Sonic Frontiers with a side of salt
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"Collecting the collectables allows you to collect the collectibles for collecting the chaos emeralds"
I don't know what he said but I'm convinced!
i like your funny words magic man
for collecting the collectible chaos emeralds, to be exact.
& Knuckles
Or you can go fishing for about an hour. Just saying i don’t think i would consider this Game to be a collectible game to be honest.
They key item to progress does not amount to the amount of items that you “can” collect
Go fishing, buy 20 keys, grab the chaos emeralds and move on. Or you can adventure and do the high speed sonic fun for the sake of being literally sonic, eventually you’ll just get there!
Ill take twenty
The fact he didn't rage or have a meltdown is already a good sign
I rage quit with Forces because it had some atrocious physics with classic sonic. Scott's comments on the gameplay make me really not even want to give it a try
@@123goofyking how to ruin your life, because other people have different opinions and just want to have fun with video games in a nutshell. Raargh.
@@cream3135 Who's life is being ruined??
@@123goofyking sonic fans will unironically accuse u of being an anti social depressed reject for not liking their shitty hedgehog games.
@@123goofyking yours
I think the thing I respect the most about Frontiers is it's the first time in a long while that a sonic game - like Scott said - has really *tried* something. They shot for the moon with this idea, and I think that turnaround from what sonic was rapidly becoming lost in for years prior outweighs a lot of what makes it somewhat frustrating to play at times. That's just me, though
"shot for the moon"
_i see what you did there_
@@Victini7472 they really pissed for it
@@donutholebandit6212 can't believe sonic pissed on the moon
@@Victini7472 i miss my wife, tails
@@AnEmu404 i miss sage, tails
i miss her a lot
i'll be back
The weird thing about the Drop dash in Cyberspace is that it DOES have momentum, and it feels very similar to Classic sonic games, but for some reason if you hold down left/right on the control stick, it kinda just... breaks? If you just let go of the stick it mostly works really well!
It feels like it has Sonic 1 syndrome, where there was a speed cap on how fast you could run, which made stuff like the giant slopes in Spring yard really awkward.
you can upgrade the speed cap in game with the elder Koko
The reason that there's so much jank was not only because this could have spent more time in the oven but because they build the entire game based on whatever engine they used for PSO2:NG (they literary copy and pasted some of Sonic's attack animations from a class in that game) and it's also the reason why both games look similar.
@Xion Stellar I mean tbf sega does own PSO2:NG
The thing is that sonic 1 was made for that, and the big slope is easy if you have more than 1 brain cell, sonic 1 is about using your abilities to your advantage to gain speed, rolling and running, you run then you roll then boom speed, I hate this " sonic 2" syndrome where sonic fans just can't seem to get more than 1 braincell AT BEST
@Danielle P Harrell are you saying that the spindash is worthless, because there are plenty of points in sonic 1 where having the spindash would've greatly helped
Bruh the fact that Sonic being able to just perfectly walk up slopes and walls without any resistance of gravity makes me laugh so much!
“Physics? Nah we don’t need those around here!”
Funny enough though inthe cartoon he does use anti gravity shoes to do that
Im guessing you never saw Sonic 06 gameplay...because standing upside down in a loop is the norm there
Sonic never follows the laws of physics
It’s actually just a Sonic 4 reference.
aw hell naw they got them Sonic 4 physics
Nice to see the internet agree that Sonic Frontiers is somewhat decent of a video game.
It's no Sonic Forces so it's alright in my book
It's a solid 7/10 to me
i don't play sonic but it looks okay
@@iggypikminunderly782 to me it's a 8
That tells a lot of how low standards are for Sonic Fans TBH
I like that they at least acknowleged how terribly they've been handling Tails' character in recent games. They may have even been hinting at a Tails spinoff game, or like you mentioned, perhaps a new adventure game.
Fr. When the cutscene of him talking about his insecurities to Sonic played I just translated it in my head to, "hey Sonic, remember how I had a character arc in Sonic Adventure and just forgot about it the last couple years and became the worst character in the series? Weird right?"
