catching up with Sam and Dean's life rather than spending time with strangers. The amount of times that Sam and Dean have dreamt of getting their mother back... I doubt they would have thought it would go like this! Also, on another note, Mary is lucky that Cass didn't die because there is no coming back from that! And now I've just written an essay, haha. All of that aside, kudos to Jensen, Jared and Samantha for executing this scene so well!
Castiel is Dean's best friend, and Sam's friend they were afraid of losing. Castiel they consider him a brother, he is more part of their family to Dean and Sam.Mary even though she's their mother, she wasn't really a good mother.
Dean wasn’t going to let her off w/the lame excuses she was trying. They tortured his brother. Worse, they nearly got his Cas killed. Neither is something he can forgive.
the fact that even though sam has never had his mom in his life and wants it he will always stand with dean bc it's dean that raised him, the only person he can trust and he knows just how much this hurt dean😩
What she is really saying, is that she doesn't believe that they are good hunters. Also she knows that they kidnapped and tortured Sam, and Dean would never strust someone who did that. She KNOWS, just doesn't care.
Mary: I'm doing this for you... I'm playing 3 decades of catch up here!! Dean: And we're not? How do you think this has been for us? We're you're son's, and you've been gone... Our WHOLE lives, you've been gone... Too powerful of a scene, a grown son who never got the chance to be a kid and live a normal human life FINALLY letting go of how he felt having to raise his baby brother, protect him and provide for him practically by himself. Truly cuts deep. Sam love's his big brother very much
It might sound bad but I love how dean always ,and only speaks out for Sam. He didn't speak out for himself. He did for Sam and Cas. Especially when sam kept quiet .
The fact that as a mother, she would even so much as associate herself with people who did the things that the British Men Of Letters did to her sons, and then act as though she has to right to talk down the them (notice the condescending tone, specifically towards Sam for some reason) and be angry because they feel hurt by this sudden revelation that their mother is fraternizing with their enemies, fills me with rage. And then to say that she is a mother but not just a mom, makes me so upset because every devoted and loving mother I know would agree that before anything else, come their kids and their role as a mother in those children’s lives. Maybe she never got to watch her kids grow up nor did she get the chance to form a proper bond, but that’s her own fault. Everything Dean said here was right, and he makes the proper point simply by saying that heartbreaking line “I never was” in response to her “You are not a child” showcases just how *well* she knows them. I’m currently still trekking through the show and trying to find the time and energy to finish it, and I have not reached this season yet, but with some spoilers and this clip in hand, I’m am so angry at this woman that it’s borderline ridiculous. I’ve only ever been this angry at a TV show character one time in the past and that was Ruby.
0:13 Sam's face changed in confusion. He couldn't even believe what she said. Dean was right to be angry at Mary from the start. He probably wasn't really surprised. But Sam gave her time and space to adjust without judging. It must hurt him so much.
1:40 hear what exactly Mary?😐you could at least not lie! 3:16 I never was😭😭😭 3:22 my heart broke when he called her Mary! "you should go"is really the best thing that anyone could say to her after that!
*Crazy to think Ketch was the main antagonist of the British Men of Letters actually turned good, saved Gabriel from Hell, saved Dean in the alternate world, helped saving Charlie & even died a hero.*
Mary never wanted this life for her sons but now is actively choosing the life to cope. And using her sons emotionally to secure her emotional starvation and lack of connection. Gee... Why does this sound familiar? Oh yeah, my mom and I had a Dean and Mary like conversation like this in the car this week. And like Dean, I felt betrayed.
I feel like Dean is mad because his entire life he was brought up fighting to get revenge for his mom and as soon as she comes back she goes off on her own and does whatever she wants. He never had a choice and he was never a kid. When Mary came back I feel like Dean just wanted her to be a mom for once so that he could finally have the chance to be a kid.
to me, what solidifes their hurt the most in this clip is how sam didn't hold dean back when he was talking. normally sam is the softer, rational and gentler one, but he never told dean to tone it down or told him he was taking it too far when we all know he normally would. i feel so bad for these two, but especially dean. this clip is just heart wrenching.
