14" vs 16" M3 Max MacBook Pro - Apple's Secret REVEALED!
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14" vs 16" M3 Max Thermal Testing - 00:00
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Teardown Comparison - 1:41
SSD Speed Test - 2:32
Simple Benchmarks - 2:43
Cinebench 2024 CPU - 3:09
Thermal Camera CPU - 5:16
Cinebench 2024 GPU - 8:11
Xcode Benchmark - 8:59
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What song is that.... Bring back the old one ;)
5:51 there is an error in the graphic where the 16 inch and 14 inch numbers should be swapped.
Thank you.. ❤❤
Hello , no logic pro test this time?
yes - i mis it as well @@ardierr.2525
Just a heads up. Your chart on surface temps is backwards. Should be 43 degrees on 14 inch and 35 degrees on 16 inch. You said it correctly but the chart is reversed.
And what’s more interesting, his results are quite different from my own test on 14’ m3 max. I highly doubt his results. (Unplugged and high performance mode)I tested on my 14 m3 max unit. Cinebench 2024 is around at 1580, event hits at 1605. And 71 seconds Xcode compilation. Overall performance shows Merely no noticeable performance between 16inch and 14inch, but at cost of noise and battery life.
@@kenny7210so is the 14” with Max as powerful as the 16”? I purchased the M3 Max with 64 gb of ram for AI. I plan on mostly using this for video but also have a lot of browser business apps. Also plan on using bots but was hoping to download my own personal llm. Any help is appreciated!
Always go for the 16 - i outlined the many reasons to do it in a video: the 16-inch MacBook Pro provides a larger display and more efficient cooling system, ideal for enhanced visual workspace and sustained high performance. Additionally, its longer battery life makes it better suited for extended use without frequent charging.
Even with M3Pro?
@@skafwadie No. The M3 Pro is less powerful so it should be fine in the 14"
I used the 16" M3 pro for the last week and found the size to be uncomfortably big (via subjective criteria). Now on a binned M3 Max 14". My work comp has been a 14" M1 Max with 64 GB and I work on one of the biggest repos out there without any thermal or perf issues.
@@skafwadieI haven’t tested heating issues yet on the m3 pro, but the issue is still 14” chassis vs 16”. not only are there other reasons why 16 is better, but just for the cooling aspect of it alone, it will be more capable than the 14.
@@yuriyfromamerica3558it’s true that if you go from a 14 to a 16, initially, it will feel too big (subjectively as you said), but you will be used to it in a matter of a few days.
Great video! I’ve been waiting for that one! Thank you
Now we need the 14 inch max chip binned and unbinned one 😮
I am SOOOOO happy I bought the 16 MBP M3 Max. If I want things throttled or slowed down, that is what the MBAir 13/15 is for! Great review.
Thank you for doing the timeline performance comparison!
Muy buen análisis! En cada uno de sus videos revisan a detalle cada uno de los puntos importantes. Felicidades!
Thank you for tearing it down to show us the speakers, you sir have a loyal follower!
Thanks a lot for doing this test. It really helped me deciding which one to buy.
Thanks guys! I have been waiting this comparison. Would love to see comparison bw 14" Base M3 Max and 14" 16/40 M3 Max.
Yes! Not one review of the 14-core Max 14" :(
I agree! And as the above commenter said, I haven’t seen that coverage anywhere which makes no sense cuz boy are they all sold out at Best Buy and my local store!
I wanted to buy the 14'' M3 Max but than I watched your performance comparison on the exact models with the M2 Max and well, now I watch this on my 16'' M3 Max and this thing totally blows my mind! Thank you so much for your reviews! :)
Hi , How is your battery life on average ?
@@NNox_ Hi sry for the late response. it is very good. when you run normal multi-tasking-productivity applications the battery will easily last the whole day or even longer. I haven't done a lot of heavy duty workloads on battery yet but so far it would last for multiple hours too. but I also try to use the battery in the least corroding way which means I try to never keep in plugged in for too long and always stay between 20-80% of charge.
I am very happy with my 16 inch M1 Pro and I bought it for exactly the reasons mentioned in this Video. I do not need to move it around a lot and I really like the extra screen real estate as well as the extended battery life of the 16 inch.
