Removing Broken Manifold Bolts The Easy Way!
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 20. 05. 2023
- In this video I bring you along as I show you again my favorite method for removing broken bolts. Especially exhaust manifold bolts. There are many ways to do this but this is by far my favorite. Especially when it works đ
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It was my intention to go all the way with you folks and show you how to repair the chowdered up holes in this ol' Chevy. Like most projects the simple 5min job got stupid pretty quick so I made a part two but you'll have to wait till it's all edited. Stay tuned đ
-Eric O.
Here is the welder I use running 0.030" wire with Ar/CO2 75/25 110v: amzn.to/3ok7eEe (and yes I know it is set up wrong and I did it all wrong)
Here is the penetrating fluid that made the entire job possible: amzn.to/43eWk1f
Just about ask about retaping the holes. Beat me to it đ
WD saves the day! I think you couldâve just gave it a spritz and the vise grips wouldâve taken the broken bolt right out đ
We await your edit sir.
Eric - Please contact 'Rainman Ray' as he broke off a bolt on a water pump in a suzuki boxer engine. Then he broke off an eazy out in the hole. His solution is to replace the engine. Perhaps you can teach him a thing or two?
@@northpoint1039 Subaru, not Suzuki, but, yes!
Eric O is the only person I know to have said "if we're lucky", a bolt will shear off while recessed
Well that way I can show you :)
and Ray đ
@@realfoggy I feel so bad for Ray!
Fact.
I think the one thing with Eric that amazes me the most, is how he keeps his cool. Iâd be able to fix this the same way, using the same equipment, but Iâd be cursing like a sailor and flipping out the whole time!
I always feel if i'm going ape shit i'm putting maximum effort into it.
Ericâs temper flare ups may be judiciously edited, I think. Steve
When i was much younger I got a job as an apprentice maintaining DeHaviland Otters and Beavers ( old small bush planes) One day I have my arm into the back of the radial engine up to my shoulder getting poked by lock wire. After a while i get agitated and frustrated -everyone in the hanger stoped working and looked at me as if i just grew a 2nd head. Oh the shame. You could ask for help, take a break, walk away for a while but you could not lose it. Never happened again.
Career carpenter here. Cussing makes everything go easier . Struggling, throw something all while $^(*&^%$##%^ . When you're done it will almost put itself together .
@@jos6415 safety wire âswordsâ suck! Why donât more aircraft mechanics twist the sharp end of the pigtail into a loop? Been stabbed by many myself!
Rain-man watching close as we speak
Was thinking the same thing....
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The timing is uncanny, frankly.... đ
â@@RainmanRaysRepairs đ
â@@RainmanRaysRepairsstuff happens my man. I have to say that I think it was very cool of you to show us your misfortune. I don't think everyone realizes that you didn't have to show it and no one would have known. Pretty stand up thing to do in my opinion! On to the next one! đđ»
Interesting timing for this video given a certain man in Florida just got beat by a stuck bolt.
What a friend unitđ
We all feel Rayâs pain whether we are pro or not. Few do broken bolts like Eric O. Meema taught him wellâŠ
Yeah, I was cringing at Ray's impatience. He's a good tech, but he did screw that one up.
One big difference is Rays issue the bolt that broke was a cheap low grade bolt and no matter how good a weld it will snap off again. These bolts are a better grade and will not twist off again as easy.
@@crowttubebot3075 I spent hours on that bolt. That part was edited out
@@RainmanRaysRepairs Ray, I felt so sorry for you watching the pain inflicted by that boltâčâčâčâč I would like to see the trolls do any better. Take care, my friendđ
@@RainmanRaysRepairs No worries mate, the editing made me think it was shorter. Been there, done that. Broken bolts suck big wind.
âI could see if you guys werenât in the wayâ - donât ya hate it when 800,000 people stand in front of you?! đ
I see a great number of us viewers needed this after watching Rain Man scrap an engine over a recoverable broken bolt. Easy-outs are NOT for seized bolts, especially those extending into the water jacket. One thing I've had experience on is seized and broken bolts. As long as there is some kind of room to maneuver a drill, even with a 12" bit, there is a way to recover--just leave the easy-outs in the box.
Those extractors should come with a vinyl bag that you can scream your profanity into when they inevitably break off and create a 10x bigger problem.
So, the question is, were those bolts broken due to corrosion or over torqueing? Rain Man obviously had a badly seized bolt due to corrosion. Maybe easy outs would have worked on Eric's block? Hope he tries one in the next ep.