1:27 i’ve never realized it until now but as soon as Mary said Sam is family but she didn’t say Dean was too, it broke my heart. It was like she was saying dean wasn’t family. After this I hate Mary. Does she think this is easy for them either. Ever since dean was a kid she has been gone, and now that they have her back she just walked away from them again but not forced, she did it freely. Did she even think of them at all?! Does she even care?! Dean and Sam have been alone their whole lives without a mother and I wouldn’t even call John a father, they have been trained to kill ever since Dean was six, he grew up too fast without a family and now that it seemed like they have one they don’t and it’s all Mary’s fault. She walked away from her family for a second time. She chose the men of letters over her sons. That’s fucked up, she says they can learn from them but she needs to learn to not walk out on here family and be there for them. So basically all those sad, lonely years of dean and Sam not having a family mean nothing to her. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 how could she do this??!!
When she said she was working for the Brits I cringed and knew dean was about to open his mouth. As would I heck yes I would tell her to get the holy heck out
I really tried to give Mary a chance. Tried to understand her but OH MY GOD DID I HATE HER CHARACTER. Can't believe they made Dean forgive her so easily
I love this scene soooo much. The subtle ways the boys brace themselves and how Sam falls silent and twists closer to Dean while Dean focuses in on the problem. The delivery and heartache Dean shows while still being strong shows that he was always a soldier, never a child. The way Sam just looks more and more heartbroken and looking over at Dean for guidance. It shows that against everything, "family" included, the boys have truly only had each other. It hurts me that Sam probably grew up hearing the few great memories Dean had of Mary and this is what they get when she's back. You know it's a terrible situation when Dean willingly walks away from food and Sam tries to make himself look smaller.
*MARY : YOU ARE NOT A CHILD.*
*DEAN : I NEVER WAS.*
SIMPLE WORDS YET FULL OF STORIES.
Apparently that was improvised by Jensen
@@eazy1174 That's amazing
That one hit the spot..
Damn. I don't remember making this comment
Dam got me almost tearing up that hit to hard
The fact that Dean called her “Mary”, instead of “Mom”...😭😭😭I’m crying 😢
I've been that furious with my mother
At that point she's willing working with the people who tortured them so at that point she is not his mom that is not something a mom would ever do at that
my mother would’ve kicked my ass no matter what age I was
"But you didn't have to cut me off
Make out like it never happened and that we were nothing
And I don't even need your love
But you treat me like a stranger and that feels so rough"
@@Maddy2u1991 exactly, she's not their mom anymore just some chick. And she's so damn arrogant.
And the worst part of it is that she *knows* they tortured them...
"I never was" really makes me 😭😭😭😭
Shiid she’s the one that saved Sam from them lol
@@CRAZYKNIFER300HD And she joined them anyway... Your point falls flat on its face when you realized she joined the same organization that tortured her son. She's an entitled bitch who doesn't care about what they wanted.
British people tortured them that much and they didnot even get to lay or torture them once ..fucckckkkkkkkkkkk
Wich makes it worse@@CRAZYKNIFER300HD
I don’t understand why Mary is angry, I mean, Dean and Sam have right to get angry at her, but she doesn’t.
Amen
Ikr
@Paul Robinson yes omg. I just hate her because she never really tried to understand what especially Dean went through.
@Natural Being that's not true but I guess you have your own opinion. P.s that makes you sound like a douch
Natural Being, okay slow down . The generalization of groups is never something that should be easily done. So go back to the first thought and really think about what you said. Because your comment sound really sexist to me and I think that maybe you should think about this comment and think about how you can actually lose a lot of respect of people by making comments of generalizations.
I feel like Mary is forgetting the fact that because of her they literally grew up fighting for their lives. And she has the audacity to feel like she's the victim.
You are correct everything that happened is because of her and her deal with azazel it all snowballed from there she is an idiot
@@Maddy2u1991 well if she didn’t make the deal with azazel dean and Sam wouldn’t exist
@@gus195 yes you are correct but that doesn't make it right
Mary does not see that she is a Karen;)
She had no choice but to sell her soul to bring John back to life. They were forced together by a cupid and if John had died Sam and Dean wouldn't have been born, therefore the apocalypse wouldn't have begun. God forced her to do that, she was just a pawn on the chess board like everyone else, being forced into the story that Chuck wanted.
I love the way Sam turned his head to look at his big brother
That's the kind of respect you earn. Dean & Sam have been through everything together and in many ways only had each other as friends growing up. Dean would do anything for Sam & vice versa. Hence why Sam lets Dean take the reins in this situation because he'll support Dean regardless.
