Why GPs Won't Come Back - MagicCons Are The Future!
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
- Today I wanted to go over why the Grand Prix system doesn't work and why the future of MagicCons also needs to be closely monitored!
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I started playing in late 2013 into 2014 as a freshman in high school. I am now 24 and feel more priced out now than I did when I was in high school with no job
Used to love going to gp's, we would prep all week and have a blast.but it used to be worth it, get a promo playmat, a promo playable card and chance to make some money and if you didn't at least you got some goodies. Now we pay 50$ to get a uncommon with a payout of 150$ for winning. Not worth
I think a lot of people WOULD pay ~$100 for a GP style event that could qualify you for the PT. People already do that for RCs and pay similar amounts for MagicCons. Also having badges come with vouchers for events would do a lot to encourage even casual players to come.
Legacy European Tour is the name of the organizer not the format. Think of it as SCG Tour in the US.
Formats are standard Pioneer and modern. Legacy is not a format offered
That's a pretty stupid name then, seeing as how it is the name of a format in Magic. 😂
He should honestly do a little research instead of just saying random stuff (thatmillguy)
@@ConVermin his point is still the same and is still valid. Gat damn haters will find any reason to hate. Go find some inner peace bro
@@cdude665 Not a hater? I sub to him lol just pointing out inaccuracies that he is speaking as a fact. All I'm saying is if you're making a video with as much reach as he has he should double check his info is all.
Just to say Legacy EU tour is not a legacy event it has standard and modern main events
I was gonna say the same thing haha, completely missed the mark on that one
@@lukagaljer5006 his point is still the same and is still valid. Gat damn haters will find any reason to hate. Go find some inner peace bro
You'd be printing what 500 to 600 in the year? The serialized Sol Rings from LoTR are going in the $5k-$10k range, just a year and half or so after printing. A staple like Polluted Delta could easily fetch a similar range, if not even higher.
I paid 70$ cad to play standard last chance qualifier at F2F in Montreal this year, mostly a casual player myself but I would not have played for double the price, I even thought that 70 was steep but I have no idea
I'm in the U.S. and I wouldn't pay more than $50 USD personally. According to current exchange rates, that $68 CAD. So I'd have paid that, but that is the absolute upper end for me.
There are other ways to make money with big events like this that to charge the prospective competitors an arm and a leg just to play some games.
I miss GPS. The standard GPS around kaladesh we're some of my favorite times playing magic. And making day 2 on a gp felt so good. But magic cons don't feel the same at all.
60$ for the standard with optional drafts and free comander tables the 200 of us that wanted to sit and grind for that spotlight table or the grand prize it was sweaty and fun and worth it.
The thing is there is a huge difference in how a C suit/advertiseguy sees events and how the audience/customerbase sees/want to use them
As long that divide is there you get this, but there needs ways for the die hard to play and enthusiasts to join vOv
until then ill keep pauper :D
I like GP i would probably do them if they were in my state more since travel is asking a lot. Mostly to meet artists and have fun at the other events. Last one I did was in Miami what feels like ages ago but i got a playset of every guild charm signed by the artist. Which i took a game loss to stand in line for.
I would live to attend another GP. They had one at a city within driving distance of me. It was way easier to drive 4 or 5 hours than take a plane halfway across the country or world to play one of the 4 events they do now. It almost like...why even play competitively. There is no payoff. Not like it used to be.
This used to be a game for kids. Now kids have been priced out of the game. It's a joke.
It's a GAME. It has NEVER been a game for kids. It's a GAME that people who like GAMES can play. Age is not a factor. Hell, if we are going to consider age a factor, then early OG Magic from the 90s could largely be argued to have needed a parental warning for small children.
Yeah it's pretty sad what this game has become. Now it's just a bunch of self entitled adults who act like children playing this game!
@@Xoulrath_ It's ALWAYS been a childs game little fella. Just because YOU never grew up, doesnt negate the fact you're crying over a card game for children.
@@user-rb4nj8hr5u Maybe a game for teens, but the pack price was not kids change, and the art in the first sets was not done with a child demographic in mind.
@@Dstinct the majority of the playerbase was 12 to 18 years old when the game first started. Regardless of what art appeared on cards the majority of players were still not in college yet!
The legacy european Tour is Not legacy.
The Organizer is called legacy.
The Formats were Standard, Pioneer or modern
Pokemon Regionals Indianapolis had over 2,000 players for the card tournament alone. This number doesn't include VGC, Pokemon Go, or casual con attendees. Why can't WotC figure it out?????
Because Pokemon knows how to be collectable and affordable, as well as competitive. You can get competitive Pokemon deck for less than $100, which is ludacris compared to most magic decks.
@@blueredlover1060 actually your overestimating standard deck costs. Most decks range between $40-$60. I took a $45 deck and made day 2
@@pikachuhoodie I remember one only being $30, but that was a couple of years ago, so I figured under $100 would better encompass the format.
I'm shocked the Pro Tour still exists.
They could litterly have them stamped and numberd to. Like GP MN X/Y GP LV X/Y ect.
I just wish they brought back the old DCI style prereleases, but I'm not sure how well that would go anymore with the economy and how much product they are putting out nowadays.
I'd love GP for Standard, pioneer and Modern and the end of edh noobs
How the hell does a GP cost north of 100 dollars an entree when most cons that have a whole convention center aren't even charging that for a 3 day event?
I still struggle to understand why the Death of the competitive Scene would be so dreadful for the overall game... Someone care to explain?
Same reason professional sports exist.
Because as with all games, the presence of a professional circuit adds an intangible, but extremely valuable aspirational element for many players who wish to take the next step beyond playing in a casual setting which more people are likely to do if more people from their surroundings do so and those people will do so if sufficiently incentivised, all of which ultimately a) strengthens the playerbase, b) further legitimises the hobby (which some people may need), c) results in steady recruitment of new players, and d) ultimately drives stable sales for the company making/hosting/organising the game and adjacent products.
@@lukagaljer5006 Sounds like a ponzi scheme with extra steps
The way I understand it is that if there is no competitive circuit there would be no reason to buy magic cards. You can just proxy everything since casual can't be regulated.
@@lukagaljer5006 Also gives value to cards other than commander cards, For example thoughtseize, lightning bolt and the elementals etc. And as most mtg boomers I started my love for the game with 1v1 type 2, modern and legacy.
7:40 arena has no gathering. Not even the same game imo
I don't have any LGS with mtg support within an hour and a half drive of me. That aside, Arena's just really good for playing.
They bring a large marjority of new players into EDH but don't have the balls to start validating the format into a more competitive product. cEDH tournaments have been running with 100+ players each month, some even all on-site!
If WotC recognized cEDH as an official sanctioned format, they would absolutely not allow proxies in the format then
@@mathewdebol923 @mathewdebol923 That'd be okay tbh. It would be a Legacy format, and i've been thinking about how a Modern + Commander Sets pack for a Commander format would look like, that way Legacy cards would not be included and the need for proxies would not be the case to some extent. And both formats could co-exist.
WoTC tried to make something like this, but Brawl was a mistake and not made for 4 players. xD
First, I mill you for 1 sir.
I miss flying out to gps.
Meeting folks
Jamming games non stop.
But community has been too Woke and wotc has clearly pushed out normies