So glad you did this video after a couple vids Iâve seen over the last couple days. Having been working on engines for over 50 years, itâs never boring to see an outstanding video on how to to avoid massive oops. Youâre one of the best, patience and knowledge wins most times. Thank you for that once again.
That's the first time ive ever heard "hopefully one breaks off on the other side..."
You are a real treasure, Mr. O.
I do the same procedure you do except that after heating the head area I spray the bolt with "cold spray" available on line. This can also help break the barrier and shrink the bolt a little. I have been using this for 65 years on all sorts of heavy trucks, aircraft cars etc. Another technique if the bolt / screw is below the surface i have a variety of bolts that I have drilled through the center on my lathe so I can screw it in the first thread or so and then use the center hole to drill the center of the trapped bolt. I can then take the guide bolt out and drill enough to get a easy out or drill the old bolt out without having the drill skate around on the broken bolt surface. This gives you an exact center to guide the drill.
Nice tip, I'll note that hollow bolt trick down!
IIt occurs to me that if I were to make a left-handed thread down the middle of the broken off thing that I'm trying to extract that turning the bolt in the middle counter-clockwise would thread the broken piece out. Of course heating, penetrating oil and a good hammer blow or two would still be required, but I wouldn't have to weld anything onto the broken piece.
Pure gold, Eric. It was you or Letsdig for the Sunday finale and you won.
"Hey there viewers and welcome back to the South Main Auto channel".
Even when you don't say it you do. Thank you.
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Paul (in MA)
Soon as I clicked on the video. I said it in my head. And then was kinda surprised when he didn't say it.
I'm literally to about to try this, in this exact situation for the first time ever in about 20 minutes. I have a 15 year old welder given to me years ago that I hope works. I spent 3 hours cleaning and prepping it last night. And I have absolutely zero welding experience. But I watched a SMA video once.
Try welding a nut onto a spare bolt thead first before going in on the main job.
SMA Certified...đ
The difference between a great welder and a rookie...practice. lots of practice.
Yeah, I did some practice stuff and learned some stuff. #1 I suck #2 I need thicker wire #3 I really need some welding glasses or helmet. Preferably auto darkening. #4 My welder does work! So we are heading in the correct direction. đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
â@@MAXTORRACERremember, if Eric can do it, you can do it
Sunday afternoon on patio and cold drink enjoying Eric up to his neck in Chevrolet rust and stripped threads! Just made my weekend. THANKS SMA so hurry up and get Part 2 out!
Glad to see you're using that WD to chase the water away from those hot threads, Eric! đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ
You are an excellent teacher Eric O. A friend taught me the same technique several years ago. It works.
Great job Eric, fortunately they are reasonably accessible!
Just remember Mr. âOâ not only are you a great mechanic, your a great teacher.
Ray couldâve used this video a few days ago before he condemned a Subaru block. đ I donât think he understands the power of the torch. Great video Eric!
Congrats on 800k! I can't wait to see you hit 1 million subs
Need to send Rainman Ray down there in Florida. He might need your expertise. Lol
Ooooo.... the "To Be Continued" shattering! Fancy!
Thanks for your videos Eric. I lost all fear to manifold jobs now. I use the welder trick every time now
The quality of the videos has greatly improved with the WD sponsorship!
obviously, because of probably Eric knows one of the best like liquid wrench .
The reason they had washers stacked up on the manifold bolts is that they probably used the Dorman replacement bolts on the last repair. The bolts are 1/8â too long and bottom out in the head before tightening the manifold. The Chevrolet manifold bolts are non-standard length so even hardware store bolts donât work.
I do plow trucks so I use the Dorman Stainless steel replacement bolts and use a cutoff wheel to take 3/16 off, then hit them with a carbide taper. They wonât be rusted next time...
The manifolds can be the center of other problems. Broken exhaust hangers on dual 3 inch pipes can crack the manifolds or bust he heads off the bolts, same with worn out motor mounts.
Pretty common on those Silverado's is, if the bottom of the fan shroud is chewed off, it needs motor mounts and manifolds.
nice
You brought a whole new meaning to âMiller Time!â Not a sponsor. đ
These are my favorite Eric O videos. Some of the most useful and detailed instruction on how to get out of jams like this. Always wondered what the proper welder settings should be when you're doing this.
I really like the way you used full heat with your welder. When the welder is only on for a few seconds, you need maximum voltage on a Mig welder to get adequate penetration. Guys who use small 120V welders may not have enough to accomplish the job, or they stop too soon. Then the nut breaks off because of poor penetration. Mig welders are great, but the weakness is penetration.