When Mary says "same as always... family" to Dean's question of where this leaves them, Dean looks down and to his left. To Sam. To his family. The condescending tone she uses with Sam is why I could never like her as a character and why I think Dean is so upset in this scene. Sam never had a mom and Dean just wants her to fill that void for his little brother and she doesn't do it. Dean's face when Sam mentions broken ribs and burned feet breaks my heart.
IKR!!!!! THAT TONE! THAT TONE OF VOICE SHE USES WITH SAMMY IS WHAT I DON’T LIKE! And made me think “what the hell is her problem? Why she speaking to him like that?” Like Bish change your tone when speaking to your Son who has never had a Mother before
You’d think with her not being able to be there for Sam at least a little like she was for Dean in his four years at the beginning SHES try everything to spend time with him and GET TO KNOW HIM! Get to know Dean as well!!!! I mean you’re their Mother and you’re sad you missed 33 years of their life but I don’t see you doing anything to make up for that time....you’re their Mother you’re not suppose to push them away, or avoid them, or not talk to them for a long time, or lie to them about something as serious as this...you’re suppose to be there with them and FOR them
@@nataliawashington872 right and when she said you are not a child the amount of contempt in that sentence
I hated Mary after this.
Mary coming back was great for the development of the character's the actress Sam played her amazing I think❤
Mary: and you are not a child
Dean: I never was.
That hit so hard
I'd say she is the worst mother of the whole supernatural series.Always a dummy working with her sons enemy.
@@namreimungkhamrang9557
How many times have Sam and Dean worked with people they hated and tried to kill and kill them? Crowley, Lucifer, Meg, Ruby, etc. Mary is working with humans, people trying to make the world a better place. Sure, they tortured Sam and tried to kill them, but so have most of their allies
@@deadpooldan9862 they don't work with Crowley for fun or Meg or Ruby, they have had to suck it up to prevent the end of the world.
Mary joined them because Brits did their whole marketing stuff and Mary bought their bullcrap. I mean every time Sam and Dean work with bad guys, they actually know they can't trust them and they never see them as allies.
Mary was defending Brits, atleast Ruby never tried to kill Sam, always helped, hell even pretended to sacrifice herself for the boys but still it was one of the worst mistakes of Sam's life.
That's why Mary is in the wrong here
@@MaheshSharma-fo9lj wow, so the fact that Sam also sucked up to the Brits means nothing? After he was tortured? At least the Brits were genuinely trying to make the world a better place. Mary’s not in the wrong, and neither are Sam and Dean.
@@deadpooldan9862 Sam never trusted the Brits, he never joined them.
Brits are not doing anything nice, they had Mick Davis kill his friend when he was a kid to prove their loyalty.
Brits murder monsters without even realizing that maybe they can be cured or given a chance.
Mary is in the wrong because she was defending those people who tortured her sons, her sons! Sam working is not that worse but a mother working with same people who tortured her sons is worse.
Mary never tried to be with them, all they needed was some simple gestures, all they wanted was Mary to just love them in a mom way but she was too busy working with Brits.
Brits can kill innocent people as long as they get what they want, that's not making better, that's ruling the world under the fear of gun
so i love how dean first let’s sam talk to mary try to reason with her but once sam realized it was over he stopped and let dean just hit her where it hurts
Sam gave up the second she made herself the victim in that hunters death and tried to justify almost getting cas killed
Sam has always been better at the talking part, and trying tonsee the reasoning behind everything. Dean is the enforcer. Once sam stops talking and he hasnt tried to reason with dean, who quite literally is one of the two people left alive that is able to make him see reason, he steps up to speak on how it's going to go. I love their dynamic.
Honestly, Mary and John’s A+ parenting never ceases to astound me.
That's why Dean is the parent to Sam
Mary and John were terrible parents.
They're terrible parents
@@jjs1300000 but in season 14 John sort of made up for it and I really loved that episode. John who was not or ever will be father of any year got to see his boys. All big and grown. Looking at the men he laid the foundation for being heroes. And saying that he is proud of the men they came to be and not taking any credit for how they became. And even when they had 2 options John chose to go back to his time instead of staying there with Sam, Dean and Mary in that temporal paradox timeline. That episode imo kind of, to me gave both Sam and Dean the closure they needed from there dad who in the beginning was never there and hellbent on killing yellow eyes
Sam and Dean's real dad is Bobby and nothing could change my mind
"I am not just a mom"
Exact EXACT same mentality John had.
The purpose justifies the means and all that.Its worth sacrificing anything, even family for a greater purpose.