Part of me just wishes they didn't acknowledge it. Pretend Forces and Lost World never existed, because boy Tails was an A-hole in the latter game.
Thought: New adventure game, but Tails forms his OWN team rather than being in Team Sonic. Sonic would instead be paired with Forces OC and new character from new adventure game. (yes I assume there would still be teams/factions)
@@LoliconSamalik Has the lyrics to undefeatable says "Running from the past is losing game. It never brings you glory."
Tails is confirmed to be playable in 3rd phase of Frontiers' 2023 roadmap alongside Knuckles and Amy.
Oh yeah guys, it's happening.
Fun fact: they actually -are- setting up for another Sonic Adventure! Iizuka stated a few months ago that Frontiers is a test to see what they could do with the Adventure format before they commit to making a third title, this is basically an experiment to see what they can do for the next entry.
Don't.... do that. Don't give me hope. 😭
Well, if this is there base for a third Adventure game it's not looking good.
OH HELL YEAH!
So they sold us their tech demo. Well, that explains alot.
@@soulcyclone360 No! Forces was the tech demo for this game.
It's also worthy mentioning you can absolutely break the game if you cyloop on the ground over and over. It doesn't just give you coins. It has a slight chance of dropping defense and attack seeds as well as hearts.
RINGS NOT COINS
WELP.
Yeah but it's still not as efficient as good ol fishing
It works sometimes but never when I need like one more character token and im madly drawing circles
@@Swagpion **Cosmo_yelling_at_Timmy.png**
“I need those coins for laundry!”
"Sonic now stops on a dime"
Luigi: Mario these hedgehogs stop on a dime
"This is better than Brooklyn!"
Give me all the dimes you got
@@lolstuffenjoy9880 hey'a peach, got any dimes?
Yeah, why?
We'a building a wall keeping the pesky hedge-a hogs from ruining our land.
Oh good... Wait-
*BUT- BUT BIG'S IN IT, BIG IS COMPETING!*
sonic: *”you cannot beat me.”*
Still don’t understand WHY Big got his own fishing dimension, but I’m all for it to be honest.
I don't know if it's too spoilery, but according to a dialogue between Sonic and Sage, the stages behind the portals are build upon memories off of Sonic's brain which got uploaded into that world's network. So it's his fondest memories of places of his past (therefore also fishing with Big) that will be built in cyberspace.
"Sonic runs too slow."
Two seconds later
"Sonic runs too fast at max speed."
I know! It’s ridiculous!
What I would like for sonic's max speed without boosting is a middle ground of his max ring speed and his normal speed in this game
He said hard to control not too fast
@@TheAdvertisement Homing Boost is the only way to zip in Cyberspace stages, even sega had put a video out in regards to it.
This isn't a contradiction
Say minimum speed is too slow, and maximum speed is too fast, both of these things are not mutually exclusive
This game is definitely worth it. As someone who was so fatigued from forces this game feels like an apology for forces. Its great and loads of fun. The things this games does brings me promise for the future of sonic.
I’ll be curious to see if they keep Ian Flynn on for future games cause wow, this story was really good. Definitely hope they begin to fix a lot of these bugs. Heard stuff about how Izuka had to fight for a delay, so I doubt they wouldve been able to get another year even if they tried.
Blame Sega. The company has this habit of pushing out games before they are anywhere finished. I'm just glad this particular Sonic game is even playable. I honestly hope they keep Ian Flynn on for future games.
Holy beans, Ian Flynn wrote for Sonic Frontiers? That's awesome. He's easily the best storyteller the franchise has ever had, never thought I'd see him work on the games though. I seriously hope he stays on, and I can only hope Sonic returns the the Adventure days of actually trying to have a story.
Ian only worked on the dialogue afaik, the overall plot was still provided by SEGA. Which might explain why the dialogue and character interaction was the strongest trait of the game, while the overall plot itself... left much to be desired.