Good old Fire and Electric Fire multin metal works everytime
"stand back it might fall out" đ definitely stealing that one.
You might need to help Ray out with his subaru job. Water pump bolt broke off. He is talking about changing the block.
Eric O of South Main Auto is the expert. RAINMAN got over enthusiastic - you need to keep calm.
@@Land-of-reason Ray committed the cardinal sin of using an Easiout on a bolt that was seized from corrosion. Only one outcome is likely in those cases, and Ray found it.
Sounds like we all follow the same CZcamsrs, rainman ray, South main Auto, Car care nut
@@brettperkins4643 plus âPine Hollow Autoâ and the master of diagnosticsâDiagnose Danâ.
@@ferrumignis Screw extractor is good when the bolt is about drilled out all the way. Pretty much drilled out to the original threads. I can never drill straight enough to get an opportunity to use them.
Eric O, thanks for sharing what you do. Every DIYer encounters this and we definitely need guidance in these tough situations.
ERIC O Not to many people use the washer . Nice Job . I sure do . I left RAY a
message about the washer . I feel the worst heads to brake blots off Flush are
the Dodge 5.7 Hemi's Ray Needs to watch your Video :-))
Apparently it's broken-bolt-in-the-block weekend đ
And yeah, my mother used to say "worsher" as well, and we have no idea where it came from. Both of my grandparents were from Rochester too and neither of them used to say it that way. I have my box of misc washers labeled "worshers" in her honor and my brother saw it one day and just started laughing đ
My midwestern wife says worsher and Chivy (for Chevy).đ
Congratulations on 800K subscribers. Headed to 1 million.
Mr. O, please hurry with the part 2. I feel like I am in the middle of a good story and the ending has been torn out!!! I try to keep up with what you are doing. I used to be a mechanic, but that was 50 years ago. I would not even try to change plugs on today's cars. Once I changed all 16 lifters on my son's car in 4hrs total start to finish. Can't be done anymore in 4 hrs
I'm kinda the mechanical whisperer of the neighborhood. I help a lot of folks often with their mechanical issues of auto, home, and garden.
A couple of weeks ago a frequent flyer calls me, "Hey Russ, I snapped a bolt off my mower in the rear. I'm kinda in a bind. Can you help?"
I pedal the bicycle down to his place. Sure enough, the bold snapped. It's a common problem with the John Deere SB14 mowers. And, chances are, I put that last one in with a new rear wheel. I also probably applied blue Loctite. Well, he had tried an easy-out and, of course, snapped that off too.
I told him some heat and a punch tapping it around the clock dial would probably back it out. But, all that stuff is back at my place. I rode back on the bicycle and he walked the mower following.
I applied torch heat and was making progress with the tap tap tap method. But, it was taking too long. I retrieved a scrap bin nut and placed it on top of the broken bolt. The neighbor was looking at me like I had two heads.
Then, I hit the nut/bolt with the MIG welder running on 120 volts. The broken bolt backed out like it's supposed to. The neighbor was beaming. In his eyes I had just parted the Red Sea.
Nice to be able to help folks out of a jam and give them a good show all at the same time. I highly doubt the neighbor had been that close to a welding operation during his entire 70+ year life.
Being a welder, I'd personally would use GTAW process (produces a solid weld). But you are correct burning in a hot bead is best using GMAW process. Most videos I've seen use GMAW with success; however a recent one didn't. The mechanic is now seriously considering replacing the engine. Don't agree with his approach. I'd completely grind out the area and weld build up, redrill & tap the hole. ?????
magician and mechanic...love your work
Thanks for helping out Rain Man Ray's Subaru Broken water pump bolt.
Lol RAY going to love this đđ»đ
Great opportunity for the Master here to teach everyone how to lessen the chances of fouling up though....
You can do the same out to about two or three inches deep. Get a piece of copper tubing as snug to the threads as possible, send it home flush against the snapped bolt, give it a couple good hits to deform the copper, build up, and zip it off.
I love your channel and your videos. We live in Canada and kinda laugh at your rust belt comments. We live in salt, sand and snow up here, and our vehicles are literally melting with rust. Your techniques have helped my "shade tree mechanicing" many times. Thank you thank you thank you!
Who doesn't know the screwdriver finger trick?!! Seriously....... :P Another good one!!
On that second one you removed i realized that you forgot to get the water out of it. Nice video!
Yessirrrr!!! Nothing better than a SMA video on a Sunday afternoon!!!!!