I feel so bad for Sam and Dean
They thought they would finaly have a parent they can count on and then they got female John
Welp there's a reason why John and Mary fell in love I guess
at least john had the decency to admit how lacking of a a father he was when he apologized to sam, sam understood why john made them that way so they would be able to protect themselves from supernatural beings and to toughen them up...john far from a perfect father but if it wasn't for him the boys wouldn't have the skills and mentality on how to save people and the world
@@vladeousj9923 well John grew, he make he's mistakes and with the years he understand. Mary not, i dont have the data but she have the same age of the boys or even younger
When Sam (the voice of reason) told her she should go I felt that. This was probably one of my favorite scenes in Supernatural history. We’ve waited 12 freaking seasons to see Dean and Sam (more Dean) TALK to his mother and to see the betrayal on his face. Jensen and Jared did such a good job!!
“You needed space from US”
“That’s not true”
Really Mary…? Literally sounds exactly like that.
Jensen killed it as always
“Cas almost died” gets me every time🥺
Someone's always almost dying
The fact that sam is the understandable one..saying to mary you should go ..says it all
Yeah. When even Sam tells you that, you should know you screwed up
Poor Dean never was a child😣😣 and Sam supporting Dean.... I m crying😢😢
Mary: "you are not a child"
Dean: "I never was"
Me *screeching*
Love the way Sam jump up out if his chair and went right behind his brother
When Dean says "just try and be a mom" it breaks me every time. The poor guy has been through so much carp and he just wants a parent. He is a man who just desperately wants his mother to be his mother. It hurts.
This is why I didn’t really like Mary. She almost got them all killed, got Wally killed, and almost Cas. She really didn’t act like a mom, she was very selfish in this. And I think everything Dean told her she had coming.
Ikr like she has no right to promise to ruin the British men of letters when she’s the reason they almost died. I mean if she even cared for them at all she would’ve immediately given back what she stole from that Demon Prince instead of..you know ACTING LIKE SHE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT
Discord true Mary is a selfish person... I really hope billie reaps her...
LegitAllyson the fact is that Supernatural wasn’t very good with her character development
SPOILER ALERT 🚨 IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN SEASON 15 OF SUPERNATURAL DO NOT READ
It’s like EVERY TIME she realized she was basically neglecting and avoiding Dean and Sam SHE WOULDN’T DO ANYTHING TO MAKE UP FOR IT AFTER REALIZING IT! She would just keep doing the same thing again, avoiding and neglecting her kids by going on hunts all the time never making up for her mistakes and it’s just Supernatural did a stupid move by killing her off without giving her ANY sort of character development whatsoever
Natalia Washington I think they should of brought John back instead of Mary or maybe Adam dean and Sam hafe brother since Adam also would of been a men of letters...
No she dint act like a mom...she acted like a hunter....one who would anything to protect her sons.....a lot like dean has done in the past.....if john had more screen time I reckon he and sam would have similar characteristics.
Love the way Sam just looks at his older brother and he can see how sad he is
“I never was” 💔💔💔💔💔💔
I feel like Sam backed up Dean in part because Dean is the one who raised him & supported him, not Mary. The loyalties of family lie within the brothers in a profound way & Mary hasn't proven herself to be there for them through thick & thin the way that Sam & Dean have with one another.
Yep. I mean John was still around in the beginning but not nearly as much as Dean, who was there for his brother 24/7. I kinda feel like sam had a lot of "dads" growing up. He had John and then Dean cared for him and so did Bobby. Sam feels like he owes Dean because, as much as Bobby and sometimes John were there for him, Dean was there no matter what
Something dean has said was that he was a brother, dad and a mom to Sam . Dean raised him his dad was hardly ever there
I agree, Mary is a terrible mother. She didn’t care about Dean and Sam.
She’s actually proven herself to be the opposite. Literally working with the people that tortured your own son and lying about it to them. I just can’t even with her character.
@@yenh1144 I agree. I viscerally hated her every time she came on screen.
How does Mary know Deans pissed off face? She hasn't even been around that long.
Because four year old him was there when John was being a dick
My son as a "face" and I'm sure he'll always have it
He uses that face a lot
😂😂😂
@@Phoenix13Rose why this is so funny 😂
I loved when he put her in her place so much and was SO angry when he apologized later on in the episode like NOOO why are you apologizing you did nothing wrong!
Don't give me the face
There is no face
Your doing the face
Im not doing a face
That's the face.