@@Knight41bsometimes I wonder how does the Yakuza team manages to produce so much good stuff while Sonic Team keeps suffering, though I think I heard somewhere that the good devs from Sonic team get transferred to the Yakuza team. idk
They mentioned how they could not get another delay if they wanted, but they also said early on that this game has been in development since before Forces launched. It’s had *5 years* more time would not have fixed most of these bugs. They used to get more consistent products in less time, and now that they have more time (and took several development shortcuts) they seem to consistently be making mediocre games. The main things to fix are either very minor or things that other people have been doing for years already and they simple choose not to include them.
Sonic stopping near-instantly is how he's portrayed in the TV shows and in the movies. Though they probably could have made it felt better in-game.
doesnt he usually have a little skid, because hes going so fast?
here he just stops as if he was in a casual walk
@@DodgeThatAttack I've seen both depending on the situation.
except here there's no animation, there's no wind-down, there's no anything he just stops. The whole game honestly looks like one of those cheap "what if x was in unreal engine" demos
@@JeeblyWBush *they hired that man*
@@kaxcommentssomethingREAL Nintendo kill this man instantly
Sonic Frontiers to me is the game equivalent to the first sonic movie. It’s pretty ok, you might have a fun time with it, but there’s definitely a huge slew of things that can be improved upon.
there's a lot of work to be done, but its definitley a step in the right direction, especially on the story side of things, as for the music well... that's always been pretty banger.
Oh it's getting improved alright, massively
I haven’t played the game yet, but just watching a video from ScottFalco makes the game look so much better
Lets go my man cannoli also watches scott
Now go watch dunkey and see how bad it really is
@@SgtNomadZero why watch a cuckolds opinion?
I think if it wasn’t for Green Hill being reused in this game, Forces, and Mania, I’d be down for an open zone game set on South Island since along with Sonic 1, Sonic 2 8-Bit, Chaos, and Blast took place there and I think it’d be fun to see how they’d connect the zones together like if Yellow Desert from Blast was in a remote area accessible through a tunnel in Green Hill or Underground for example.
@@ksNanoSquid You say that when the symphony from last year covered the Game Gear games
An open world South Island would be awesome, as long as it’s not 100% Green Hill Zone like Sega sometimes thinks it is
im gonna make the executive decision that sonic blast took place in the 06 timeline and was erased along with it and i think the world will carry on just fine but the rest of this sounds good
Honestly I’d love an Open Zone game with each Island being one of the islands from the Classic games
i just wish they stopped beating us around the head with green hill zone, make it like peaches castle or SA2s green hill zone- a reward for completing the game or just as an end of adventure detox area.
Honestly I never thought about it that way but Sonic just being fast w/o boost pads and designated go fast buttons might be what he actually needs, so the challenge is about keeping momentum and being stylish while doing it. Kind of like how anyone can fight in DMC but it takes skill and practice to look sick while doing it.
As someone whose studied too much Sonic, this boost pad approach was sem inevitable
EVeryone wants to be ballin' only 10% want to/have the time to get to that level in the first place
So Sonic Team made it easier so the 90% could feel like the 10% (these numbers are pure bullshit but casuals are plantiful)
@@TechBlade9000 I dont think that's true; there is a whole market of people who like high-skill ceiling video games.
Only Journalists and lets play youtubers would really increase the market of a low-skill ceiling video game; and neither of those really like Sonic.
@@iug5672 I mean sonic is a kids franchise first and foremost so they can’t aim for super high skill ceilings like DMC5 that would alienate the key audience. Mario odyssey was piss easy but it’s still fun.
@@battman505 I only said semi (spelt wrong)
Because Kirby exist
It can be your baby angel or Dark Souls
And kids still love it
Sonic should have done the same
@@battman505 high skill ceiling doesn't mean the game is hard; just that there is a lot freedom/space for you to grow and improve (hence the ceiling is high).
e.g: a newbie could beat Mortal Kombat 9's campaigns and missions without ever learning about combos but the combos are there for when they get invested enough to learn.
The ending song and Eggman's last scene (before the post-credits stinger) really tugged my paternal-instinct strings. Expressing such emotion, and how the character deals with it, with just a little bit of animation and a clenched fist was incredibly impressive and impactful.
For drop dashing in 2D cyberspace levels you’re supposed to let the analog stick go. For some reason the momentum of the drop dash is affected by the movement of your stick!