As the owner of a 2011 5.3 I thank you for taking the dread out of what I know is coming. AFM and crap bolts, what's not to love?
Yeah, good call with the Wd. The water build up after 'sweating' that aluminum head.. it's imperative to disperse.
ERIC! Happy Sunday!!
Ray down in Florida had a bad day yesterday. He needed Eric by his side. I hate to say it, but Ray rushed things - didn't clean the rust off the old stud, Didn't use Eric's trick of heating the block to crack the bond and generally didn't get enough penetration of the weld into the nut/stud junction
As I said before I like the zoom and I definitely smelt the w-d burnt smell. Nice. My fingers are sun burnt to. Bravo sir weâll done. The best content on the inter webs. A appearance of Mrs o makes it perfect.
Good video, lots of practical advice skilfully demonstrated.
Eric is having to much fun with broken bolts while the rest of us are shivering.
Love the way you work,,, Takes the years of experience and breaks it down for the every day person
I've been working light vehicle diagnostics and repair for a little over 30 years and still admire the way you yankees deal with all that salt inspired rust up there in the rust belt. But I am glad we don't have to deal with it much down here in Georgia except for those few times the new sales manager decides it's a great idea to head north to the auctions. Thanks for sharing.
North, to the auctions. We're goin' north, the rust is on. (Sorry, I couldn't resist)
Stuck bolts grrrrr. Great as always! I know you hate this, but this is why you're the automotive GOAT on YT!! Thanks for all you do!!
No such thing as stuck bolts.. they are just waiting for the right situation
Absolutely love your videos AND you're sense of humor.
your sense
Oh lord... stacked washers is a one of the signs of the Apocalypse!!! You see that, give it back, say no or run away!!!
Keep hittin em with the W.D. Gets anything out! Nice! Is there anything that stuff won't do? It's like flubber in a can!
Water Displacement # 40, great stuff, along with Kroil, PB Blaster, and my favorite Superzilla. I use left handed drill bits some times if I can't weld a nut on.
Oh those special NASCAR drill bits. I use them all the time.
Right now Iâm watching Ray botch up a driveshaft universal !
Thanks for extracting another good video of a stressful task.
Excellent, useful content as always -- Thank you!!
Lots of comments on the Rainman. There was an old saying in Hollywood that "no publicity is bad publicity" (or something like that). As bad a day the Rainman had, I would hazard to guess that someday he will be smiling on the way to the bank đ
Great video. Many of us would like to know various good methods on removing stuck or broken fasteners. This is one where real experienced mechanics like you Eric, can teach us all much needed info.
Used this trick last weekend in my brothers 5.4 3v! Worked like a charm!
If I could subscribe again I would.
35 years of engineering and you just taught me something.
This just made broken bolts a whole lot easier.
Im a machinist, so i do what I know, drill, easy out, or spark eroder.
But even I can weld on nuclear amps.
First one you took out was a body bolt with the unthreaded tail. That is probably why it needed washers as it would bottom out.
Nice observation. Unlikely to be a High Tensile so bolt simply broken by being torqued beyond it's rating. Didn't look particularly corroded.
You are the man. When I changed rear shocks on my grandsonâs Ranger I started spraying bolts two months in advance because of the rust. Thanks for the great information.
Saw SMA comment on Hoovie's latest video, now I'm watching SMA's latest video!
At least Eric got more accomplished in this video than Hoovie did đ€Ł
Been there many timesâŠ. You demonstrated the technique very well.. one thing I avoid is open ended or ring spanners when trying to work it loose. They tend to apply uneven force . I use a straight socket bar and socket , not a ratchet. Using a solid bar allows steady even force
I love those new snappy pliers!
Great tips Eric O. You,re a legend. I think Rainman needs your help.
I've done the broken bolt removal with a washer, but welded the nut way off center for some dumb reason. It still worked! đ
Eric removing a manifold bolt on a Dodge was the first video I watched many moons ago, never thought of welding a nut on a broken stud, the man is a genius
Great video Eric. We do this to every Gen3/Gen4 LS architecture V8 engine and cylinder head we sell, although I haven't used a torch to get it warm after welding. I'll have to remember that for the really stubborn ones. I just have one question. What kind of voodoo witchcraft magic potion throwin pixie dust did you put on the dipstick tube to get it out a block that rusty? I gotta know.