EnIaDe dam this part made me smile for a second only a second then serious mode
Sherlock vibes
Mary was another version of Dean(since they have so much in commen)which stands up for herself!I didn't see anything bad with that!it just that she was so silly
I don't think she was around long enough to earn a scene like that
Mary is similar to Dean only in some mannerisms. That's it. He loves people he considers family and would never give up on them.
Mary did that countless times.
Mary is just awful. She doesn’t care about “her” boys. If she did she would’ve turned away from the British.
In my opinion Jody is their mother figure and Bobby is their dad.
Then again I wasn’t surprised looked how Samual treated Sam and Dean when he returned.
She is just like him maybe a little worse
comparing Mary with Samuel is just so much!Mary was a stupid naive woman right!but she wasn't evil like Samuel
@@altinaykor364 hmm let's see. Mary made a deal with a demon to bring John back and for this she allowed the demon to do something to Sam. She got 10 years to tell John the truth and to do something against this deal. Samuel made a deal with crowley and was ready to let the boys die in order to bring Mary back to live. As you can see they both would sacrifice everything to save their love ones, doesn't matter what the consequences are.
@@BlacKFightZ Mary didn't know her consequences will be on Sam!and if she had to tell John about bringing him back to life,she should also tell him about hunting,demons and...as well!Samuel on the other hand,first to bring his daughter back,lied to boys and made them work for Crowley!but even after that secret was reveled,he continued to just crossing over them and did somethings worse than keeping secret!
@@altinaykor364 she didn't know ? The yellow eye told her to not to come in Sammy's room after 10 years ?. She know what could happen and still she made a deal. Did she thought the yellow would just say hello to sam ? It's common sense that he had evil plans for sam and still she did nothing in this 10 years. She knows a demon will come in 10 years in her house and this demon killed john. Her duty was to tell john the truth, because she cannot hide this truth for ever when the supernatural thing comes in their house. When she just told him what will happen in 10 years, they could prepare to kill the yellow eyes or to save sam. Doesn't when she had to tell him the stuff about hunting and demons, he will know it soon or later, but this woman was focused on her normal and perfect live. She was like samuel selfish and literally sacrificed one of her boys to save john. She is like her father. And later she worked together with the British men of latter who tortured her sons. And what about the case where cas almost died ? Who put the boys on board and let them work for the British men of latter without knowing them ? Right mary. Who died and almost died? Right this hunter and cas. Yep she is not like her father.
@@altinaykor364 making a deal with a demon who just wanted to come in her sons room, instead of taking her soul is never good. Every person with a brain knows that.
Sam always choose Dean
Actually, pretty sure the reason Sam didn’t try to get Dean out of Purgatory is because he chose a dog.
@@subtlevariationsofblue6778
LMFAO😂😂
Amelia never happened in my book. That whole story arc was stupid as fuck.
And Sam chose demon blood and Ruby. Remember? But Sam grew, we saw him growing from his immature self to a leader of hunters.
It was five years ago, I was young and naive okay 🤣
I know for a fact that if my mom met people that tortured me they’d wouldn’t come out with a pulse
Children may grow up but you never stop being a parent period.
Unless, of course, you’re Mary Winchester.
Yeah like, I don’t HATE Mary. I think she’s been than John in MOST aspects…but she knew that Sam was tortured, and she expected them to just get over it, and then she has the audacity to accuse Dean of being childish because he wanted her to act like a mother. IT’S HER JOB
@@supernaturalforever4716 let’s be fair, Sam and Dean end up friends with people who torture them all the time, so Mary doing it isn’t all that out of the ordinary for a Winchester, plus they were VERY manipulative
Edit: I use the term “friends” loosely, they team up with them all the time
@@deadpooldan9862 they can. But she can't. Because it's her children who they tortured.
@@Gohan9112 yeah, but their NOT children, and it’s hard for her to reconcile the fact that, biologically, their older than her and she missed their ENTIRE lives. She’s taking time to adjust and trying to make the world safe FOR them, even if that means working with the BMOL
Not only is the "I never was" but that moment when she first says it, and Dean says "ah", it was like yup there's the other shoe I was waiting to drop.
And then when she says Sam at the end, Bruh, of course Sam is going to side with Dean, as Dean is the only parent Sam has had his whole life. The one who has always been there. This whole scene is gold and I think the best of the whole damn series.
I have no idea why this video is so damn addictive.
Michelle Cunin Totally agree!! I keep coming back!!