Full retard Sonic team
Will keep that in mind.
That’s wonky, why would anyone let go of the stick in a Sonic game? You’re gut instinct is to move forward
@@Broomer52 exactly! This definitely goes on the list of weird design choices
@@lightlemur5567 it has to be a bug. No way they thought this would be fun.
I said the EXACT same thing when I watched the launch trailer! Like, holy COW, where was the person who made this trailer all those months ago when they first unveiled the game??? Clearly they got someone else in the director’s seat for this one, because DAMN, that trailer actually made me want to go and buy the game, lol
crazy right? almost as if the point of the trailers and advertising was to sell the game...
Between this and the Sonic movie, I'm starting to think that the worse a trailer is for a Sonic product, the better it'll end up being.
The trailer for the next game should just be a rotating turd on a plate, the game would end up being so good it would being about world peace.
That trailer _was_ the reason I bought the game.
And I still have no regrets.
For someone who was so hyped for this game, I managed to COMPLETELY miss the release and this is how I find out it came out
Personally I liked the Cyberspace stages and totally understand if you don’t. They were just fun and was nice to get S Ranks. It felt a lot less confusing than Sonic Colors
I'm pretty sure the creators have said in an IGN interview this game is the new direction for Sonic going forward, and that it will have a big influence on how they go about SA3, so yeah, Sonic Adventure is definitely being set up.
HOLY SHIT thats awesome
they are doing a remaster of sonic adventure the first game they teased it a few years ago they not making an adventure 3.
Does that mean chao garden might come back?
Adventure 3 has been "setting up" for almost two decades.
@@bazzfromthebackground3696 after 06 i think they want to have everything under control on the Adventure side
Honestly, I think the best part about the relationships in this game was Eggman's relationship with his new daughter. Not gonna spoil anything yet, but seeing that compassionate and caring, dare I even say loving, side of Eggman was a very welcome change of pace, and really made me reconsider his character.
I loved the audio logs you get through the fishing minigame. It added an extra bit of depth to a character that *really* needed it.
That transition was clean at 3:48
On the plus side, while it’s not a complete revival in quality I think this could be a step in the right direction. Better to have a small change in quality in the right direction than no improvements :P
As someone who didn't grow up with the older games, my first game being Sonic Colors, I'm actually really used to the way that Sonic is weighted through the levels. So it played just fine for me. Plus I went to the settings and changed the running and turning settings, so it plays uniquely to me. My biggest complaint is the map. Why can't I just have a small mini map in the corner instead of opening the big map every time I get lost?
God after over a decade, sega still cant figure out that sonic should roll down hills...
@@barrykane7844 he literally showed video proof that's not true my guy
@@barrykane7844 it's feels lame tho
@@barrykane7844 it does
@@bluudevil4483 this isn't constructive criticism just sounds like blind hate.
@@barrykane7844 the video has good criticism that I agree on some points with it but your comment is just...yea
Not sure what setting Scott chose, but if you choose the “action style” mode Sonic’s speed is slower than if you choose the “high speed style”. That may be why Scott says sonic feels slow
nah m8, I'm well into Chaos Island and both styles are pretty heavy from the onset until you upgrade your boost speed. and since cyberspace resets your stats back to base temporarily (except rings which are upgraded to a full 999 capacity) it can be pretty bad in some sections. like the drifting tutorial
I feel like the whole idea of having different styles/controls settings in menus just isn’t good design at all; most reviewers barely remember it existing and it really shouldn’t be up to them to figure out which is “better”; that should be the game designers’ job.
@@CleaveTheDragon reviewers and journalists shoudn't bê treated like kids that can barely do anything by themselfs, If they can't ever check options to see If they can change up How the game is being controlled to see If they enjoy It more despite How easy and simple It is to do that, then That's their problem, and not the developers.
@@CleaveTheDragon Considering how modern games are praised for having accessibility options now, it seems that it's going to be the standard moving forward.
@@souza885 having to go into the settings menu frequently in order to give your game good controls is a sign that your video game doesn’t play very good, if changing styles is so important to how the game is played why can’t I do it on the fly? Why is it hidden away in options menus if it’s so important?