Shoot, last one I did I pulled the oil pan "because it was leaking" đ€Ł. I honestly pulled the pan so I could tap the dipstick tube out, and of course it was leakingđ
Oh those are easy. Buy a new one of course then use your vise grip adapter on your 5lb side hammer and 3 or 4 whacks and out it comes. Sometimes a little heat on the block helps too
Great video Eric looking forward to the next as always.
Congrats on 800k, Mr. O! Well earned!
800k congrats đđ well deserved "sma"
Ol' Vic and Miller to the rescue!đ€đ
Videos like this are invaluable to DIY'ers that don't work on cars and trucks for a living. Knowing how to remove a broken bolt or stud like this without taking the head off the engine and taking it to a machine shop can save you a boatload of time and money.
Nice work Eric. I imagine these situations try your patience.
If Rainman Ray only would have watched this 2 days ago before he worked on the Subaru water pump.
Eric, I found a rear broken bolt on passenger side exhaust manifold on my '17 5.3 L83, and shouldn't even say what I did on here. I don't have VIC or a welder & want to take the easy way out. And unfortunately, the exhaust bolt repair kits you see online will NOT fit the L83 on this side due to the newer head design, BUT, improvising as I am, I was able to "attach a bolt in the threaded hole toward the back of the head" & use a large washer to apply pressure to the manifold over the broken bolt. We'll see how long that lasts. Sure wish you did house calls. Greetings from that Old Jarhead in WNC
Great video Eric O. as always.
I think Ray's situation is beyond this method. He was working with rotten bolts, so nothing would weld to them properly. Now with an ez-out broke off in the hole, he is going the replacement engine route. Eric, any tricks for Ray?
Disagree, his weld setting wasn't hot enough.
There are bolt removal specialists that use electrical discharge machining (EDM) to clear out broken ez-outs and seized bolt remnants.
Ray was working with a rotten bolt? Did we watch the same video? Every time I've seen Eric do this, the bolts are always rusty and crappy. Eric showed what you do in that situation, you clean the stud up to make it nice and shiny so they'll weld better. The bolt/stud Ray was working with looked pretty dang clean to me compared to this.
I got nothin but love for ray, but I've seen a few people say this wouldn't have worked in ray's situation, and I disagree.
I thought that Ray did this method but kinda short-cutted some steps like grinding the stud end, heating it up properly, etc. As he says, "i'm not a welder", but maybe it would be worth it for him to take a little welding course or something?
Bet Eric would have that bolt out in an hr or less on rays engine. That bolt was definitely not rotted. Guy lives in Florida Eric in New York. Rays just not as experienced as Eric in things. Eric is an exceptional mechanic.
Great demo
As always, great teaching/entertaining video!
On my '85 Dodge 1 ton plow truck, I replaced the exhaust manifold gasket on the driver's side had to extract some broken bolts. Still after 5 years, the passenger side is still leaking. Should get to it before next winter. CO in the cab after 20-30 minutes of plowing can impair judgement! I only plow for myself.
Awesome thanks for the video.
You're the man đ
A few hammer blows on the end of the bolt can also help break the corrosion bond, provided you aren't working on a delicate casting.
To add a cool tip, I saw on sixtyfive ford's channel that he uses a piece of copper tubing that will fit inside the hole to protect the threads if its broken off down in the hole. Then he filled the inside with weld and then welds an old screwdriver at an angle (or you can weld a nut or bolt to it) to have something attached to the bolt to back it out. When done, the threads are still in good shape. Especially good for aluminum threads. Guys like these come up with some great ideas for tough fixes! Great video, Eric!
I love how vastly different car troubles are between the dry south and the rust belt. Down here, our manifold bolts just rattle out, they never get a chance to break off
Great instructional video as always. One thing to remember is that the coolant in the head and block will also remove the heat when trying to heat an area with the torch. Back in the cast iron block and cylinder head days draining the coolant from one side of the block made a big difference when trying to heat a stud and the area around it so that the coolant did not transfer and absorb the heat nearly as quickly - not sure if it would be as effective on an aluminum block and head.
I can wait. It has been a while since we have seen you remove broken bolts from a head. It was a handy reminder. Nust admit i can't believe I heard you say that hopefully there will be one broken flush on the other side - youtube content or not, I would hate for it to be an absolute bugger to get off!
Great info!
Congrats on 800k đ
Thanks for reminding me I need to fix the manifold on an 02 Dakota Sport v6.
Stick welder and MAPP gas are what I have for specialty tools.
I'm so excited.đ¶
Wire feed makes such a difference.
Run whatcha brung.đ€·ââïž
What better way to NOT snap off a manifold bolt is hoping you do! New free tip from Eric O!