I think it's the "face" part... I've watched that part like ten times now.
Because it's intense and shocking. It's family moments that we never get to see
Stellar acting. It's so deep you feel immersed in the scene with the actors.
"Same as always family"
I might be in the minority on this but Dean, Sam, and Cas are a family and I don't consider Mary Family sorry. I know she's their mom and everything but still.
Yeah. She mad me a lot a little after a while
because "family don't end in blood. but it doesn't start there either" XD Mary may be blood but Cas is more of a family to them than Mary is
Well let's see. Dean *raised* Sam. Cas is Dean's only friend that came back and is also the one who brought Sam from the cage.
meanwhile...
Their mother went behind their back and started contacting the same people that tortured her children, and then when Dean felt betrayed, she has the goddamn nerve to say "You are not a child" to him knowing he *never* had a childhood because of her. Knowing that she was the catalyst for *everything* bad that happened to both him, and Sam.(and this is all just in this one episode, mind you)
Yeah, that isn't family.
Susie Carugati agreed.
So true
Dean and sam have been through some really, really... really... bad shit. They know a lot more then Mary, who stopped being a hunter young. So if they are sketchy, I would be too.
Dean has done so much and now he gets this
That "I never was" was so full of emotions.
Poor Dean😕Considering the fact that even Sammy asked her to go tells us how badly they are hurt..
I feel so bad for Sam and Dean there faces look so hurt Mary thinks she is the one suffering when it’s mostly them hurting inside especially Dean
Sad thing was Dean’s right he never had a childhood, and he tried to give Sam one too especially since Sam never even knew their Mother-never had a relationship with her like Dean did, which is why Dean hated when Sam asked about stuff that might lead to him knowing about Hunting which he wanted to keep from Sam a little longer so he could retain that innocence for just a little while longer...of course that backfired and Sam found out eventually
i hate that they made them forgive her the next episode.
Ikr especially after they kidnapped Sam and tortured him for hours
Poor Dean that broke my heart...worst part is when Sam tells you to go..youve really fu**ed up...love my boys!!
My favourite Dean speech. Raw emotion ❤️
"How about for once you just try and be a mom?!" Mary is the most selfish character in the show. She should have never come back. She did nothing but being trouble.
I burned... when dean said: i never was
When Dean said “I never was…” Boy I felt that
I literally just saw the episode for this a couple days ago and I'm still in shock. I knew at some point everything would be revealed but my heart wasn't prepared for it. The betrayal of Mary... and the worst thing was seeing how heartbroken the boys are. Dean thought their mom had maybe been hiding something but Sam didn't really suspect anything so it was an even bigger shock for him, especially since the British Men of Letters tortured Sammy so horrifically. The bits which really get me are when Dean says "I never was" and when he says the word "Mary" because you know at that point that the hurt and betrayal cuts so deep - he would never ever talk to his mom like that unless he was not just hurt, but heartbroken. And you can tell Sammy is hurt when even he says for his mom to leave at the end - he shows solidarity with Dean. It is interesting how Sammy is just really struggling to process everything at first whereas Dean is struggling but also then takes the lead as the older brother and sticks up for the both of them. He really tells everyone how he is feeling and how he just wants a mom again - the thing is, Sam doesn't remember his mom from childhood whereas Dean does and so to be let down after loving her so much as a child, and throughout life, is even worse.
However, don't get me wrong, considering how Mary died in the first episode, I do have a lot of sympathy for her wanting to make sure no-one else has to suffer like that - it does make sense why she would team up with the British Men of Letters... but to team up with them even after the torture and without telling them was pretty bad. Granted, she would never team up with the same person who tortured Sammy but still... in all that time that she was working with them, she could have been catching up with Sam and Dean's life rather than spending time with strangers. The amount of times that Sam and Dean have dreamt of getting their mother back... I doubt they would have thought it would go like this!
Also, on another note, Mary is lucky that Cass didn't die because there is no coming back from that!
And now I've just written an essay, haha. All of that aside, kudos to Jensen, Jared and Samantha for executing this scene so well!
"I never was." That line always stings
Dean: “ *yeah MARY it is* “
Me: OHHHH she done messed up .....
My thoughts exactly
It's not like that.
*Yeah Mary it is*
FUUUUU 😥😥😥
"Actually it is, Mary." Ouch. That had to hurt.
I just want to give Dean a Big cuddle in this scene . I can't believe Mary would work with people who tortured Sam .