I think you said it best at 7:50. They tried something, and it made me hopeful. Might not be the 9 out of 10 I wanted but it wasn't horrible and it gave Amy, Knux ,and Tails some much needed screen time and developments. Definitely a step in the right direction.
I wish they'd make another Adventure 1 Style game (Gameplay and character wise) with Adventure 2 style Chao Gardens, but I doubt either would actually happen (especially Chao Garden sadly).
Some of the 3D cyber stages are redone/reskinned SA2 levels like City Escape and Radical Highway which is super cool.
Yeah but they're stripped away from all interesting set pieces and personality
@@Substantial-hf1rm I'm actually okay with the way they did it. And the explanation they gave made sense in-universe. Otherwise, it would have just been Generations.
@@phoggypsych Haven't 70% of recent sonic games ALSO just been generations?
@電話 But then how would they be able to stuff in 9 instances of Green Hill?
You mean lazy
This video was awesome!
I love the insight on how Sonic controlled, the idea of a weighted Sonic intrigues me and I’m excited to try it out for myself on Saturday
On the Asura miniboss topic "not working" I respond with: Skill issue. I had zero problems fighting it and even discovered a possible speedrun strat (Despite in a speedrun you would avoid fighting these things as much as possible I'd assume) by air boosting when it knocks you back down to the ground after one rep of damage. You can cancel the fall and immediately start working on the next phase, rinse and repeat till all 3 arms are destroyed and you get your portal gear.
Got a hot tip for you, after u destroy one horn and he trys throwing u off just hold parry in the air then airdash onto his torso. Repeat the process and you can beat him in one go without touching the ground.
0:22 to me it’s the opposite and sonic just flies around everywhere.
Honestly, I wish they kept the opens on physics for the cyberspace levels (you’re right about the physics being different). Also, your hot take isn’t an uncommon one.
I really like the weight actually. I prefer having more control of my character, and it frustrates me when I don’t. It’s what infuriates me going back to Sonic games I enjoyed as a kid. My inputs don’t feel like they matter.
It took me a while to get used to controlling Sonic in this game, at the beginning I couldn't stop seeing all the rough edges and it really annoyed me, but I sat with it and by the end of the first Island I was enjoying playing the game. I will say, the game doesn't really feel like a proper game right off the bat, like it kinda just felt like they make this as a basic demo for their new gameplay model. The game feels odd and they have a lot to iron out, but now that I've settled in I am really enjoying it.
Omg FINALLY someone acknowledge the existence of Sonic Utopia! That game made me realize how much potential 3d sonic really could have and I was really hoping for something like that in Frontiers...
Having said that though, I still really liked this game! I really hope we'll get a sequel with the Sonic aesthetic and not just a beautiful but bland world and maybe loops and stuff to interact with that are part of the world and not just floating around.
1:35 OH GOD SONIC 4 PTSD KILL IT WITH FIRE.
Appreciate the well-rounded review. Been looking for one since release.
I'm heartened to hear it's got potential given its (limited) experimentation with what we've had for the past number of years from Sonic. I hope there's some kid out there who plays this and feels the joy I did playing S3 for the first time and gets into the rest of the series (barring Boom) as a result.
It all comes down to "7/10 needs more momentum", isn't it?
I feel like the problem with the cyberspace missions is that sonic’s movement is way more physics based for the open world but that sort of stuff doesn’t work for the more boost style throwback stages so the physics and stage are constantly fighting each other
the cyberspace stages have their own physics in fact the way the community fixed the cyberspace levels was by modding the open zone physics into them.
This game is really fun and can be better with a patch. It's a fresh and new idea that fits with Sonic. It's a good step forward to improve on in the future.
I love that part when Sonic says "It's dashing time" and dash all over the place truly the moment of all time
Or when he says "Stand back I'm about Super Sonic!"
Or when he says “it’s grindin’ time” and grounded on everything, such a memorable moment.