Your review of the M3 Max's heat issues was really helpful.
I always enjoy and find great value in your content because you deliver sharp and timely insights.
I had a similar impression with your review of the M2 Mac's SSD, and once again, your video is really good this time too.
yup going with the 14 and cooling pad
Please do this test with Base 14-core M3 Max on Macbook Pro 14" - I think that is the sweet spot to reduce overheating and noise while maintaining portability.
Would love to see this
Exactly. I bet the machine is plenty powerful too.
And cheaper
Agreed! @MaxTechOfficial please do this!
Agreed. Pricing is wild in the EU as well but at least the binned max rounds out at a "nice" 3999€" lol
Honestly I don’t trust the max chips in the 14” body. Too much fan noise too much heat. 14” is suited for the pro chip
14" should be better with 14c/30c chip. No point going for top chip only to get throttled down.
Can't wait for the 14/30c vs 14/40c test! I think the 14/40 is only fine for short bursts. Real Game Tests would be nice. Missed the Blender Render Test!
14" 11c 14c is better,
@@johnvan1756 It is not, I tested it (see my comparison)
I’ve got the point 14’’ 14c/30 it for 2 months now it works perfectly 💪🏾
And if you want mobility it’s perfect
In my case i have an imac 5k at home that’s why i went for a 14 inch
@@rubenduartepirescan you tell me how it handles heat and if the fans are often in action?
Thanks for helping me decide which macbook to purchase. Just ordered the16inch M-3 Max. But only the base max with 1tb
This is the very important question to be asked! tnx for the video.
awesome review! Thanks for all the work that went into this video
great comparison!
Nice! Max can you make a video comparing the binned M3 Max against the none binned 16 inch?
Always preferred larger laptops. Bigger screen, larger battery, and better cooling. Overall makes for a better experience for me personally. The extra weight and size feels like nothing to me. Plus the screen is big and I would want to experience that 16in MiniLED in it's full glory
Who the heck complained about the song during the sound test? That song is OG. Great review as always!
Omg, I love these comparison videos!!!
Dear @MaxTechOfficial, I appreciate your work, but I noticed a mix-up in the values on the graphs in a couple of your latest M3 videos, particularly in "surface temp over chip in cinebench..." and some of your previous videos. Please double-check. Thank you!
Great work as usual! Let's get that 14" vs 16" MAX Gaming Thermal Shootout :)
A comparison between the top end m3pro vs the low end m3max on a 14“ would be nice. Battery life, thermal throttle plz
Would love to see this comparison as well!
You should test the package power throttling theory by super cooling the 14”. Get a large pan filled with ice and cover it with plastic. Set the 14” on that and let it get nice and cool. Then rerun the comparison and see if the 14” improves.
Great Comparison! Thanks for the video, it helped me decide which one to choose between 14inch and 16inch
Now we need a 14" binned vs non binned test. Could the non-binned version run faster because it doesn't throttle as much ? edit: corrected binned
What about if you throttle deez nuts?
Wow this thread went downhill fast
@@Joe_Brig alas. I have been checkmated
I have a 14” m3 pro unbinned and saw notably ~15% higher multi core number on cinebench 2024 vs a review of a binned model I saw online. No overheating issues at all.
FYI the 16/40 is the binned version.
Binned = the better silicone, aka more cores.
Thanks for this comparison video :)
Thanks for this phenomenal test! One question though would be very helpfull in my case: Does the 14 inch perform the same in Logic as the 16 inch one? Thank you very much! Greetings, Bernd
Could you make a flow chart or a quiz to help to decide which model to get? Great stuff anyhow!
Excellent video. Thank you!
Anybody else think you are going to have issues trying to get on a flight with that power bank? LOL
Thank you it so clearly for decision for buy one.
As much as I love what Apple accomplished with the "Apple Silicon," yeah, no matter what, at least for now, we ended at the same point... more power -> more heat -> a better cooling system. Just think about gaming, Apple is starting to explore, but this is so much different to render because a normal gamer expects the same performance for hours of gaming, and yeah, that's the reason why we have big graphic cards, big pc cases and better cooling systems 😢😢 but it's incredible what a laptop can do these days
I think the cooling tech and battery tech need to improve
@@rohittkrr yeah for sure
Intel cpus in macs: *overheating*
Apple: *ditches them*
Apple cpus in macs: *overheating*
Apple: *visible confusion*
YES!!!!! Thank you for using a new song! So refreshing!