And almost got Cas killed
Sam had his feet burned, cold showers, and drugged. I'm surprised Sam isn't angrier than Dean in this clip.
@@nina-raedelong158 that's why he described all the details about the torture lady Toni gave him?
@@altinaykor364 Possibly. However, Sam has a very forgiving and empathetic nature.
@@nina-raedelong158 then he wouldn't make Dean's life miserable for months
"you should go. "
I feel so sad for dean he has gave up a hole lot for his family
Dean pissed . I understand why he’s mad at her . I agree with him
Aww dean cares so much about Castiel “cas almost died” 2:12 same with Sam
Castiel is Dean's best friend, and Sam's friend they were afraid of losing. Castiel they consider him a brother, he is more part of their family to Dean and Sam.Mary even though she's their mother, she wasn't really a good mother.
Oh my Chuck, every time I watch this there are goosebumps...and I always cry when Dean is calling her Mary...
Oh my Jack or perhaps good kline
Jesen ackles acting is fucking crazy 👏🏽👏🏽
Dean wasn’t going to let her off w/the lame excuses she was trying. They tortured his brother. Worse, they nearly got his Cas killed. Neither is something he can forgive.
Dean had to be a brother, a mother, and a father. Never a child
The way Sam told her to go...
Like "You heard Dean. Nothing else to say here."
Why tf Dean chewing so hard in the beginning. He was mad before she even said anything😂😭
His food probably a hamburger
"yeah Mary it is" #ouchanddamn
This is one of my fav scenes! Every sentence with “that face”😂 is perfect! I know it’s not a happy one, but still, that emotion got me so well!!!❤️💔
the fact that even though sam has never had his mom in his life and wants it he will always stand with dean bc it's dean that raised him, the only person he can trust and he knows just how much this hurt dean😩
"I never was."
*Breaks.my.heart*
Whenever Dean says "I never was" you can hear the pain.
What she is really saying, is that she doesn't believe that they are good hunters. Also she knows that they kidnapped and tortured Sam, and Dean would never strust someone who did that. She KNOWS, just doesn't care.
damn when dean called his mom mary instead of mom he was pissed he was right to be pissed
Mary: I'm doing this for you... I'm playing 3 decades of catch up here!!
Dean: And we're not? How do you think this has been for us? We're you're son's, and you've been gone... Our WHOLE lives, you've been gone...
Too powerful of a scene, a grown son who never got the chance to be a kid and live a normal human life FINALLY letting go of how he felt having to raise his baby brother, protect him and provide for him practically by himself. Truly cuts deep. Sam love's his big brother very much
“Deans hurt” AND SO IS SAM OMG
It might sound bad but I love how dean always ,and only speaks out for Sam. He didn't speak out for himself. He did for Sam and Cas. Especially when sam kept quiet .
Dean and Sammy suffered so much .
The fact that as a mother, she would even so much as associate herself with people who did the things that the British Men Of Letters did to her sons, and then act as though she has to right to talk down the them (notice the condescending tone, specifically towards Sam for some reason) and be angry because they feel hurt by this sudden revelation that their mother is fraternizing with their enemies, fills me with rage. And then to say that she is a mother but not just a mom, makes me so upset because every devoted and loving mother I know would agree that before anything else, come their kids and their role as a mother in those children’s lives. Maybe she never got to watch her kids grow up nor did she get the chance to form a proper bond, but that’s her own fault. Everything Dean said here was right, and he makes the proper point simply by saying that heartbreaking line “I never was” in response to her “You are not a child” showcases just how *well* she knows them. I’m currently still trekking through the show and trying to find the time and energy to finish it, and I have not reached this season yet, but with some spoilers and this clip in hand, I’m am so angry at this woman that it’s borderline ridiculous. I’ve only ever been this angry at a TV show character one time in the past and that was Ruby.
0:13 Sam's face changed in confusion. He couldn't even believe what she said.
Dean was right to be angry at Mary from the start. He probably wasn't really surprised. But Sam gave her time and space to adjust without judging. It must hurt him so much.
1:40 hear what exactly Mary?😐you could at least not lie!
3:16 I never was😭😭😭
3:22 my heart broke when he called her Mary!
"you should go"is really the best thing that anyone could say to her after that!