Oh my God it’s the billionth Morbius joke that’s so fucking funny
@@justananimator1752 yes it's fucking overused but the algorithm kept it anyway
1:40 sonic just casually walking up a wall is hilarious to me. I feel like there is a secret formula to why sonic is a success but the more they try and go “maybe if we try something different, THAT will work unlike the other times” they just end up getting farther away from the formula
Probably the adventure formula ngl that was perfectly fine then they completely ditched it after 06 was a buggy mess they dropped a good system then ran with boost formula now
Easily one of my favorite Side of Salts
Love the content as always, and always looking forward to the next video!
One thing I heard about the general "speed" of sonic in frontiers is that there's a CONFIGURABLE top speed for sonic, for your gameplay did you play with the highest top speed?
es mas bien que tan rapido sonic empieza a correr
@@DanielTorres640. bummer
@@SuperBailey por que
From what I've played, the sliders only apply to the hub world. Not cyberspace
The game is slower but I think is for the better. Cyberspace is a lot of fun since you have Forces crazy air boost in stages with actual level design. Sadly Unleash/Generations boost never came back but Frontiers feels like a faster adventure game. The boost is insanely fast in the open world tho.
Finished the game yesterday and its by far my favorite Sonic game. Never was big on Sonic gameplay, but Frontiers just worked for me. Also absolutely love the writing.
That’s Ian Flynn for ya, I’m so glad they got him on this game for the writing
Fishing has 2 really cool things about it.
1. Egg memos
2. The music
And a secret third thing
3. It breaks the game
7:28 They also did this for Unleashed to.
You have to keep playing the game and earn XP and Level Sonic up especially for the Warehog.
But hey I love the slow beginning of this game, definitely feels like an Unleashed progression system.
This game looks like fun and I thoroughly enjoyed hearing your thoughts, def seems like a fun times although I do agree that sonic should be far less limiting and far more free with it's movement and physics, I think it'd be cool if they prioritized that and built off of it
Tbh, I enjoy the slower walking pace to allow you to actually not speed around at every waking moment, the boost is more of just a run which I enjoy, levelling up his speed makes it easier to control earlier on and feel progressive. I can see where you're coming from with the Drop Dash momentum however, I enjoyed using it in the Open-Zones. Plus Combat is for sure Basic but it's pretty fun overall (despite some Mini Bosses being a little annoying). 8/10 for me, really enjoyed it as it went on.
yeah i think the boost in this game is just a run button in disguise, so i appreciate this game for not being a boost game and doing something new
@@DodgeThatAttack it’s still a boost game lmao you’re just coping
@@robertwyatt3912 OK but its still not a "boost game" as far as I care...
The boost doesn't hurt enemies and isn't limited in almost any way except very occasionally you can't just hold the button forever (unless you draw an infinity symbol)
I mean it just objectively is something different.
Honestly, why am I even bother explaining it to you, you're obviously just one of those losers who goes around looking for people to make fun of because they enjoy things you don't.
I absolutely loved the game, especially the callbacks to the previous titles. They brought on Ian Flynn who used to write for the Sonic Comics, someone who people said should be working on the story of the games for such a long time (and instead we had the creator of happy tree friends writing who knew little to nothing about the series). The callbacks to previous games felt less like a "Hey did you play X? You wont get this is you didnt play it!" and more of a love letter to the fans to tie up loose ends. Hell, it was shown that Sonic only JUST found out that tails kind of lost his mind when he thought Sonic was dead at the start of Forces.
To me, it feels like this is a way for Sega to wrap up the series and all the past games, and now start a brand new story that doesn't require you to have knowledge of previous games, or wont feel as limited. The characters all confronted who they are and want to grow, which is something we haven't really seen from them before. Whatever they produce next, I cannot wait to see what changes come. Unless of course nothing changes and the characters are all exactly the same.