I’d like to see a thermal/fan/noise test between a 16” M3 Max 14cpu/30GPU vs a 16” M3 Max 16cpu/40gpu. I’m hoping the 16” 14/30 runs quiet for complex audio production projects with Logic Pro. I’m looking for the fastest quiet MBP (with the least amount of GPU overkill 😊). A friend says he’s never heard the fan on his M1 Max used for audio production. I’m hoping the 16” 14/30 M3 Max can do the same, but with even more power. Thanks for your videos!
I think the surface temp over chip graph got the labels mixed up, 16” was running cooler
Amazing comparison!
I'd love to see a fully spec'ed out 14" M3 Max vs the base M3 Max Mac Studio when it comes out. The best of thermals vs power!
Great video as usual thank you so much!
Quick question: is the cooling system on the 16" M3 Pro the exact same as in the 16" M3 Max? That would be super helpful thank you!
@MaxTechOfficial
Very good video, great tests. Despite the performance difference I think that the 14’’ is a very good value . In many tests it is close to the 16’’. You have great power combined with great portability. One thing i find odd though is the result at 11:12. Shouldn’t this work be done by the hardware encoders? If yes there shouldn’t be such difference.
Awesome comparison!!!
I think you accidentally mixed up the temps on the screen… unless you referred to them incorrectly in the video? Thank you so much for the comparison!
Need to test the BINNED 14 inch M3 Max to see if it matches that smaller cooler any better
Wish there was a Lightroom test and exporting on photos put on this test. Good job anyhow
Good thing most people will go for the M3 Pro instead of max, or at least not the top of the line $6k one. Would love to see the same test on M3 Pro machines, considering its thousands of $ less.
Wow, that was a useful test! Going with the 16.
Max Tech is so awesome! Their performance testing is extremely helpful and has saved me from big mistakes in placing my next MacBook Pro order. 16" fully loaded on order!
Did you make sure to turn on high-power mode on both? Curious if that makes a difference.
That's a bummer. Unfortunately, the 16 inch is a hard no for me. I tried it when the retina display was only available in the larger size and hated it. Honestly 14 is pushing it. I wish they'd made the 14 inch a little thicker to accommodate cooling required to take advantage of the additional power.
Are the differences between the 14 and 16 M3 the same as the differences on the M1 and M2? I agree in that they are both great machines but I don't need an upgrade. I much prefer the 16 for the screen and just live with the lack of portability. Son has the 14 from work and that is really great for walking around.
Considering the 14 m3max is being thermal throttled, how much better is it than the 14 m3pro? Would it still be worth the $400 if you were going you end up upgrading the m3pro to 36gig ram?
Can you please test the top m3pro 12/18 cores and base m3max 14/30 cores on 14 inch display as well ?
It would be nice to know if this happens on these models too
Best!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you!! Was waiting for this
Hey max, could you make a video comparing the M3 Pro, the M2 pro and the M2 Max? I feel like the M3 Pro isn't talked about a lot since it's release
this. I'd love to see a test between 16 M1 max and 16 M3 pro in Xcode, etc., in terms of fan speed, temps, performance.
Same question, thanks!
I agree I’d love to see that especially with the super detailed tests these guys do
The PowerBank looks like a bomb and will get you in trouble at the airport 😂
👍Very informative, a huge thank you 👍 for this comparison using M3-max (top tier 16/40)! It follows the same pattern you identified for the M2-max (top-tier) 14" & 16" models. If you happen to have access to this laptop... I'd be very interested to see an addendum to add the ***14" M3-max (lower-tier 14/30)*** to the comparison to see if the lower CPU/GPU count would fit more neatly into the smaller thermal envelope and resolve the thermal 'bottleneck', as there is also a considerable cost difference between the 14" M3-max (14/30) and 16" M3-max (16/40). If the lower tier M3-max 14" 'fits' more neatly into it's smaller thermal envelope to enable it to fully utilise its CPU & GPU cores; then don't you think it would offer a very good value option for those who want portability (pehaps also use an external screen), don't need quite as much processing power but still need a computer for intensive tasks. 0.5kg difference in physical weight aside, the thing that I find heavier is the idea of carrying the larger 16" fully specified laptop about worth more than £4K in my bicycle pannier between meetings! 😧 Your review of the 16" M3-max (14/30) was really helpful in that respect.