Jep 😂😂
When Dean Called Her “Mary” 😢😢
@3:23 ... "Yea Mary it is ..." holy moly ... so much was said in those 4 words
Dean hasn’t been a child since he was 4 yrs old
“MmmahmmYou-aghuhmhmmhmm uh what?”💀😭
*Crazy to think Ketch was the main antagonist of the British Men of Letters actually turned good, saved Gabriel from Hell, saved Dean in the alternate world, helped saving Charlie & even died a hero.*
Mary is a terrible mother. She was never there for them. Im glad they put her in her place
jensen's acting in this scene.. damn he's truly a great actor
Jared and Jensen, and even Samantha, are all phenomenal actors. This scene hit hard.
Mary never wanted this life for her sons but now is actively choosing the life to cope. And using her sons emotionally to secure her emotional starvation and lack of connection.
Gee... Why does this sound familiar? Oh yeah, my mom and I had a Dean and Mary like conversation like this in the car this week. And like Dean, I felt betrayed.
I'm sorry
Poor dean😢😢
I feel like Dean is mad because his entire life he was brought up fighting to get revenge for his mom and as soon as she comes back she goes off on her own and does whatever she wants. He never had a choice and he was never a kid. When Mary came back I feel like Dean just wanted her to be a mom for once so that he could finally have the chance to be a kid.
True
“YEAH MARY IT ISSS”😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭Omggg
I think its interesting to realize that to them people like cass are more family than their own parents
to me, what solidifes their hurt the most in this clip is how sam didn't hold dean back when he was talking. normally sam is the softer, rational and gentler one, but he never told dean to tone it down or told him he was taking it too far when we all know he normally would. i feel so bad for these two, but especially dean. this clip is just heart wrenching.
Dean finally gets that saying "family" isn't a cure all
1:27 i’ve never realized it until now but as soon as Mary said Sam is family but she didn’t say Dean was too, it broke my heart. It was like she was saying dean wasn’t family. After this I hate Mary. Does she think this is easy for them either. Ever since dean was a kid she has been gone, and now that they have her back she just walked away from them again but not forced, she did it freely. Did she even think of them at all?! Does she even care?! Dean and Sam have been alone their whole lives without a mother and I wouldn’t even call John a father, they have been trained to kill ever since Dean was six, he grew up too fast without a family and now that it seemed like they have one they don’t and it’s all Mary’s fault. She walked away from her family for a second time. She chose the men of letters over her sons. That’s fucked up, she says they can learn from them but she needs to learn to not walk out on here family and be there for them. So basically all those sad, lonely years of dean and Sam not having a family mean nothing to her. 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 how could she do this??!!
she said "same as always, family"
@@azamnoorazah oh, at first it sounded like Sam but I put the captions on and I saw that. But still Mary is the worst mother ever!!!!
Reminds me of Dominic Toretto from the Fast and Furious franchise, where he says that you should NEVER turn your back on family.
Damn dean said Mary instead of mom she should have told them she was working the fricking men of letters
BMOL worked with them in a case which turned out well and saved their lives!only that psycho woman tortured them but Mary was so silly to lie to them!
When Deam called her Mary, he was really really hurt. Dean would never call someone (Mary) by their actual name unless he was really pissed at them
@@altinaykor364 didnt bmol then brainwash mary into killing other hunters
@@beastmaster1858 after this scene
@@altinaykor364 yeah i know
That is why I love Dean so much. He is real, raw and human.
Do not give me the face what face theres the face. Powerful scene
I swear when Dean replies 'I never was'💔💔💔💔
When she said she was working for the Brits I cringed and knew dean was about to open his mouth. As would I heck yes I would tell her to get the holy heck out
I really tried to give Mary a chance. Tried to understand her but OH MY GOD DID I HATE HER CHARACTER.
Can't believe they made Dean forgive her so easily
Sam is disappointed
Dean is angry
“I never was a child”
“You should go”
This hurts
I love this scene soooo much. The subtle ways the boys brace themselves and how Sam falls silent and twists closer to Dean while Dean focuses in on the problem. The delivery and heartache Dean shows while still being strong shows that he was always a soldier, never a child. The way Sam just looks more and more heartbroken and looking over at Dean for guidance. It shows that against everything, "family" included, the boys have truly only had each other. It hurts me that Sam probably grew up hearing the few great memories Dean had of Mary and this is what they get when she's back. You know it's a terrible situation when Dean willingly walks away from food and Sam tries to make himself look smaller.
that hurts... She ended up choosing the Brits Men of Letters over her own sons..
She reminds me of her father.