Gotta love it when you hit one box and all 3 of them break. Imagine having to upgrade the speed of the fastest being alive
6:55 "probably could've used another urine developpement"
This seems better than I expected. Might check it out it goes on sale
"Im a Sonic fan, a decent playable 7 is like a 10 for us BAYBEE!" -CircletoonsHD
2:46 sonic has been learning some new tricks after sonic forces
Getting S rank in the cyber zones it the most infuriating part IMO. I'm playing on switch and it for the most part doesn't feel that bad. The biggest problem i am finding is when in cyber zones it sometimes doesn't register button presses. I'll press jump or attack, and it just won't sometimes. I've also noticed that you stop boosting whenever you are off the ground. It is infuriating when trying to get s ranks.
this series is always so funny 😂
"feels like the floor is magnetized"
YEAH
you nailed that one
I just missed sonic, man. Also, goddamn I cant help but wait until the end of every video watching that little Scott go.
“He’s too slow”
Literally 5 seconds later
“He’s too fast”
Now that you mentioned koroks, i never noticed the actual impact that breath of the wild, and i guess that mario odisey too had on the gaming industry
So fun technique with the Cyloop if you make an "8" you get infinite boost for quite a while! Definitely accidentally found this trying to make my own ball art lol.
One thing I will say: I got massive Toei Sonic vibes from the controls. Between boosts sticking you to sheer cliffs, the fact that you can stop dead whenever you want, and the ability to chain moves into each other as you fling yourself across the world, the only thing missing is Sonic Boom.
The music, not the game.
There's even the classic jumping from rock to rock (well, homing attack from rock to rock, but close enough I guess) scene.
The game turns out to be about what I thought it would be not perfect just pretty neat bases for future projects that can become legendary in time via community action
8:25: My irrelevant opinion is this:
Sonic Frontiers isn't just the most successful experiment the devs have put into the franchise, it's the best story bar-none. Yes, even better than either Adventure. I think it's proof that all the fans asking for more mature content can deliver knockout returns if handled well and the core traits of each character worked with instead of being made cheap jokes. I think the decision to omit later-developed characters like Rouge and Shadow helped make the deeper moments with Tails, Amy, and Knuckles much more meaningful. As much as I think the writing team for this could've made them shine, Amy getting tearful over two lost lovers or Knuckles leading a dead platoon wouldn't have worked if The Emo was belittling them for "losing in the first place" or not giving a shit about their trauma because none of then are Maria. Sage's appearance may have been brief, but I think she's going to become a fondly remembered character, and a very important moment of fleshing out Eggman. We've seen him be fond to his creations before, but never in the games has he ever been so praising, and so saddened, over a creation like Sage.
The Open Zone content being short and partially is unfortunate, but given how much more of a risk this was I think it's a good first attempt and worth your money. I'm not going to speculate on how "worthwhile" any potential DLC would be, but more islands would probably be an easy sell. The light touch of RPG to me helps sell the feeling of having to build up in a new situation of adventure and danger. Almost a Metroid-vania in concept. Plus the fact the Bosses are all Evangelion Units with the serial numbers filed off made me giggle and feel super-hyped. The ability to outright control how fast Sonic runs and turns from the options menu is something I wish more platformers did, rather than make janky physics and controls just a 'part of the challenge'. The player should have control over a toolset to overcome obstacles, not rely on luck, guesswork, or RNG.
Cyberspace is something that I think we can mark as the solidification of a worrying trend, the obligatory inclusion of "classic" 2D stages. Ever since Generations, every title has had this shift between 3d and 2d being baked into the mix of mechanics and I don't think the devs are handling it well. Especially with games like Sonic Mania and the perfection of Sonic 1-2 to modern systems showing there are people out there who fully understand the original formula. I think the message the devs took from Generations is that the aesthetics and surface-level appearances are what their core customers are looking for, and with how the initial trailers were received that seems to have been reinforced for Frontiers. It's not quite 'wanting to make a movie but wound up with a game', but I definitely get the feeling there's a market and creator base for just watching Sonic do all these adventures among crazy backdrops. And maybe that's where things'll go with the Sonic Movie Trilogy. But so long as Sega lets people make fangames of Sonic, we'll probably have no lack of options to try and find what we want out of the blue blur.
Also, Sonic Boom is now Main Canon. You cannot escape Sticks. She is coming for your can openers.
The best thing is Eggman being a dad.
0:35 I'd argue boost no longer killing enemies is a good thing. Boost to win felt even more braindead than Werehog combat in Forces.