I think the M3 pro with upgraded unified memory is doing a much better job on the 14” chassis than the M3 max. Battery last longer and has less hiccups.. only a few seconds or a minute difference when performing heavy tasks.
Look at the GPU performance of both chips. Huge difference between M3 Pro and M3 Max
I agree also, the M3 Max is only suitable on the 16 inch chasis, not only that, but it seems like once again apple is capping the Max chip on the 14 inch to only draw 40W, (meanwhile the 16 can go up to 62W) even with that, the 14 inch machine still throttles and fans spinning full speed.
But then asking for a smooth 8K preview on a small laptop is a bit much to ask for, overall the base m3 pro chip really goes well with a 14 inch, and for someone who needs extra performance, might as well go for the 16 inch with m3 max
I’m still waiting for m3 16gb vs m3 pro 18gb. Thanks maxtech for all the good works.
I travel a lot via train, and a 14inch is just so much more comfortable to work with if you have limited environment space.
Hey, in the graph of temps.. you have it inverted. I’d recommend you use the sky-blue color for better scores… I know… it could be time-consuming.
Will the 14/30 m3 max also overheat in the 14”?
I think your temperature graphs are backwards. May want to double check and correct but we get the point. Great comparison.
What softwares are you using to get thee temperature CPU GPU percentages and the graphs?
Thank you for changing the song.
I feel like in a stress test I would expect the smaller one, to get hotter and throttle more, surely thats a "given" though?
Same reason desktops -> laptops. Be interesting to see a comparison with a real world task, rather than something designed to blow it up.
Personally I've always preferred the 14, just find it more flexible and... it is a fair bit cheaper - the bigger screen, fans etc aren't free, worth mentioning that those things come with a $$ attached to them.
It's also worth considering that the 14 with a cooling pad (which are very cheap), may be able to produce exactly the same performance as the 16.
I think you had the graph for the thermals backwards on the first one.
can you please compare m3 max vs m3 max binned vs m3 pro vs m3 16gb(24gb)? would be good to see the difference in fan noise and temperature results along with battery life. Thanks
@MaxTechOfficial Hi there.... I love the wallpapers you are using. Where can I download these for my beloved MacBookj M2 Pro 16"...... I wonder if there would be any goodies for me as a off-line designer in Adobe Illustrator, Adobe InDesign and often (lite) work in Photoshop to switch from the M2 Pro 16" to the M3 Pro 16"? And do you think the M4 will be arround summer/authum 2024? or even M5 spring 2025?
how about throwing a thermal pad on the CPU and heat sink under the hood? will it help reducing the heat?
Fantastic video thanks for sharing
Good material. One thing, you're recommending 16" over 14", but you didn't mention about their price.
Hello for music production purpose i dont know if it s possible to set up a limit to temp and/or fan speed ?
Does the M3 Pro has the same issues? 14" or 16". Thank you!
The 16” is very portable .. ppl truly overdo it when they say it’s “too big” it’s super #thin even in the padded case I got for it, and it easily fits in my various backpacks
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Depends on what your needs are with regards to portability. Carrying it in a backpack to/from work? Totally portable. Frequently needing to do work on a plane? Not so portable.
The problem isn't the 16" alone, the problem is people who carry multiple laptops. That's me. I have no problem with the MBP 16" as my solo driver, but for work we use a 17" inch ultralight, and to stay relevant in my spare time I carry around a 14" windows laptop (my work laptop has 16gb and can barely manage 2 VS instances + several chrome tabs). I would love to develop on a mac for work long term, so that's 3 laptops not including any other accessories. I travel for work weekly.