4:17 IS THAT FUCKING MIRAGES VA???
Just glad they kept Roger Craig Smith as sonic's voice. He has a good voice for the sonic lines
Ikr
@@markofthewolvessucks8930 no wonder people ignore you toxic ped_>0 lover 😏
Sega needs to start asking creators of fan-games for tips and general assistance in development.
Music, Speed and nifty locations. That's all i want from my sonic games.
I super recommend you all check out Spark the Electric Jester, those games understand momentum *super* well. Going from 2 to 3 is also a major jump in quality. Less momentum and total speed than Sonic Utopia, but a much tighter control on zone movement.
9/10 for me, haven't had this much fun in a long time for me, last good Sonic game for me was Generations, and to have this is awesome! 🔥
That really adds a feeling of wonder and history to the game. Thats exciting.
5:02 sega literally said if the game does well they’ll consider an SA3
WOW! they made a decent 3D Sonic Game! Good job Sonic Team! Game came out today so some of this stuff will HOPEFULLY be fixed.
Just something to inform you of, unless they removed the option. You can increase Sonic's speed in the options menu. The difference is significant.
Played through the first map and a little over half of the second. I agree with the cyberspace complaint. Honestly, not too troubled with the weight, just the speed he can go. This is especially noted when you go from overworld boosting to cyberspace. It just feels jarring
‘This feels…like a fan game”
Thank you! I was thinking the exact same thing. The open world alone feels empty and the cutscenes lacking much needed life.
The voice they chose for Sonic in Sonic Frontiers gives me heavy "Crushing 30's" vibes. Which was a really nice song by the Chalkeaters ft. Johnny Gioeli.
Honestly, fan games are pretty much the only sonic games I get excited for
Imagine being excited for Sonic Omens
Right, with Sonic games you get a 70% chance of fun game, with fan games you get like 10% of fun or good finished projects.
I am counting games not mods, which are not at all the same.
@@orlandofurioso7329 Sonic mania was the best sonic game in decades.
@@retroflame3104 That's your perspective, my favourites are Unleashed and 06 for 3D and Sonic 3 for 2D
Sonic Frontiers isn't that bad IMO.
"And not because half of them are green hill zone" lol😂
I think cyberspace had some good stages and some REALLY neat references in actual sections from stages that we normally don't get references to.
I do like the idea of Sonic just being fast, like he was in the older games. That being said, I also like the idea of him being able to effortlessly stop on a dime, since he demonstrated the ability to do so in the cartoons, and even in animated cutscenes from past games. If there was some kind of stop-animation showing that he's doing something to negate all of that momentum, I think it would be much easier to swallow.
It really wouldn’t, because it would still feel bad from a gameplay perspective
1:21 I dont think that's a hot take XD
I like watching Scotts opinion about a new big game and see if I should buy it or not, pretty helpful
5:05 Sonic Adventure 3 will NEVER happen. Sega’s just saying that to keep the Sonic Fanbase from breaking down.
I think a lot of those points can be fixed in some patches, but only if they actually care enough to fix them, looks like a pretty decent game tho, definitely buying
"fishing mini game" •sonic adventure one flashbacks• NO, GAWD NO!
"When it works, it feels good. But when it doesn't, it's painful"
Basically Sonic Adventure 2, which I played for the first time recently. It was very painful.
You do know you can make his normal movement speed faster in the options menu right?
Those options only work in the open zone. In cyberspace they stay the same no matter what you choose
@@inky3575 the upgrades do work in cyberspace though, the configurations no, but the normal upgrades do
I'm glad this game took the open world approach.
I feel like the only person that actually loves the cyberworld stages. It feels bad at first but once you start to learn how to take advantage of the options you got, you get to absolutely blitz thru stages without slowing down at all and I LOVE the 4 missions per stage that encourage exploration.
The stages have very good design for branching paths and hidden nooks, even the ones that are repeats, and I just love it so much.
Fun fact: the reaosn sonic feels different in cyberspace is because they literally reset your physics settings to default to keep times on an even ground which is dumb
I think it looking ugly as sin sadly is going to turn off a lot of people.