It’s heavy and much larger than the 14”. Those that use it on a plane or a local coffee shop will notice the huge difference. Even putting on your lap while in campus is harder with the 16” mbp. It’s great if it mostly to be home or taking it to commute to another desk..
The FCPX playback test of the 8K footage was worth the price of admission alone to this vid. I've been asking other YT's to show this. That 8K Canon footage is one of the toughest codecs out there for machines. Imagine spending as much as the 14" M3 MacBook Max costs and seeing that stuttering on playback! Totally unacceptable. I would've liked to have known whether it was playing back at "Better Quality" and what the frame rate was as well.
Yes better quality. 24fps I believe
@@MaxTechOfficialThanks! Was there any stuttering on the 16" ?
@@AllgoodthingsTvyes you can see in the video
Complaining about 8k playback on a 14” laptop is silly no matter the cost. Build a PC or get a desktop replacement (like the 16 mbp or the Mac Studio)
Well looks like I’m getting the 16” one.
Running the 15.6” 2018 Intel MBP
Hey, could you compare M1 Pro vs M3 Pro please ?
Try a Thermal Pad Mod on the 14 PLS !!!
+1 there are a lot of thermal pad test on Macbook Air but not a single one on the Macbook Pro 14
@@austinthecat if no one does it I will, I have my m3 max 14 inch coming Monday. Will try to write the results
@@austinthecat I think they haven’t done it because before m3 there was no throttling
Compare binned m3 Max vs the non binned Max please
Can you please compare the 12/18 core pro to the 14/18 core max? I haven’t seen anybody else comparing the two?
Really want the added portability on that one despite the performance flaws (which aren't always that noticeable from what I can see here). Sticking with the 14", can always hook it up to my Apple Studio Display for work where I need more screen real estate.
Would you guys compare the new Snapdragon X Elite chips to the new m3 chips. How will both these chips compare to the upcoming Intel and IBM chips and if everyone abandons the X86 what will happen to gaming.
Another mess-up on your graphs. “Surface temp over chip in Cinebench 2024 Mulit-core” had the graphs swapped. It’s showing 35 degrees for the 14” and 43 for the 16”. Someone needs to slow down a bit and double check what they’re doing.
Great job!!!
Could you do a test with the m3 max and an intel i9 with a 6800xt egpu ? I’m looking to upgrade but would like to know how much of a difference it will actually be. I use my MacBook Pro for video edit in davinci and like to use heavy color correction/grading and smart caching
Every time I hear Max say "Guys" take a shot. All I hear is Slack's bot, "Did you mean crew?".
Please help me, I am confused between Legion 9i and M3 Pro Max 36 GB 1TB varaint. I have no problem regarding the price, and both the OS are ok for me.
I use a few VM for ethical hacking apart from these I program and also do video edits.
Please recommend which one will be worth.
Now I am not going to get the m3 max maxed out for my 14 inch. Should I go with top end m3 pro or base m3 max with 14/30 core counts for my 14 inch? Aah but I will miss out on RAM 😢
Hi Max, could you compare the M3 Pro and M3 Max in the same form factor? particularly interested in the impact in battery life.
Me too. I want to see the thermal performance differences between high end m3 pro vs base m3 max (14/30 cores) in the same 14 inch chassis. Once I get the confirmation, I will go ahead and order the damn laptop for I don’t have any computer right now.
I'd like the same comparison but for the 16 inch if it's possible
I'll always go for 16 inch for better battery, bigger screen and it's also cooler when running heavy tasks, seems like better value for money.
At 5:51 it seems like the chart is flipped. The 16'' should have the lower temperature.
Besides the fact that you keep the two laptops close to one another while running these benchmarks, do you power through one after another or do you wait for the laptops to cool down before going to the next benchmark test?
I actually want to know this too 😳, since on theory it would for sure make a difference
Is it the same with the M3 and M3 pro or just the Max chip?
Test and compare all in low power mode. The M3 Pro is the only model with 6 efficiency cores!
There’s an error with your chart at 5:50. The titles are backwards. The 16” temperature should be the lower of the two.
since the 14 inch throttles would you be better of buying the 14 m3 max base model? 14 cpu 30 gpu instead of 16 and 40.